Ron DeSantis Violates Our Precious Political Norms Once Again

 

Florida Legislature and Governors: “Here are the new laws we, the people’s elected representatives, have passed to regulate abortions and outlaw sex change procedures on minor children.”

Democrat State Attorney Andrew Warren: “I refuse to enforce these laws.”

Florida Governor Ron De Santis: “You’re Fired*, clean out your desk and see HR for your COBRA forms.”

“When you flagrantly violate your oath of office, when you make yourself above the law, you have violated your duty, you have neglected your duty and you are displaying a lack of competence to be able to perform those duties,” DeSantis said at a news conference in the county sheriff’s office.

“And so today we are suspending State Attorney Andrew Warren effective immediately.”

* OK, suspended. Whatever.

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  1. Gary Robbins Member
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    Run Ron Run!  (For President in 2024.)

    • #31
  2. Henry Racette Member
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    @HenryRacette

    I’ll say it one more time: Ideas are more important than the man. Focus on the ideas.


    But, man, DeSantis.

    Respect.

    • #32
  3. Steven Seward Member
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    WI Con (View Comment):

    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this. It’s clear how Ron DeSantis is viewed as a rock star nationally – you’d think every ambitious GOP governor would be trying to replicate that.

    This is the new paradigm that GOP executives in all positions will have to take now – hardball.

    I think it is an illusion that Ron DeSantis is the only Gubnor enacting conservative reforms, because he is the only one who gets the news coverage.  When I’ve looked into this before I’ve found that the vast majority of all the Republican Guv’nors and state legislatures have been doing things like banning critical race theory,  prohibiting men from participating in women’s sports, reforming election procedures, and now they’re working on abortion laws.

    • #33
  4. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this. It’s clear how Ron DeSantis is viewed as a rock star nationally – you’d think every ambitious GOP governor would be trying to replicate that.

    This is the new paradigm that GOP executives in all positions will have to take now – hardball.

    I think it is an illusion that Ron DeSantis is the only Gubnor enacting conservative reforms, because he is the only one who gets the news coverage. When I’ve looked into this before I’ve found that the vast majority of all the Republican Guv’nors and state legislatures have been doing things like banning critical race theory, prohibiting men from participating in women’s sports, reforming election procedures, and now they’re working on abortion laws.

    The media downplays it by ignoring it. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.

    • #34
  5. BDB Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this. It’s clear how Ron DeSantis is viewed as a rock star nationally – you’d think every ambitious GOP governor would be trying to replicate that.

    This is the new paradigm that GOP executives in all positions will have to take now – hardball.

    I think it is an illusion that Ron DeSantis is the only Gubnor enacting conservative reforms, because he is the only one who gets the news coverage. When I’ve looked into this before I’ve found that the vast majority of all the Republican Guv’nors and state legislatures have been doing things like banning critical race theory, prohibiting men from participating in women’s sports, reforming election procedures, and now they’re working on abortion laws.

    Brother, that would make an EXCELLENT POST — I haven’t seen that (I don’t watch the news), as good news about the right doesn’t get covered.  I’m not playing comment police here — I mean that would no-kidding be a useful post, especially if it goes to the front page.

    • #35
  6. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    Results, not just talk. 

    • #36
  7. James Lileks Contributor
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this. It’s clear how Ron DeSantis is viewed as a rock star nationally – you’d think every ambitious GOP governor would be trying to replicate that.

    This is the new paradigm that GOP executives in all positions will have to take now – hardball.

    I think it is an illusion that Ron DeSantis is the only Gubnor enacting conservative reforms, because he is the only one who gets the news coverage. When I’ve looked into this before I’ve found that the vast majority of all the Republican Guv’nors and state legislatures have been doing things like banning critical race theory, prohibiting men from participating in women’s sports, reforming election procedures, and now they’re working on abortion laws.

    There are always gubernatorors who do good works and get Presidential vapors. We like them, we talk up their charms and amiability, their Surprising Successes in states that trend purply. And they are slaughtered right out of the gate, because they seem to lack spine and steel, and figure they can charm the media with the brand of homespun persona + l’il-bit-o-wonkery that worked well at home.

    DeSantis does not appear to be one of these.

    • #37
  8. BDB Coolidge
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    @BDB

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this. It’s clear how Ron DeSantis is viewed as a rock star nationally – you’d think every ambitious GOP governor would be trying to replicate that.

    This is the new paradigm that GOP executives in all positions will have to take now – hardball.

    I think it is an illusion that Ron DeSantis is the only Gubnor enacting conservative reforms, because he is the only one who gets the news coverage. When I’ve looked into this before I’ve found that the vast majority of all the Republican Guv’nors and state legislatures have been doing things like banning critical race theory, prohibiting men from participating in women’s sports, reforming election procedures, and now they’re working on abortion laws.

    There are always gubernatorors who do good works and get Presidential vapors. We like them, we talk up their charms and amiability, their Surprising Successes in states that trend purply. And they are slaughtered right out of the gate, because they seem to lack spine and steel, and figure they can charm the media with the brand of homespun persona + l’il-bit-o-wonkery that worked well at home.

