Trump’s New PACs

 

So after winning the nomination Donald Trump has announced that he’s going to form Super PACs with the intention of defeating fellow Republicans Ted Cruz, John Kasich, and a third person, unnamed but widely believed to be Ben Sasse.

This is what I love about Trump. He is what is known as a mensch. You have to admire the mentality of a man who — while running for president — announces an effort to defeat his fellow Republicans because they didn’t support him, and yet says he’s mostly focused on defeating Hillary Clinton.

I for one, applaud Trump for his deeply felt commitment to the Constitution (which he knows better than anybody), to conservatism, (as he is more conservative than anyone), and to the Republican party (from which he intends to purge personally disloyal to him).

What a country.

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  1. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Jamie Lockett:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Jamie Lockett:Anyone who wants to defeat Ben Sasse and Ted Cruz has no business calling themselves a conservative.

    So if you loath Cruz are you half conservative?

    You loathe Cruz?

    No, Mona does. Just wondering about her conservative creds. I think she adores Sasse though.

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  2. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Richard Fulmer:

    Bryan G. Stephens:Go Clinton!

    How does not wanting the Republican nominee for President to try to defeat Republicans translate into supporting Clinton?

    OH, was this not an attack on Trump, which asked a bunch of questions that seemed focused on trying to depress votes for Trump coming from a known NeverTrumper?

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  3. Franco Member
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    Richard Fulmer:

    TKC1101 :The Democrats vote in lockstep and kill their blue dogs- tough guys.

    GOP plays that game, the horror. The GOP should have done this to McCain and other off the reservation media hounds long ago.

    I wish he’d redirect his firepower. Hillary comes to mind.

    The GOP nominee this year has directed more firepower at the Democratic nominee than any candidate in recent history. McCain, Romney and George the W never attacked their opponents with any kind of passion or confidence. Listening to them campaign, you’d think that it was a cricket match between two worthy challengers who had disagreements about how the Cricket Club was run.

    This second-guessing in light of these facts is rich.

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  4. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Eustace C. Scrubb:
    Richard Fulmer

    We’ve entered bizzaro world. Trump supporters are demanding that #NeverTrumpers support their man, while Trump himself is busily working to destroy whatever unity the Party has left.

    I think we established in another post “#NeverTrump” is an offensive phrase worthy of a trigger warning. The Donald and [redacted] very delicate feelings.

    [Expletive]! It is the NeverTrump crowd who is too emotional (some of them).

    Where on Ricochet are Trump supported “demanding” #NeverTrump crowd supports their man. Make some links to these demands.

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  5. Franco Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Eustace C. Scrubb:
    Richard Fulmer

    We’ve entered bizzaro world. Trump supporters are demanding that #NeverTrumpers support their man, while Trump himself is busily working to destroy whatever unity the Party has left.

    I think we established in another post “#NeverTrump” is an offensive phrase worthy of a trigger warning. The Donald and [redacted] very delicate feelings.

    [Expletive]! It is the NeverTrump crowd who is too emotional (some of them).

    Where on Ricochet are Trump supported “demanding” #NeverTrump crowd supports their man. Make some links to these demands.

    Right on! Let me go on record. NeverTrumpers, vote your conscience! eventually if there enough in your ranks, we might have a Saint President someday! Then America will not only be great, it will be good!

    I’m going back to attending to the dirty, nasty, unholy work of protecting these [redacted] from leftists, using Trump as a weapon. Some china might break. Watch out.

    [Editors’ Note: Personal attacks.]

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  6. Bob Thompson Member
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    TKC1101 :

    Richard Fulmer: I wish he’d redirect his firepower. Hillary comes to mind.

    First you cover your rear flank from the long knives before you go at the main enemy. Cruz and Kasich are going to make media trouble the whole campaign , essentially as unpaid Hillary surrogates. Trump can now discredit them attacks by saying it is them covering their own asses.

    Each of the GOPer are the political equivalent of media suicide bombers.

    Politics aint beanbag.

    Where did you get this?

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  7. Brad2971 Member
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    BrentB67:Is this what they mean by money to burn? I am sure there are a few left wing consulting firms in Austin that will burn tens of millions of Trump’s dollars giving Texas more reason to re-elect Cruz or secede.

    You don’t think either Trump or those “left wing consulting firms in Austin” are beyond the idea of propping up a member of the hated Bush family (in this case, George P) in the service of defeating Ted Cruz in 2018?

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  8. TKC1101 Member
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    Bob Thompson: Where did you get this?

    Some guy named Machiavelli. Italian fella, understood intrigue.

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  9. Bob Thompson Member
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    Franco:The GOP nominee this year has directed more firepower at the Democratic nominee than any candidate in recent history. McCain, Romney and George the W never attacked their opponents with any kind of passion or confidence. Listening to them campaign, you’d think that it was a cricket match between two worthy challengers who had disagreements about how the Cricket Club was run.

