Ron DeSantis Violates Our Precious Political Norms Once Again

 

Florida Legislature and Governors: “Here are the new laws we, the people’s elected representatives, have passed to regulate abortions and outlaw sex change procedures on minor children.”

Democrat State Attorney Andrew Warren: “I refuse to enforce these laws.”

Florida Governor Ron De Santis: “You’re Fired*, clean out your desk and see HR for your COBRA forms.”

“When you flagrantly violate your oath of office, when you make yourself above the law, you have violated your duty, you have neglected your duty and you are displaying a lack of competence to be able to perform those duties,” DeSantis said at a news conference in the county sheriff’s office.

“And so today we are suspending State Attorney Andrew Warren effective immediately.”

* OK, suspended. Whatever.

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  1. Columbo Member
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    Good on Governor De Santis! This is his job/authority and his Attorney General was derelict in his and deserved a suspension if not an actual firing. 

    Let the liberals wail and gnash their teeth.

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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    What is it that these people don’t understand?? Do they think they are going to impress others who want to defy the law? Again, DeSantis is such a mensch.

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  3. Doctor Robert Member
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    Whewwwwww!  Bravo Governor Ron!

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  4. Gary Robbins Member
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    Good for DeSantis.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Victor Tango Kilo: OK, suspended. Whatever.

    Suspended over hot coals would be my preference.

    But I suppose that Satan can deal with that part, later.

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  6. Bishop Wash Member
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    Saw a notice on the Twats last night to expect a big announcement today. A few went to a presidential announcement right away, but most people realized that the timing didn’t make any sense.

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

     

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  8. WI Con Member
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    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this. It’s clear how Ron DeSantis is viewed as a rock star nationally – you’d think every ambitious GOP governor would be trying to replicate that.

    This is the new paradigm that GOP executives in all positions will have to take now – hardball.

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  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    WI Con (View Comment):

    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this. It’s clear how Ron DeSantis is viewed as a rock star nationally – you’d think every ambitious GOP governor would be trying to replicate that.

    You’d think. Why don’t they?

    Answer this and we might be well on our way to ridding ourselves of some dead weight.

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  10. Stad Coolidge
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    DeSantis/Noem – my dream ticket for 2024 . . .

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  11. Caryn Thatcher
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    Suspended.  Is that with or without pay???  Pending what?

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  12. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    WI Con (View Comment):
    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this.

    Then you don’t understand the GOP . For every Ron DeSantis, there’s about 14,000 Mitt Romneys and Mike DeWines.

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  13. Columbo Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):
    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this.

    Then you don’t understand the GOP . For every Ron DeSantis, there’s about 14,000 Mitt Romneys and Mike DeWines.

    And even those who might want to ‘be like Ron’ are scared to death of what the liberals might do to their family and livelihoods if they got too conservative in action.

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  14. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):
    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this.

    Then you don’t understand the GOP . For every Ron DeSantis, there’s about 14,000 Mitt Romneys and Mike DeWines.

    And even those who might want to ‘be like Ron’ are scared to death of what the liberals might do to their family and livelihoods if they got too conservative in action.

    Maybe many are on “the list”! 

     

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  15. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
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    I understand the argument made by some (whose opinions I respect) that it is best for the country if DeSantis remains as Governor of Florida. Their point is that, under Federalism, the states are supposed to be stronger vis-a-vis the daily lives of their citizens. Therefore, elevating an effective governor like DeSantis up to the tar pits of the Deep State in Washington D.C. (where he will be under-cut, subverted, and stabbed-in-the-back) results only in the State of Florida being weakened by losing an effective governor. The Presidency is a lost cause, so why hurt Florida?

    I totally get that line of argument, and I’m sympathetic. Bottom line? 

    I still want DeSantis to run in ’24. Noem would be a great choice for the VP slot. (Gives her the necessary seasoning for 2032.)

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  16. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Florida’s state constitution may provide Gov. DeSantis an opportunity here that may be unusual. From the public statement by Gov. DeSantis:

    The Governor has the authority under the Florida Constitution to suspend state officials for reasons of misfeasance, malfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony. The Governor has further authority to fill that office by appointment for the duration of the suspension.

     

    It appears to me (from a very cursory review of information about the structure of Florida government) that the regional State Attorneys (of which Warren is one) are directly elected by the voters of the region. They do not report to the governor (or to any other government executive). Much as I like many of the aggressive actions taken by Gov. DeSantis, I worry about concentration of power. There are reasons different officials are elected separately by the people. 

    Not sure how many other states have state constitutional provisions that would permit one elected official to remove from office another elected official. 

    The issue is playing out in the opposite direction in Los Angeles, California. The county Board of Supervisors is trying to grant to itself the power to remove from office the independently elected sheriff. The current L.A. Sheriff has frequently and loudly complained about actions by the Board of Supervisors that the Sheriff says undermines law enforcement. So the Board of Supervisors is trying to remove him from office, notwithstanding his status as an elected official separately elected by the people of Los Angeles County. 

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  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Florida’s state constitution may provide Gov. DeSantis an opportunity here that may be unusual. From the public statement by Gov. DeSantis:

    The Governor has the authority under the Florida Constitution to suspend state officials for reasons of misfeasance, malfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony. The Governor has further authority to fill that office by appointment for the duration of the suspension.

     

    It appears to me (from a very cursory review of information about the structure of Florida government) that the regional State Attorneys (of which Warren is one) are directly elected by the voters of the region. They do not report to the governor (or to any other government executive). Much as I like many of the aggressive actions taken by Gov. DeSantis, I worry about concentration of power. There are reasons different officials are elected separately by the people.

