Does the Sussman Trial Cause Any Regret at All?

 

From RealClearPolitics on Thursday:

Baker’s testimony was followed, on Friday, by that of Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook. Mook casually (perhaps inadvertently) dropped a bombshell. Hillary Clinton, he said, had personally approved sharing the Trump-Alfa Bank story with the press. Mook said the campaign wasn’t sure if the story was true but figured the press would look into it. Hillary agreed and approved spreading the false story.

But Mook cannot be right when he says “the campaign” didn’t know if the Alfa Bank story was true. Mook may not have known, but others in the campaign surely did since they were the ones who created the false story. They expended campaign funds to generate that dishonest “inference and narrative” about Trump and Alfa Bank from internet data, knowing it would fool only naïve FBI agents and reporters. Real cyber experts could – and did – disprove the “inference” almost immediately.

Without a doubt, this was the Democratic Party using the levers of government to go after its opponents. For every person on the right who complained loud and long about the threat to the Republic by Trump, where are those voices now?

Those of us willing to overlook mean tweets (or enjoy them, which I admit too) were able to see how this was all a setup at the time. It was painfully clear because our eyes were not clouded. We are owed apologies by the people screeching that Trump was a threat to democracy.

We won’t get it.

Published in General
This post was promoted to the Main Feed by a Ricochet Editor at the recommendation of Ricochet members. Like this post? Want to comment? Join Ricochet’s community of conservatives and be part of the conversation. Join Ricochet for Free.

There are 176 comments.

Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.
  1. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    His fiscal policy was an absolute train wreck.

    The GOP should control spending. What decade should we start? lol

    I do not get all the people who simultaneously complain about Dubya and Medicare Part D while excusing Trump’s fiscal incontinence. Pick a freaking lane! Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    Excuse? Where are you seeing that?

    Yeah, really. Medicare Part D seemed to be one of the incidents that caused a large portion of conservatives to start looking at Dubya with a jaundiced eye.

    That is the tipping point according to many of the smart people I follow. 

    Nobody’s going to do this but you should watch the David Stockman interview on real vision. I think they have wiped out the pay wall for it. There is a transcript.

    • #151
  2. philo Member
    philo
    @philo

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    His fiscal policy was an absolute train wreck.

    The GOP should control spending. What decade should we start? lol

    I do not get all the people who simultaneously complain about Dubya and Medicare Part D while excusing Trump’s fiscal incontinence. Pick a freaking lane! Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    Excuse? Where are you seeing that?

    Yeah, really. Medicare Part D seemed to be one of the incidents that caused a large portion of conservatives to start looking at Dubya with a jaundiced eye.

    I remember it well, Bush met with Bill Frist:

    “I looked the man in the eye. I found him to be very straightforward and trustworthy. We had a very good dialogue. I was able to get a sense of his soul; a man deeply committed to … yada, yada, yada.”

    (I hear you thinking “But you can’t ‘yada, yada’ pulling the rug our from under those gullible conservative voters!” But I have mentioned the slick “compassionate conservative” marketing gimmick that only those who wanted to be fooled actually believed. I know because I was one of them.)

    Well, that might have been someone else, but close enough for government work…

    • #152
  3. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    And Trump’s deregulation was better than the Bush tax cuts. I suspect it was much better for the debt long-term, or would have been had our politicians not decided to order lots of people to stop working in 2020.

    • #153
  4. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    His fiscal policy was an absolute train wreck.

    The GOP should control spending. What decade should we start? lol

    I do not get all the people who simultaneously complain about Dubya and Medicare Part D while excusing Trump’s fiscal incontinence. Pick a freaking lane! Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    Excuse? Where are you seeing that?

    Yeah, really. Medicare Part D seemed to be one of the incidents that caused a large portion of conservatives to start looking at Dubya with a jaundiced eye.

    That is the tipping point according to many of the smart people I follow.

    Not all that smart. He promised a Medicare prescription drug benefit during the campaign. 

