The Democrats Always Win in Overtime

 

In the 1912 Presidential election, Democrat Woodrow Wilson ran against an incumbent Republican President (William Howard Taft) and a former Republican President (Teddy Roosevelt).  With the Republican vote split, Wilson won the Presidency with 42% of the vote.  When he ran for re-election in 1916, his opponent (Republican Charles Evans Hughes) was declared the victor of the race.  Wilson had lost his re-election bid.  But a week after the election, California found some more ballots somewhere, and surprisingly enough, most of them were for Wilson.  So a week after the election, California changed its election results to favor Wilson (by 3,806 votes), which then flipped the Electoral College in favor of Wilson.

In the 2000 Presidential Election, Republican George W. Bush ran against Democrat Al Gore (Gore famously focused his campaign on the theme, ‘strengthening the American family’).  Bush was declared the victor, but Florida was close.  So the recounts began.  And strangely enough, each recount resulted in more votes for Gore.  The media ran story after story about the recounts, wondering how many votes Gore would pick up in this next recount.  Strangely enough, the media never considered the possibility that Bush might gain some votes.  The Supreme Court ended this process before Florida could find enough votes for Gore to win, and Bush was named President.

In the 2020 Presidential Election, Republican incumbent President Donald Trump ran against Joe Biden (seen in the adjacent picture speaking to a roaring crowd, brimming with enthusiasm).  The day after the election, the victor had not yet been decided because several states were still counting ballots for some reason.  Trump was leading in most of them, though, and it appeared that he would win the presidency.  But surprisingly enough, Biden came from behind in just enough of those states to win the Electoral College.

I’m not arguing that Democrats have a history of cheating in elections.  Facebook fact-checked that and found it was not true.  So forget that part.

That’s not my point, anyway.  I’m just considering this history as I think about the recent FBI raid on Donald Trump’s home.

Donald Trump is undoubtedly the most thoroughly investigated citizen in American history.  The FBI has been devoting seemingly limitless resources to various investigations covering various aspects of Trump’s life for at least six years.  Impeachment hearings, congressional hearings, attorneys, accountants, Democrat opposition research, and so on – there is no nook or cranny in Trump’s public or personal life that has not been dissected and studied, over and over again, by lots and lots of people, for years now.

So the idea that this raid will suddenly discover, well, anything, seems exceedingly unlikely.  And I would argue that if they had found anything at all that there would have been leaks to CNN and The New York Times by now.

But that’s not my point, either.

My point is that the longer this goes on, the less likely that whatever crime the Democrats eventually accuse Trump of committing is going to be real.  I mean, come on.  If the FBI announces tomorrow that they found a million-dollar check from North Korea to Donald Trump in his desk during their raid, I will find that extremely difficult to believe.

He’s the most thoroughly investigated citizen in American history.  And now you’re going to find incriminating evidence lying around his house?

Come on.

Just like the recounts in the elections of 1916 and 2000 and 2020 – the longer they went on, the more certain it became that the Democrat would eventually win.  Somehow.  Surprisingly enough.

So we’ll see what the FBI, et al., come up with.  Who knows, I suppose.

But after all these years, and all these investigations, at this point I think they’re much more likely to create something than to discover something.

They almost have to come up with something at some point, or else they’ll look pretty silly after all these investigations over all these years.  After all this, there’s really no way for the FBI and the rest of the Democrats’ troops to just come out and say, “Yeah, you know, we didn’t find anything.  He’s clean.  Forget we ever said anything.  We were wrong.  Sorry about that.”

No way.  So they’ve got to come up with something.  And if they had anything, we would have known years ago.  So at this point, I think the FBI has no other option but to create something.  Anything, really.

Perhaps I’m being too cynical here.

But I’m starting to think that’s impossible…

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  1. Gary Robbins Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    Republicans build houses. Democrats don’t. When they do build something, it’s an ugly crime-ridden dormitory that no one could live in.

    (D) is for Destruction. Destruction of human life, destruction of prosperity, destruction of education, of children’s innocence, of institutions. . . (D) also stands for Devil and Demon.

    And some folks on the Left call us “Repulsivans” and “Reptilians.”  Name calling is not helpful for either party.

