Quote of the Day: Is Europe Finished?

 

Let’s cut through the diplo-speak: If Mr. Biden and the Europeans don’t get Ukraine right, Europe’s future is finished.

Putin is Hitler. He is attempting the extermination of a people and the obliteration of their cities. World War II wasn’t fought in Europe to prevent a future nuclear exchange between Russia and the U.S. It was fought because Europe was experiencing the indiscriminate murder of civilians under Nazi military doctrine, now revived by Mr. Putin and the Russian general staff.— Daniel Henninger

In an ambitious flurry of activity, Europe is speaking out and taking action against Vladimir Putin, canceling some of their commitments to him and stepping in to help Ukraine. Most of the Ukrainian refugees are landing in Poland, Hungary, and Slovakia. The EU has established an emergency protection system, offering jobs, shelter, and medical treatment. They have also worked at streamlining their entry procedures. The invasion of Putin has been criticized harshly, and Europe has stepped up.

But how long will they enthusiastically deal with this new reality?

At this writing, 4 million people have fled Ukraine; another 6.5 million people are displaced. It’s impossible to know how long the conflict will drag on, or whether the EU countries will be able to support millions of refugees, or how many of the Ukrainians will stay. Will they be able to find work? Will they be able to adjust if they choose to stay? Will they be welcomed by the various countries?

And will the U.S. make a sincere and reasonable effort to supply arms and compassionate support, and for how long?

And yet . . . and yet . . .

Does Europe really have a choice? Over time will they try to ignore the threats that Putin poses to the European continent?

Will they realize that helping Ukraine and Ukrainians and standing up to Putin could determine the very future of Europe?

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    So here in Ireland- which is part of Europe, politically at least- we are, for the first time ever, questioning our military neutrality. For decades we have presumed that if we came under attack, the US and UK would come to our aid. We have also presumed that our geographical location has made us immune. Now people aren’t so sure. A couple of Russian nuclear submarines in Galway Bay could be a game-changer. So now, people are seriously considering joining either NATO or an EU army (I’ll take the former, thank you).

    Our virtue signalling Government announced that we would take 200,000 Ukrainian refugees. This in a country with a massive housing crisis. Now it is clear we will struggle to accommodate 10,000, which is unfortunate, but might deter future grandiose claims

    The price of energy has gone through the roof. €2 or close for a litre of diesel. But our virtue-signalling Government refuses to postpone carbon tax increases due to hit in May, God help us.

    The far left here are taking an absolute drubbing. Their penchant for dictatorial regimes such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela has finally exposed them.

    But is Europe finished? No way! It has been the cradle of democracy for millennia and has survived much worse than Putin could ever inflict – at least as long as he sticks to conventional weapons. And all of the nation States, and just about all the people are united in condemnation of Russia and support for Ukraine. And this is spontaneous and real, not drilled into us by the EU or anyone else. A rare moment.

    Ultimately none of that matters, if you don’t have enough children.

    The latest number I found is 1.70 for 2019, and still dropping.

    One can only do what one can. Mrs Mark and I haven’t been found wanting I assure you.

    Well that’s good, but it is an average.  Which means even if you two had 4 or more, it means other couples had maybe none.  You’re doing it FOR them, and still falling behind.

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  2. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    So here in Ireland- which is part of Europe, politically at least- we are, for the first time ever, questioning our military neutrality. For decades we have presumed that if we came under attack, the US and UK would come to our aid. We have also presumed that our geographical location has made us immune. Now people aren’t so sure. A couple of Russian nuclear submarines in Galway Bay could be a game-changer. So now, people are seriously considering joining either NATO or an EU army (I’ll take the former, thank you).

    Our virtue signalling Government announced that we would take 200,000 Ukrainian refugees. This in a country with a massive housing crisis. Now it is clear we will struggle to accommodate 10,000, which is unfortunate, but might deter future grandiose claims

    The price of energy has gone through the roof. €2 or close for a litre of diesel. But our virtue-signalling Government refuses to postpone carbon tax increases due to hit in May, God help us.

