Biden to Announce Vaccine Mandates

 

Later this afternoon, President Joe Biden will unveil a new plan to get more Americans vaccinated. We know the plan will require all federal employees to be vaccinated without an opt-out. Previous mandates for federal employees allowed individuals who do not wish to be vaccinated to get regular testing instead.

Last month the Biden administration announced that the US military, the only public sector employees without a union, are mandated to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

Today’s proposals are not only for federal employees. President Biden is expected to mandate that employees of federal contractors are also vaccinated. These mandates are now moving beyond the public sector and into the private.

Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie posted on Twitter, “He (President Biden) doesn’t have the power to mandate this. If the government could mandate the vaccine for federal employees & contractors, it would require a vote of Congress. It’s medical tyranny. People will remember those who did this to them & who did not speak out.”

This push for vaccine mandates is primarily due to the Biden administration seeking a public victory. Just a week before the 2020 election, Biden tweeted, “I’m not going to shut down the country. I’m not going to shut down the economy. I’m going to shut down the virus.”

However, his short time in office has seen a rise in COVID cases. The country currently sees over 150,000 daily COVID-19 cases, 100,000 hospitalizations, and around 1,000 COVID-19 deaths. A bad jobs report and the Afghan withdrawal have the administration seeking a victory anywhere they can get it.

When asked about mandatory vaccines in December, President-elect Biden said, “no, I don’t think it should be mandatory. I wouldn’t demand it to be mandatory. But I would do everything in my power. Just like I don’t think masks have to be made mandatory nationwide.”

Since December, the federal government and the CDC have flip-flopped on mask mandates.

Today’s proposal mandating vaccination of employees of federal contractors had reporters asking how far the president is willing to go to get Americans vaccinated.

When asked, “how bold is the president willing to be as far as the private sector is concerned with the vaccine mandate. Even if they don’t have federal contracts can the Department of Labor or anyone else compel major employers, the large employers, to force the vaccine mandates on their employees?”

White House Press Secretary, Jen Psaki, responded: “yes, stay tuned.”

Rep. Massie made an excellent point. If the government could require mandatory vaccines, in this case for people who do not work for the government, then that law should be passed by congress. However, at the federal and state level during the covid pandemic, many of the mandates have been a push by the executive branch. A country where the executive can mandate vaccination to private companies and non-federal employees is not a republic.

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  1. Flicker Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Richard Easton (View Comment):

    The more vaccinations, the quicker variants emerge and the greater the danger to high risk people. These folks are insane.

    On the other hand, if they were actively trying to “reduce the surplus population,” how would they be behaving any differently?

    And apparently it tends to sterilize women.

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  2. Full Size Tabby Member
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    The government has now convinced me that there are major problems with the vaccines. 

    If the vaccines were inherently good, the government would not need to force people to take them. If the government is relying on mandates to force people to take the vaccines, obviously they cannot sell the vaccines on their inherent merit. 

    That the government refuses to consider whether any “natural” immunity arises from having the disease or from other causes apart from the vaccine tells me that the government is uninterested in “science.” That the government is obsessively focused on vaccines, and refuses to address treatments tells me that this is all driven by a political will to control, and has nothing to do with trying to address an actual disease.

    We have already seen that the FDA “approval” of the Pfizer vaccine was politically engineered, and not a proper approval. 

    The United States has truly entered totalitarian tyranny, and is no longer a country of liberty.

    Selfishly, I

    1) am retired so the fact that my federal professional license will probably be revoked is not of great importance, and

    2) I live in Texas, so I expect lots of company among my neighbors in refusing to comply with federal jackboots roaming the neighborhood (if the jackboots dare). 

    Unfortunately, my retired life is going to be more constrained than I had planned on. International travel is out of the question since the federal government has made it clear that it will offer no protection to protect United States citizens who are outside the United States. Traveling to some parts of the so-called United States (like New York City) is also out of the question since those places reject the foundational principles of the United States. And, at least for the foreseeable future, air travel around the United States is also out of the question. 

     

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  3. Bishop Wash Member
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    Jager (View Comment):

    Fritz (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    Perhaps this is why they are putting the fence up around the Capitol again.

    Are they? Yeah, I think they know that the proles are not happy with them.

    Aren’t both houses about due to return from their August/Labor Day recess? Interesting timing.

