What’s the Deal with College Educated Women?

 

As every other group seems to be moving away from the outright catastrophe that is the Brandon Administrion, support for his party is conspicuously increasing among one demographic group.

Why is this demographic group so cultishly loyal to Democrats? Perhaps they are more susceptible to the left-wing social indoctrination of higher education. Perhaps they are over-represented in public employees (particularly public education) and are l0yal to the party of Government. It could also have a lot to do with class conformity and status seeking.

I am going to lay another acronym down, and I know these are confusing to some. The acronym is AWFL: Affluent White Female Liberal or Leftist. These are the women who treat wearing masks in public as a secular religion; the women who populate HOA boards; the women who watch The View; the women who shop at Whole Foods; the women who want the $200,000 loans they took out to pay for their Art History degrees canceled. They are strong, independent women who live in constant terror of being ostracized from their fellow AWFLs for failing to conform.

Highly paid political consultants tell their Republican clients that “suburban women” are the voters they need to target. Their turnout is high, relative to other demographic groups; and they love Government spending (yea!), they hate “divisive social issues” (“boo-hiss”), and they want to see politicians “work across the aisle,” or at least they that’s what they want, but then they vote in large numbers for radical, partisan Democrats.

I’m not a highly paid political consultant, but I don’t think there’s a good ROI (Return On Investment) in pursuing box-wine swilling suburban AWFLs who don’t vote based on policy, but based on their perception of their social status. I would advise Republicans to turn out higher numbers of other voters, in particular, working-class men of all ethnicities. A well-crafted message could probably get 8-9 of these men to the polls for the cost of persuading one box-wine swiller to change her vote; if she is willing to do so.

Republicans have shown a distinct distaste for working-class voters. Every time a Dispatch pundit sneers at “Populism,” Jonah is really sneering at those grubby, working-class voters who probably eat at Waffle House and have no idea the name of a good Barolo to pair with a truffle salad.

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  1. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Number of children.

    Talk about creating an incentive to have kids.

    Maybe the parents get the kids’ votes until the kids are old enough to take it on themselves.

    My momma assures me that once a parent, always a parent, so they keep it for life.

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  2. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Number of children.

    Talk about creating an incentive to have kids.

    Maybe the parents get the kids’ votes until the kids are old enough to take it on themselves.

    My momma assures me that once a parent, always a parent, so they keep it for life.

    So the parents don’t get their own vote, just the kids’?

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  3. Arahant Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    So the parents don’t get their own vote, just the kids’?

    No, they get to cancel out their kids’ votes. Plus have their own.

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    So the parents don’t get their own vote, just the kids’?

    No, they get to cancel out their kids’ votes. Plus have their own.

    But the kids get the last laugh, when they have kids that cancel out their parents’ votes.

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  5. hoowitts Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    Should people be allowed more than one vote depending on how invested they are?

    Since our govt. is so fond of the progressive tax brackets…and the richest find all the loopholes to reduce taxes…have a progressive (weighted) vote that correlates to your amount of taxes paid. Anyone paying 30% + tax rate ought to have, at minimum, 3 times the say on how this representative government spends their money.

    No taxes – 1 vote (every ‘legal’ citizen continues to get their vote)

    0-10% – 2 votes.

    11-15% -3 votes.

    16-20% -4 votes.

    21-25% – 5 votes.

    2- 30% – 6 votes.

    31 – 35% – 7 votes.

    36% and up 8 votes.

    Let’s flip the old phrase on it’s head and truly align taxation with representation.

    Talk about incentivizing paying taxes ;-)

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    hoowitts (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Should people be allowed more than one vote depending on how invested they are?

    Since our govt. is so fond of the progressive tax brackets…and the richest find all the loopholes to reduce taxes…have a progressive (weighted) vote that correlates to your amount of taxes paid. Anyone paying 30% + tax rate ought to have, at minimum, 3 times the say on how this representative government spends their money.

    No taxes – 1 vote (every ‘legal’ citizen continues to get their vote)

    0-10% – 2 votes.

    11-15% -3 votes.

    16-20% -4 votes.

    21-25% – 5 votes.

    2- 30% – 6 votes.

    31 – 35% – 7 votes.

    36% and up 8 votes.

    Let’s flip the old phrase on it’s head and truly align taxation with representation.

    Talk about incentivizing paying taxes ;-)

    A lot of people today are so ignorant, they’ll claim you want to disenfranchise them because they get a “refund” each year.

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  7. Stad Coolidge
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    Interesting chart.  I’d like to see it broken down further into married and single . . .

     

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  8. Judge Mental Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Interesting chart. I’d like to see it broken down further into married and single . . .

     

    I’m wondering…

    What does College+ mean?  Why the plus sign?  It seems like it might mean more than just an Associates or Bachelors degree.  Is there a missing category here?

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  9. EJHill Podcaster
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    I was reading an interesting take on Éric Zemmour’s collapse in the French election. He presented himself as a populist to take votes away from Le Pen and then catered to the bourgeoisie ruling elites. Absolutely cratered.