    The far left here are taking an absolute drubbing. Their penchant for dictatorial regimes such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela has finally exposed them.

    But is Europe finished? No way! It has been the cradle of democracy for millennia and has survived much worse than Putin could ever inflict – at least as long as he sticks to conventional weapons. And all of the nation States, and just about all the people are united in condemnation of Russia and support for Ukraine. And this is spontaneous and real, not drilled into us by the EU or anyone else. A rare moment.

    Ultimately none of that matters, if you don’t have enough children.

    The latest number I found is 1.70 for 2019, and still dropping.

    It matters now. If Putin is not stopped now, there isn’t much point in having more children.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    So here in Ireland- which is part of Europe, politically at least- we are, for the first time ever, questioning our military neutrality. For decades we have presumed that if we came under attack, the US and UK would come to our aid. We have also presumed that our geographical location has made us immune. Now people aren’t so sure. A couple of Russian nuclear submarines in Galway Bay could be a game-changer. So now, people are seriously considering joining either NATO or an EU army (I’ll take the former, thank you).

    Our virtue signalling Government announced that we would take 200,000 Ukrainian refugees. This in a country with a massive housing crisis. Now it is clear we will struggle to accommodate 10,000, which is unfortunate, but might deter future grandiose claims

    The price of energy has gone through the roof. €2 or close for a litre of diesel. But our virtue-signalling Government refuses to postpone carbon tax increases due to hit in May, God help us.

    The far left here are taking an absolute drubbing. Their penchant for dictatorial regimes such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela has finally exposed them.

    But is Europe finished? No way! It has been the cradle of democracy for millennia and has survived much worse than Putin could ever inflict – at least as long as he sticks to conventional weapons. And all of the nation States, and just about all the people are united in condemnation of Russia and support for Ukraine. And this is spontaneous and real, not drilled into us by the EU or anyone else. A rare moment.

    Ultimately none of that matters, if you don’t have enough children.

    The latest number I found is 1.70 for 2019, and still dropping.

    It matters now. If Putin is not stopped now, there isn’t much point in having more children.

    One reason why Putin might not be stopped is because people haven’t been having enough children, for decades.

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  4. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    So here in Ireland- which is part of Europe, politically at least- we are, for the first time ever, questioning our military neutrality. For decades we have presumed that if we came under attack, the US and UK would come to our aid. We have also presumed that our geographical location has made us immune. Now people aren’t so sure. A couple of Russian nuclear submarines in Galway Bay could be a game-changer. So now, people are seriously considering joining either NATO or an EU army (I’ll take the former, thank you).

    Our virtue signalling Government announced that we would take 200,000 Ukrainian refugees. This in a country with a massive housing crisis. Now it is clear we will struggle to accommodate 10,000, which is unfortunate, but might deter future grandiose claims

    The price of energy has gone through the roof. €2 or close for a litre of diesel. But our virtue-signalling Government refuses to postpone carbon tax increases due to hit in May, God help us.

    The far left here are taking an absolute drubbing. Their penchant for dictatorial regimes such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela has finally exposed them.

    But is Europe finished? No way! It has been the cradle of democracy for millennia and has survived much worse than Putin could ever inflict – at least as long as he sticks to conventional weapons. And all of the nation States, and just about all the people are united in condemnation of Russia and support for Ukraine. And this is spontaneous and real, not drilled into us by the EU or anyone else. A rare moment.

    Ultimately none of that matters, if you don’t have enough children.

    The latest number I found is 1.70 for 2019, and still dropping.

    It matters now. If Putin is not stopped now, there isn’t much point in having more children.

    One reason why Putin might not be stopped is because people haven’t been having enough children, for decades.

    Lack of children isn’t what’s keeping anyone from stopping him. 

