What’s the Deal with College Educated Women?

 

As every other group seems to be moving away from the outright catastrophe that is the Brandon Administrion, support for his party is conspicuously increasing among one demographic group.

Why is this demographic group so cultishly loyal to Democrats? Perhaps they are more susceptible to the left-wing social indoctrination of higher education. Perhaps they are over-represented in public employees (particularly public education) and are l0yal to the party of Government. It could also have a lot to do with class conformity and status seeking.

I am going to lay another acronym down, and I know these are confusing to some. The acronym is AWFL: Affluent White Female Liberal or Leftist. These are the women who treat wearing masks in public as a secular religion; the women who populate HOA boards; the women who watch The View; the women who shop at Whole Foods; the women who want the $200,000 loans they took out to pay for their Art History degrees canceled. They are strong, independent women who live in constant terror of being ostracized from their fellow AWFLs for failing to conform.

Highly paid political consultants tell their Republican clients that “suburban women” are the voters they need to target. Their turnout is high, relative to other demographic groups; and they love Government spending (yea!), they hate “divisive social issues” (“boo-hiss”), and they want to see politicians “work across the aisle,” or at least they that’s what they want, but then they vote in large numbers for radical, partisan Democrats.

I’m not a highly paid political consultant, but I don’t think there’s a good ROI (Return On Investment) in pursuing box-wine swilling suburban AWFLs who don’t vote based on policy, but based on their perception of their social status. I would advise Republicans to turn out higher numbers of other voters, in particular, working-class men of all ethnicities. A well-crafted message could probably get 8-9 of these men to the polls for the cost of persuading one box-wine swiller to change her vote; if she is willing to do so.

Republicans have shown a distinct distaste for working-class voters. Every time a Dispatch pundit sneers at “Populism,” Jonah is really sneering at those grubby, working-class voters who probably eat at Waffle House and have no idea the name of a good Barolo to pair with a truffle salad.

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  1. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Most of the smartest women I know don’t have college degrees, including Mrs. Guerra, who walked away from her degree ( grades were way better than mine) to raise our family. 

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  2. Arahant Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    I have been one of “those” women who have argued that the end of the Republic began with women’s suffrage. People think I’m kidding. . .

    That and the direct election of Senators and the income tax.

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  3. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):
    Missing the point entirely. These women don’t vote based on policy, they vote “the personal is political.”

    I’m inclined to reject the notion that “these women” are as monolithic as you seem to believe.

    (Or perhaps you just have a hell of a lot more experience with a hell of a lot more women than I do.)

    The discussion of religion is germane here. Higher education is inculcating a secular (although increasingly less secular) neopagan religion which is bidding to replace Christianity as Christianity replaced classical paganism. Success as a student in these secular seminaries depends in large part on scrupulous adherence to the theology, and in particular, on staying current with that theology’s increasing fundamentalism.

    Enrollment in higher education is disproportionately female, and the trend is increasing. Prolonged enrollment correlates with greater adherence to Woke theology, which is highly evangelical. Wokism is the official religion of the Democrat Party and becomes the state religion wherever the Democrats have political control.

    Why wouldn’t the (disproportionately female) adherents of that religion support the Party most aligned with their religious beliefs?

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  4. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    genferei (View Comment):

    While the arguments for resisting extending the franchise to women were obviously specious, it’s interesting to see how the behaviour of some groups of women is consistent with the predictions of the opponents of women’s suffrage.

    Then what makes you think they were specious?

    The way I sometimes put it is, if women voting does lead eventually/inevitably to socialism (or worse), was it worth losing Western Civilization so that women could feel good about themselves – “empowered” or whatever- for ~100 years?

    If “Western Civilization” kept women from voting and feeling empowered, our Prog masters would (and do) say “good riddance.”

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  5. hoowitts Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    But lastly and mostly, I’m not sure that it follows that we should pay less attention to the educated-female demographic. If they’re only slowly shifting left, perhaps it would take relatively little to stop that migration, and relatively little more to reverse it. After all, we’re making inroads with other traditionally Democrat-supporting minorities, why not with college+ women as well?