    DeSantis does not appear to be one of these.

    He just needs to never board the TurdBlossom Special.

    • #38
  9. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    @ChrisCampion

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

    Oh Drew! I have already given to the Committee seeking to draft Ron DeSantis. Have you?

    Run, Ron, Run!

    Given them what?  A copy of your ballot marked “Hillary”?

    • #39
  10. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    @ChrisCampion

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this. It’s clear how Ron DeSantis is viewed as a rock star nationally – you’d think every ambitious GOP governor would be trying to replicate that.

    This is the new paradigm that GOP executives in all positions will have to take now – hardball.

    I think it is an illusion that Ron DeSantis is the only Gubnor enacting conservative reforms, because he is the only one who gets the news coverage. When I’ve looked into this before I’ve found that the vast majority of all the Republican Guv’nors and state legislatures have been doing things like banning critical race theory, prohibiting men from participating in women’s sports, reforming election procedures, and now they’re working on abortion laws.

    Could be he’s the one most of the media thinks has a shot and national level name recognition.

    I’d have trouble naming more than 2 governors.

     

    • #40
  11. Gary Robbins Member
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

    Oh Drew! I have already given to the Committee seeking to draft Ron DeSantis. Have you?

    Run, Ron, Run!

    Given them what? A copy of your ballot marked “Hillary”?

    I never voted for Hillary.  I just got done contributing to the Republican Statewide Candidate who was not endorsed by Trump, Kimberly Yee who is running for State Treasurer.

    • #41
  12. Bishop Wash Member
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):
    I’d have trouble naming more than 2 governors.

    Sadly, two years of Kung Flu and Trump being an existential threat to the Republic by letting governors make decisions at the state level has put a lot in the news: Inslee, Brown, Newsom, Whitmer, female Cuomo, Wuhan, Noem, Hogan, Abbott, Ducey, DeSantis, Gianforte, Sununu.

    • #42
  13. Bishop Wash Member
    Bishop Wash
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    I left off Youngkin.

    • #43
  14. WillowSpring Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    The media downplays it by ignoring it. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.

    Chris Plante, the mid-host on the local station (WMAL in DC/MD/VA) was a producer for 10+ years before leaving CNN.  He often says “The most powerful tool the media has is the power to ignore”

    How much different would this country be if we had a real media.

    • #44
  15. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    WillowSpring (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):
    The media downplays it by ignoring it. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.

    Chris Plante, the mid-host on the local station (WMAL in DC/MD/VA) was a producer for 10+ years before leaving CNN. He often says “The most powerful tool the media has is the power to ignore”

    How much different would this country be if we had a real media.

    The Democrat Party would have been binned decades ago.

    • #45
  16. Sisyphus Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo: OK, suspended. Whatever.

    Suspended over hot coals would be my preference.

    But I suppose that Satan can deal with that part, later.

    The fire is already hot, I am told.

    • #46
  17. Sisyphus Member
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    @Sisyphus

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this. It’s clear how Ron DeSantis is viewed as a rock star nationally – you’d think every ambitious GOP governor would be trying to replicate that.

    This is the new paradigm that GOP executives in all positions will have to take now – hardball.

    I think it is an illusion that Ron DeSantis is the only Gubnor enacting conservative reforms, because he is the only one who gets the news coverage. When I’ve looked into this before I’ve found that the vast majority of all the Republican Guv’nors and state legislatures have been doing things like banning critical race theory, prohibiting men from participating in women’s sports, reforming election procedures, and now they’re working on abortion laws.

    The media downplays it by ignoring it. I guess we shouldn’t be surprised.

    If they just report their wins and bury their losses, they must be winning. For some very post-post-post modern definition of winning.

    • #47
  18. Steven Seward Member
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    Gazpacho Grande' (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    WI Con (View Comment):

    I still don’t understand why there isn’t a consistent block of GOP dominated states doing things like this. It’s clear how Ron DeSantis is viewed as a rock star nationally – you’d think every ambitious GOP governor would be trying to replicate that.

    This is the new paradigm that GOP executives in all positions will have to take now – hardball.

    I think it is an illusion that Ron DeSantis is the only Gubnor enacting conservative reforms, because he is the only one who gets the news coverage. When I’ve looked into this before I’ve found that the vast majority of all the Republican Guv’nors and state legislatures have been doing things like banning critical race theory, prohibiting men from participating in women’s sports, reforming election procedures, and now they’re working on abortion laws.

    Could be he’s the one most of the media thinks has a shot and national level name recognition.

    I’d have trouble naming more than 2 governors.

    I think it is the nature of politics and mass media that it is much easier and effective to concentrate on one or two Boogymen at a time.  I have not seen any statistics, but I would guess that Trump and DeSantis are mentioned more often in a negative light by the media than all the other Republican Senators and Governors combined.  And Trump isn’t even in office.  He’s just a convenient and recognizable target.