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Charles Mark (View Comment):

    So here in Ireland- which is part of Europe, politically at least- we are, for the first time ever, questioning our military neutrality. For decades we have presumed that if we came under attack, the US and UK would come to our aid. We have also presumed that our geographical location has made us immune. Now people aren’t so sure. A couple of Russian nuclear submarines in Galway Bay could be a game-changer. So now, people are seriously considering joining either NATO or an EU army (I’ll take the former, thank you).

    Our virtue signalling Government announced that we would take 200,000 Ukrainian refugees. This in a country with a massive housing crisis. Now it is clear we will struggle to accommodate 10,000, which is unfortunate, but might deter future grandiose claims

    The price of energy has gone through the roof. €2 or close for a litre of diesel. But our virtue-signalling Government refuses to postpone carbon tax increases due to hit in May, God help us.

    The far left here are taking an absolute drubbing. Their penchant for dictatorial regimes such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela has finally exposed them.

    But is Europe finished? No way! It has been the cradle of democracy for millennia and has survived much worse than Putin could ever inflict – at least as long as he sticks to conventional weapons. And all of the nation States, and just about all the people are united in condemnation of Russia and support for Ukraine. And this is spontaneous and real, not drilled into us by the EU or anyone else. A rare moment.

    Ultimately none of that matters, if you don’t have enough children.

    The latest number I found is 1.70 for 2019, and still dropping.

    It matters now. If Putin is not stopped now, there isn’t much point in having more children.

    One reason why Putin might not be stopped is because people haven’t been having enough children, for decades.

    Lack of children isn’t what’s keeping anyone from stopping him.

    It’s one reason for lack of resolve in other countries – they have less to protect – and may also be partly why Putin does things like this:  Russia’s population is shrinking, and this may be his/their last chance.

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  6. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    So here in Ireland- which is part of Europe, politically at least- we are, for the first time ever, questioning our military neutrality. For decades we have presumed that if we came under attack, the US and UK would come to our aid. We have also presumed that our geographical location has made us immune. Now people aren’t so sure. A couple of Russian nuclear submarines in Galway Bay could be a game-changer. So now, people are seriously considering joining either NATO or an EU army (I’ll take the former, thank you).

    Our virtue signalling Government announced that we would take 200,000 Ukrainian refugees. This in a country with a massive housing crisis. Now it is clear we will struggle to accommodate 10,000, which is unfortunate, but might deter future grandiose claims

    The price of energy has gone through the roof. €2 or close for a litre of diesel. But our virtue-signalling Government refuses to postpone carbon tax increases due to hit in May, God help us.

    The far left here are taking an absolute drubbing. Their penchant for dictatorial regimes such as Russia, Iran and Venezuela has finally exposed them.

    But is Europe finished? No way! It has been the cradle of democracy for millennia and has survived much worse than Putin could ever inflict – at least as long as he sticks to conventional weapons. And all of the nation States, and just about all the people are united in condemnation of Russia and support for Ukraine. And this is spontaneous and real, not drilled into us by the EU or anyone else. A rare moment.

    Ultimately none of that matters, if you don’t have enough children.

    The latest number I found is 1.70 for 2019, and still dropping.

    It matters now. If Putin is not stopped now, there isn’t much point in having more children.

    One reason why Putin might not be stopped is because people haven’t been having enough children, for decades.

    Lack of children isn’t what’s keeping anyone from stopping him.

    It’s one reason for lack of resolve in other countries – they have less to protect – and may also be partly why Putin does things like this: Russia’s population is shrinking, and this may be his/their last chance.

    As societies and social groups become wealthier, they have fewer children. You’re not likely to change that. So if you want the west to have more children, we need to become poorer. Or at least we need to stop becoming wealthier. It’s not clear that a wealthy people has more children once it  starts to become poorer, but I suppose we could try.  A good way to do that is to decentralize and erect trade barriers between and within nations.   I am in favor, but am not in favor of going to extremes, as that would make us vulnerable to all sorts of problems, too. 