    I have a sneaking suspicion that what it takes to attract regular people and minorities, and what it takes to attract college+ women, might just be mutually exclusive.

    Could be. But I suspect that they’re different, but not mutually exclusive.

    You mean like “fiscally conservative, but socially liberal?” The problem there is that “socially liberal” is very expensive. So they are, indeed, mutually exclusive.

    If one believes that the lives of “college+” women would be better under good conservative governance than under the shambles of Democratic rule, then it seems to me that it should be possible to package that message in an effective way — effective, at least, for a few percent of the college+ women. And that would be enough to reverse the trend.

    It might require a bit more creativity and effort on our part.

    The main problem may be a reluctance among the people being targeted, to take care of themselves, vs having “Uncle Sugar” do it for them. No matter how you package it, self-reliance is scary to some people. Probably especially college+ single women.

    I am happy to make statistically sound generalizations about large groups. But we’re talking about a small shift, and a lot of individual women. I am pretty sure that we can find points of serious agreement with a substantial number of college educated women, if we make the effort.

    But I wouldn’t be surprised if the amount of what amounts to acceptance of dependency for those women necessary to get them to flip, would alienate a greater number of other voters. And, when it comes to accepting dependency, the Dims would likely always be able to outbid us.

    Change the voter focus in this exchange to ‘black’ or ‘minority’ and we see the long-standing flaw of conservatives either ignoring or seeing these voting blocs as too monolithic to be worth the effort. Are we going to repeat this error with the AWFLs?  Henry’s point is spot on – the message shouldn’t have to change but make an effort? Yes.

    Recall this:

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  6. Doctor Robert Member
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    1. I don’t think there’s any difference in the women’s 2018 and 2022 data.  Two and four point “changes” are likely within sampling error.

    2. If these data are true, then the much-predicted GOP tsunami is not gonna happen.   Assuming equal numbers of college-educated and non-college-educated men and women, and that equal numbers of men and women vote, the overall tally there is Dem +9.

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  7. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    It’s been said that single women tend to “marry the government” and I would think that if women – perhaps especially “educated” women – think things are getting riskier around them (more expensive, higher unemployment, etc) which Brandon is certainly doing, they’d (foolishly) turn MORE TO the government rather than away from it. As a “normal” woman might seek to depend more on her husband and other relatives.

    What Would Julia Do? 

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  8. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    But lastly and mostly, I’m not sure that it follows that we should pay less attention to the educated-female demographic. If they’re only slowly shifting left, perhaps it would take relatively little to stop that migration, and relatively little more to reverse it. After all, we’re making inroads with other traditionally Democrat-supporting minorities, why not with college+ women as well?

    I have a sneaking suspicion that what it takes to attract regular people and minorities, and what it takes to attract college+ women, might just be mutually exclusive.

    Could be. But I suspect that they’re different, but not mutually exclusive.

    You mean like “fiscally conservative, but socially liberal?” The problem there is that “socially liberal” is very expensive. So they are, indeed, mutually exclusive.

    If one believes that the lives of “college+” women would be better under good conservative governance than under the shambles of Democratic rule, then it seems to me that it should be possible to package that message in an effective way — effective, at least, for a few percent of the college+ women. And that would be enough to reverse the trend.

    It might require a bit more creativity and effort on our part.

    Here’s a workable starting point. 

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  9. BDB Inactive
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    Haven’t gone through comments yet.  I will, but later.  
    Post-Baccalaureate women have likely committed to career over family, even if only subconsciously. They already know that the one man who will never leave them is Uncle Sam.  

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  10. Victor Tango Kilo Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I’m inclined to reject the notion that “these women” are as monolithic as you seem to believe.

    (Or perhaps you just have a hell of a lot more experience with a hell of a lot more women than I do.)