    This second-guessing in light of these facts is rich.

    Well, yes. But why shoot at his own? I just cannot see how this approach can possible help him. Anything Sasse, Cruz, Kasich, or any other part of GOP dissent can do has already been tried and hasn’t worked. Trump  has a lot of weak support that he needs for any chance to win, why is he pushing it away?

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  10. Jamie Lockett Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Eustace C. Scrubb:

    Richard Fulmer

    We’ve entered bizzaro world. Trump supporters are demanding that #NeverTrumpers support their man, while Trump himself is busily working to destroy whatever unity the Party has left.

    I think we established in another post “#NeverTrump” is an offensive phrase worthy of a trigger warning. The Donald and his supporters have very delicate feelings.

    Bull! It is the NeverTrump crowd who is too emotional (some of them).

    Where on Ricochet are Trump supported “demanding” #NeverTrump crowd supports their man. Make some links to these demands.

    Uh, everywhere.

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  11. Tom Meyer Member
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    TKC1101 :The GOP should have done this to McCain and other off the reservation media hounds long ago.

    That’s what the Tea Party movement spent much of the last six years doing and they claimed some rather impressive scalps along the way. Anybody recall Eric Cantor? Dick Lugar? Bob Bennett? Jim Bunning? Charlie Crist?

    For all the missteps and mistakes, it was pretty awesome to see Republican pols get scared of their constituents motivated by a bottom-up, grass-roots movement.

    This is quite different.

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  12. Fred Houstan Member
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    Bob Thompson: Trump has a lot of weak support that he needs for any chance to win, why is he pushing it away?

    You can’t build a new Democrat party with these fuddy-duds in the way.

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  13. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Brad2971:

    BrentB67:Is this what they mean by money to burn? I am sure there are a few left wing consulting firms in Austin that will burn tens of millions of Trump’s dollars giving Texas more reason to re-elect Cruz or secede.

    You don’t think either Trump or those “left wing consulting firms in Austin” are beyond the idea of propping up a member of the hated Bush family (in this case, George P) in the service of defeating Ted Cruz in 2018?

    George P? A Bush couldn’t get arrested in Texas right now. George P has been MIA (thank heaven) since being elected.

    I do concede it is a possibility Ted Cruz will see a primary challenger or two. I don’t think Dewhurst will run again, but there may be another moderate willing to try a run from Cruz’s left and we can never rule out a challenge from his right. The problem for the challengers is that unlike Cornyn and Dewhurst Cruz will show up for debates and having attended several of them in 2012 and watched him improve he will do very well.

    His fundraising in Texas this cycle was eye watering. He had a righteous stable of backers and then picked up Perry’s supporters. If even half of them sign up for the 2018 Senate campaign I think it is game over.

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  14. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Tom Meyer:

    TKC1101 :The GOP should have done this to McCain and other off the reservation media hounds long ago.

    That’s what the Tea Party movement spent much of the last six years doing and they claimed some rather impressive scalps along the way. Anybody recall Eric Cantor? Dick Lugar? Bob Bennett? Jim Bunning? Charlie Crist?

    For all the missteps and mistakes, it was pretty awesome to see Republican pols get scared of their constituents motivated by a bottom-up, grass-roots movement.

    This is quite different.

    Best analysis I’ve read.

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  15. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Bob Thompson:

    Franco:The GOP nominee this year has directed more firepower at the Democratic nominee than any candidate in recent history. McCain, Romney and George the W never attacked their opponents with any kind of passion or confidence. Listening to them campaign, you’d think that it was a cricket match between two worthy challengers who had disagreements about how the Cricket Club was run.

    This second-guessing in light of these facts is rich.

    Well, yes. But why shoot at his own? I just cannot see how this approach can possible help him. Anything Sasse, Cruz, Kasich, or any other part of GOP dissent can do has already been tried and hasn’t worked. Trump has a lot of weak support that he needs for any chance to win, why is he pushing it away?

    He’s kidding about Kasich. Kasich is term limited and up against his political charisma ceiling.

    All I know about Sasse is that he is dreamy and don’t know his politics.

    Cruz has no business in the GOP and it may come to pass he isn’t after 2018.

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  16. Tom Meyer Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens:

    No, Mona does.

    She endorsed him, you know.

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  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Tom Meyer:

    TKC1101 :The GOP should have done this to McCain and other off the reservation media hounds long ago.

    That’s what the Tea Party movement spent much of the last six years doing and they claimed some rather impressive scalps along the way. Anybody recall Eric Cantor? Dick Lugar? Bob Bennett? Jim Bunning? Charlie Crist?

    For all the missteps and mistakes, it was pretty awesome to see Republican pols get scared of their constituents motivated by a bottom-up, grass-roots movement.

    This is quite different.