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  2. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Of the really close Presidential elections that come to mind, the tally is 3-3:

    • 1876 – Republican

    here’s what Wikipedia says about 1876:

    The results of the election remain among the most disputed ever. Although it is not disputed that Tilden outpolled Hayes in the popular vote, there were wide allegations of electoral fraud, election violence, and other disfranchisement of predominately-Republican Black voters. After a first count of votes, Tilden had won 184 electoral votes to Hayes’s 165, with 20 votes from four states unresolved. In Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina, both parties reported their candidate to have won the state. In Oregon, one elector was replaced after being declared illegal for having been an “elected or appointed official.”[citation needed] The question of who should have been awarded those electoral votes is the source of the continued controversy.

    An informal deal was struck to resolve the votes. This led to the Compromise of 1877. This made the Democrats give all 20 contested electoral votes to Hayes. In return for the Democrats conceding all contested electoral votes, the Republicans agreed to withdraw federal troops from the South and this caused the end of Reconstruction.

     

    That sounds like the Dems stole the election and when caught, conceded at the cost of allowing Jim Crow laws.   Doubly disgusting on the part of the Democrats.   The point of the Bush43 election was the Dems were about to complete a steal, so it is really 5:1 not 3:3.   But why skip 2004?   Most people consider a close election.   So, 5:2?

     

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  3. namlliT noD Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I would not have gone to any rally for any candidate in 2020.  The vaccines weren’t out yet, and folks were dying.  I drove to my mother’s home for Christmas and visited with her for a half hour while we sat in separate cars ten feet away.  I would not have gone to the polls if at all possible.  

    That’s a sweet story.

    But it still leaves an inconsistency between reality and the claim of 81 million votes.

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  4. MarciN Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Which were the ten states?

    This Fox report says nine states; this article lists nine states plus the District of Columbia. From the second article:

    This type of system boosts voter turnout by expanding voting accessibility, especially among Black and brown people, disabled people, rural residents, older people and members of the military.

    Yes, I’m sure it does boost voter participation, of all kinds. :-)

    There’s no reason why the people who fall into those categories can’t request an absentee ballot. 

     

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  5. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    The vertical blue line occurs precisely when the verified votes were finished being counted and the bags of junkmail ballots harvested by Zuckerbuck activists were added.

    In Arizona they call them “Absentee Ballots.” Actually, they are called absentee ballots in most states.

    The existing absentee ballot system was corrupted in ten states supposedly because the pandemic made it impossible for voters to get to the polls. This was a new procedure, and it meant that ballots were sent out to people based on out-of-date voter lists. There were millions of these ballots–just casually sent out as if the presidential election meant nothing at all.

    My own state of Massachusetts did not do that. Our secretary of the commonwealth, a Democrat, wisely stuck to the existing system: a voter needed to request a ballot within a two-month time frame in order to get one. There’s a good reason for that system. Anyone who has ever worked with the state’s voting lists knows how out of date the information is. People move and die at an astonishing rate.

    Secretary Galvin has been in office through six governors. He is highly respected in this state. It’s the most important job in Massachusetts.

    This is a very good comment. It really merits a full post. Which were the ten states? I have been told that in California, people got multiple ballots in the mail. In Arizona, you can sign up for “Absentee Ballots.” You get only one ballot in the mail.

    Thank you for your comment.

    So … how do you insure that any of these mailed absentee ballots that are submitted for counting as a vote, were in fact actually voted by the actual voter to whom they were allegedly sent? Where is the critical proof of a proper ‘chain of custody’?

    I hear you. I think that it is a valid point. I would like to know what California, et. al., did to insure that there weren’t duplicate votes and to verify the identity of the voter.

    Why?  your guy won.  That is all that counts.  

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
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    The vertical blue line occurs precisely when the verified votes were finished being counted and the bags of junkmail ballots harvested by Zuckerbuck activists were added.

    In Arizona they call them “Absentee Ballots.” Actually, they are called absentee ballots in most states.

    The existing absentee ballot system was corrupted in ten states supposedly because the pandemic made it impossible for voters to get to the polls. This was a new procedure, and it meant that ballots were sent out to people based on out-of-date voter lists. There were millions of these ballots–just casually sent out as if the presidential election meant nothing at all.

