The Democrats Always Win in Overtime

 

In the 1912 Presidential election, Democrat Woodrow Wilson ran against an incumbent Republican President (William Howard Taft) and a former Republican President (Teddy Roosevelt).  With the Republican vote split, Wilson won the Presidency with 42% of the vote.  When he ran for re-election in 1916, his opponent (Republican Charles Evans Hughes) was declared the victor of the race.  Wilson had lost his re-election bid.  But a week after the election, California found some more ballots somewhere, and surprisingly enough, most of them were for Wilson.  So a week after the election, California changed its election results to favor Wilson (by 3,806 votes), which then flipped the Electoral College in favor of Wilson.

In the 2000 Presidential Election, Republican George W. Bush ran against Democrat Al Gore (Gore famously focused his campaign on the theme, ‘strengthening the American family’).  Bush was declared the victor, but Florida was close.  So the recounts began.  And strangely enough, each recount resulted in more votes for Gore.  The media ran story after story about the recounts, wondering how many votes Gore would pick up in this next recount.  Strangely enough, the media never considered the possibility that Bush might gain some votes.  The Supreme Court ended this process before Florida could find enough votes for Gore to win, and Bush was named President.

In the 2020 Presidential Election, Republican incumbent President Donald Trump ran against Joe Biden (seen in the adjacent picture speaking to a roaring crowd, brimming with enthusiasm).  The day after the election, the victor had not yet been decided because several states were still counting ballots for some reason.  Trump was leading in most of them, though, and it appeared that he would win the presidency.  But surprisingly enough, Biden came from behind in just enough of those states to win the Electoral College.

I’m not arguing that Democrats have a history of cheating in elections.  Facebook fact-checked that and found it was not true.  So forget that part.

That’s not my point, anyway.  I’m just considering this history as I think about the recent FBI raid on Donald Trump’s home.

Donald Trump is undoubtedly the most thoroughly investigated citizen in American history.  The FBI has been devoting seemingly limitless resources to various investigations covering various aspects of Trump’s life for at least six years.  Impeachment hearings, congressional hearings, attorneys, accountants, Democrat opposition research, and so on – there is no nook or cranny in Trump’s public or personal life that has not been dissected and studied, over and over again, by lots and lots of people, for years now.

So the idea that this raid will suddenly discover, well, anything, seems exceedingly unlikely.  And I would argue that if they had found anything at all that there would have been leaks to CNN and The New York Times by now.

But that’s not my point, either.

My point is that the longer this goes on, the less likely that whatever crime the Democrats eventually accuse Trump of committing is going to be real.  I mean, come on.  If the FBI announces tomorrow that they found a million-dollar check from North Korea to Donald Trump in his desk during their raid, I will find that extremely difficult to believe.

He’s the most thoroughly investigated citizen in American history.  And now you’re going to find incriminating evidence lying around his house?

Come on.

Just like the recounts in the elections of 1916 and 2000 and 2020 – the longer they went on, the more certain it became that the Democrat would eventually win.  Somehow.  Surprisingly enough.

So we’ll see what the FBI, et al., come up with.  Who knows, I suppose.

But after all these years, and all these investigations, at this point I think they’re much more likely to create something than to discover something.

They almost have to come up with something at some point, or else they’ll look pretty silly after all these investigations over all these years.  After all this, there’s really no way for the FBI and the rest of the Democrats’ troops to just come out and say, “Yeah, you know, we didn’t find anything.  He’s clean.  Forget we ever said anything.  We were wrong.  Sorry about that.”

No way.  So they’ve got to come up with something.  And if they had anything, we would have known years ago.  So at this point, I think the FBI has no other option but to create something.  Anything, really.

Perhaps I’m being too cynical here.

But I’m starting to think that’s impossible…

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  1. Gary Robbins Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    The vertical blue line occurs precisely when the verified votes were finished being counted and the bags of junkmail ballots harvested by Zuckerbuck activists were added.