    It did not seem to help it the problem. :(

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  18. A-Squared Inactive
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    Franco:

    A-Squared:

    Franco:Where can I donate? Is there a link?

    What about John McCain and Paul Ryan? Shame on Trump for omitting them!

    McCain and Ryan aren’t conservative enough for Trump to spend his own money to help defeat.

    Then how do explain Kasich?

    Fair point.  Perhaps Trump still thinks of Kasich as a conservative based on his role in the Republican revolution of 94 and will never forgive him for it.

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  19. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Tom Meyer:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    No, Mona does.

    She endorsed him, you know.

    So what? She still clearly loathes Cruz. One can both loathe someone and endorse them.

    And there is post after post Tom, where she went after Cruz very strongly. You have to admit that.

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  20. Nick Stuart Inactive
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    They’ve declared war on him, why should they get a pass?

    Although I agree Trump would be better off concentrating on winning his election first.

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  21. The King Prawn Inactive
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    BrentB67: Cruz has no business in the GOP and it may come to pass he isn’t after 2018.

    Not the GOP we’re seeing now.

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  22. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    Fred Houstan:I almost checked the premise of this conversation in Snopes, but here is a reference: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-07-22/trump-would-fund-super-pacs-aimed-at-taking-down-cruz-kasich-iqybu9m1

    What a petty, little shameful man.

    I heard Trump say this with my own ears.

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  23. Umbra Fractus Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Richard Fulmer:

    Bryan G. Stephens:Go Clinton!

    How does not wanting the Republican nominee for President to try to defeat Republicans translate into supporting Clinton?

    OH, was this not an attack on Trump, which asked a bunch of questions that seemed focused on trying to depress votes for Trump coming from a known NeverTrumper?

    So are you saying that in a Trump vs. Cruz fight, you choose Trump?

    If so please refrain from calling yourself a “conservative” in the future.

    Remember when allegedly being more concerned with beating other Republicans than with beating Democrats was a bad thing? Seems like so long ago.

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  24. Valiuth Member
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    TKC1101 :Today we finish all family business.

    I hear he will move the White House to Vegas when this is over.

    Oh God, so Ivanka is going to die in the third term?

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  25. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Umbra Fractus:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Richard Fulmer:

    Bryan G. Stephens:Go Clinton!

    How does not wanting the Republican nominee for President to try to defeat Republicans translate into supporting Clinton?

    OH, was this not an attack on Trump, which asked a bunch of questions that seemed focused on trying to depress votes for Trump coming from a known NeverTrumper?

    So are you saying that in a Trump vs. Cruz fight, you choose Trump?

    If so please refrain from calling yourself a “conservative” in the future.

    Remember when allegedly being more concerned with beating other Republicans than with beating Democrats was a bad thing? Seems like so long ago.

    If you re-read what I said, you will see I am not saying that at all.

    I was a strong Pro-Cruz guy, and I even did a post celebrating Cruz. I even acknowledged that it might help Clinton. I guess you missed it.

    Best I can tell, the people most concerned about beating other Republicans after the nominee was clear, were the NeverTrumpers.

    The funniest thing is, people just keep assuming that I am in the tank for Trump. I really don’t like him as a man at all. I think he is awful, and I think his presidency is most likely going to be a train wreck. For this resounding endorsement, I get compared to cultists, and I am told I am being conned.

    You might refrain from telling people to stop calling themselves “conservative” in the future. That seems close to a CoC violation to me, as it is an inverse name calling.

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  26. A-Squared Inactive
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    Valiuth:

    TKC1101 :Today we finish all family business.

    I hear he will move the White House to Vegas when this is over.

    Oh God, so Ivanka is going to die in the third term?

    Would Ivanka run as a Republican or a Democrat?

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  27. Arahant Member
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    A-Squared: Would Ivanka run as a Republican or a Democrat?

    Well, how much difference is there this year?

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  28. TKC1101 Member
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    Umbra Fractus:So are you saying that in a Trump vs. Cruz fight, you choose Trump?

    If so please refrain from calling yourself a “conservative” in the future.

    Was just curious about the operating authority on the refraining part.

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  29. Tom Meyer Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens:So what? She still clearly loathes Cruz. One can both loathe someone and endorse them.

    Yes, but it seems a qualitatively different attitude than against Trump. That was my point.

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    And there is post after post Tom, where she went after Cruz very strongly. You have to admit that.

    I don’t think this was ever in doubt.

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  30. TKC1101 Member
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    Tom Meyer: That’s what the Tea Party movement spent much of the last six years doing and they claimed some rather impressive scalps along the way.

    Yes, but the Party itself is supposed to enforce discipline to be effective if their objective was to make change. Now, if their objective was to milk the status quo for donor dollars, then all kinds of off the reservation behavior is fine, since drumming votes for a roll call is not a real key objective.

    The Tea Party shot the weak. The party needs someone to instill fear into the strong.

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