    Its not a coalition that you can build. 

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  10. hoowitts Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Interesting chart. I’d like to see it broken down further into married and single . . .

     

    Again, all related to the ‘tax breaks’. Do you want the child tax credit or 2 more votes in November?

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  11. CuriousKevmo Inactive
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    I work with more than a few such women.  I notice a few themes:

    1 – They seem to be overly negative if not outright depressed

    2 – They seem to be in an endless struggle to think better of themselves

    3-As one poster mentioned, abortion.  When that topic comes up, their entire posture changes, the eyes turn to dagger’s they are just waiting to pounce.  It’s creepy.

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Interesting chart. I’d like to see it broken down further into married and single . . .

    I’m wondering…

    What does College+ mean? Why the plus sign? It seems like it might mean more than just an Associates or Bachelors degree. Is there a missing category here?

    My guess would be, a college degree or beyond.  Which would include post-grad work, and/or an advanced degree such as Master’s.  Some things break it down into separate categories for just high-school only, some college, a 4-year degree, some post-grad, vs an actual advanced degree.  This one doesn’t.

    But it does leave open the possibility that maybe they’re trying to hide something.  Like, maybe only women with the most-advanced degrees, are shifting more towards the Dims.  But they group them all together to cover that up.

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  13. Stad Coolidge
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Interesting chart. I’d like to see it broken down further into married and single . . .

     

    I’m wondering…

    What does College+ mean? Why the plus sign? It seems like it might mean more than just an Associates or Bachelors degree. Is there a missing category here?

    Got to be BS and higher . . .

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  14. Arahant Member
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    Stad (View Comment):
    Got to be BS and higher . . .

    Or BA and higher.

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  15. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
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    The Republicans are making inroads into college educated women over COVID, CRT and schools.  They should not give up but intensify their efforts.  From the WSJ:

     

    “BRIDGEWATER, N.J.—Democrat Jennifer Loughran spent the pandemic’s early days sewing face masks for neighbors. Last month, as a newly elected school-board member, she voted to lift the district’s mask mandate. That came four months after she voted for the state’s Republican candidate for governor.

    After a monthslong political identity crisis, Ms. Loughran decided her opposition to her party’s mask mandates, economic restrictions and school-closure policies outweighed her support for positions on climate change, abortion and gay rights, at least for the moment.”

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  16. Stad Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):
    Got to be BS and higher . . .

    Or BA and higher.

    I wonder where 2-year degrees fit in . . .

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  17. Arahant Member
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    Stad (View Comment):
    I wonder where 2-year degrees fit in . . .

    🧐 You aren’t trying those weird sexual experiments again, are you?

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  18. Jim Kearney Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    I think conservatives should not underestimate the importance to them of being able to abort

    Most insightful, WC, even as we come at the issue from opposite sides.

    It’s absolutely unthinkable for the vast majority of educated women in our country that they might not be able to pass on to subsequent generations the legal right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, and exercise the choice of reproduction on a schedule of their own. This right has been in place now for about 50 years, and it’s going to become much more emotional on the pro-choice side if jeopardized.

    As pro-choice men like myself get older, we’ve detached from this (presumably settled) issue enough to let other matters — just about everything else — sway us to push for GOP majorities. With women, on the other hand, it’s an issue tied in to personal identity and the movement for liberation, a generation’s signature accomplishment made manifest in their careers, partner commitments, and the children they did have.

    Now we seem unavoidably headed toward a showdown (“Roe-down”?) If Roberts, Kavanaugh & Co. cross the viability Rubicon and bodyslam stare decisis, my own partisan certitude will brace for the ensuing shitstorm. (But I’m not at all sure that will happen.)

    Beyond reproductive rights, I think there are other reasons why women more than men find it difficult to switch political teams in mid-life, despite all the good reasons to do so:

    1. Women are carers. In our culture it’s traditionally the father who tells the kids to get out of the house and support themselves as adults, and the mother who slips them the key “just in case.” Women aren’t any good at tough love for their own, and most are not very good at demanding it of others, either. Sorry to generalize, but see the voting data.
    2. Women are talented avoiders of controversy. Who changes the topic when political unpleasantness comes up at a social gathering? Women! Who kicks us under the table when a gent says something which could irritate the Democrat dinner companions? His lady! And who, in workplaces filled with liberal women they hug and support and provide with deep friendships, never ever go deep on subjects pertaining to public policy? Lots of conflict-averse educated women, the long term consensus-seekers who are only now learning that certain conversations just must be had, or else a band of lunatics will brainwash the children, freakify their very gender and race identities, and vote petty tyrants onto the school board so as to tape the parents’ mouths shut.
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  19. Dr. Bastiat Member
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    Jim Kearney (View Comment):
    It’s absolutely unthinkable for the vast majority of educated women in our country that they might not be able to pass on to subsequent generations the legal right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy

    I don’t think that’s quite right.

    More men are pro-choice than women.  Which is perfectly understandable, of course.  I’ve had a few lady friends tell me that they were pro-choice until they felt their first baby kick while pregnant.  Men understand the idea, but not quite on that level, I suppose.