    The fence is going up because some small group is planning a rally on September 18. The police are worried.

    The Oathkeepers and Proud Boys have both said they have no plans to attend and that they think it is a law enforcement set up to create another January 6th event to arrest more people

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/09/proud-boys-oath-keepers-september-18-false-flag/

    Related to Constitution Day?

    Another FBI job?

    • #33
  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Whether a lot of federal employees are fired, or quit, it seems like an overall positive.

    • #34
  5. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    The government has now convinced me that there are major problems with the vaccines.

    If the vaccines were inherently good, the government would not need to force people to take them. If the government is relying on mandates to force people to take the vaccines, obviously they cannot sell the vaccines on their inherent merit.

    That the government refuses to consider whether any “natural” immunity arises from having the disease or from other causes apart from the vaccine tells me that the government is uninterested in “science.” That the government is obsessively focused on vaccines, and refuses to address treatments tells me that this is all driven by a political will to control, and has nothing to do with trying to address an actual disease.

    We have already seen that the FDA “approval” of the Pfizer vaccine was politically engineered, and not a proper approval.

    The United States has truly entered totalitarian tyranny, and is no longer a country of liberty.

    Selfishly, I

    1) am retired so the fact that my federal professional license will probably be revoked is not of great importance, and

    2) I live in Texas, so I expect lots of company among my neighbors in refusing to comply with federal jackboots roaming the neighborhood (if the jackboots dare).

    Unfortunately, my retired life is going to be more constrained than I had planned on. International travel is out of the question since the federal government has made it clear that it will offer no protection to protect United States citizens who are outside the United States. Traveling to some parts of the so-called United States (like New York City) is also out of the question since those places reject the foundational principles of the United States. And, at least for the foreseeable future, air travel around the United States is also out of the question.

    I’ve been looking forward to federal vaccine canvassers showing up on my doorstep. Pretty sure I can get my voice to reverberate throughout the neighborhood.

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  6. Jager Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Jager (View Comment):

    Fritz (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    Perhaps this is why they are putting the fence up around the Capitol again.

    Are they? Yeah, I think they know that the proles are not happy with them.

    Aren’t both houses about due to return from their August/Labor Day recess? Interesting timing.

    The fence is going up because some small group is planning a rally on September 18. The police are worried.

    The Oathkeepers and Proud Boys have both said they have no plans to attend and that they think it is a law enforcement set up to create another January 6th event to arrest more people

    https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2021/09/proud-boys-oath-keepers-september-18-false-flag/

    Related to Constitution Day?

    Another FBI job?

    Possibly the FBI, who knows anymore. 

    The protest is ostensibly to protest the conditions of the people arrested for the Jan 6th rally. I would not go near that, seems to easy a way to arrest more people who support what happened on Jan 6th

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  7. Bishop Wash Member
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    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    If the vaccines were inherently good, the government would not need to force people to take them. If the government is relying on mandates to force people to take the vaccines, obviously they cannot sell the vaccines on their inherent merit. 

    This order was discussed on today’s Three Martini Lunch. Geraghty doesn’t go this direction. He loves the shots but doesn’t want them mandated. He points out about 75% of the adult population has had a shot. The federal workforce probably isn’t much different, so just how many people is he trying to affect? Will that many people make a difference? Most likely no, so it isn’t about public health.

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  8. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    I’ve been looking forward to federal vaccine canvassers to show up on my doorstep. Pretty sure I can get my voice to reverberate throughout the neighborhood.

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  9. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    If the vaccines were inherently good, the government would not need to force people to take them. If the government is relying on mandates to force people to take the vaccines, obviously they cannot sell the vaccines on their inherent merit.

    This order was discussed on today’s Three Martini Lunch. Geraghty doesn’t go this direction. He loves the shots but doesn’t want them mandated. He points out about 75% of the adult population has had a shot. The federal workforce probably isn’t much different, so just how many people is he trying to affect? Will that many people make a difference? Most likely no, so it isn’t about public health.

    I wouldn’t be so confident that a 75% share of overall population being vaccinated, is likely similar to that of federal employees.  Just for starters, federal employees are more likely to be “people of color” than the general population, and the vaccination rate for “people of color” is lower.  There’s also the possibility that among other groups of federal employees, having been “in the belly of the beast” for perhaps decades, they are less trusting of the feds than many of their fellow citizens.