    My own state of Massachusetts did not do that. Our secretary of the commonwealth, a Democrat, wisely stuck to the existing system: a voter needed to request a ballot within a two-month time frame in order to get one. There’s a good reason for that system. Anyone who has ever worked with the state’s voting lists knows how out of date the information is. People move and die at an astonishing rate.

    Secretary Galvin has been in office through six governors. He is highly respected in this state. It’s the most important job in Massachusetts.

    This is a very good comment. It really merits a full post. Which were the ten states? I have been told that in California, people got multiple ballots in the mail. In Arizona, you can sign up for “Absentee Ballots.” You get only one ballot in the mail.

    Thank you for your comment.

    So … how do you insure that any of these mailed absentee ballots that are submitted for counting as a vote, were in fact actually voted by the actual voter to whom they were allegedly sent? Where is the critical proof of a proper ‘chain of custody’?

    I hear you. I think that it is a valid point. I would like to know what California, et. al., did to insure that there weren’t duplicate votes and to verify the identity of the voter.

    Why? your guy won. That is all that counts.

    I want a clean election that everyone can respect.  The ends do not justify the means.

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  7. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    The vertical blue line occurs precisely when the verified votes were finished being counted and the bags of junkmail ballots harvested by Zuckerbuck activists were added.

    In Arizona they call them “Absentee Ballots.” Actually, they are called absentee ballots in most states.

    The existing absentee ballot system was corrupted in ten states supposedly because the pandemic made it impossible for voters to get to the polls. This was a new procedure, and it meant that ballots were sent out to people based on out-of-date voter lists. There were millions of these ballots–just casually sent out as if the presidential election meant nothing at all.

    My own state of Massachusetts did not do that. Our secretary of the commonwealth, a Democrat, wisely stuck to the existing system: a voter needed to request a ballot within a two-month time frame in order to get one. There’s a good reason for that system. Anyone who has ever worked with the state’s voting lists knows how out of date the information is. People move and die at an astonishing rate.

    Secretary Galvin has been in office through six governors. He is highly respected in this state. It’s the most important job in Massachusetts.

    This is a very good comment. It really merits a full post. Which were the ten states? I have been told that in California, people got multiple ballots in the mail. In Arizona, you can sign up for “Absentee Ballots.” You get only one ballot in the mail.

    Thank you for your comment.

    So … how do you insure that any of these mailed absentee ballots that are submitted for counting as a vote, were in fact actually voted by the actual voter to whom they were allegedly sent? Where is the critical proof of a proper ‘chain of custody’?

    I hear you. I think that it is a valid point. I would like to know what California, et. al., did to insure that there weren’t duplicate votes and to verify the identity of the voter.

    Why? your guy won. That is all that counts.

    I want a clean election that everyone can respect. The ends do not justify the means.

    Sure they do.  That is how politics works.  That is definitely how Democrats work.  You side and vote that way then that is what you are buddy.  

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    I believe that Biden got 81 million votes. […]

    Can you point to any actual enthusiasm for Biden? I sure can’t.

    While there was not a great deal of enthusiasm for Biden, there was a great deal of animosity against Trump in Flagstaff.

    Okay, not a great deal of enthusiasm for Biden.

    But “animosity” does not translate to votes. Was there enough animosity to cause people to put out Biden yard signs or slap on bumper stickers? Was there enough animosity for people to show up at Biden’s single Arizona event on Oct 8?

     

    Doesn’t appear that way.

    While in Goodyear, Arizona, 20 days later:

    Y’see, regardless of how you feel about President Trump, the vote tallies run counter to reality.

    I would not have gone to any rally for any candidate in 2020. The vaccines weren’t out yet, and folks were dying. I drove to my mother’s home for Christmas and visited with her for a half hour while we sat in separate cars ten feet away. I would not have gone to the polls if at all possible.

    How’d that vaccine work out for you?

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    Biden did nothing to recommend himself and rarely campaigned. There are only two reasons he won, they cheated or they are infected with red hot hate.

    I forget, there is a third reason, they created an alternate Trump character through several years of lies, deceptions, and false charges.

