Trump’s New PACs

 

So after winning the nomination Donald Trump has announced that he’s going to form Super PACs with the intention of defeating fellow Republicans Ted Cruz, John Kasich, and a third person, unnamed but widely believed to be Ben Sasse.

This is what I love about Trump. He is what is known as a mensch. You have to admire the mentality of a man who — while running for president — announces an effort to defeat his fellow Republicans because they didn’t support him, and yet says he’s mostly focused on defeating Hillary Clinton.

I for one, applaud Trump for his deeply felt commitment to the Constitution (which he knows better than anybody), to conservatism, (as he is more conservative than anyone), and to the Republican party (from which he intends to purge personally disloyal to him).

What a country.

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  1. Tom Meyer Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens:

    It did not seem to help it the problem. ?

    It was not sufficient to solving the problem as — sadly — our fellow countrymen re-elected President Obama.

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  2. Lily Bart Inactive
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    TKC1101 :

    Richard Fulmer: I wish he’d redirect his firepower. Hillary comes to mind.

    First you cover your rear flank from the long knives before you go at the main enemy. Cruz and Kasich are going to make media trouble the whole campaign , essentially as unpaid Hillary surrogates. Trump can now discredit them attacks by saying it is them covering their own asses.

    Each of the GOPer are the political equivalent of media suicide bombers.

    Politics aint beanbag.

    There is a difference between being tough and being foolish.  Trump won with a plurality, but not a majority of Republican voters.  He doesn’t have the luxury to indulge in this pettiness.   Cruz and Kashich had strong supporters and they’re likely to be harder to win over by this childish indulgence.    Poor Donald, he just can’t help himself.

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  3. Lily Bart Inactive
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    Arahant:

    A-Squared: Would Ivanka run as a Republican or a Democrat?

    Well, how much difference is there this year?

    She could run as either after the Trumps move the party leftward.

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  4. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Tom Meyer:

    Bryan G. Stephens:So what? She still clearly loathes Cruz. One can both loathe someone and endorse them.

    Yes, but it seems a qualitatively different attitude than against Trump. That was my point.

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    And there is post after post Tom, where she went after Cruz very strongly. You have to admit that.

    I don’t think this was ever in doubt.

    You have really, really been very serious here, over what amounted to a joke about reading Mona out of the conservative movement based on her not liking Cruz. I was trying to make the point that someone could be against Cruz and Sasse and still be conservative, but clearly, I missed the mark big time.

    May I now chew off my arm to get away from this failed joke trap?

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  5. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Tom Meyer:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    It did not seem to help it the problem. ?

    It was not sufficient to solving the problem as — sadly — our fellow countrymen re-elected President Obama.

    Yeah. That part sux.

    Thought, I think that Romney ran a lousy campaign and did not attack Obama enough. He was my last choice in that election. As was McCain.

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  6. Tom Meyer Member
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    TKC1101 : Yes, but the Party itself is supposed to enforce discipline to be effective if their objective was to make change.

    Indeed, and they are welcome to do so as they see fit. If their standard is “refuses to endorse Donald Trump,” then I think they need better standards.

    TKC1101 :

    The Tea Party shot the weak. The party needs someone to instill fear into the strong.

    The House Majority Leader was one of the weak?

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  7. Leigh Inactive
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    He really ought to get elected first. After that, if Trump wants to spend money and can come up with candidates who are more solidly and reliably conservative than Cruz, Kasich, or Sasse, he’s more than welcome to make the attempt. (Good luck candidate-shopping.)

    Or is he just #NeverCruz #NeverKasich #NeverSasse?

    Somehow I have a feeling they will all three be just fine, unless they take themselves down in other ways. After all, Texas and Ohio Republicans already made it pretty clear they prefer Cruz and Kasich respectively to Trump.

    Also, I wonder how serious Trump really is.

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  8. Tom Meyer Member
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    Bryan, I appear to have missed a joke, which I now see. Apologies.

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  9. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens:If you re-read what I said, you will see I am not saying that at all.

    Your response to the OP was a presumably sarcastic, “Go Clinton.” How are we to interpret that as anything other than a defense of Trump?

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  10. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Umbra Fractus:

    Bryan G. Stephens:If you re-read what I said, you will see I am not saying that at all.

    Your response to the OP was a presumably sarcastic, “Go Clinton.” How are we to interpret that as anything other than a defense of Trump?