    In Arizona they call them “Absentee Ballots.”  Actually, they are called absentee ballots in most states.

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

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    Perhaps in your community of friends and associates, few people and no Republicans voted for Biden. This reminds me of New York Times Film Critic Pauline Kael who famously said […]

    Actually the opposite. I live in a heavily, heavily democrat city. And yet I saw less than a handful of Biden yard signs or bumperstickers.

    When Obama ran, the place was plastered with Shepard Fairey HOPE posters, rising O logos, and “Yes we did” emblems.

    I believe that Biden got 81 million votes. […]

    Can you point to any actual enthusiasm for Biden? I sure can’t.

    While there was not a great deal of enthusiasm for Biden, there was a great deal of animosity against Trump in Flagstaff.  

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  3. MarciN Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    The vertical blue line occurs precisely when the verified votes were finished being counted and the bags of junkmail ballots harvested by Zuckerbuck activists were added.

    In Arizona they call them “Absentee Ballots.” Actually, they are called absentee ballots in most states.

    The existing absentee ballot system was corrupted in ten states supposedly because the pandemic made it impossible for voters to get to the polls. This was a new procedure, and it meant that ballots were sent out to people based on out-of-date voter lists. There were millions of these ballots–just casually sent out as if the presidential election meant nothing at all.

    My own state of Massachusetts did not do that. Our secretary of the commonwealth, a Democrat, wisely stuck to the existing system: a voter needed to request a ballot within a two-month time frame in order to get one. There’s a good reason for that system. Anyone who has ever worked with the state’s voting lists knows how out of date the information is. People move and die at an astonishing rate.

    Secretary Galvin has been in office through six governors. He is highly respected in this state. It’s the most important job in Massachusetts.

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  4. Bishop Wash Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Perhaps in your community of friends and associates, few people and no Republicans voted for Biden. This reminds me of New York Times Film Critic Pauline Kael who famously said […]

    Actually the opposite. I live in a heavily, heavily democrat city. And yet I saw less than a handful of Biden yard signs or bumperstickers.

    When Obama ran, the place was plastered with Shepard Fairey HOPE posters, rising O logos, and “Yes we did” emblems.

    I believe that Biden got 81 million votes. […]

    Can you point to any actual enthusiasm for Biden? I sure can’t.

    While there was not a great deal of enthusiasm for Biden, there was a great deal of animosity against Trump in Flagstaff.

    Was it the peace or the prosperity they hated? Or both? I miss both.

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    The vertical blue line occurs precisely when the verified votes were finished being counted and the bags of junkmail ballots harvested by Zuckerbuck activists were added.

    In Arizona they call them “Absentee Ballots.” Actually, they are called absentee ballots in most states.

    The existing absentee ballot system was corrupted in ten states supposedly because the pandemic made it impossible for voters to get to the polls. This was a new procedure, and it meant that ballots were sent out to people based on out-of-date voter lists. There were millions of these ballots–just casually sent out as if the presidential election meant nothing at all.

    My own state of Massachusetts did not do that. Our secretary of the commonwealth, a Democrat, wisely stuck to the existing system: a voter needed to request a ballot within a two-month time frame in order to get one. There’s a good reason for that system. Anyone who has ever worked with the state’s voting lists knows how out of date the information is. People move and die at an astonishing rate.

    Secretary Galvin has been in office through six governors. He is highly respected in this state. It’s the most important job in Massachusetts.

    This is a very good comment.  It really merits a full post.  Which were the ten states?  I have been told that in California, people got multiple ballots in the mail.  In Arizona, you can sign up for “Absentee Ballots.”  You get only one ballot in the mail.  

    Thank you for your comment.  

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  6. Columbo Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Columbo (View Comment):

    The vertical blue line occurs precisely when the verified votes were finished being counted and the bags of junkmail ballots harvested by Zuckerbuck activists were added.