    Democrats can’t be fixed, detoxified of their hate, or de-Marxified. I have nothing in common with them. I can’t forgive them for crossing the red line. We are incompatible. Better for all if we peacefully divide up and each side goes its own way. They get the Never Trumpers.

    I honestly am thinking it’s all the result of mass hypnosis of the weak willed and the easily suggestible. (This is excepting the paid shills.) “Close your eyes and go to sleep. Orrrange Mannn Baaad. Now hate!”

    I’m not really joking.

    Neither are scienticians.

    Mass formation.

     

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  10. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    I think the record about the 2020 election in your third paragraph needs to be set straight.

    In the 2020 Presidential Election, Republican incumbent President Donald Trump ran against Joe Biden (seen in the adjacent picture speaking to a roaring crowd, brimming with enthusiasm). Apparently you weren’t aware of a pandemic back in 2020. For better or worse, Biden was hypervigilant. For the first time in memory, Democrats did not canvass (go door to door) prior to the election.

    You are in no position to rewrite paragraphs of the original post with the opposite meaning. That’s so rude. And totally flaggable.

    And Biden was not “hypervigilant”. It’s not that he wasn’t having rallies, it’s that each one of his rallies was an embarrassment, with nobody showing up.

    Trump held rallies outdoors, at airports, and stadiums. There were many independently organized car parades and boat parades for Trump across the country.

    Yet there was no public support of any type for Biden.

    Nobody believes he got 81 million legal votes. And remember, Biden declared that he had put together “the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in the history of American politics.”

    Hi noD,

    I’d like to focus on your final paragraph’s construction.

     

    I believe that Biden got 81 million votes. Do I believe that they were all “legal votes.” Yes and no. If by “legal” votes you mean someone who satisfied “all” of the requirements required of voting, I am sure that there were a few people (a) who had been under civil commitment who voted, or (b) who had turned in their ballots but then died before election day, or (c) who had once been convicted of a felony and had not had their right to vote restored, which would defeat the word “all.” However, while there has been a degree of voter fraud since the beginning of time, I believe that the extent of voter fraud was nominal, and I join in former Attorney General William Barr who opined that the degree of voter fraud would not have changed a single electoral college vote.

    Respectfully submitted,

    Gary

    Hey look!  When reality takes yet another steaming holiday.

    Feignedly yours,

     

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  11. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Of the really close Presidential elections that come to mind, the tally is 3-3:

    • 1876 – Republican

    here’s what Wikipedia says about 1876:

    The results of the election remain among the most disputed ever. Although it is not disputed that Tilden outpolled Hayes in the popular vote, there were wide allegations of electoral fraud, election violence, and other disfranchisement of predominately-Republican Black voters. After a first count of votes, Tilden had won 184 electoral votes to Hayes’s 165, with 20 votes from four states unresolved. In Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina, both parties reported their candidate to have won the state. In Oregon, one elector was replaced after being declared illegal for having been an “elected or appointed official.”[citation needed] The question of who should have been awarded those electoral votes is the source of the continued controversy.

    An informal deal was struck to resolve the votes. This led to the Compromise of 1877. This made the Democrats give all 20 contested electoral votes to Hayes. In return for the Democrats conceding all contested electoral votes, the Republicans agreed to withdraw federal troops from the South and this caused the end of Reconstruction.

     

    That sounds like the Dems stole the election and when caught, conceded at the cost of allowing Jim Crow laws. Doubly disgusting on the part of the Democrats. The point of the Bush43 election was the Dems were about to complete a steal, so it is really 5:1 not 3:3. But why skip 2004? Most people consider a close election. So, 5:2?

     

    You may have a point about 2004.  It was pretty close in the electoral vote count.  That would make the tally 4-3 in “overtime,” in favor of the Republicans.

    The claim of the post title is that the Democrats always win in “overtime,” which I took to mean in a close election, perhaps particularly one in which there is a significant question about the winner persisting for at least some time after the election.

    Your count rules out several of the times that the Republicans won in “overtime.”  The only purpose to doing this, as far as I can tell, is to ignore the evidence that disproves the claim that the Democrats “always win in overtime.”  This, I guess, allows one to persist in a sort of paranoia.