    Maybe we should quit looking for deeper and deeper root causes and go to work to stop Putin.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    As societies and social groups become wealthier, they have fewer children. You’re not likely to change that. So if you want the west to have more children, we need to become poorer. Or at least we need to stop becoming wealthier. It’s not clear that a wealthy people has more children once it  starts to become poorer, but I suppose we could try.  A good way to do that is to decentralize and erect trade barriers between and within nations.   I am in favor, but am not in favor of going to extremes, as that would make us vulnerable to all sorts of problems, too. 

    Maybe we should quit looking for deeper and deeper root causes and go to work to stop Putin.

    That may be correlative but it’s not completely causative.  Arguably, the US is at least as wealthy as Europe, and yet the US birth rate hasn’t collapsed like Europe’s has.

    The best argument is likely that Europe is far more secular, non- and even anti-religious, etc.  Mark Steyn explains it well in his books, especially America Alone, and in interviews.  In effect, they don’t have children because they don’t believe in the/a future, as much as Americans do, especially conservative Americans.

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  8. Hang On Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    As societies and social groups become wealthier, they have fewer children. You’re not likely to change that. So if you want the west to have more children, we need to become poorer. Or at least we need to stop becoming wealthier. It’s not clear that a wealthy people has more children once it starts to become poorer, but I suppose we could try. A good way to do that is to decentralize and erect trade barriers between and within nations. I am in favor, but am not in favor of going to extremes, as that would make us vulnerable to all sorts of problems, too.

    Maybe we should quit looking for deeper and deeper root causes and go to work to stop Putin.

    That may be correlative but it’s not completely causative. Arguably, the US is at least as wealthy as Europe, and yet the US birth rate hasn’t collapsed like Europe’s has.

    The best argument is likely that Europe is far more secular, non- and even anti-religious, etc. Mark Steyn explains it well in his books, especially America Alone, and in interviews. In effect, they don’t have children because they don’t believe in the/a future, as much as Americans do, especially conservative Americans.

    The US birthrate is below replacement and falling quickly. It’s 1.7 at the moment. The 2020 census had the smallest population growth ever recorded and was entirely because of immigration. 

     

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  9. Western Chauvinist Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    As societies and social groups become wealthier, they have fewer children. You’re not likely to change that. So if you want the west to have more children, we need to become poorer. Or at least we need to stop becoming wealthier. It’s not clear that a wealthy people has more children once it starts to become poorer, but I suppose we could try. A good way to do that is to decentralize and erect trade barriers between and within nations. I am in favor, but am not in favor of going to extremes, as that would make us vulnerable to all sorts of problems, too.

    Maybe we should quit looking for deeper and deeper root causes and go to work to stop Putin.

    That may be correlative but it’s not completely causative. Arguably, the US is at least as wealthy as Europe, and yet the US birth rate hasn’t collapsed like Europe’s has.

    The best argument is likely that Europe is far more secular, non- and even anti-religious, etc. Mark Steyn explains it well in his books, especially America Alone, and in interviews. In effect, they don’t have children because they don’t believe in the/a future, as much as Americans do, especially conservative Americans.

    You mean they lack skin in the game? Huh. Who woulda thunk that was important?

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  10. Bob Thompson Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    As societies and social groups become wealthier, they have fewer children. You’re not likely to change that. So if you want the west to have more children, we need to become poorer. Or at least we need to stop becoming wealthier. It’s not clear that a wealthy people has more children once it starts to become poorer, but I suppose we could try. A good way to do that is to decentralize and erect trade barriers between and within nations. I am in favor, but am not in favor of going to extremes, as that would make us vulnerable to all sorts of problems, too.

    Maybe we should quit looking for deeper and deeper root causes and go to work to stop Putin.