    In Arizona they call them “Absentee Ballots.” Actually, they are called absentee ballots in most states.

    The existing absentee ballot system was corrupted in ten states supposedly because the pandemic made it impossible for voters to get to the polls. This was a new procedure, and it meant that ballots were sent out to people based on out-of-date voter lists. There were millions of these ballots–just casually sent out as if the presidential election meant nothing at all.

    My own state of Massachusetts did not do that. Our secretary of the commonwealth, a Democrat, wisely stuck to the existing system: a voter needed to request a ballot within a two-month time frame in order to get one. There’s a good reason for that system. Anyone who has ever worked with the state’s voting lists knows how out of date the information is. People move and die at an astonishing rate.

    Secretary Galvin has been in office through six governors. He is highly respected in this state. It’s the most important job in Massachusetts.

    This is a very good comment. It really merits a full post. Which were the ten states? I have been told that in California, people got multiple ballots in the mail. In Arizona, you can sign up for “Absentee Ballots.” You get only one ballot in the mail.

    Thank you for your comment.

    So … how do you insure that any of these mailed absentee ballots that are submitted for counting as a vote, were in fact actually voted by the actual voter to whom they were allegedly sent? Where is the critical proof of a proper ‘chain of custody’?

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  7. I Walton Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):
    The book didn’t explain how it was determined, but anyone displaying interest in being President was removed from the pool.

    No one who wants political power should be allowed to seek elected office.

    Sort of Buckley’s take.  Random selection he, quite rightly, insisted was a better way.  He was joking but died too soon to see it all unfold.  “Unfold”? or is the word disintegrate.

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  8. MarciN Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):
    So … how do you insure that any of these mailed absentee ballots that are submitted for counting as a vote, were in fact actually voted by the actual voter to whom they were allegedly sent? Where is the critical proof of a proper ‘chain of custody’?

    I believe they compare signatures. It is an involved process. It used to be that the absentee ballot had to be requested in person. I believe that has changed even in Massachusetts this year. We have an annual census that acts as a double-check on the voter lists. If voters don’t return their census, their names are removed from the voter lists.

    It’s an honor system, really. But there are a few stops in place.

    I don’t have a solution to creating an audit trail. It’s a really tough problem with preserving the private secret voting system. (I’ve always thought men were really cool in that they voted to give women the vote and no one would ever have known if they hadn’t. Thanks, guys.)

    But I would do three things:

    I would insist on in-person voter registration every three years.

    For absentee ballots, some sort of notification to the voter that the ballot was opened and the vote recorded. (And who knows if those are changed upon opening? I suppose they would have to be opened in front of Democrat and Republican witnesses.)

    Get rid of the hackable online, Bluetooth- or WiFi- or your local Internet server-enabled vote transmission systems across the board.

    Other than that, I’d ask Secretary Galvin. I trust him implicitly. :-)

    He has been fair to both Republicans and Democrats, and he’s the one guy in the state everyone admires unanimously.

    We had a moment when the Massachusetts Election Commission decided that if any descenders on the letters of a person’s signature went below the signature box on petitions, those names would be disqualified. Both parties said, “You’re out of your mind!” to the Election Commission. They replied with stone-faced silence. Then the Republicans and Democrats took their case to Secretary Galvin. He threw out the rule. Yay for the red-and-blue team. Once in a while, we can succeed together. :-)

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  9. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):
    The existing absentee ballot system was corrupted in ten states supposedly because the pandemic made it impossible for voters to get to the polls. This was a new procedure, and it meant that ballots were sent out to people based on out-of-date voter lists. There were millions of these ballots–just casually sent out as if the presidential election meant nothing at all.

    Exactly. Under the Motor Voter Law that sucker-Republicans passed in 1993, states were obligated to keep their voter lists up-to-date (the Republican “compromise”) as part of the deal to mandate registration at the MVA (what Democrats wanted.) Blue states have fought tooth and nail against cleaning up voter registration lists (“Vote suppression”) and as a result, blue state voter lists can be up to 30 years out of date. These lists were the basis of the mass mail ballots, which resulted in some addresses getting multiple ballots, ballots being mailed to people who were dead or no longer in the states where they were registered.