    This possible paranoia that I identify isn’t concern about wrongful conduct during elections, which is a valid concern.  The paranoia is the belief that such wrongful conduct always succeeds, which is disproven by the examples that I cited.  It may succeed sometimes, which is bad.

    My own view is that skullduggery by the Democrats gave them victories in the elections of 1960 and 2020.

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    The vertical blue line occurs precisely when the verified votes were finished being counted and the bags of junkmail ballots harvested by Zuckerbuck activists were added.

    In Arizona they call them “Absentee Ballots.” Actually, they are called absentee ballots in most states.

    The existing absentee ballot system was corrupted in ten states supposedly because the pandemic made it impossible for voters to get to the polls. This was a new procedure, and it meant that ballots were sent out to people based on out-of-date voter lists. There were millions of these ballots–just casually sent out as if the presidential election meant nothing at all.

    My own state of Massachusetts did not do that. Our secretary of the commonwealth, a Democrat, wisely stuck to the existing system: a voter needed to request a ballot within a two-month time frame in order to get one. There’s a good reason for that system. Anyone who has ever worked with the state’s voting lists knows how out of date the information is. People move and die at an astonishing rate.

    Secretary Galvin has been in office through six governors. He is highly respected in this state. It’s the most important job in Massachusetts.

    This is a very good comment. It really merits a full post. Which were the ten states? I have been told that in California, people got multiple ballots in the mail. In Arizona, you can sign up for “Absentee Ballots.” You get only one ballot in the mail.

    Thank you for your comment.

    So … how do you insure that any of these mailed absentee ballots that are submitted for counting as a vote, were in fact actually voted by the actual voter to whom they were allegedly sent? Where is the critical proof of a proper ‘chain of custody’?

    I hear you. I think that it is a valid point. I would like to know what California, et. al., did to insure that there weren’t duplicate votes and to verify the identity of the voter.

    Why? your guy won. That is all that counts.

    I want a clean election that everyone can respect. The ends do not justify the means.

    Sure they do. That is how politics works. That is definitely how Democrats work. You side and vote that way then that is what you are buddy.

    That may be how some Democrats work.  But I am a Republican and that is not how I work.  

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  13. Gary Robbins Member
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    I believe that Biden got 81 million votes. […]

    Can you point to any actual enthusiasm for Biden? I sure can’t.

    While there was not a great deal of enthusiasm for Biden, there was a great deal of animosity against Trump in Flagstaff.

    Okay, not a great deal of enthusiasm for Biden.

    But “animosity” does not translate to votes. Was there enough animosity to cause people to put out Biden yard signs or slap on bumper stickers? Was there enough animosity for people to show up at Biden’s single Arizona event on Oct 8?

     

    Doesn’t appear that way.

    While in Goodyear, Arizona, 20 days later:

    Y’see, regardless of how you feel about President Trump, the vote tallies run counter to reality.

    I would not have gone to any rally for any candidate in 2020. The vaccines weren’t out yet, and folks were dying. I drove to my mother’s home for Christmas and visited with her for a half hour while we sat in separate cars ten feet away. I would not have gone to the polls if at all possible.

    How’d that vaccine work out for you?

    I like it.  I had Delta and I didn’t hit me hard at all.  Thank goodness.

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  14. Gary Robbins Member
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    Biden did nothing to recommend himself and rarely campaigned. There are only two reasons he won, they cheated or they are infected with red hot hate.

    I forget, there is a third reason, they created an alternate Trump character through several years of lies, deceptions, and false charges.

    Democrats can’t be fixed, detoxified of their hate, or de-Marxified. I have nothing in common with them. I can’t forgive them for crossing the red line. We are incompatible. Better for all if we peacefully divide up and each side goes its own way. They get the Never Trumpers.

    I honestly am thinking it’s all the result of mass hypnosis of the weak willed and the easily suggestible. (This is excepting the paid shills.) “Close your eyes and go to sleep. Orrrange Mannn Baaad. Now hate!”

    I’m not really joking.

    Neither are scienticians.

    Mass formation.

    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.  

    I think that in twenty to fifty years we might be able to look at this dispassionately, but now is likely far too early.