    That may be correlative but it’s not completely causative. Arguably, the US is at least as wealthy as Europe, and yet the US birth rate hasn’t collapsed like Europe’s has.

    The best argument is likely that Europe is far more secular, non- and even anti-religious, etc. Mark Steyn explains it well in his books, especially America Alone, and in interviews. In effect, they don’t have children because they don’t believe in the/a future, as much as Americans do, especially conservative Americans.

    In addition, and surely related to the religious aspect, the tradition of voluntary collectivism driven by individualism and the established importance of liberty and freedom of choice is still strong.

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  11. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Theodore Roosevelt Malloch agrees with me. Europe is finished and the US isn’t far behind:

    While we once shared deep-seated values with Europe—indeed the complete understanding of Western civilization itself—that is no longer the case. Europe is adrift, separated from its past Judeo-Christian mores, and has become the font of secularism, socialism, the administrative state, relativism and decadence—all things a majority of Americans hope to avoid. The term “Eurotrash” may mean one thing in the music and social world but it implies real trash in a wider cultural sense.

    https://amgreatness.com/2022/04/08/the-united-states-and-europe-redefined/

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  12. Steven Seward Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arguably, the US is at least as wealthy as Europe, and yet the US birth rate hasn’t collapsed like Europe’s has.

    If I’ve got my memory cap on, the average European is only 2/3rds as wealthy as the Average American.  There are only a couple of tiny countries in Europe that have higher per capita income than the United States.

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  13. Steven Seward Member
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    The 2020 census had the smallest population growth ever recorded and was entirely because of immigration.

    So by taking in more people through immigration your population growth shrinks?  How does that work?

     

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  14. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    The 2020 census had the smallest population growth ever recorded and was entirely because of immigration.

    So by taking in more people through immigration your population growth shrinks? How does that work?

     

    I think the idea is that despite taking in more people through immigration, population growth shrank (is shrank a word??). 

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  15. Steven Seward Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

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    Hang On (View Comment):

    The 2020 census had the smallest population growth ever recorded and was entirely because of immigration.

    So by taking in more people through immigration your population growth shrinks? How does that work?

     

    I think the idea is that despite taking in more people through immigration, population growth shrank (is shrank a word??).

    I think the word is “shranked.”

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  16. Manny Coolidge
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    This seems to highlight a major division on the Right. There are those with some kind of (unwarranted, imo) confidence in the ongoing state of affairs and then there are those of us who see it all as fragile and temporary. The former believes the latter to be too negative and at risk of “depressing the turnout.” I believe we’re the realists and we find peace in more permanent, transcendent things — you could say One Eternal thing.

    It is possible to see it as fragile and have confidence, partly because the alternative is despair and retreat in search of a disassociated personal peace, and partly because it’s always been fragile. We do what we can while we’re here.

    Having confidence in our system is a conservative trait (or at least it used to be). Leftists are usually the ones that disparage all that they see in our civilization, and pray (I should say “hope,” they rarely pray) for an unattainable utopian future. That’s why they are usually miserable.

    Yes conservatives have confidence in “our system.” But our system is being torn down every day by the left. There is a point where it is no longer “our system.” That is why the right has lost hope.
    I have said this before. This is a center left country now.

    It seems that we are experiencing a turnaround, however. Leftists are losing many court and legislative battles, and the 2022 election looms ominously for them.

    Perhaps. I’ve said this before.  There’s an ebb and flow but the general trend since the year 2000 has been a trend leftward.  Just look at the overall popular vote for President since then.  Even when we’ve won with the electoral college, we’ve lost the popular vote, except for one where we   inched one out.  Thank God for the Electoral College.  

    But things can change.  Maybe Hispanics do come to the right.  That’s really the hope to change the dynamics of the last twenty years.