    Add to this the Zuckerbucks-paid activists who went around harvesting as many votes as they could get their hands on; and in many blue jurisdictions, being allowed to “cure” otherwise ineligible ballots. (“Here, let me fill that out for you sir, and I’ll sign the documents that attests that you filled it out yourself.”) It’s notable that the majority of Zuckerberg’s half-billion dollar election purchase went to blue urban areas in swing states: Atlanta, Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia…

    And finally, there was the complete removal of ballot verification mechanisms. Signature validation was taken off the table in many jurisdictions, including the state of Georgia. And what verification that did occur was often just against the faulty registration lists. States like California and Washington make no effort to verify that people who sign up on the Democrats copious “voter registration drives” are actually eligible to vote.  It’s basically an honor system run by people who have no honor.

    The whole system was ripe for fraud. One would be a fool to think it wasn’t taken advantage of.

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  10. Columbo Inactive
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    MarciN (View Comment):

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    So … how do you insure that any of these mailed absentee ballots that are submitted for counting as a vote, were in fact actually voted by the actual voter to whom they were allegedly sent? Where is the critical proof of a proper ‘chain of custody’?

    I believe they compare signatures. It is an involved process. It used to be that the absentee ballot had to be requested in person. I believe that has changed even in Massachusetts this year. We have an annual census that acts as a double-check on the voter lists. If voters don’t return their census, their names are removed from the voter lists.

    It’s an honor system, really. But there are a few stops in place.

    I don’t have a solution to creating an audit trail. It’s a really tough problem with preserving the private anonymous voting system. (I’ve always thought men were really cool in that they voted to give women the vote and no one would ever have known if they hadn’t. Thanks, guys.)

    But I would do three things:

    I would insist on in-person voter registration every three years.

    For absentee ballots, some sort of notification to the voter that the ballot was opened (And who knows if those are changed upon opening? I suppose they would have to be opened in front of Democrat and Republican witnesses.)

    Get rid of the hackable online, Bluetooth- or WiFi- or your local Internet server-enabled vote transmission systems across the board.

    Other than that, I’d ask Secretary Galvin. I trust him implicitly. :-)

    He has been fair to both Republicans and Democrats, and he’s the one guy in the state everyone admires unanimously.

    We had a moment when the Massachusetts Election Commission decided that if any descenders on the letters of a person’s signature went below the signature line on petitions, those names would be disqualified. Both parties said, “You’re out of your mind!” to the Election Commission. They replied with stone-faced silence. Then the Republicans and Democrats took their case to Secretary Galvin. He threw out the rule. Yay for the red-and-blue team. Once in a while, we can succeed together. :-)

    Question – do they compare these signatures at 3am in the morning when these votes are tabulated and then sent to the counting authorities and media networks? And do they use handwriting experts to compare signatures? And is there any double-check to verify that such voter has not already voted?

     

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  11. MarciN Member
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    There are also some other longstanding problems that favor Democrats. Colleges are almost always blue, they are aggressive in getting students to vote, and most of those kids don’t live in those states. It came up during 43’s first or second election. I believe New Hampshire has straightened this out, but I wouldn’t put it past the colleges in other states to not kick a gift horse in the mouth. :-)

    I’d like to blame the high schools and parents for this except when my middle child went to the University of Vermont, she called me excitedly to say that she had voted. “In Burlington?” I asked. My own daughter! :-)

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  12. MarciN Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    So … how do you insure that any of these mailed absentee ballots that are submitted for counting as a vote, were in fact actually voted by the actual voter to whom they were allegedly sent? Where is the critical proof of a proper ‘chain of custody’?