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  15. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

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    Of the really close Presidential elections that come to mind, the tally is 3-3:

    • 1876 – Republican

    here’s what Wikipedia says about 1876:

    The results of the election remain among the most disputed ever. Although it is not disputed that Tilden outpolled Hayes in the popular vote, there were wide allegations of electoral fraud, election violence, and other disfranchisement of predominately-Republican Black voters. After a first count of votes, Tilden had won 184 electoral votes to Hayes’s 165, with 20 votes from four states unresolved. In Florida, Louisiana, and South Carolina, both parties reported their candidate to have won the state. In Oregon, one elector was replaced after being declared illegal for having been an “elected or appointed official.”[citation needed] The question of who should have been awarded those electoral votes is the source of the continued controversy.

    An informal deal was struck to resolve the votes. This led to the Compromise of 1877. This made the Democrats give all 20 contested electoral votes to Hayes. In return for the Democrats conceding all contested electoral votes, the Republicans agreed to withdraw federal troops from the South and this caused the end of Reconstruction.

    That sounds like the Dems stole the election and when caught, conceded at the cost of allowing Jim Crow laws. Doubly disgusting on the part of the Democrats. The point of the Bush43 election was the Dems were about to complete a steal, so it is really 5:1 not 3:3. But why skip 2004? Most people consider a close election. So, 5:2?

    You may have a point about 2004. It was pretty close in the electoral vote count. That would make the tally 4-3 in “overtime,” in favor of the Republicans.

    The claim of the post title is that the Democrats always win in “overtime,” which I took to mean in a close election, perhaps particularly one in which there is a significant question about the winner persisting for at least some time after the election.

    Your count rules out several of the times that the Republicans won in “overtime.” The only purpose to doing this, as far as I can tell, is to ignore the evidence that disproves the claim that the Democrats “always win in overtime.” This, I guess, allows one to persist in a sort of paranoia.

    This possible paranoia that I identify isn’t concern about wrongful conduct during elections, which is a valid concern. The paranoia is the belief that such wrongful conduct always succeeds, which is disproven by the examples that I cited. It may succeed sometimes, which is bad.

    My own view is that skullduggery by the Democrats gave them victories in the elections of 1960 and 2020.

    Illegal and unethical skullduggery in 1960 in Texas and Illinois.

    Legal and ethical skullduggery (using the rules as impacted by COVID-19) in 2020.  (Note, despite the Democrat skullduggery in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin where Trump lost, members of the legislatures remained GOP, due to that small but significant number of Republicans who refused to vote for Trump, but voted Republican down the line.)

     

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.  

    Yep.  A few patriotic holdouts still believe in the idea of America. 

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  17. Gary Robbins Member
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    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.

    Yep. A few patriotic holdouts still believe in the idea of America.

    I deeply believe in the idea of America.  That is why I am a NeverTrumper.

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.

    Yep. A few patriotic holdouts still believe in the idea of America.

    I deeply believe in the idea of America. That is why I am a NeverTrumper.

    Try this exercise:  put on your lawyer hat and reflect on “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”.    Perhaps you will have an epiphany. 

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  19. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Biden did nothing to recommend himself and rarely campaigned. There are only two reasons he won, they cheated or they are infected with red hot hate.

    I forget, there is a third reason, they created an alternate Trump character through several years of lies, deceptions, and false charges.

    Democrats can’t be fixed, detoxified of their hate, or de-Marxified. I have nothing in common with them. I can’t forgive them for crossing the red line. We are incompatible. Better for all if we peacefully divide up and each side goes its own way. They get the Never Trumpers.

    I honestly am thinking it’s all the result of mass hypnosis of the weak willed and the easily suggestible. (This is excepting the paid shills.) “Close your eyes and go to sleep. Orrrange Mannn Baaad. Now hate!”

    I’m not really joking.

    Neither are scienticians.

    Mass formation.

    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.

    I think that in twenty to fifty years we might be able to look at this dispassionately, but now is likely far too early.

    You mean just like you did in appraising President Trump? You are incapable of dispassionate political leanings.

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  20. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.

    Yep. A few patriotic holdouts still believe in the idea of America.