    Based on the several posts and comments I have made pointing out the effect of Trump losing is Clinton winning. You may not have read them.

    The OP was designed to get people not to vote for Trump. Ergo, it helps Clinton win.

    My post was not a defense of Trump, but shorthand commentary that this attack on Trump helps Clinton.

    I hope that helps explain.

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  11. Arahant Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens: May I now chew off my arm to get away from this failed joke trap?

    Why, Bryan, you tell jokes just like I do. I hear @docjay can do a humorectomy and surgically remove your sense of humor so you won’t get yourself in trouble anymore.

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  12. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Shorter Trump: I don’t want the support of conservatives like Ted Cruz or Ben Sasse, but Bernie supporters come on down!

    Better than Clinton my giddy aunt.

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  13. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    Did Trump make his announcement of his plans to subvert Republicans who opposed him because he wants to impose party discipline, as some have said, or because he is vindictive, as others have said?

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  14. Grosseteste Thatcher
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    Bryan G. Stephens: Thought, I think that Romney ran a lousy campaign and did not attack Obama enough. He was my last choice in that election. As was McCain.

    I’ll admit to entertaining the idea of Ron Paul or Newt Gingrich as the nominee, but thought Romney was clearly better than Santorum or Huckabee.  I could see someone preferring those two but thinking Romney was better than Paul or Gingrich.  Thinking all four of those superior to Romney is a position I’m having trouble understanding.

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  15. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Man With the Axe:Did Trump make his announcement of his plans to subvert Republicans who opposed him because he wants to impose party discipline, as some have said, or because he is vindictive, as others have said?

    Does it matter?

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  16. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Umbra Fractus:

    Bryan G. Stephens:If you re-read what I said, you will see I am not saying that at all.

    Your response to the OP was a presumably sarcastic, “Go Clinton.” How are we to interpret that as anything other than a defense of Trump?

    Based on the several posts and comments I have made pointing out the effect of Trump losing is Clinton winning. You may not have read them.

    The OP was designed to get people not to vote for Trump. Ergo, it helps Clinton win.

    My post was not a defense of Trump, but shorthand commentary that this attack on Trump helps Clinton.

    I hope that helps explain.

    So, you’re not defending Trump, you’re just telling those of us who find his actions indefensible to shut up.

    You’ve explained a lot, actually.

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  17. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Richard Fulmer:

    Bryan G. Stephens:Go Clinton!

    How does not wanting the Republican nominee for President to try to defeat Republicans translate into supporting Clinton?

    OH, was this not an attack on Trump, which asked a bunch of questions that seemed focused on trying to depress votes for Trump coming from a known NeverTrumper?

    Maybe.  But it could also be taken as a strong suggestion that Trump start trying to unify the GOP rather than trying to tear it apart.

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  18. TKC1101 Member
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    Tom Meyer: The House Majority Leader was one of the weak?

    If you thought House Leadership was a vision of strength, I wonder.

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  19. Richard Fulmer Inactive
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    BrentB67:

    Man With the Axe:Did Trump make his announcement of his plans to subvert Republicans who opposed him because he wants to impose party discipline, as some have said, or because he is vindictive, as others have said?

    Does it matter?

    I think it does.  Presidents attract a lot of flak – it’s the nature of the job.  Any action they take, or don’t take, is going to make someone unhappy.  And some of those people are going to launch some nasty criticism at him or her – especially in this age of instant, text-before-you-think, messaging.  I think that it would be desirable to have a President who is in enough control of himself to not let such things constantly distract him.

    Moreover, I don’t want a President who will use the power of his office to go after personal enemies.  Trump has already made some noises in this direction.  Yes, Obama did it, but it needs to stop.

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  20. Eugene Kriegsmann Member
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    Does anyone really believe that Trump would part with one nickel to avenge himself on Cruz and Kasich? The man hasn’t put a cent into his own campaign that he hasn’t reimbursed himself for. He loves to talk about all of his money, but he has all of the characteristics that used to ascribed to the Scotch. This is just one more lie from a man who loves to blow his own horn so long as someone else pays for it.

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  21. A-Squared Inactive
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    Eugene Kriegsmann: Does anyone really believe that Trump would part with one nickel to avenge himself on Cruz and Kasich?

    Yes.

