Does the Sussman Trial Cause Any Regret at All?

 

From RealClearPolitics on Thursday:

Baker’s testimony was followed, on Friday, by that of Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook. Mook casually (perhaps inadvertently) dropped a bombshell. Hillary Clinton, he said, had personally approved sharing the Trump-Alfa Bank story with the press. Mook said the campaign wasn’t sure if the story was true but figured the press would look into it. Hillary agreed and approved spreading the false story.

But Mook cannot be right when he says “the campaign” didn’t know if the Alfa Bank story was true. Mook may not have known, but others in the campaign surely did since they were the ones who created the false story. They expended campaign funds to generate that dishonest “inference and narrative” about Trump and Alfa Bank from internet data, knowing it would fool only naïve FBI agents and reporters. Real cyber experts could – and did – disprove the “inference” almost immediately.

Without a doubt, this was the Democratic Party using the levers of government to go after its opponents. For every person on the right who complained loud and long about the threat to the Republic by Trump, where are those voices now?

Those of us willing to overlook mean tweets (or enjoy them, which I admit too) were able to see how this was all a setup at the time. It was painfully clear because our eyes were not clouded. We are owed apologies by the people screeching that Trump was a threat to democracy.

We won’t get it.

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  1. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    ZZZZZzzzzzzz.    The corrupt system is throwing Hillary under the bus.   She will not be punished, but her dead career will stay dead.

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  2. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    ZZZZZzzzzzzz. The corrupt system is throwing Hillary under the bus. She will not be punished, but her dead career will stay dead.

    That would be true trial or no.

    • #2
  3. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    NTers are still pretending they did the right thing. And many of them are now indistinguishable from hard-left authoritarian Democrats.

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  4. Buckpasser Member
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    Isn’t it illegal to put a democrat in jail?

    • #4
  5. Django Member
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    @Django

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    NTers are still pretending they did the right thing. And many of them are now indistinguishable from hard-left authoritarian Democrats.

    Sometimes, though not all that often, I wonder if I’m the dim-witted one. There are things the GOPe and NTs do and say that just don’t make ANY sense. A long time ago when the Demo-rats were in control of the Senate and talked about ending the filibuster for some arcane purpose of their own, that idiot McConnell told us not to worry because … when “we” get control again, we can re-instate the filibuster. And of course, lose any chance of undoing the damage that Demo-rats might do. WTAF was that fool saying? To me he seemed to be saying that preserving the traditions of the Senate was far more important than protecting the interests of those whom the Senate is supposed to serve. 

    In any case, if I am dim-witted, I am not alone. Some at ricochet are too stupid to understand why I and others despise The Turtle, the GOPe, and unrepentant NTs. 

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Django (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    NTers are still pretending they did the right thing. And many of them are now indistinguishable from hard-left authoritarian Democrats.

    Sometimes, though not all that often, I wonder if I’m the dim-witted one. There are things the GOPe and NTs do and say that just don’t make ANY sense. A long time ago when the Demo-rats were in control of the Senate and talked about ending the filibuster for some arcane purpose of their own, that idiot McConnell told us not to worry because … when “we” get control again, we can re-instate the filibuster. And of course, lose any chance of undoing the damage that Demo-rats might do. WTAF was that fool saying? To me he seemed to be saying that preserving the traditions of the Senate was far more important than protecting the interests of those whom the Senate is supposed to serve.

    In any case, if I am dim-witted, I am not alone. Some at ricochet are too stupid to understand why I and others despise The Turtle, the GOPe, and unrepentant NTs.

    One thing we can be reasonably certain of, is that Senate Demo-rats would have happily voted to restore the filibuster once they were in the minority.

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  7. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
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    Percival (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    ZZZZZzzzzzzz. The corrupt system is throwing Hillary under the bus. She will not be punished, but her dead career will stay dead.

    That would be true trial or no.

    Do you remember that time she used an illegal email server and then destroyed the evidence?    I expect the same level of crime and punishment.

     

    Glenn Beck has an interview with Bill Barr (who is shilling a book) and he said that nothing could be done while he was in office, because Covid made it impossible to gather a grand jury.   That is BS.

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  8. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    NTers are still pretending they did the right thing. And many of them are now indistinguishable from hard-left authoritarian Democrats.

    Yes

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  9. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens: Mook casually (perhaps inadvertently) dropped a bombshell. Hillary Clinton, he said, had personally approved sharing the Trump-Alfa Bank story with the press.

    There was nothing casual or inadvertent about it. Mook planned to drop the obvious bombshell. The jury is loaded with Clinton voters and Donors, if they believe that convicting Sussman would lead investigator or prosecutors to Hillary’s doorstep they’ll  do what they can to prevent it…

    It was only to a bombshell to someone who’s been living under a rock for the past 50 years.

