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Biden to Announce Vaccine Mandates
Later this afternoon, President Joe Biden will unveil a new plan to get more Americans vaccinated. We know the plan will require all federal employees to be vaccinated without an opt-out. Previous mandates for federal employees allowed individuals who do not wish to be vaccinated to get regular testing instead.
Last month the Biden administration announced that the US military, the only public sector employees without a union, are mandated to get vaccinated against COVID-19.
Today’s proposals are not only for federal employees. President Biden is expected to mandate that employees of federal contractors are also vaccinated. These mandates are now moving beyond the public sector and into the private.
Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie posted on Twitter, “He (President Biden) doesn’t have the power to mandate this. If the government could mandate the vaccine for federal employees & contractors, it would require a vote of Congress. It’s medical tyranny. People will remember those who did this to them & who did not speak out.”
He doesn’t have the power to mandate this. If government could mandate the vaccine for federal employees & contractors, it would require a vote of Congress. It’s medical tyranny.
People will remember those who did this to them & who did not speak out.https://t.co/WVqGnxAX25
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) September 9, 2021
This push for vaccine mandates is primarily due to the Biden administration seeking a public victory. Just a week before the 2020 election, Biden tweeted, “I’m not going to shut down the country. I’m not going to shut down the economy. I’m going to shut down the virus.”
I'm not going to shut down the country.
I'm not going to shut down the economy.
I'm going to shut down the virus.
— Joe Biden (@JoeBiden) October 30, 2020
However, his short time in office has seen a rise in COVID cases. The country currently sees over 150,000 daily COVID-19 cases, 100,000 hospitalizations, and around 1,000 COVID-19 deaths. A bad jobs report and the Afghan withdrawal have the administration seeking a victory anywhere they can get it.
When asked about mandatory vaccines in December, President-elect Biden said, “no, I don’t think it should be mandatory. I wouldn’t demand it to be mandatory. But I would do everything in my power. Just like I don’t think masks have to be made mandatory nationwide.”
Biden back in December on vaccine mandates: “I don't think it should be mandatory, I wouldn't demand it be mandatory.” pic.twitter.com/RI08vIkFfk
— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) September 9, 2021
Since December, the federal government and the CDC have flip-flopped on mask mandates.
Today’s proposal mandating vaccination of employees of federal contractors had reporters asking how far the president is willing to go to get Americans vaccinated.
When asked, “how bold is the president willing to be as far as the private sector is concerned with the vaccine mandate. Even if they don’t have federal contracts can the Department of Labor or anyone else compel major employers, the large employers, to force the vaccine mandates on their employees?”
White House Press Secretary, Jen Psaki, responded: “yes, stay tuned.”
REPORTER: "Can the Department of Labor or anybody else compel major employers, the large employers, to force the vaccine mandates on their employees?"@PressSec: “Yes. Stay tuned."
pic.twitter.com/yEZMgOwsE2— Daily Caller (@DailyCaller) September 9, 2021
Rep. Massie made an excellent point. If the government could require mandatory vaccines, in this case for people who do not work for the government, then that law should be passed by congress. However, at the federal and state level during the covid pandemic, many of the mandates have been a push by the executive branch. A country where the executive can mandate vaccination to private companies and non-federal employees is not a republic.
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Good point. You note that the marginal benefit is small for something that is and will have a high cost in terms of social harmony, political capital, and civil rights.
Maybe to eliminate
brown peoplepoverty. They’re not shy about their goals. They even publish them in declarations nobody reads.Regarding transmission among the vaxxed vs. those with natural immunity, our kids were recently part of just such an experiment, similar to the Diamond Princess, which they called a “summer youth group trip.” The trip ended up being a sort of superspreader event, thanks to kids and youth leaders all being stuck together in a bus for an 18 hour trip (both ways) as well as grouped in cabins for three days.
The result: most of the unvaxxed and vaxxed people ended up with COVID. Those who’d previously had COVID, none of them got it, in spite of close quarters.
Seems to me that having COVID confers a much more robust immunity. This is not even being considered by the Biden Regime.
In Massachusetts, it doesn’t seem to be working anyway. Unless these cases are early-vaccinated, high-risk people who got the early version of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines that didn’t work against the Delta variant. That is information I have not been able to find.
I’d think the government would be retreating for pushing mass vaccination since the vaccine appears to have questionable efficacy.
