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Donald Trump Indicted by Manhattan Grand Jury
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There is an old saying which goes something like this: Be careful what you wish for; you just might get it.
I have made my opinion clear when this was just a potential indictment. Now that the loons have made the leap the best I can do is quote one of their oiliest, sleaziest “leaders”, Schumer, and observe that they just may reap more whirlwind than they could ever imagine.
Elon Musk said this would assure a Trump Presidency II. I’m inclined to believe that may well be the case.
This is an abject disgrace.
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That’s because it’s 4th down and 89 yards to go and the last 30 seconds of the fourth quarter and the other team has a 60 point lead.
Perhaps what Drew means by “go to war with the army you have” is “Stick with Trump because DeSantis hasn’t officially announced his presidential candidacy yet and might decide not to run.
I think that’s what he meant, but I’m not sure. What’s confusing me is that he might win 2 years from now. Well, yes! The same is true for Trump…. I just don’t get it.
Also, if elections are as rigged as some hint that they are, why bother nominating anyone to be president in 2024, given that the deep state has already made up its mind?
Just wait until 2024! Just wait . . . just wait . . . just wait . . . Just wait until DeSantis runs! Just wait until we take back the Senate! Just wait . . . just wait . . . just wait . . . This is not the hill to die on . . . just wait . . . just wait . . .
I know you are being sarcastic.
But are you suggesting that conservatives should just quit politics, given that all of our elections are rigged in favor of the deep state?
Yes. Why bother nominating anyone until we can fix the fraud? Oh, but the GOP insists there is no fraud. 2020 was the “cleanest most secure election ever!”
So, you are saying we should just throw in the towel? You can’t mean that because you mentioned something about using the army you have. But you also seem to think that our army will inevitably be gunned down by the army of the deep state. If that’s the case, what’s the plan?
I was thinking about this point last night. Why is it significant that Trump paid the woman from his personal account rather than his campaign account? Because, in theory, it means the election was influenced by his doing so, by his “hushing” her. Are the Never Trumpers questioning the 2016 election? But I thought no one was allowed to question elections because doing so would shake the foundations of our republic.
The other thing I couldn’t get out of my head was the congressional hearings on Benghazi in which Hillary famously said, “What difference, at this point, does it make?” In other words, that was water under the dam.
Well, Hillary, in your case, people actually died because of your missteps. Trump hasn’t hurt anyone. Except he just won’t go away fast enough to please the Never Trumpers.
I didn’t vote for Trump or Hillary or Biden in 2016 and 2020. So, I’ll take this question
I have pragmatic reasons for not questioning the results of elections.
If conservatives become convinced that elections are rigged while “progressives” are convinced that elections aren’t rigged, the result is likely to be that conservatives decide to withdraw from politics, realizing that their efforts don’t make a difference given the rigged nature of elections while “progressives” continue to donate and volunteer and vote in elections.
The results is more election victories for the Left, the exact opposite of what conservatives should desire.
That’s why I avoid talk about rigged elections. If someone want to propose a voter ID law to cut down on fraud, that’s cool. But when conservatives take a catastrophic outlook, the result is often less effectiveness among conservatives.
This isn’t a time to jump off of a bridge. We need to get ready for the 2024 election. For pragmatic reasons we should act as though the 2024 election will not be rigged. If it isn’t rigged, we might win.
This is absolutely nuts. “Reject all talk of election rigging, no matter how much Democrats brag about it, because it might cost us the election if we take it seriously.”
What?! That’s absolutely backwards! Republicans must get serious about addressing election rigging.
You’re whistling past the graveyard.
Voter ID is one step, but that doesn’t really matter either if the Dims are allowed to pretty much just print as many ballots as they need, to “win.”
This is why we are where we are. “Republicans” who are okay with Democrats rigging elections because they’re afraid that actual conservative America-first Republicans might get elected. They’d rather lose. And when the unthinkable happens and the GOP takes the House, the “Republicans” in the Senate hamstring them.
The Republican party hates its base. The old guard can’t die off soon enough.
If we start from the perspective that elections are not rigged, we will be motivated to engage in the election process and win some elections.
If we start from the perspective that elections are rigged, we will likely withdraw from politics and “progressives” will win even more frequently than they do currently.
You suggest that Republicans “must get serious about addressing election rigging.” But if a Republican is serious about election rigging, that Republican might decide that voting is a waste of time.