    • #39
  10. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Jager (View Comment):
    The Oathkeepers and Proud Boys have both said they have no plans to attend and that they think it is a law enforcement set up to create another January 6th event to arrest more people

    They’re probably right. The leader of the Proud Boys now faces prison time for burning a BLM flag.

    • #40
  11. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Whether a lot of federal employees are fired, or quit, it seems like an overall positive.

    No, it doesn’t.

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  12. Brian Watt Inactive
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    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    I’ve been looking forward to federal vaccine canvassers to show up on my doorstep. Pretty sure I can get my voice to reverberate throughout the neighborhood.

    Well, this may be why I haven’t had a solicitor in over a year, so if a vaccine canvasser still wants to knock on my door or ring the doorbell…

    • #42
  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Whether a lot of federal employees are fired, or quit, it seems like an overall positive.

    No, it doesn’t.

    You’re not in favor of fewer federal employees?

    • #43
  14. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    OK. We have never Trumpers on Ricochet. Some are powers that be 

    Where are they in this?

    Where are they? Where are there comments?

    • #44
  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    OK. We have never Trumpers on Ricochet. Some are powers that be

    Where are they in this?

    Where are they? Where are there comments?

    Don’t you already know their answer, no matter how many other words they might add to it?

    “Orange Man Bad.”

    • #45
  16. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    OK. We have never Trumpers on Ricochet. Some are powers that be

    Where are they in this?

    Where are they? Where are there comments?

    Don’t you already know their answer, no matter how many other words they might add to it?

    “Orange Man Bad.”

    Then come out and say it.

    They need to have the balls to back themselves up. 

     

     

     

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  17. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    OK. We have never Trumpers on Ricochet. Some are powers that be

    Where are they in this?

    Where are they? Where are there comments?

    If you say Beetlejuice three times, they may show up.

    • #47
  18. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Eric Martin: Rep. Massie made an excellent point. If the government could require mandatory vaccines, in this case for people who do not work for the government, then that law should be passed by congress. However, at the federal and state level during the covid pandemic, many of the mandates have been a push by the executive branch. A country where the executive can mandate vaccination to private companies and nonfederal employees is not a republic. 

    A country where Congress can mandate vaccines is not a Constitutional republic.  They can mandate all they want.  I’ll get a vaccine if I think it’s in my best interest.

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  19. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
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    I see our Editor in Chief has posted a very anemic post about Biden invoking a constitutional crisis.

    I cannot help but notice that there’s no call for biden’s impeachments removal from office and barring him from ever serving again.

    I guess having a rally is a far far deeper crime against this Republican it’s stability then mandating people lose their job or get forced medical treatment. It’s worth impeaching an a president who’s already lost an election as fast as you possibly can because he had a rally you didn’t like, but mandating medical treatment? Heck that’s not worth an emotional post at all why should we get worked up about that at all?

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  20. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    [Forwarded from Liberty Overwatch (Patriot) via Telegram]
    Additional Legal Resources to Fight Vaccine Mandates

    Via @ThePatriotAU

    From: Rock Harbor Church

    Hi Everyone,

    We recently compiled a list of law firms that you may call if you believe your rights are being infringed upon by your employer, school, college, or any group that discriminates against you for not complying with their vaccine or mask mandates.

    1. Liberty Counsel
    https://lc.org/

    2. Liberty Institute
    https://www.libertyinstitute.org/about/faq

    3. Pacific Justice Institute
    https://www.secure.pacificjustice.org/site/SPageNavigator/contact_us.html

    4. Advocates For Faith and Freedom
    https://faith-freedom.com/

    5. Alliance Defending Freedom
    https://adflegal.org/about-us

    6. National Legal Foundation
    https://nationallegalfoundation.org/

    7. Thomas More Law Center
    https://www.thomasmore.org/

    8. Thomas More Society
    https://thomasmoresociety.org/

    9. Christian Legal Society
    https://www.christianlegalsociety.org/

    10. American Center for Law and Justice
    https://aclj.org/

    11. Center for Law and Religious Freedom
    https://www.clsreligiousfreedom.org/about-center

    12. Christian Attorneys of America
    https://christianattorneysofamerica.com/

    13. Christian Law Association
    https://www.christianlaw.org/

    14. National Association of Christian Lawmakers
    https://christianlawmakers.com/

    15. Pacific Legal Foundation
    https://pacificlegal.org/

    Like I have mentioned before, most people (i.e. the people who just do what they are told by their employer, the government, or the narrative) do not know the law so they believe that vaccine and mask mandates can be enforced. However, this is not true. This is when you will have to push back and contact an attorney to get advice.