    I believe they compare signatures. It is an involved process. It used to be that the absentee ballot had to be requested in person. I believe that has changed even in Massachusetts this year. We have an annual census that acts as a double-check on the voter lists. If voters don’t return their census, their names are removed from the voter lists.

    It’s an honor system, really. But there are a few stops in place.

    I don’t have a solution to creating an audit trail. It’s a really tough problem with preserving the private anonymous voting system. (I’ve always thought men were really cool in that they voted to give women the vote and no one would ever have known if they hadn’t. Thanks, guys.)

    But I would do three things:

    I would insist on in-person voter registration every three years.

    For absentee ballots, some sort of notification to the voter that the ballot was opened (And who knows if those are changed upon opening? I suppose they would have to be opened in front of Democrat and Republican witnesses.)

    Get rid of the hackable online, Bluetooth- or WiFi- or your local Internet server-enabled vote transmission systems across the board.

    Other than that, I’d ask Secretary Galvin. I trust him implicitly. :-)

    He has been fair to both Republicans and Democrats, and he’s the one guy in the state everyone admires unanimously.

    We had a moment when the Massachusetts Election Commission decided that if any descenders on the letters of a person’s signature went below the signature line on petitions, those names would be disqualified. Both parties said, “You’re out of your mind!” to the Election Commission. They replied with stone-faced silence. Then the Republicans and Democrats took their case to Secretary Galvin. He threw out the rule. Yay for the red-and-blue team. Once in a while, we can succeed together. :-)

    Question – do they compare these signatures at 3am in the morning when these votes are tabulated and then sent to the counting authorities and media networks? And do they use handwriting experts to compare signatures? And is there any double-check to verify that such voter has not already voted?

     

    I don’t know. @Rushbabe did the signature comparisons for Oregon. She would know. I don’t know how they do it here. If they used an electronic verification, that would be really sloppy. Too much wriggle room between a true handwritten signature and an electronic version. 

    But I never participated in that part of the process. I don’t know. 

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  13. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    The Left / Democrats are fighting Raciest, White Supremacist, Fascists, Homophobes, Misogynist, Nazi.  Of course they will win.  When you are fighting that type of evil nothing you do goes far enough to stop such evil.

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  14. MarciN Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The Left / Democrats are fighting Raciest, White Supremacist, Fascists, Homophobes, Misogynist, Nazi. Of course they will win. When you are fighting that type of evil nothing you do goes far enough to stop such evil.

    If I were in charge of the Republicans, I would start the next presidential campaign by running off a copy of the Democratic Party’s 2020 platform. I would simply edit it to make it clear that the Democrats are killing people, which they are. 

    It’s time to fight fire with fire. 

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  15. BastiatJunior Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    Remember when the dems forced Lautenberg to replace Torricelli for the Senate race in 2002?

    Remember when the DOJ made up a crime and prosecuted Sen. Ted Stevens days before his re-election in 2008? Stevens was convicted, but never sentenced since the prosecutors hid so much exculpatory evidence. The Dem won and we got stuck with Obama-care. Later the prosecutors were punished, but not as much as us taxpayers.

    Mueller ran that investigation.

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  16. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    Remember when the dems forced Lautenberg to replace Torricelli for the Senate race in 2002?

    Remember when the DOJ made up a crime and prosecuted Sen. Ted Stevens days before his re-election in 2008? Stevens was convicted, but never sentenced since the prosecutors hid so much exculpatory evidence. The Dem won and we got stuck with Obama-care. Later the prosecutors were punished, but not as much as us taxpayers.

    Mueller ran that investigation.

    Mueller is a Republican, of course.  So it must be valid.

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  17. BastiatJunior Member
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    BastiatJunior (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Scam) (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    Remember when the dems forced Lautenberg to replace Torricelli for the Senate race in 2002?