    And support for abortion, especially among women, falls well short of “vast majority”.  I don’t have the numbers in front of me – perhaps someone else does?  But I’m pretty sure that support for abortion is well under 50% for men and women.  

    I think.  I apologize if I have that wrong.

    But if memory serves, support for abortion falls well short of “vast majority”, even in men.

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jim Kearney (View Comment):
    As pro-choice men like myself get older, we’ve detached from this (presumably settled) issue enough to let other matters — just about everything else — sway us to push for GOP majorities. With women, on the other hand, it’s an issue tied in to personal identity and the movement for liberation, a generation’s signature accomplishment made manifest in their careers, partner commitments, and the children they did have.

    This pro-choice argument sounds very similar to a pro-slavery argument.

    And I know people like eugenicist and Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger wanted that, but why would hopefully-sensible people go along with it, even enthusiastically?

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  21. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Jim Kearney (View Comment):

    1. Women are carers.

    Except for when they want to kill their unborn kids.

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Jim Kearney (View Comment):

    1. Women are carers.

    Except for when they want to kill their unborn kids.

    And the ones who sometimes beat or starve their born kids, sometimes to death…

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  23. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Jim Kearney (View Comment):
    Women are talented avoiders of controversy. Who changes the topic when political unpleasantness comes up at a social gathering? Women! Who kicks us under the table when a gent says something which could irritate the Democrat dinner companions? His lady! And who, in workplaces filled with liberal women they hug and support and provide with deep friendships, never ever go deep on subjects pertaining to public policy?

    I must be a man. 

    Remember the “must not mention the war” Fawlty Towers episode? In our household, it’s when someone comes to the door selling solar panels that my family cringes and begs me not to answer.

    My mother’s family (3 females, 2 males) loved a good fight argument, so I must have gotten it from her.

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  24. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Jim Kearney (View Comment):
    It’s absolutely unthinkable for the vast majority of educated women in our country that they might not be able to pass on to subsequent generations the legal right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, and exercise the choice of reproduction on a schedule of their own.

    Of course, there are other options besides solving your problems by killing children.

    She can avoid the problem in the first place by practicing chastity and waiting until she’s married to have relations. She can even use birth control responsibly, although my stated position is the contraceptive mentality is the precursor to abortion on demand. Or, she can carry the baby to term and put it up for adoption. There are way more couples wanting to adopt than there are babies available. 

    All of the above options will make her a better person and the world a better place.

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Jim Kearney (View Comment):
    It’s absolutely unthinkable for the vast majority of educated women in our country that they might not be able to pass on to subsequent generations the legal right to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, and exercise the choice of reproduction on a schedule of their own.

    Of course, there are other options besides solving your problems by killing children.

    She can avoid the problem in the first place by practicing chastity and waiting until she’s married to have relations. She can even use birth control responsibly, although my stated position is the contraceptive mentality is the precursor to abortion on demand. Or, she can carry the baby to term and put it up for adoption. There are way more couples wanting to adopt than there are babies available.

    All of the above options will make her a better person and the world a better place.

    Another argument is that people already make their choice when they engage in unprotected sex, etc.  After that, it can become assuming the risk of the choices made.

    If you go drunk driving, for example, and crash and kill someone, you don’t get the “choice” of making that not happen.

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  26. EHerring Coolidge
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    I  think men push abortion more. They get free sex and no responsibilities. One day women will realize they aren’t liberate but are underpaid prostitutes.

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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    genferei (View Comment):

    While the arguments for resisting extending the franchise to women were obviously specious, it’s interesting to see how the behaviour of some groups of women is consistent with the predictions of the opponents of women’s suffrage.

    I have been one of “those” women who have argued that the end of the Republic began with women’s suffrage. People think I’m kidding. . .

    I don’t know about the end of the republic, but the beginning of the welfare state certainly did begin with it, and as a direct result. 

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  28. Western Chauvinist Member
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    W Bob (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    genferei (View Comment):

    While the arguments for resisting extending the franchise to women were obviously specious, it’s interesting to see how the behaviour of some groups of women is consistent with the predictions of the opponents of women’s suffrage.

    I have been one of “those” women who have argued that the end of the Republic began with women’s suffrage. People think I’m kidding. . .

    I don’t know about the end of the republic, but the beginning of the welfare state certainly did begin with it, and as a direct result.

    Same thing.

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  29. W Bob Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    W Bob (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    genferei (View Comment):

    While the arguments for resisting extending the franchise to women were obviously specious, it’s interesting to see how the behaviour of some groups of women is consistent with the predictions of the opponents of women’s suffrage.

    I have been one of “those” women who have argued that the end of the Republic began with women’s suffrage. People think I’m kidding. . .

    I don’t know about the end of the republic, but the beginning of the welfare state certainly did begin with it, and as a direct result.

    Same thing.

    You can console yourself with the fact that men gave women the vote, so it’s ultimately their fault. 

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