    Not sure how many other states have state constitutional provisions that would permit one elected official to remove from office another elected official.

    The issue is playing out in the opposite direction in Los Angeles, California. The county Board of Supervisors is trying to grant to itself the power to remove from office the independently elected sheriff. The current L.A. Sheriff has frequently and loudly complained about actions by the Board of Supervisors that the Sheriff says undermines law enforcement. So the Board of Supervisors is trying to remove him from office, notwithstanding his status as an elected official separately elected by the people of Los Angeles County.

    That would not work in GA. The Sheriffs are set up by the State. No County could do any sort of ballot. Maybe CA laws are different? I would not think the CA State government would want that sort of devolution of power. 

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  18. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    The Governor has the authority under the Florida Constitution to suspend state officials for reasons of misfeasance, malfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony. The Governor has further authority to fill that office by appointment for the duration of the suspension.

    This makes sense for a suspension, under the circumstances. The State Attorney qualifies under those reasons, and DeSantis can put someone else in the position in the meantime. I assume that will only last until November anyway, so the electorate can have its way then.

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  19. Flicker Coolidge
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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):

    I understand the argument made by some (whose opinions I respect) that it is best for the country if DeSantis remains as Governor of Florida. Their point is that, under Federalism, the states are supposed to be stronger vis-a-vis the daily lives of their citizens. Therefore, elevating an effective governor like DeSantis up to the tar pits of the Deep State in Washington D.C. (where he will be under-cut, subverted, and stabbed-in-the-back) results only in the State of Florida being weakened by losing an effective governor. The Presidency is a lost cause, so why hurt Florida?

    I totally get that line of argument, and I’m sympathetic. Bottom line?

    I still want DeSantis to run in ’24. Noem would be a great choice for the VP slot. (Gives her the necessary seasoning for 2032.)

    Do you live in Florida?

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  20. Gary Robbins Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

    Oh Drew!  I have already given to the Committee seeking to draft Ron DeSantis.  Have you?

    Run, Ron, Run!

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  21. Gary Robbins Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    DeSantis/Noem – my dream ticket for 2024 . . .

    Fine by me.  Just as long as it isn’t Trump or DJTJ.

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  22. Gary Robbins Member
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    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):
    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this.

    Then you don’t understand the GOP . For every Ron DeSantis, there’s about 14,000 Mitt Romneys and Mike DeWines.

    From your lips to God’s ears.

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  23. BDB Coolidge
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    Caryn (View Comment):

    Suspended. Is that with or without pay??? Pending what?

    This typically means suspended with pay, assigned to his house as place of duty, barred from contacting or interfering with people doing the work in the office (or their homes, whatever), and to await the results of an investigation over the firing-worthiness of the offense.

    Sucks, but it beats giving the lawyers a stick to beat you with.  Suspensions like this are (when done right) a chance for TPTB to get their ducks in a row so that the actual firing sticks at least until an appeal.  Can’t just be re-instated because [something].

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  24. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    EDIT: Pointless

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    BDB (View Comment):

    Caryn (View Comment):

    Suspended. Is that with or without pay??? Pending what?

    This typically means suspended with pay, assigned to his house as place of duty, barred from contacting or interfering with people doing the work in the office (or their homes, whatever), and to await the results of an investigation over the firing-worthiness of the offense.

    Sucks, but it beats giving the lawyers a stick to beat you with. Suspensions like this are (when done right) a chance for TPTB to get their ducks in a row so that the actual firing sticks at least until an appeal. Can’t just be re-instated because [something].

    It may be that DeSantis or even the legislature cannot permanently “fire” another elected office-holder, but if they keep him suspended and appoint a fill-in who will enforce the laws, that’s sufficient.

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  26. BDB Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    EDIT: Pointless

    Mooo.

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  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

    Oh Drew!

    Your passive-aggressive nonsense is tiresome.

    I don’t know if you saw it on another post, but we have a new way of addressing Gary’s tiresome-ness:

     

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  28. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    DeSantis/Noem – my dream ticket for 2024 . . .

    Noem is on the side of the child abusers.   If you just want eye candy, look towards Tudor Dixon.

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  29. Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot) Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    DeSantis/Noem – my dream ticket for 2024 . . .

    Fine by me. Just as long as it isn’t Trump or DJTJ.

    Gary, I’m confused about your criteria here.

    For statewide offices, you stated (on another thread) that you would not vote for some of the Trump-endorsed Republican nominees, but would be voting for the Democrat.  How are you making these decisions?  Because it seems to me that your antipathy toward Trump “rubs off” on a number of other Republicans, at least for some offices.

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  30. Gary Robbins Member
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    Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patrio… (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    DeSantis/Noem – my dream ticket for 2024 . . .

    Fine by me. Just as long as it isn’t Trump or DJTJ.

    Gary, I’m confused about your criteria here.

    For statewide offices, you stated (on another thread) that you would not vote for some of the Trump-endorsed Republican nominees, but would be voting for the Democrat. How are you making these decisions? Because it seems to me that your antipathy toward Trump “rubs off” on a number of other Republicans, at least for some offices.

    The three statewide Republicans that Trump endorsed for state elections are all election deniers.  In fact, Secretary of State Nominee Mark Finchem was at the January 6, 2021 Insurrection and was on the Capitol grounds.  Kari Lake has said that she wants our current Secretary of State Katie Hobbs to be arrested.  Attorney General Nominee Abe Hamadeh said that he wouldn’t have certified Arizona’s 2020 election results.  How in goodness name, could I vote for such people?

    I will be voting for Republican Kimberly Yee for State Treasurer.  She was not endorsed by Trump.

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