    • #154
  5. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    His fiscal policy was an absolute train wreck.

    The GOP should control spending. What decade should we start? lol

    I do not get all the people who simultaneously complain about Dubya and Medicare Part D while excusing Trump’s fiscal incontinence. Pick a freaking lane! Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    Excuse? Where are you seeing that?

    Yeah, really. Medicare Part D seemed to be one of the incidents that caused a large portion of conservatives to start looking at Dubya with a jaundiced eye.

    That is the tipping point according to many of the smart people I follow.

    Not all that smart. He promised a Medicare prescription drug benefit during the campaign.

    They are saying saying it’s a fiscal tipping point. A point of no return.

    • #155
  6. Cassandro Coolidge
    Cassandro
    @Flicker

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    His fiscal policy was an absolute train wreck.

    The GOP should control spending. What decade should we start? lol

    I do not get all the people who simultaneously complain about Dubya and Medicare Part D while excusing Trump’s fiscal incontinence. Pick a freaking lane! Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    Excuse? Where are you seeing that?

    Yeah, really. Medicare Part D seemed to be one of the incidents that caused a large portion of conservatives to start looking at Dubya with a jaundiced eye.

    That is the tipping point according to many of the smart people I follow.

    Not all that smart. He promised a Medicare prescription drug benefit during the campaign.

    They are saying saying it’s a fiscal tipping point. A point of no return.

    Not the debt to GDP ratio?   United States Government debt accounted for 128.9 % of the country’s Nominal GDP in Mar 2022.

    • #156
  7. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    I’ve posted this a million times. Look up the biography of Rep. H.R. Gross. Republicans have it in their head that the GOP used to be 50% worthy of Rep. H.R. Gross. It’s more like 10%. 

     

     

    I think they took a paywall down for this. There is a transcript. Seriously, how off is all of this?

     

    https://www.realvision.com/shows/grant-williams/videos/grant-williams-in-conversation-with-david-stockman

     

     

     

    • #157
  8. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Remind yourself to vote, lol. This is a whole page and a half.

    https://mises.org/wire/were-living-age-capital-consumption

     

     

     

    • #158
  9. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    *If you going to do all of this central planning you need to be much more conservative about it. The GOP never cared. They just want to get past the next election. We are copying the Soviets.

    • #159
  10. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Aw, my state is too Democratic for my vote to matter!

    Boo hoo. Once upon a time California was too Republican for Democrat votes to matter.

    What changed? Democrats didn’t throw in the towel.

     

    Trump lost CT by 20 points. Get a freaking clue. You don’t have my back. Why would I go down fighting for a 20 point loser just to please you?

    • #160
  11. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    His fiscal policy was an absolute train wreck.

    The GOP should control spending. What decade should we start? lol

    I do not get all the people who simultaneously complain about Dubya and Medicare Part D while excusing Trump’s fiscal incontinence. Pick a freaking lane! Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    Excuse? Where are you seeing that?

    Yeah, really. Medicare Part D seemed to be one of the incidents that caused a large portion of conservatives to start looking at Dubya with a jaundiced eye.

    That is the tipping point according to many of the smart people I follow.

    Not all that smart. He promised a Medicare prescription drug benefit during the campaign.

    They are saying saying it’s a fiscal tipping point. A point of no return.

    Not the debt to GDP ratio? United States Government debt accounted for 128.9 % of the country’s Nominal GDP in Mar 2022.

     

    It was 60% in 2004.

    • #161
  12. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    Cassandro (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    His fiscal policy was an absolute train wreck.

    The GOP should control spending. What decade should we start? lol

    I do not get all the people who simultaneously complain about Dubya and Medicare Part D while excusing Trump’s fiscal incontinence. Pick a freaking lane! Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    Excuse? Where are you seeing that?

    Yeah, really. Medicare Part D seemed to be one of the incidents that caused a large portion of conservatives to start looking at Dubya with a jaundiced eye.

    That is the tipping point according to many of the smart people I follow.