    Remember when the DOJ made up a crime and prosecuted Sen. Ted Stevens days before his re-election in 2008? Stevens was convicted, but never sentenced since the prosecutors hid so much exculpatory evidence. The Dem won and we got stuck with Obama-care. Later the prosecutors were punished, but not as much as us taxpayers.

    Mueller ran that investigation.

    Mueller is a Republican, of course. So it must be valid.

    Of course.

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  18. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The Left / Democrats are fighting Raciest, White Supremacist, Fascists, Homophobes, Misogynist, Nazi. Of course they will win. When you are fighting that type of evil nothing you do goes far enough to stop such evil.

    If I were in charge of the Republicans, I would start the next presidential campaign by running off a copy of the Democratic Party’s 2020 platform. I would simply edit it to make it clear that the Democrats are killing people, which they are.

    It’s time to fight fire with fire.

    But you are a Republican so an evil liar.   So it will get you nowhere.

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  19. MarciN Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The Left / Democrats are fighting Raciest, White Supremacist, Fascists, Homophobes, Misogynist, Nazi. Of course they will win. When you are fighting that type of evil nothing you do goes far enough to stop such evil.

    If I were in charge of the Republicans, I would start the next presidential campaign by running off a copy of the Democratic Party’s 2020 platform. I would simply edit it to make it clear that the Democrats are killing people, which they are.

    It’s time to fight fire with fire.

    But you are a Republican so an evil liar. So it will get you nowhere.

    Scare tactics work for them. It’s time for us to give it a try. 

    Interestingly, all we have to do is point to the homeless camps ringing every major city in our country to prove our point. 

    Republicans build houses. Democrats don’t. When they do build something, it’s an ugly crime-ridden dormitory that no one could live in. 

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  20. Gary Robbins Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

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    Columbo (View Comment):

    The vertical blue line occurs precisely when the verified votes were finished being counted and the bags of junkmail ballots harvested by Zuckerbuck activists were added.

    In Arizona they call them “Absentee Ballots.” Actually, they are called absentee ballots in most states.

    The existing absentee ballot system was corrupted in ten states supposedly because the pandemic made it impossible for voters to get to the polls. This was a new procedure, and it meant that ballots were sent out to people based on out-of-date voter lists. There were millions of these ballots–just casually sent out as if the presidential election meant nothing at all.

    My own state of Massachusetts did not do that. Our secretary of the commonwealth, a Democrat, wisely stuck to the existing system: a voter needed to request a ballot within a two-month time frame in order to get one. There’s a good reason for that system. Anyone who has ever worked with the state’s voting lists knows how out of date the information is. People move and die at an astonishing rate.

    Secretary Galvin has been in office through six governors. He is highly respected in this state. It’s the most important job in Massachusetts.

    This is a very good comment. It really merits a full post. Which were the ten states? I have been told that in California, people got multiple ballots in the mail. In Arizona, you can sign up for “Absentee Ballots.” You get only one ballot in the mail.

    Thank you for your comment.

    So … how do you insure that any of these mailed absentee ballots that are submitted for counting as a vote, were in fact actually voted by the actual voter to whom they were allegedly sent? Where is the critical proof of a proper ‘chain of custody’?

    I hear you.  I think that it is a valid point.  I would like to know what California, et. al., did to insure that there weren’t duplicate votes and to verify the identity of the voter.

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  21. Gary Robbins Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):
    So … how do you insure that any of these mailed absentee ballots that are submitted for counting as a vote, were in fact actually voted by the actual voter to whom they were allegedly sent? Where is the critical proof of a proper ‘chain of custody’?

    I believe they compare signatures. It is an involved process. It used to be that the absentee ballot had to be requested in person. I believe that has changed even in Massachusetts this year. We have an annual census that acts as a double-check on the voter lists. If voters don’t return their census, their names are removed from the voter lists.

    It’s an honor system, really. But there are a few stops in place.

    I don’t have a solution to creating an audit trail. It’s a really tough problem with preserving the private secret voting system. (I’ve always thought men were really cool in that they voted to give women the vote and no one would ever have known if they hadn’t. Thanks, guys.)