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  17. Manny Coolidge
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    But is Europe finished? No way! It has been the cradle of democracy for millennia and has survived much worse than Putin could ever inflict – at least as long as he sticks to conventional weapons. And all of the nation States, and just about all the people are united in condemnation of Russia and support for Ukraine. And this is spontaneous and real, not drilled into us by the EU or anyone else. A rare moment.

    Great news, Charles. Thank you for the input from Ireland!

    Thank you Charles.  Well said.  The European response to Putin has been superb.

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  18. Manny Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    The 2020 census had the smallest population growth ever recorded and was entirely because of immigration.

    So by taking in more people through immigration your population growth shrinks? How does that work?

     

    I think the idea is that despite taking in more people through immigration, population growth shrank (is shrank a word??).

    Shrank is a word…lol

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  19. Manny Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Arguably, the US is at least as wealthy as Europe, and yet the US birth rate hasn’t collapsed like Europe’s has.

    If I’ve got my memory cap on, the average European is only 2/3rds as wealthy as the Average American. There are only a couple of tiny countries in Europe that have higher per capita income than the United States.

    Don’t be fooled with raw numbers. The distribution of wealth is different. I’m not complaining, but wealth in the US is concentrated to fewer. That throws average off.  The average American is about the same as the average European.

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  20. Steven Seward Member
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    Arguably, the US is at least as wealthy as Europe, and yet the US birth rate hasn’t collapsed like Europe’s has.

    If I’ve got my memory cap on, the average European is only 2/3rds as wealthy as the Average American. There are only a couple of tiny countries in Europe that have higher per capita income than the United States.

    Don’t be fooled with raw numbers. The distribution of wealth is different. I’m not complaining, but wealth in the US is concentrated to fewer. That throws average off. The average American is about the same as the average European.

    I don’t think that is right.  Don’t forget that we have people on the bottom that skew the statistics just as much as those at the top.  I’ve looked over various economic factors in the past and Europeans always fall short of their American counterparts.  They have lower wages, fewer appliances, fewer cars, less living space, lower buying power with the money they do have, and so on.  Some pundits used to argue that when certain European countries criticized our treatment of Blacks, it turns out that our Blacks have higher living standards than those country’s average citizens do.

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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    The 2020 census had the smallest population growth ever recorded and was entirely because of immigration.

    So by taking in more people through immigration your population growth shrinks? How does that work?

     

    Huh? The only reason the population grew was because of immigration. Clear enough?

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  22. Steven Seward Member
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    The 2020 census had the smallest population growth ever recorded and was entirely because of immigration.

    So by taking in more people through immigration your population growth shrinks? How does that work?

     

    Huh? The only reason the population grew was because of immigration. Clear enough?

    You didn’t say that before.  Now I understand.

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  23. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Hang On (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):

    The 2020 census had the smallest population growth ever recorded and was entirely because of immigration.

    So by taking in more people through immigration your population growth shrinks? How does that work?

     

    Huh? The only reason the population grew was because of immigration. Clear enough?

    I don’t think that’s quite right either. The rate of growth was the lowest it’s been, but that doesn’t mean growth was solely attributable to immigration. It’s like when the government says it’s “cutting” spending, but what it really means is they’ve reduced the rate of increase in spending. . .

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  24. kedavis Coolidge
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    Manny (View Comment):

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    This seems to highlight a major division on the Right. There are those with some kind of (unwarranted, imo) confidence in the ongoing state of affairs and then there are those of us who see it all as fragile and temporary. The former believes the latter to be too negative and at risk of “depressing the turnout.” I believe we’re the realists and we find peace in more permanent, transcendent things — you could say One Eternal thing.

    It is possible to see it as fragile and have confidence, partly because the alternative is despair and retreat in search of a disassociated personal peace, and partly because it’s always been fragile. We do what we can while we’re here.

    Having confidence in our system is a conservative trait (or at least it used to be). Leftists are usually the ones that disparage all that they see in our civilization, and pray (I should say “hope,” they rarely pray) for an unattainable utopian future. That’s why they are usually miserable.