    Not all that smart. He promised a Medicare prescription drug benefit during the campaign.

    They are saying saying it’s a fiscal tipping point. A point of no return.

    Not the debt to GDP ratio? United States Government debt accounted for 128.9 % of the country’s Nominal GDP in Mar 2022.

     

    It was 60% in 2004.

    The problem is discretionary central banking + politicians needing to be elected every year. All they are going to do is create constant CPI and asset inflation so the asset bubble stays intact and the government that keeps being debased. 

    All of the structures that contribute to this should have been dealt with in the mid 90s. It became a feedback loop that you can’t control in the early 2000s.

    • #162
  13. DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Aw, my state is too Democratic for my vote to matter!

    Boo hoo. Once upon a time California was too Republican for Democrat votes to matter.

    What changed? Democrats didn’t throw in the towel.

     

    Trump lost CT by 20 points. Get a freaking clue. You don’t have my back. Why would I go down fighting for a 20 point loser just to please you?

    So, because you live in a Democratic state, you never bother to vote. And then you wonder why your state is Democratic.

    • #163
  14. DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) Coolidge
    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax)
    @DonG

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):
    As for spending, Trump never campaigned as a conservative on that issue, but then, with the debatable exception of Reagan, we’ve never had a full-spectrum conservative to vote for in a national election. 

    Reagan ran huge deficits.   Of course, when Bush43 spent $9T on wars and bank bailouts, we had to reset the bar.

    • #164
  15. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):
    As for spending, Trump never campaigned as a conservative on that issue, but then, with the debatable exception of Reagan, we’ve never had a full-spectrum conservative to vote for in a national election.

    Reagan ran huge deficits. Of course, when Bush43 spent $9T on wars and bank bailouts, we had to reset the bar.

    Watch the long David Stockman interview on real vision. I think they have taken it off of the pay wall. There is a transcript.

    • #165
  16. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Unapologetic … (View Comment):

    Aw, my state is too Democratic for my vote to matter!

    Boo hoo. Once upon a time California was too Republican for Democrat votes to matter.

    What changed? Democrats didn’t throw in the towel.

    Trump lost CT by 20 points. Get a freaking clue. You don’t have my back. Why would I go down fighting for a 20 point loser just to please you?

    So, because you live in a Democratic state, you never bother to vote. And then you wonder why your state is Democratic.

    I vote in every election and more often than not my candidate loses. I live in a district that hasn’t gone Republican since before I was born and later this year I will be old enough to start collecting SS. I don’t owe you or Trump a damn thing, especially because I have a significant dispute regarding a number of Trump’s policies.

    • #166
  17. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):
    As for spending, Trump never campaigned as a conservative on that issue, but then, with the debatable exception of Reagan, we’ve never had a full-spectrum conservative to vote for in a national election.

    Reagan ran huge deficits. Of course, when Bush43 spent $9T on wars and bank bailouts, we had to reset the bar.

    The bank bailouts were repaid.

    • #167
  18. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    DonG (CAGW is a Hoax) (View Comment):

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):
    As for spending, Trump never campaigned as a conservative on that issue, but then, with the debatable exception of Reagan, we’ve never had a full-spectrum conservative to vote for in a national election.

    Reagan ran huge deficits. Of course, when Bush43 spent $9T on wars and bank bailouts, we had to reset the bar.

    Whatever Bush 43 spent on wars the debt increased by $5T during his admin, not $9T. And not all that debt increase was due to the wars.

    • #168
  19. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Medicare Part D was a 9 trillion instant unfunded liability. Karl rove thought of it so they could finish off Iraq.

    H. R. Gross is just as dead as Daniel Patrick Moynihan. It’s been like this for a long time. 

    • #169
  20. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    And Trump’s deregulation was better than the Bush tax cuts. I suspect it was much better for the debt long-term, or would have been had our politicians not decided to order lots of people to stop working in 2020.

    We were running a trillion dollar deficit in 2019, before Covid hit. We had close to full employment and a trillion dollar deficit.