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  10. Bishop Wash Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):
    Glenn Beck has an interview with Bill Barr (who is shilling a book) and he said that nothing could be done while he was in office, because Covid made it impossible to gather a grand jury.   That is BS.

    If it was important they’d find a way.  However, I was called for jury duty last November for a murder case.  The case had gone to trial in July 2020 but because of Covid only had a jury pool of 50. Only ten people were selected so the judge didn’t proceed and rescheduled it. 

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  11. Manny Member
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    I’ve been saying this for a couple of years now, ever since the hoax was known.  People need to go to jail for this. Hillary, Comey, somebody big.  You cannot frame a sitting president and get away with it.  This should be huge.  It astounds me that it’s not a bigger issue than it is.  

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

    I’ve been saying this for a couple of years now, ever since the hoax was known. People need to go to jail for this. Hillary, Comey, somebody big. You cannot frame a sitting president and get away with it. This should be huge. It astounds me that it’s not a bigger issue than it is.

    The left is painting it as just “disagreement of policy” or whatever, so they can claim that any criminal prosecution would just be “banana republic” stuff.

    In other words, more projection.  They want to claim that Trump shutting down illegal immigration is somehow “criminal,” but when they sell technology secrets to China that’s just “different policy.”

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  13. Percival Thatcher
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    Manny (View Comment):

    I’ve been saying this for a couple of years now, ever since the hoax was known. People need to go to jail for this. Hillary, Comey, somebody big. You cannot frame a sitting president and get away with it. This should be huge. It astounds me that it’s not a bigger issue than it is.

    It doesn’t count if Democrats do it. Our media are totally in the tank.

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  14. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    The left is painting it as just “disagreement of policy” or whatever, so they can claim that any criminal prosecution would just be “banana republic” stuff.

    So criminal prosecution for engaging in banana-republic stuff would be banana-republic stuff.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    The left is painting it as just “disagreement of policy” or whatever, so they can claim that any criminal prosecution would just be “banana republic” stuff.

    So criminal prosecution for engaging in banana-republic stuff would be banana-republic stuff.

    The claim is that only banana republics prosecute political opponents for political differences.  And they’ve been arguing for years that stuff like they do is only “political differences” but stopping illegal immigrations is actually criminal.  Just the opposite of the truth, as usual, i.e. projection: accusing the other side of what they are actually doing.

    • #15
  16. Michael Henry Member
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    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    ZZZZZzzzzzzz. The corrupt system is throwing Hillary under the bus. She will not be punished, but her dead career will stay dead.

    It will have to be a big bus to get that heifer under it.

    • #16
  17. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Or, a DC jury acquits and the media spins this as proving the Russia hoax was actually true.

    • #17
  18. hoowitts Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

    I’ve been saying this for a couple of years now, ever since the hoax was known. People need to go to jail for this. Hillary, Comey, somebody big. You cannot frame a sitting president and get away with it. This should be huge. It astounds me that it’s not a bigger issue than it is.

    So on point Manny. Problem is, precedent was set in 2015/2016 to get away with this – Obama & FBI FISA warrant fraud was simply swept under the rug. This abuse of power should have outraged everyone. Even with control of the executive and legislatures, barely a peep from GOPe. Crickets. But they’ll celebrate John McCain’s courage to get out of a hospital bed to spitefully vote against repealing Obamacare. Go team GOP!  Yeah, give me a break.

    Recall the scenario:

    A sitting, lame duck president (Obama), weaponizes his DOJ (Comey) to LIE to the most secretive court (FISA) in our justice dept; to obtain the most permissive warrant available to federal investigators; in order to wiretap and spy on the opposing party’s presidential team (Carter Page) and candidate (Donald Trump) during an active election. 

    Outrageous! Even Tom Clancy wouldn’t write something so brazen and expect you to believe it.  Seriously – Watergate seems juvenile and feeble by comparison. Chuck Colson goes to jail but these scoundrels get promoted with TV and book gigs.

    And to echo Bryan’s point:

    Bryan G. Stephens: We are owed apologies by the people screeching

    What galls me is absolutely no contrition. EVER. How many scandals and deceptions:

    FISA Abuses
    Russia collusion strategy
    Mueller investigation
    Two unqualified president impeachments
    IRS targeting conservatives
    Russian Uranium deal
    Benghazi & Afghanistan debacles
    Ukraine donations to Hillary’s foundation
    Iran deal & cash
    Fast & furious guns
    Solyndra fraud

    This just scratches the surface. It doesn’t even account for MSM complicity and outright lies. And to think, they came up with a Disinformation Governance Board.  But Trump is a threat to the republic? And they wonder why we are angry. Sheesh.