    But I would do three things:

    I would insist on in-person voter registration every three years.

    For absentee ballots, some sort of notification to the voter that the ballot was opened and the vote recorded. (And who knows if those are changed upon opening? I suppose they would have to be opened in front of Democrat and Republican witnesses.)

    Get rid of the hackable online, Bluetooth- or WiFi- or your local Internet server-enabled vote transmission systems across the board.

    Other than that, I’d ask Secretary Galvin. I trust him implicitly. :-)

    He has been fair to both Republicans and Democrats, and he’s the one guy in the state everyone admires unanimously.

    We had a moment when the Massachusetts Election Commission decided that if any descenders on the letters of a person’s signature went below the signature line on petitions, those names would be disqualified. Both parties said, “You’re out of your mind!” to the Election Commission. They replied with stone-faced silence. Then the Republicans and Democrats took their case to Secretary Galvin. He threw out the rule. Yay for the red-and-blue team. Once in a while, we can succeed together. :-)

    Please create a full post on this.  You have an excellent reservoir of knowledge.

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  22. Gary Robbins Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):
    The existing absentee ballot system was corrupted in ten states supposedly because the pandemic made it impossible for voters to get to the polls. This was a new procedure, and it meant that ballots were sent out to people based on out-of-date voter lists. There were millions of these ballots–just casually sent out as if the presidential election meant nothing at all.

    Exactly. Under the Motor Voter Law that sucker-Republicans passed in 1993, states were obligated to keep their voter lists up-to-date (the Republican “compromise”) as part of the deal to mandate registration at the MVA (what Democrats wanted.) Blue states have fought tooth and nail against cleaning up voter registration lists (“Vote suppression”) and as a result, blue state voter lists can be up to 30 years out of date. These lists were the basis of the mass mail ballots, which resulted in some addresses getting multiple ballots, ballots being mailed to people who were dead or no longer in the states where they were registered.

    Add to this the Zuckerbucks-paid activists who went around harvesting as many votes as they could get their hands on; and in many blue jurisdictions, being allowed to “cure” otherwise ineligible ballots. (“Here, let me fill that out for you sir, and I’ll sign the documents that attests that you filled it out yourself.”) It’s notable that the majority of Zuckerberg’s half-billion dollar election purchase went to blue urban areas in swing states: Atlanta, Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia…

    And finally, there was the complete removal of ballot verification mechanisms. Signature validation was taken off the table in many jurisdictions, including the state of Georgia. And what verification that did occur was often just against the faulty registration lists. States like California and Washington make no effort to verify that people who sign up on the Democrats copious “voter registration drives” are actually eligible to vote. It’s basically an honor system run by people who have no honor.

    The whole system was ripe for fraud. One would be a fool to think it wasn’t taken advantage of.

    Agreed.  How can we fix this?

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  23. Stina Inactive
    Stina
    @CM

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Perhaps in your community of friends and associates, few people and no Republicans voted for Biden. This reminds me of New York Times Film Critic Pauline Kael who famously said […]

    Actually the opposite. I live in a heavily, heavily democrat city. And yet I saw less than a handful of Biden yard signs or bumperstickers.

    When Obama ran, the place was plastered with Shepard Fairey HOPE posters, rising O logos, and “Yes we did” emblems.

    I believe that Biden got 81 million votes. […]

    Can you point to any actual enthusiasm for Biden? I sure can’t.

    While there was not a great deal of enthusiasm for Biden, there was a great deal of animosity against Trump in Flagstaff.

    You voted for the party of Hate.

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  24. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I believe that Biden got 81 million votes. […]

    Can you point to any actual enthusiasm for Biden? I sure can’t.

    While there was not a great deal of enthusiasm for Biden, there was a great deal of animosity against Trump in Flagstaff.

    Okay, not a  great deal of enthusiasm for Biden.