    Yes conservatives have confidence in “our system.” But our system is being torn down every day by the left. There is a point where it is no longer “our system.” That is why the right has lost hope.
    I have said this before. This is a center left country now.

    It seems that we are experiencing a turnaround, however. Leftists are losing many court and legislative battles, and the 2022 election looms ominously for them.

    Perhaps. I’ve said this before. There’s an ebb and flow but the general trend since the year 2000 has been a trend leftward. Just look at the overall popular vote for President since then. Even when we’ve won with the electoral college, we’ve lost the popular vote, except for one where we inched one out. Thank God for the Electoral College.

    But things can change. Maybe Hispanics do come to the right. That’s really the hope to change the dynamics of the last twenty years.

    Trump shifted the black vote too, more than any other previous Republican.

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    Another point Steyn made was that in Europe it’s far more common for people to be “jammed into small apartments” as Steyn put it, but “nobody wants to raise 3 kids in a small apartment.”

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  26. Bob Thompson Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another point Steyn made was that in Europe it’s far more common for people to be “jammed into small apartments” as Steyn put it, but “nobody wants to raise 3 kids in a small apartment.”

    I guess that’s one reason, among many others, why the Obama Administration was pushing for greater urban development.

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  27. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Putin is Hitler. He is attempting the extermination of a people and the obliteration of their cities.

    While I agree that Europe is circling the drain, I don’t see a valid comparison to Hitler, and I don’t think it has been very helpful for everyone to be compared to him at the drop of a hat lately. But it’s certainly true that Putin is a despot and a loose cannon who must be stopped somehow.

    While I deplore the decline of Europe, I have to say they’re doing it to themselves, especially the UK, Sweden, and Germany, with their naive immigration policies, allowing themselves to be overrun with hostiles. I have watched it all unfold in disbelief. They’re like a man being eaten by a lion and handing him the salt and pepper.

    Plus Europe and the UK’s self-destructive energy policies, starving their populations and economies of affordable and reliable energy.

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  28. Mark Camp Member
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    Charles Mark (View Comment):
    One can only do what one can. Mrs Mark and I haven’t been found wanting I assure you.

    As Red Green would say at the end of every show, “We’re rootin’ for ya.  We’re all in this together.

    [EDITED to eliminate CoC violation]

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Putin is Hitler. He is attempting the extermination of a people and the obliteration of their cities.

    While I agree that Europe is circling the drain, I don’t see a valid comparison to Hitler, and I don’t think it has been very helpful for everyone to be compared to him at the drop of a hat lately. But it’s certainly true that Putin is a despot and a loose cannon who must be stopped somehow.

    While I deplore the decline of Europe, I have to say they’re doing it to themselves, especially the UK, Sweden, and Germany, with their naive immigration policies, allowing themselves to be overrun with hostiles. I have watched it all unfold in disbelief. They’re like a man being eaten by a lion and handing him the salt and pepper.

    Plus Europe and the UK’s self-destructive energy policies, starving their populations and economies of affordable and reliable energy.

    Plus the impact on production of fertilizer for food growing, etc.

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  30. Steven Seward Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    RightAngles (View Comment):

    Putin is Hitler. He is attempting the extermination of a people and the obliteration of their cities.

    While I agree that Europe is circling the drain, I don’t see a valid comparison to Hitler, and I don’t think it has been very helpful for everyone to be compared to him at the drop of a hat lately. But it’s certainly true that Putin is a despot and a loose cannon who must be stopped somehow.

    While I deplore the decline of Europe, I have to say they’re doing it to themselves, especially the UK, Sweden, and Germany, with their naive immigration policies, allowing themselves to be overrun with hostiles. I have watched it all unfold in disbelief. They’re like a man being eaten by a lion and handing him the salt and pepper.

    Plus Europe and the UK’s self-destructive energy policies, starving their populations and economies of affordable and reliable energy.

    As are we, under Brandon.

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