    1. The GOP does not have infinite resources or any meaningful media influence to get their message to surburban women. This isn’t about the philosophical question of whether AWFLs can be converted to Republican voters. It’s about ROI. If you can get 10 more voters from other demographics to vote Republican for the cost of flipping one AWFL, the other voting demographics are a better investment. (And I think the ratio is much higher.) 
    2. If pandering to suburban women requires that Republicans abandon conservative ideas, then they not only lose the principled argument, but likely turn off a lot of other current and potential GOP voters. 
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  11. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Irreligious women are particularly susceptible to looking to the State as their source of comfort and charity. And our society is increasingly irreligious, which I think explains a lot about the voting trends among women.

    This may be the demographic that is hardest to reach.  In my experience it is the college educated, single with no kids that are completely wedded to the democrat-socialist lie.  They have a faux spirit of generosity because they support large government programs.  Of course all the taxpayers pick up the tab.

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  12. David Foster Member
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    But lastly and mostly, I’m not sure that it follows that we should pay less attention to the educated-female demographic. If they’re only slowly shifting left, perhaps it would take relatively little to stop that migration, and relatively little more to reverse it. After all, we’re making inroads with other traditionally Democrat-supporting minorities, why not with college+ women as well?

    I have a sneaking suspicion that what it takes to attract regular people and minorities, and what it takes to attract college+ women, might just be mutually exclusive.

    Could be. But I suspect that they’re different, but not mutually exclusive.

    You mean like “fiscally conservative, but socially liberal?” The problem there is that “socially liberal” is very expensive. So they are, indeed, mutually exclusive.

    If one believes that the lives of “college+” women would be better under good conservative governance than under the shambles of Democratic rule, then it seems to me that it should be possible to package that message in an effective way — effective, at least, for a few percent of the college+ women. And that would be enough to reverse the trend.

    It might require a bit more creativity and effort on our part.

    Here’s a workable starting point.

    Was there supposed to be a link?…didn’t see one.

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  13. David Foster Member
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    Democrats basically assert that highly-educated (or at least highly-credentialed) people should be assigned high status and deferred to for that status, like a traditional nobility.  (Part of the reason for the hostility toward Trump was that he did not so defer)  So people with degrees and high status anxiety will tend to be drawn to the Democrats.

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  14. MarciN Member
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    David Foster (View Comment):

    Democrats basically assert that highly-educated (or at least highly-credentialed) people should be assigned high status and deferred to for that status, like a traditional nobility. (Part of the reason for the hostility toward Trump was that he did not so defer) So people with degrees and high status anxiety will tend to be drawn to the Democrats.

    It’s also partly the effect of who gets chosen. I work in a lot of different fields, and I am always amused at the similarity in personality of the people who make up a particular professional field. It is something I’ve found interesting over the years. Knowing that the modern SAT is a step-child of personality tests (the IQ test part of it came out of the assessment for G, which was a measure of motivation), I’ve further wondered if the SATs didn’t inadvertently sort out the student population not by academic potential but by personality. :-) (So goes the law of unintended consequences. It would be really funny if I’m right about this, that they missed measuring academic potential and instead got some sort of uniform personality. :-) )

    At any rate, who does well on standardized testing determines who gets chosen for college interviews and who gets chosen ultimately for admission. Thus the professional fields strengthen and perpetuate themselves. And it goes on and on, throughout the postgraduate job market. The interviewers like people like themselves in personality. It is self-reinforcing all the way up the chain.

    It’s the opposite of creating a diverse student body and later a diverse professional body of thought. To me, it explains how, for example, the pediatric psychiatry field has gone so far down the transgender rabbit hole and also the dopamine-affecting psychiatric medicines for little kids (long story). There’s no argument within the field. It doesn’t exist and it’s not allowed anyway. It’s a uniform body of belief and practice.

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  15. EHerring Coolidge
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    Sending some women to college is like a person on depressants drinking alcohol…overdose. 