    • #18
  19. RufusRJones Member
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    hoowitts (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    I’ve been saying this for a couple of years now, ever since the hoax was known. People need to go to jail for this. Hillary, Comey, somebody big. You cannot frame a sitting president and get away with it. This should be huge. It astounds me that it’s not a bigger issue than it is.

    So on point Manny. Problem is, precedent was set in 2015/2016 to get away with this – Obama & FBI FISA warrant fraud was simply swept under the rug. This abuse of power should have outraged everyone. Even with control of the executive and legislatures, barely a peep from GOPe. Crickets. But they’ll celebrate John McCain’s courage to get out of a hospital bed to spitefully vote against repealing Obamacare. Go team GOP! Yeah, give me a break.

    Recall the scenario:

    A sitting, lame duck president (Obama), weaponizes his DOJ (Comey) to LIE to the most secretive court (FISA) in our justice dept; to obtain the most permissive warrant available to federal investigators; in order to wiretap and spy on the opposing party’s presidential team (Carter Page) and candidate (Donald Trump) during an active election.

    Outrageous! Even Tom Clancy wouldn’t write something so brazen and expect you to believe it. Seriously – Watergate seems juvenile and feeble by comparison. Chuck Colson goes to jail but these scoundrels get promoted with TV and book gigs.

    And to echo Bryan’s point:

    Bryan G. Stephens: We are owed apologies by the people screeching

    What galls me is absolutely no contrition. EVER. How many scandals and deceptions:

    FISA Abuses
    Russia collusion strategy
    Mueller investigation
    Two unqualified president impeachments
    IRS targeting conservatives
    Russian Uranium deal
    Benghazi & Afghanistan debacles
    Ukraine donations to Hillary’s foundation
    Iran deal & cash
    Fast & furious guns
    Solyndra fraud

    This just scratches the surface. It doesn’t even account for MSM complicity and outright lies. And to think, they came up with a Disinformation Governance Board. But Trump is a threat to the republic? And they wonder why we are angry. Sheesh.

    I love this. 1 million likes 

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    hoowitts (View Comment):
    This abuse of power should have outraged everyone. Even with control of the executive and legislatures, barely a peep from GOPe. Crickets. But they’ll celebrate John McCain’s courage to get out of a hospital bed to spitefully vote against repealing Obamacare. Go team GOP!  Yeah, give me a break.

    1000% 

    #vomit 

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  21. I Walton Member
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    @IWalton

    We seem to expect that in a country of 300 plus million of the most diverse folks on earth with the most advanced complex economy that ever existed can be run from the top by experts and that experts will know enough to run it and actually care for the tens of thousands of towns and millions of businesses and cities of all sizes and their citizens rather than their own interests.  It can’t be done.  We succeeded because we were bottom up and we will fail even faster and more profoundly if we are run from the top by any party.  Other countries had centuries to figure out how to run states from the top, not creatively, not prosperously for the people, but well enough to remain in power and mostly independent.  We don’t and it should be obvious.  If we can’t fix it and I doubt we can, we have to disconnect from Washington, and the states too big to be run by either Washington or their own capitals,  and go back to independent states with a common foreign policy apparatus and far fewer bureaucrats.  Not easy, almost impossible, but if we can’t win the next election and dismember most of Washington that is our only choice.  

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  22. hoowitts Coolidge
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    I Walton (View Comment):

    We seem to expect that in a country of 300 plus million of the most diverse folks on earth with the most advanced complex economy that ever existed can be run from the top by experts and that experts will know enough to run it and actually care for the tens of thousands of towns and millions of businesses and cities of all sizes and their citizens rather than their own interests. It can’t be done. We succeeded because we were bottom up and we will fail even faster and more profoundly if we are run from the top by any party. Other countries had centuries to figure out how to run states from the top, not creatively, not prosperously for the people, but well enough to remain in power and mostly independent. We don’t and it should be obvious. If we can’t fix it and I doubt we can, we have to disconnect from Washington, and the states too big to be run by either Washington or their own capitals, and go back to independent states with a common foreign policy apparatus and far fewer bureaucrats. Not easy, almost impossible, but if we can’t win the next election and dismember most of Washington that is our only choice.

    #Federalism baby!

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  23. Percival Thatcher
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    @Percival

    Michael Henry (View Comment):

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    ZZZZZzzzzzzz. The corrupt system is throwing Hillary under the bus. She will not be punished, but her dead career will stay dead.

    It will have to be a big bus to get that heifer under it.

    The Democratic Party bus has heavy-duty suspension.