    • #170
  21. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    And Trump’s deregulation was better than the Bush tax cuts. I suspect it was much better for the debt long-term, or would have been had our politicians not decided to order lots of people to stop working in 2020.

    We were running a trillion dollar deficit in 2019, before Covid hit. We had close to full employment and a trillion dollar deficit.

    This is our new system. Greenspan started it around 1996.

    Voting and idealism is a waste of time.

    • #171
  22. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    And Trump’s deregulation was better than the Bush tax cuts. I suspect it was much better for the debt long-term, or would have been had our politicians not decided to order lots of people to stop working in 2020.

    We were running a trillion dollar deficit in 2019, before Covid hit. We had close to full employment and a trillion dollar deficit.

    Trump was bad on the debt. I’ve always said so. If you are trying to object to anything I said, I fail to see how your remarks are relevant to what I actually said. (Maybe you missed the “long-term” bit.)

    • #172
  23. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    Saint Augustine (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    Bush’s $500 billion deficits weren’t okay but they were orders of magnitude better than Trump’s multi-trillion dollar deficits.

    And Trump’s deregulation was better than the Bush tax cuts. I suspect it was much better for the debt long-term, or would have been had our politicians not decided to order lots of people to stop working in 2020.

    We were running a trillion dollar deficit in 2019, before Covid hit. We had close to full employment and a trillion dollar deficit.

    Trump was bad on the debt. I’ve always said so. If you are trying to object to anything I said, I fail to see how your remarks are relevant to what I actually said.

    There is no political alternative to creating excess spending to force the Fed to print to keep the asset bubble intact. 

    • #173
  24. OccupantCDN Coolidge
    OccupantCDN
    @OccupantCDN

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    I vote in every election and more often than not my candidate loses. I live in a district that hasn’t gone Republican since before I was born and later this year I will be old enough to start collecting SS. I don’t owe you or Trump a damn thing, especially because I have a significant dispute regarding a number of Trump’s policies.

    This might be the year that changes. Did you hear? A Texas republican won a house seat that had been democrat for 100 years, and went for Biden by 13 points. She won by 8.

    This might be your year.

    • #174
  25. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    I vote in every election and more often than not my candidate loses. I live in a district that hasn’t gone Republican since before I was born and later this year I will be old enough to start collecting SS. I don’t owe you or Trump a damn thing, especially because I have a significant dispute regarding a number of Trump’s policies.

    This might be the year that changes. Did you hear? A Texas republican won a house seat that had been democrat for 100 years, and went for Biden by 13 points. She won by 8.

    This might be your year.

    I heard. Connecticut isn’t Texas. That said, the frontrunner for the nomination to run in the Senate race against Blumenthal is a  woman for whom I will happily cast my ballot if she’s the candidate. I don’t even know who the GOP nominee will be against my Congresscritter but I’m 99% certain to vote for whoever he or she is.

    • #175
  26. OccupantCDN Coolidge
    OccupantCDN
    @OccupantCDN

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    OccupantCDN (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    I vote in every election and more often than not my candidate loses. I live in a district that hasn’t gone Republican since before I was born and later this year I will be old enough to start collecting SS. I don’t owe you or Trump a damn thing, especially because I have a significant dispute regarding a number of Trump’s policies.

    This might be the year that changes. Did you hear? A Texas republican won a house seat that had been democrat for 100 years, and went for Biden by 13 points. She won by 8.

    This might be your year.

    I heard. Connecticut isn’t Texas. That said, the frontrunner for the nomination to run in the Senate race against Blumenthal is a woman for whom I will happily cast my ballot if she’s the candidate. I don’t even know who the GOP nominee will be against my Congresscritter but I’m 99% certain to vote for whoever he or she is.

    Connecticut is not Texas – fair point.  But its also not Massachusetts (1 of 2 states not to go for Reagan in 1984) … I think Biden is so unpopular that this mid term election will be a historic beat down. Even the historically safest seats are up for grabs.

    • #176
Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.