The companies themselves, as far as I know, have been silent on this issue of forced vaccination. Perhaps that’s why.
The big problem in this area is the CDC-promoted concept of “herd immunity.” It was never a valid construct. It has been annoying for many years now. Either the vaccine works or it does not. If it works, then the people who are vaccinated are not at risk from those who are not. That is the basis for vaccinating travelers–students, military and State Department personnel, tourists, and aid workers.
As long as there is international travel, there can be no such thing as “herd immunity.” The CDC adopted this idea to lay a guilt trip on people who were delaying vaccinating their children due to legitimate concerns about the MMR. (There are almost no truly vaccine-averse people–even the Amish get some of them.) Even with those concerns, because of school-entry mandates, we were at 95 percent for measles five years ago.
The CDC has always been stupid and maniacal about this “herd immunity”–a term I wish would disappear.
What bothers me the most about this push to get everyone on the planet vaccinated is that we need a unvaccinated control group if something goes wrong tomorrow or two years from now. How will we know if the vaccine is causing problems if we don’t have people who are not vaccinated?
that’ll do it. :-) :-)
Well, I’ll still be unvaccinated. Don’t need it. Had it.
Please elaborate.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloward%E2%80%93Piven_strategy
If their goal is to destroy the private sector economy and the middle class, continued lockdowns, forcing companies into labor shortages, disrupting the supply chain, and making inflation even worse, I think this vax mandate will do it.
I don’t know what their goals are. But Biden’s speech was slippery with parsing population counts with different meaning that can only be supposed. Biden said:
Nearly 80 million Americans are unvaccinated.
But his plan will vaccinate more than 80 million.
Biden says that 80 million accounts for 25% of Americans.
This means that the US population is about 320 million.
The above is actually what Biden actually said.
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(US census estimates that there are 328 million in the US, 72 million are age 17 and under, and of these 20 million are under age 5.)
This last 80 million to be vaccinated accounts for nearly all unvaccinated persons in the US except for an estimated additional 8 million in the population.
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If what Biden said is true, then Biden intends to vaccinate every American: specifically, infants, children and adolescents in the US.
I also just realized that may prevent the young woman next door from working. She has medical conditions for which her doctor has recommended she not get the Covid vaccine. It won’t affect her immediately, as she is not currently in the paid labor market, focusing all her attention on making a home for her husband and children. But there are other people who have medical conditions that run counter to receiving certain vaccinations. Are we going to prevent them from earning a living? Once again, government demands one size fits all solutions with no regard for how different from each other 330 million people are.
This is a misunderstanding of the VAERS system and the scientific method. VAERS gives you raw data on self reported or physician reported events. The quality of the reporting varies greatly. None of this is fact or evidence. It shows a rough temporal correlation between two events, like getting the shot and death. Nothing in this raw data shows that the shot caused the death. Is there another more likely cause of death than the vaccine? Only and autopsy could tell you that, it will not be found in VAERS raw data.
To get to causation you need to control for know variables. The two most important in this case are age and pre-existing medical condition. The unvaccinated tend to be younger. So it is not a surprise that more 60-80 years olds die during a specific time period compared to 30-50 year olds. We have been discussing that kids do better. So the 6-11 year olds in the unvaccinated group (no vax available) will skew the data.
More people with heal concerns have gotten the vaccine than otherwise healthy people. They have enough problems and don’t need COVID. Did a 70 year old with a chronic heart condition die because he got a shot or because he had a bad heart and would have died with out the shot.
Comparing the survival rate to a group with more old and sick people against younger and healthier people proves nothing. In the linked Report they admit that not controlling for age is a weakness in their results.
This is why scientific studies take the raw data and break it down. Compare apples to apples. What are the results when you compare 20-50 year olds with no prior medical history, some who got the shot and some who did not.
Flicker, you might appreciate knowing about this:
Internationally renowned legal expert Francis Boyle, who created the 1989-1990 US Biological Weapons AntiTerrorism Act, is now stating that Fauci and all others, including baric and Dacsak, who signed the contract to do funding for or else to do actual work on SARS, and COVID at either The Wuhan Lab and/or the North Carolina University lab should be indicted for violating this law! This is huge.Their creating what we have come to know as COVID is something expressly forbidden by the Anti Terrorism Act. Also anyone promoting the COV vaccines is pushing a biological weapon – and so that would include all the Dem governors pushing the vax mandates as well as Biden himself! This legal action could even bring The Master Minds the death penalty!