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  22. Leigh Inactive
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    Richard Fulmer:

    BrentB67:

    Man With the Axe:Did Trump make his announcement of his plans to subvert Republicans who opposed him because he wants to impose party discipline, as some have said, or because he is vindictive, as others have said?

    Does it matter?

    I think it does. Presidents attract a lot of flak – it’s the nature of the job. Any action they take, or don’t take, is going to make someone unhappy. And some of those people are going to launch some nasty criticism at him or her – especially in this age of instant, text-before-you-think, messaging. I think that it would be desirable to have a President who is in enough control of himself to not let such things constantly distract him.

    Moreover, I don’t want a President who will use the power of his office to go after personal enemies. Trump has already made some noises in this direction. Yes, Obama did it, but it needs to stop.

    Remember him saying that he thought he’d get along great with Paul Ryan — but if not it would be bad for Ryan? That was before Ryan made a question of his endorsement, too. I wanted someone to ask exactly what he meant by that.

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  23. A-Squared Inactive
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    Leigh: Remember him saying that he thought he’d get along great with Paul Ryan — but if not it would be bad for Ryan? That was before Ryan made a question of his endorsement, too. I wanted someone to ask exactly what he meant by that.

    Trump is very easy to get along once you accept that he is right about everything.

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  24. Leigh Inactive
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    A-Squared:

    Leigh: Remember him saying that he thought he’d get along great with Paul Ryan — but if not it would be bad for Ryan? That was before Ryan made a question of his endorsement, too. I wanted someone to ask exactly what he meant by that.

    Trump is very easy to get along once you accept that he is right about everything.

    But Ryan’s politely declining to do that, as you might have noticed. Could make for some interesting times.

    I don’t think Trump will invest any public effort in trying to challenge anyone unless he’s pretty sure he’s going win. When Ryan held off on his endorsement Sarah Palin went all-in for Ryan’s primary challenger, but Trump  steered clear of Nehlen. Considering the things he did say I suspected that was less in the interest of party unity and more because he didn’t need another embarrassing foray into Wisconsin politics.

    An unsuccessful attempt to topple Cruz could be still worse. It could set Cruz up to challenge him for the nomination in 2020.

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  25. Big Green Inactive
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    So a guy, Mr. Trump, that has complained about the deleterious effect of big money, the influence of the rich and powerful and big business on our politics is planning on using his big money and influence to bring down certain politicians?  The irony here is a little much and once again clearly illustrates the insecurity, hypocrisy and pettiness of Mr. Trump.

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  26. Big Green Inactive
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    BrentB67:

    Man With the Axe:Did Trump make his announcement of his plans to subvert Republicans who opposed him because he wants to impose party discipline, as some have said, or because he is vindictive, as others have said?

    Does it matter?

    Yes it does if, by chance, he is interested in more rather than fewer people voting for him.

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  27. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Tom Meyer:

    TKC1101 :The GOP should have done this to McCain and other off the reservation media hounds long ago.

    That’s what the Tea Party movement spent much of the last six years doing and they claimed some rather impressive scalps along the way. Anybody recall Eric Cantor? Dick Lugar? Bob Bennett? Jim Bunning? Charlie Crist?

    For all the missteps and mistakes, it was pretty awesome to see Republican pols get scared of their constituents motivated by a bottom-up, grass-roots movement.

    This is quite different.

    Ummm no its not.

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  28. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Lily Bart: is a difference between being tough and being foolish. Trump won with a plurality, but not a majority of Republican voters. He doesn’t have the luxury to indulge in this pettiness. Cruz and Kashich had strong supporters and they’re likely to be harder to win over by this childish indulgence. Poor Donald, he just can’t help himself.

    Something something mote something something plank.

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  29. Guruforhire Inactive
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    BrentB67:

    Man With the Axe:Did Trump make his announcement of his plans to subvert Republicans who opposed him because he wants to impose party discipline, as some have said, or because he is vindictive, as others have said?

    Does it matter?

    See its party discipline when its Romney, he of the of the proper ruling class, because hair and chin.

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  30. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Guruforhire:

    BrentB67:

    Man With the Axe:Did Trump make his announcement of his plans to subvert Republicans who opposed him because he wants to impose party discipline, as some have said, or because he is vindictive, as others have said?

    Does it matter?

    See its party discipline when its Romney, he of the of the proper ruling class, because hair and chin.

    At what point after his nomination did Mitt Romney advocate purging the party of anyone who had slighted him?

    Please provide links.

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