    But “animosity” does not translate to votes.  Was there enough animosity to cause people to put out Biden yard signs or slap on bumper stickers?  Was there enough animosity for people to show up at Biden’s single Arizona event on Oct 8?  

     

    Doesn’t appear that way.

    While in Goodyear, Arizona, 20 days later:

    Y’see, regardless of how you feel about President Trump, the vote tallies run counter to reality.

    • #84
  25. Chuck Coolidge
    Chuck
    @Chuckles

    Just finished reading the first 30 comments (!) I am so tired, so very tired, of reading how the Democrats stole/didn’t steal the election. 

    Enough already.

    • #85
  26. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
    Fake John/Jane Galt
    @FakeJohnJaneGalt

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    The Left / Democrats are fighting Raciest, White Supremacist, Fascists, Homophobes, Misogynist, Nazi. Of course they will win. When you are fighting that type of evil nothing you do goes far enough to stop such evil.

    If I were in charge of the Republicans, I would start the next presidential campaign by running off a copy of the Democratic Party’s 2020 platform. I would simply edit it to make it clear that the Democrats are killing people, which they are.

    It’s time to fight fire with fire.

    But you are a Republican so an evil liar. So it will get you nowhere.

    Scare tactics work for them. It’s time for us to give it a try.

    Interestingly, all we have to do is point to the homeless camps ringing every major city in our country to prove our point.

    Republicans build houses. Democrats don’t. When they do build something, it’s an ugly crime-ridden dormitory that no one could live in.

    What point do you think is proven?  The Dems still are the ones running things doing everything they want.  The GOP just sit back and take it again and again and again…..

    • #86
  27. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    MarciN (View Comment):
    Republicans build houses. Democrats don’t. When they do build something, it’s an ugly crime-ridden dormitory that no one could live in. 

    (D) is for Destruction. Destruction of human life, destruction of prosperity, destruction of education, of children’s innocence, of institutions. . . (D) also stands for Devil and Demon.

    • #87
  28. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Chuck (View Comment):

    Just finished reading the first 30 comments (!) I am so tired, so very tired, of reading how the Democrats stole/didn’t steal the election.

    Enough already.

    I cut my comment reading in half by skipping everything Gary writes. 

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  29. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Stina (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Perhaps in your community of friends and associates, few people and no Republicans voted for Biden. This reminds me of New York Times Film Critic Pauline Kael who famously said […]

    Actually the opposite. I live in a heavily, heavily democrat city. And yet I saw less than a handful of Biden yard signs or bumperstickers.

    When Obama ran, the place was plastered with Shepard Fairey HOPE posters, rising O logos, and “Yes we did” emblems.

    I believe that Biden got 81 million votes. […]

    Can you point to any actual enthusiasm for Biden? I sure can’t.

    While there was not a great deal of enthusiasm for Biden, there was a great deal of animosity against Trump in Flagstaff.

    You voted for the party of Hate.

    Thank you for sharing.

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  30. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    I believe that Biden got 81 million votes. […]

    Can you point to any actual enthusiasm for Biden? I sure can’t.

    While there was not a great deal of enthusiasm for Biden, there was a great deal of animosity against Trump in Flagstaff.

    Okay, not a great deal of enthusiasm for Biden.

    But “animosity” does not translate to votes. Was there enough animosity to cause people to put out Biden yard signs or slap on bumper stickers? Was there enough animosity for people to show up at Biden’s single Arizona event on Oct 8?

     

    Doesn’t appear that way.

    While in Goodyear, Arizona, 20 days later:

    Y’see, regardless of how you feel about President Trump, the vote tallies run counter to reality.

    I would not have gone to any rally for any candidate in 2020.  The vaccines weren’t out yet, and folks were dying.  I drove to my mother’s home for Christmas and visited with her for a half hour while we sat in separate cars ten feet away.  I would not have gone to the polls if at all possible.  

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