    • #23
  24. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
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    hoowitts (View Comment):

    What galls me is absolutely no contrition. EVER. How many scandals and deceptions:

    FISA Abuses
    Russia collusion strategy
    Mueller investigation
    Two unqualified president impeachments
    IRS targeting conservatives
    Russian Uranium deal
    Benghazi & Afghanistan debacles
    Ukraine donations to Hillary’s foundation
    Iran deal & cash
    Fast & furious guns
    Solyndra fraud

    This just scratches the surface. It doesn’t even account for MSM complicity and outright lies. And to think, they came up with a Disinformation Governance Board. But Trump is a threat to the republic? And they wonder why we are angry. Sheesh.

    And the do-nothing Republicans who let this all happen and continue to ignore it wonder why we hate them.

    • #24
  25. GlennAmurgis Coolidge
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    @GlennAmurgis

    Does anyone trust the permanent bureaucracy? 

    Does David French, the writers at the Bulwark or Dispatch apologize for pushing Russia Collusion? 

    I suspect they won’t 

    Most of DC media has some tie to the permanent bureaucracy –  a spouse, a neighbor a friend.  

     

    • #25
  26. RufusRJones Member
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    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):

    Does anyone trust the permanent bureaucracy?

    Does David French, the writers at the Bulwark or Dispatch apologize for pushing Russia Collusion?

    I suspect they won’t

    Most of DC media has some tie to the permanent bureaucracy – a spouse, a neighbor a friend.

     

    attn: the person on this website I’m trying to interact less with lol 

    • #26
  27. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    GlennAmurgis (View Comment):
    Does David French, the writers at the Bulwark or Dispatch apologize for pushing Russia Collusion? 

    Of course not. Which is why these blogs must be destroyed.

    • #27
  28. The Reticulator Member
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    hoowitts (View Comment):

    Manny (View Comment):

    I’ve been saying this for a couple of years now, ever since the hoax was known. People need to go to jail for this. Hillary, Comey, somebody big. You cannot frame a sitting president and get away with it. This should be huge. It astounds me that it’s not a bigger issue than it is.

    So on point Manny. Problem is, precedent was set in 2015/2016 to get away with this – Obama & FBI FISA warrant fraud was simply swept under the rug. This abuse of power should have outraged everyone. Even with control of the executive and legislatures, barely a peep from GOPe. Crickets. But they’ll celebrate John McCain’s courage to get out of a hospital bed to spitefully vote against repealing Obamacare. Go team GOP! Yeah, give me a break.

    Recall the scenario:

    A sitting, lame duck president (Obama), weaponizes his DOJ (Comey) to LIE to the most secretive court (FISA) in our justice dept; to obtain the most permissive warrant available to federal investigators; in order to wiretap and spy on the opposing party’s presidential team (Carter Page) and candidate (Donald Trump) during an active election.

    Outrageous! Even Tom Clancy wouldn’t write something so brazen and expect you to believe it. Seriously – Watergate seems juvenile and feeble by comparison. Chuck Colson goes to jail but these scoundrels get promoted with TV and book gigs.

    And to echo Bryan’s point:

    Bryan G. Stephens: We are owed apologies by the people screeching

    What galls me is absolutely no contrition. EVER. How many scandals and deceptions:

    FISA Abuses
    Russia collusion strategy
    Mueller investigation
    Two unqualified president impeachments
    IRS targeting conservatives
    Russian Uranium deal
    Benghazi & Afghanistan debacles
    Ukraine donations to Hillary’s foundation
    Iran deal & cash
    Fast & furious guns
    Solyndra fraud

    This just scratches the surface. It doesn’t even account for MSM complicity and outright lies. And to think, they came up with a Disinformation Governance Board. But Trump is a threat to the republic? And they wonder why we are angry. Sheesh.

    What galls me is that nobody makes a priority of creating budgetary consequences for the agencies that took part in lawbreaking.  At one point the IRS had to take some consequences, but that’s over and that’s about it. 

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  29. spaceman_spiff Member
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    @spacemanspiff

    Except he was a threat to democracy on January 6th. How many apologies did we get for that travesty? I didn’t vote for him but I was glad he beat Hillary. I despise Biden but if Trump had been re-elected, he would have felt vindicated and there was a lot about his presidency I didn’t want to vindicate.

    Some of his policies were good. (But if today’s runaway inflation worries you, Trump helped that along as much as anyone.) I never called myself NeverTrump. I was always a “gettable” vote but neither Trump nor his supporters were interested in winning my support. His strategy was an obsessive appeal to his base. Those of us who didn’t find his neverending tweets helpful were effectively told to piss up a rope. Surprise! I ended up not voting for him!

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    Surprise! I ended up not voting for him!

    Everything Moves Left All Of The Time

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