    I hope this helps you because now is the time to stand up to this kind of injustice and draconian medical tyranny.

    Pastor Brandon

    Subscribe: @ThePatriotAU

    More 🔎🧵 Vaccine Attorneys by State (https://t.me/LibertyOverwatchChannel/5420)

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  21. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Whether a lot of federal employees are fired, or quit, it seems like an overall positive.

    No, it doesn’t.

    You’re not in favor of fewer federal employees?

    Not fewer of the smart ones who think for themselves.

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  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Whether a lot of federal employees are fired, or quit, it seems like an overall positive.

    No, it doesn’t.

    You’re not in favor of fewer federal employees?

    Not fewer of the smart ones who think for themselves.

    They’re vastly outnumbered already.

    • #52
  23. Randy Webster Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    There’s also the possibility that among other groups of federal employees, having been “in the belly of the beast” for perhaps decades, they are less trusting of the feds than many of their fellow citizens.

    I’m not quite sure how they can be less trusting of the feds than I am.

    • #53
  24. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Whether a lot of federal employees are fired, or quit, it seems like an overall positive.

    No, it doesn’t.

    You’re not in favor of fewer federal employees?

    Not fewer of the smart ones who think for themselves.

    They’re vastly outnumbered already.

    So much more the need to keep them.

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Whether a lot of federal employees are fired, or quit, it seems like an overall positive.

    No, it doesn’t.

    You’re not in favor of fewer federal employees?

    Not fewer of the smart ones who think for themselves.

    They’re vastly outnumbered already.

    So much more the need to keep them.

    Do you think you’re likely to encounter them randomly at your next federal interaction?  The odds are greatly against that happening.  And if we look at it in terms of something like “Idiocracy,” those good people remaining in place is what keeps the disaster from collapsing of its own weight, which then could lead to reform.  I’m not sure good people remaining in place, is really doing us a favor.

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  26. 9thDistrictNeighbor Member
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    Postal workers are exempt.  Because they deliver the ballots, dontchaknow.

    • #56
  27. kedavis Coolidge
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    9thDistrictNeighbor (View Comment):

    Postal workers are exempt. Because they deliver the ballots, dontchaknow.

    And they somehow “return” ballots that were never even mailed!  It’s amazing!

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  28. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Whether a lot of federal employees are fired, or quit, it seems like an overall positive.

    No, it doesn’t.

    You’re not in favor of fewer federal employees?

    Yes, but not by these means. This isn’t just the state saying “We will force all our employees to take the jab,” this is the state using their corporate pals to do the same with all their employees. It remains to be seen whether their corporate pals will comply, but I suspect the largest corporations will pay off the feds to get some kind of waiver. And mid-sized businesses who don’t have that power will be destroyed. Which is how the larger corporations want it.

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  29. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    The Powers That Be have to get us all juiced up with the BioWeapon Poison before humanity wakes up and stops the madness.

    https://trialsitenews.com/high-death-rate-among-vaccinated-brings-vaccine-dystopia-into-view/

    High Death Rate Among Vaccinated Brings Vaccine Dystopia Into View

    Joel S. Hirschhorn

    A new report with detailed data from Public Health England provides some startling numbers. For the period of February 1 through August 2 there were COVID Delta variant cases for 47,000 people who had received 2 vaccine doses, and for 151,054 people who were unvaccinated.

    In the first group of vaccinated people, there were a total of 402 deaths. In the second much larger group with more than three times unvaccinated people, there were just 253 deaths. In other words, of the total COVID deaths 61 percent were in fully vaccinated people.

    To get the death rate you divide the number of deaths by the total number of infection cases. That gives a death rate of .86 percent among the vaccinated and .17 percent among the unvaccinated. That is an amazing difference. The death rate among vaccinated was just over five times greater than that for the unvaccinated.

    ###########################################################

    • #59
  30. Brian Watt Inactive
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    Is it just me or did the ending of Biden’s vaccine mandate speech creep anyone else out?

    • #60
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