If the deep state is just going to rig the election results, why bother to vote?
Absolutely true if Republicans won’t do a damned thing about it, turn a blind eye to it, shove their heads in the sand, all because they fear the media might call them “election deniers.”
Why bother to vote? Give me a reason to vote by addressing election fraud. Otherwise, it’s a waste of time.
If the deep state has already decided who is going to win and who is going to lose, why would some candidate saying, “If elected, I will propose legislation to crack down on voter fraud,” motivate you to vote?
Wouldn’t it still be a waste of time?
After all, the deep state has already decided who will win the election regardless of whether you vote or not.
Now you are being deliberately dense. But then, it fits your chosen name. Drew actually tells you what he wants to see, and then you argue with him about it. That is not the act of a man in an honest discussion. You are just playing games.
That’s why you can’t “just wait until 2024!” for some great GOP savior to fix things. The Republicans in Congress right now need to be addressing it. The Republicans in statehouses across the country need to be addressing it. But you guys are so worried how it will look if you talk about election fraud. To whom? The media? The Democrats? Why do you care!? Oh my! We just can’t give air to the idea that elections were stolen! That puts us on the same side as those icky Trumpists! Election deniers! Oh, we can’t look like one of them!
Because you really don’t care. As long as it keeps the Bad Orange Man out of office — or anyone who wants to put America first — you’re fine with it.
If one honestly thinks elections are rigged, voting makes no sense.
Someone who says that they are motivated to vote for a candidate is someone who thinks elections are not rigged.
I am pointing out the contradiction he presented.
I think on some states, the supreme court is actually a lower court.
It’s not about his being a victim, it’s about the enemy fearing him as their greatest threat.
You get it!
The thing is, you probably know the election is rigged, too, but you don’t care because you hate the people it’s rigged against. You don’t care if the nation is destroyed as long as one those people never gets elected.
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This only makes sense if you actually believe that nothing is rigged, in which case it is superfluous. This is after-the-decision rationalizing of an existing sub-rational decision.
You don’t believe in election rigging because you do not want to believe, because it is too upsetting to your world-view. And if you never admit it, then you never have to deal with the cognitivie dissonance.
If you believed that elections were being rigged, then your above explication collapses because you already have the result you claim to avoid through your round-the-barn behavior.
True. Thanks.
First, being “rigged” is not a binary thing, so a vote might matter. Second, most people vote despite not being in swing states, so clearly the outcome is not the only reason people vote.
One guy once told me that he thought that the moon landing was faked. I told him that there was no way I could convince him that the moon landing was legit and that I didn’t think it was worth my time to try to convince him that the moon landing was legit.
Some people are mentally imbalanced and there isn’t anything one can do to get them to think rationally.
Where I surmise the industrial strength voter ballot fraud is being committed is with the mail-in ballot.
I can’t prove it, but in my devious mind of always trying to figure out how graft, grift, vice is committed I look at ways one could cheat, break the law, or commit a malfeasance and not get caught.
With some states loose mail-in ballot voting the opportunity for fraud is wide open.
All one really needs a large pool of registered voters names and addresses and then a mail-in ballot is created in that registered voters name, the mail-in ballot is filled out by an agent willing to break the law in the name of ideology, and lastly $.0.63 for a postage stamp per mail-in ballot … and voila the mail-in ballot arrives at the ballot tabulation center and once it is accepted it counts …..
There is no way to prove the fraud once it’s crossed the transom.
There is no reclaiming the fraudulent mail-in ballot out of the pile of other mail-in ballots in the hopper.
There is no way to go back and determine who perpetrated the fraud.
The only way to limit mail-in ballot fraud is to limit the use of the mail in ballot to those with legitimate reasons to require a mail-in ballot.
To compare the two here is nonsense.
The election of JFK was almost certainly due to a rigging of an election. St. Augustine here at Ricochet has more that demonstrated enough irregularities for any rational person to think they at least tried to rig them. Indeed, votes in WI were counted that were ruled in violation of their rules. That is a fact.
So, you prove BDBs point with this comparison. It is more important to protect yourself from the thought of it than to face the facts. I am always fascinated with the denial people have in politics. BDB and I clash on things. And. He is one of the most clear thinking people on this stuff at Ricochet, even when I think he is wrong.