    Women are created to care and nurture. They seek security. Democrats play to that need. Women used to have that need filled by assuming traditional roles in the home. Having escaped into the working world, they are satisfying that need in their new family, the Dem Party. 

    I, too, have had fun dismissing suffrage as an overall liability to my good life because of the number of women who vote against my wishes. At least 40% of us aren’t suckered by the Democrats. 

    Finally, some of my fellow women are stupid and emotionally immature. They create more drama in the workplace than men, usually. With the feminization of men, they are developing their own drama creds, too.

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  16. MarciN Member
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    I am wondering about the women who were polled too.  Every study I’ve seen in the past has concluded that women small business owners vote Republican. Also a lot of mothers do, which makes sense since it’s mothers who get an accurate understanding of how to move people from dependence to independence and who understand the importance of independence to lifelong well-being. :-)

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  17. Raxxalan Member
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    EHerring (View Comment):
    Finally, some of my fellow women are stupid and emotionally immature. They create more drama in the workplace than men, usually. With the feminization of men, they are developing their own drama creds, too.

    Mostly of my co-workers are millennials and college educated.  I definitely see an increase in drama from both sexes in this category.  It is part of the reason for the woke struggle sessions lead by HR.  Most of my fellow Gen-Xers roll our eyes at these, but the kids take them to heart and Management tolerates them.  I have a seething resentment for this because it feels like I am back in High School.

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  18. David Foster Member
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    Perhaps related: Bad Eagle’s Question

     

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  19. EHerring Coolidge
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    This Ricochet post answers a lot. 
    https://ricochet.com/1215003/freedoms-bane/#respond

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  20. Kephalithos Member
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    Here’s my own personal theory: Women are more likely than men to turn personal virtues — virtues like compassion, virtues best exercised in intimate relationships — into political ideals. In other words, women often treat the political sphere like the home, and they treat political constituencies like children in need of nurturing. Instead of seeing the political arena as a place where strangers resolve practical disputes, they expect politics to solve interpersonal problems, attend to human needs, or foster a sense of identity. This is why radical feminism looks so weirdly “domestic” — because it is. Just take a look at the arguments for abolishing the family.

    Because so many women are ideologically unmoored from religion and traditional society, and because we live in such an atomized world, the impulse runs wild, with no limiting principle.

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  21. David Foster Member
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    Kephalithos (View Comment):

    Here’s my own personal theory: Women are more likely than men to turn personal virtues — virtues like compassion, virtues best exercised in intimate relationships — into political ideals. In other words, women often treat the political sphere like the home, and they treat political constituencies like children in need of nurturing. Instead of seeing the political arena as a place where strangers resolve practical disputes, they expect politics to solve interpersonal problems, attend to human needs, or foster a sense of identity. This is why radical feminism looks so weirdly “domestic” — because it is. Just take a look at the arguments for abolishing the family.

     

    Yet the same ‘progressives’ who want to think of government as being like a family are very often also those who want to turn all personal relationships into something political and rule-governed…’the personal is political’.  The objective seems to be to turn Gemeinschaften into Gesellschaften, and to turn Gesellschaften into Gemeinschaften.

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  22. David Foster Member
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    This survey is from a couple of years ago, but has a lot more detail than the MSNBC piece.  

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  23. Flicker Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    genferei (View Comment):

    While the arguments for resisting extending the franchise to women were obviously specious, it’s interesting to see how the behaviour of some groups of women is consistent with the predictions of the opponents of women’s suffrage.

    I have been one of “those” women who have argued that the end of the Republic began with women’s suffrage. People think I’m kidding. . .

    So you don’t favor lowering the voting age to 16, I take it.

    The bigger question is by what criteria should anyone be allowed to vote?

    Should people be allowed more than one vote depending on how invested they are?  Maybe men should get a second vote if they hold a job.  And a third vote if they own property.

    And another vote if they’re over 65?

    There are lots of rational potential categories for additional votes.  Number of children.  Business owners.  No net indebtedness.  (I won’t mention number of wives.)