     

    • #48
  19. Full Size Tabby Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Florida’s state constitution may provide Gov. DeSantis an opportunity here that may be unusual. From the public statement by Gov. DeSantis:

    The Governor has the authority under the Florida Constitution to suspend state officials for reasons of misfeasance, malfeasance, neglect of duty, drunkenness, incompetence, permanent inability to perform official duties, or commission of a felony. The Governor has further authority to fill that office by appointment for the duration of the suspension.

     

    It appears to me (from a very cursory review of information about the structure of Florida government) that the regional State Attorneys (of which Warren is one) are directly elected by the voters of the region. They do not report to the governor (or to any other government executive). Much as I like many of the aggressive actions taken by Gov. DeSantis, I worry about concentration of power. There are reasons different officials are elected separately by the people.

    Not sure how many other states have state constitutional provisions that would permit one elected official to remove from office another elected official.

    The issue is playing out in the opposite direction in Los Angeles, California. The county Board of Supervisors is trying to grant to itself the power to remove from office the independently elected sheriff. The current L.A. Sheriff has frequently and loudly complained about actions by the Board of Supervisors that the Sheriff says undermines law enforcement. So the Board of Supervisors is trying to remove him from office, notwithstanding his status as an elected official separately elected by the people of Los Angeles County.

    After gathering some more information, I am more comfortable with the action of Gov. DeSantis. He is relying on a provision of the Florida state constitution specifically about elected officials who are incapable or refuse to do the jobs to which they were elected. And he can cite specific instances in which the now-suspended state attorney added his name to public statements that he would refuse to enforce any laws in certain categories (protecting children from “gender reassignment” and protecting unborn babies from being killed in abortion). The state attorney has responded that those were statements possible future action, and that he has not yet actually refused to do the job. But, I think to most people it is reasonable to presume that a person who says he will refuse to do some aspect of his job is effectively refusing to do his job. 

    For governors of other states, I don’t know whether their state constitutions have similar provisions that would give the governor authority over elected officials who refuse to do their jobs. 

    • #49
  20. Gazpacho Grande' Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Gazpacho Grande’ (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

    Oh Drew! I have already given to the Committee seeking to draft Ron DeSantis. Have you?

    Run, Ron, Run!

    Given them what? A copy of your ballot marked “Hillary”?

    I never voted for Hillary. I just got done contributing to the Republican Statewide Candidate who was not endorsed by Trump, Kimberly Yee who is running for State Treasurer.

    Just what a Hillary supporter would say!

    • #50
  21. DrewInWisconsin, Oik Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

    Oh Drew! I have already given to the Committee seeking to draft Ron DeSantis. Have you?

    Run, Ron, Run!

    Uh oh.

     

    • #51
  22. Hoyacon Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

    Oh Drew! I have already given to the Committee seeking to draft Ron DeSantis. Have you?

    Run, Ron, Run!

    Uh oh.

     

    Typical NYT.  Who could possibly care who Cheney supports or doesn’t support?

    • #52
  23. Columbo Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

    Oh Drew! I have already given to the Committee seeking to draft Ron DeSantis. Have you?

    Run, Ron, Run!

    Uh oh.

     

     

    Typical NYT. Who could possibly care who Cheney supports or doesn’t support?

    ‘Very dangerous’.  One could say the same thing about Liz’ diet.

    • #53
  24. Percival Thatcher
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

    Oh Drew! I have already given to the Committee seeking to draft Ron DeSantis. Have you?

    Run, Ron, Run!

    Uh oh.

     

     

    Typical NYT. Who could possibly care who Cheney supports or doesn’t support?

    If I were DeSantis, I would find out exactly what I would have to do to gain her endorsement.

    Then do the precise opposite.

    • #54
  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

    Oh Drew! I have already given to the Committee seeking to draft Ron DeSantis. Have you?

    Run, Ron, Run!

    Uh oh.

     

     

    Typical NYT. Who could possibly care who Cheney supports or doesn’t support?

    If I were DeSantis, I would find out exactly what I would have to do to gain her endorsement.

    Then do the precise opposite.

    Most likely the answer would be to not run, and endorse her instead.

    • #55
  26. Django Member
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oik (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Good for DeSantis.

    You’ll be voting against him if he runs for President in 2024.

    Oh Drew! I have already given to the Committee seeking to draft Ron DeSantis. Have you?

    Run, Ron, Run!

    Uh oh.

     

     

    Typical NYT. Who could possibly care who Cheney supports or doesn’t support?

    No one important.

    • #56
  27. Red Herring Coolidge
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    She is unstable

    • #57
  28. Django Member
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    She is unstable

    Or evil?

    • #58
  29. Postmodern Hoplite Coolidge
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    Django (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    She is unstable

    Or evil?

    Naw, just foolish and self-centered.

    • #59
  30. Sisyphus Member
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    Postmodern Hoplite (View Comment):

    Django (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    She is unstable

    Or evil?

    Naw, just foolish and self-centered.

    And evil. Although it’s tough to be anything else being foolish and self-centered. And a politician.

    • #60
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