    I deeply believe in the idea of America. That is why I am a NeverTrumper.

    Try this exercise: put on your lawyer hat and reflect on “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”. Perhaps you will have an epiphany.

    Absolutely.  And “that they are endowed by certain [Edit] unalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

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  21. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.

    Yep. A few patriotic holdouts still believe in the idea of America.

    I deeply believe in the idea of America. That is why I am a NeverTrumper.

    Try this exercise: put on your lawyer hat and reflect on “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”. Perhaps you will have an epiphany.

    Absolutely. And “that they are endowed by certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    “unalienable”

     

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  22. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Scam)
    @DonG

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I deeply believe in the idea of America. That is why I am a NeverTrumper.

    Try this exercise: put on your lawyer hat and reflect on “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”. Perhaps you will have an epiphany.

    Absolutely.  And “that they are endowed by certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    I guess the lawyer hat gives a safe and meaningless response.  I’ll tell you what should come from a reflection.  You recognized the line, which is a good start.   The Declaration of Independence defines the idea of America.  The “created equal” line is at the beginning, because it is really, really important.  The “created equal” line has two meanings, as Christians it is a comment on our relationship to God and our fellow man.  As lawmakers, it means that everyone is equal in the eyes of the law.   Are you following?   The idea of America is that we are all to be treated equally by the law and the law may not infringe on our God-given rights.  Still with me?

    Now, reflect on the idea of America (equal treatment of the law and freedoms above law) and the events we have seen from our Democrat rulers the last 6 years.   Is there a light bulb moment yet? 

     

     

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.

    Yep. A few patriotic holdouts still believe in the idea of America.

    I deeply believe in the idea of America. That is why I am a NeverTrumper.

    Try this exercise: put on your lawyer hat and reflect on “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”. Perhaps you will have an epiphany.

    Absolutely. And “that they are endowed by certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    “unalienable”

    Thanks.

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  24. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.

    Yep. A few patriotic holdouts still believe in the idea of America.

    I deeply believe in the idea of America. That is why I am a NeverTrumper.

    Try this exercise: put on your lawyer hat and reflect on “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”. Perhaps you will have an epiphany.

    Absolutely. And “that they are endowed by certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    “unalienable”

    Inalienable!

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  25. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Flicker (View Comment):

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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.

    Yep. A few patriotic holdouts still believe in the idea of America.

    I deeply believe in the idea of America. That is why I am a NeverTrumper.

    Try this exercise: put on your lawyer hat and reflect on “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”. Perhaps you will have an epiphany.

    Absolutely. And “that they are endowed by certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    “unalienable”

    Inalienable!

    Just going by the text.

     

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  26. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Here I thought you two were reenacting the argument between Jefferson and Adams in the movie musical 1776.

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  27. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Here I thought you two were reenacting the argument between Jefferson and Adams in the movie musical 1776.

    I was not sure enough to follow through. Let me make it up:

    I’ll talk to the printers.

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  28. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.

    Yep. A few patriotic holdouts still believe in the idea of America.

    I deeply believe in the idea of America. That is why I am a NeverTrumper.

    Try this exercise: put on your lawyer hat and reflect on “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”. Perhaps you will have an epiphany.

    Absolutely. And “that they are endowed by certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    “unalienable”

    Inalienable!

    Just going by the text.

    Just going by 1776.

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  29. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I would not have said this originally out of respect, but now that you raise the issue, I think that many of my Republican friends suffer from this type of mass psychosis.

    Yep. A few patriotic holdouts still believe in the idea of America.

    I deeply believe in the idea of America. That is why I am a NeverTrumper.

    Try this exercise: put on your lawyer hat and reflect on “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”. Perhaps you will have an epiphany.

    Absolutely. And “that they are endowed by certain inalienable rights, among which are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    “unalienable”

    Inalienable!

    Just going by the text.

    Just going by 1776.

    I’ll have a word with the printers..

     

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  30. Chowderhead Coolidge
    Chowderhead
    @Podunk

    C’mon doc. The dems are trying to change. That’s why we have a flood of illegals. With all these future democratic voters there won’t be a need to steal elections. 

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