Thank you for the declarations link!
We have been over this a dozen times before. Yes yes yes VAERS is raw data. Yes some of the reports are probably not legit. For instance using an example I already used, a man got a COVID jab. That night a blizzard blew in his area. He went out the next day and shovelled snow for more than an hour, had a heart attack and died.
No prior complaints of any problem with his jab. Probably not COV vax related death.
However when a healthy Minnesota woman who had no problems with her body until she was jabbed, she gets the vax, has such extensive blood clots that her legs are amputated. Congress itself decreed that such a result after a vaccine should be compensated through the US Vaccine Court. To get a case heard into that court, there has to be a VAERS report. Which is why it is so wonderful that despite the full half hour that it took the reporting nurse to fill out the paper work, and despite the ridicule of people she worked with, that report got made.
You say that probably more folks with comorbidities got vaxxed than healthy people. I don’t know about that. The 3 people I know who ended up vax injured were all healthy until in order to keep their jobs, they played Pfizer Roulette and lost.
It is estimated VAERS ends up covering only 1% to 10% of all the vax injuries and deaths. Most people on social media are posting their photos of their injuries and stating as I myself experienced in 1976, that they’ re told they are histrionic, hysterical, imagining their Guilalan Barre like symptoms etc.
We have been over this a dozen times before. Yes yes yes VAERS is raw data. Yes some of the reports are probably not legit. For instance using an example I already used, a man got a COVID jab. That night a blizzard blew in his area. He went out the next day and shovelled snow for more than an hour, had a heart attack and died.
No prior complaints of any problem with his jab. Probably not COV vax related death.
However when a healthy Minnesota woman who had no problems with her body until she was jabbed, she gets the vax, has such extensive blood clots that her legs are amputated. Congress itself decreed that such a result after a vaccine should be compensated through the US Vaccine Court. To get a case heard into that court, there has to be a VAERS report. Which is why it is so wonderful that despite the full half hour that it took the reporting nurse to fill out the paper work, and despite the ridicule of people she worked with, that report got made.
You say that probably more folks with comorbidities got vaxxed than healthy people. I don’t know about that. The 3 people I know who ended up vax injured were all healthy until in order to keep their jobs, they played Pfizer Roulette and lost.
It is estimated VAERS ends up covering only 1% to 10% of all the vax injuries and deaths. Most people on social media are posting their photos of their injuries and stating as I myself experienced in 1976, that they’ re told they are histrionic, hysterical, imagining their Guilalan Barre like symptoms etc.
An autopsy of the dead individuals would perhaps show us something. However the hospital admins are discouraging any and all autopsies, even when families try to demand them. I believe IIRC, that came to them from on high (The Feds, like NIH.)
I’ll be part of the control group.
Thanks. Believe it or not this goes along with what I heard about Boyle from a Trinidadian pastor who was similarly concerned as you. But he didn’t — I was going to say he didn’t recommend trying them — but then again I didn’t listen to the whole 6 hour meeting.
Where did you get your information?
I had heard his opinion on the creation of the virus, I had not seen anything on his belief that the vaccine is a biological weapon.
While it is completely possible that the virus was created in a lab, Francis Boyle is an Anti-American wacko.
He is anti-semtic, anti- Israel and a former advisor to the PLO.
He has offered to represent Iran in suing the US in the International Court of Justice. He tried to get Bush and Cheney tried as War Criminals in the ICC. He helped prosecute and get Bush and Tony Blair declared War Criminals in some weird Malaysian Commission.
He also advocated for the impeachment of both Trump and Clinton for airstrikes. Not anything that was actually brought to Congress but Trumps early strikes in Syria were illegal and impeachable.
The WRONG people. The NON-COMPLIANT people.
I enjoyed that story more when it was a movie called Logan’s Run, and Jenny Agutter was naked for a while.
So does this mean you can actually be fired as a federal employee? I thought it was almost impossible to fire federal employees? It almost Sounds like Republicans were just lying and never wanted to reduce federal head count.
The Left can fire anyone they want.
Out of a cannon.
Into the sun.
So are most of the tenured professors in the Ivy League and most of the elected democrats. I call them “advisors” only loosely, more like cheerleaders.
Okay, the weird thing is that Fauci said he thought China Joe’s Vax Mandate was a “moderate” approach because it included weekly testing as an option, and he (Fauci) would have just forced the jab with no testing option.