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  24. Arahant Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    Number of children.

    Talk about creating an incentive to have kids.

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  25. Flicker Coolidge
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Victor Tango Kilo (View Comment):
    Missing the point entirely. These women don’t vote based on policy, they vote “the personal is political.”

    I’m inclined to reject the notion that “these women” are as monolithic as you seem to believe.

    (Or perhaps you just have a hell of a lot more experience with a hell of a lot more women than I do.)

    The discussion of religion is germane here. Higher education is inculcating a secular (although increasingly less secular) neopagan religion which is bidding to replace Christianity as Christianity replaced classical paganism. Success as a student in these secular seminaries depends in large part on scrupulous adherence to the theology, and in particular, on staying current with that theology’s increasing fundamentalism.

    Enrollment in higher education is disproportionately female, and the trend is increasing. Prolonged enrollment correlates with greater adherence to Woke theology, which is highly evangelical. Wokism is the official religion of the Democrat Party and becomes the state religion wherever the Democrats have political control.

    Why wouldn’t the (disproportionately female) adherents of that religion support the Party most aligned with their religious beliefs?

    Who’s their god?  Woki?

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  26. Flicker Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    David Foster (View Comment):

    Democrats basically assert that highly-educated (or at least highly-credentialed) people should be assigned high status and deferred to for that status, like a traditional nobility. (Part of the reason for the hostility toward Trump was that he did not so defer) So people with degrees and high status anxiety will tend to be drawn to the Democrats.

    It’s also partly the effect of who gets chosen. I work in a lot of different fields, and I am always amused at the similarity in personality of the people who make up a particular professional field. It is something I’ve found interesting over the years. Knowing that the modern SAT is a step-child of personality tests (the IQ test part of it came out of the assessment for G, which was a measure of motivation), I’ve further wondered if the SATs didn’t inadvertently sort out the student population not by academic potential but by personality. :-) (So goes the law of unintended consequences. It would be really funny if I’m right about this, that they missed measuring academic potential and instead got some sort of uniform personality. :-) )

    At any rate, who does well on standardized testing determines who gets chosen for college interviews and who gets chosen ultimately for admission. Thus the professional fields strengthen and perpetuate themselves. And it goes on and on, throughout the postgraduate job market. The interviewers like people like themselves in personality. It is self-reinforcing all the way up the chain.

    It’s the opposite of creating a diverse student body and later a diverse professional body of thought. To me, it explains how, for example, the pediatric psychiatry field has gone so far down the transgender rabbit hole and also the dopamine-affecting psychiatric medicines for little kids (long story). There’s no argument within the field. It doesn’t exist and it’s not allowed anyway. It’s a uniform body of belief and practice.

    Interesting.  Maybe IQ tests themselves test more for personality.  I wouldn’t be surprised at all.

    Is there any other psychological test that has a dinner society celebrating those who scored the highest on it?  :)

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  27. Henry Racette Member
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Number of children.

    Talk about creating an incentive to have kids.

    Yes, in the same sense that the promise of access to handicapped parking gives one an incentive to, say, shoot oneself in the foot.

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  28. Arahant Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Interesting.  Maybe IQ tests themselves test more for personality.  I wouldn’t be surprised at all.

    Is there any other psychological test that has a dinner society celebrating those who scored the highest on it?  :)

    If so, it isn’t the preferred personality of most of the world.

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  29. Flicker Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    Arahant (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Number of children.

    Talk about creating an incentive to have kids.

    Yes, in the same sense that the promise of access to handicapped parking gives one an incentive to, say, shoot oneself in the foot.

    That’s a little extreme.  You could, say, get a fake doctor’s note, which is easier, less painful, and less disabling.

    Maybe we could create a tax structure that incentivizes having children.  No, that would only work on people who pay taxes.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Arahant (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    Number of children.

    Talk about creating an incentive to have kids.

    Maybe the parents get the kids’ votes until the kids are old enough to take it on themselves.

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