Biden to Announce Vaccine Mandates

 

Later this afternoon, President Joe Biden will unveil a new plan to get more Americans vaccinated. We know the plan will require all federal employees to be vaccinated without an opt-out. Previous mandates for federal employees allowed individuals who do not wish to be vaccinated to get regular testing instead.

Last month the Biden administration announced that the US military, the only public sector employees without a union, are mandated to get vaccinated against COVID-19.

Today’s proposals are not only for federal employees. President Biden is expected to mandate that employees of federal contractors are also vaccinated. These mandates are now moving beyond the public sector and into the private.

Kentucky Rep. Thomas Massie posted on Twitter, “He (President Biden) doesn’t have the power to mandate this. If the government could mandate the vaccine for federal employees & contractors, it would require a vote of Congress. It’s medical tyranny. People will remember those who did this to them & who did not speak out.”

This push for vaccine mandates is primarily due to the Biden administration seeking a public victory. Just a week before the 2020 election, Biden tweeted, “I’m not going to shut down the country. I’m not going to shut down the economy. I’m going to shut down the virus.”

However, his short time in office has seen a rise in COVID cases. The country currently sees over 150,000 daily COVID-19 cases, 100,000 hospitalizations, and around 1,000 COVID-19 deaths. A bad jobs report and the Afghan withdrawal have the administration seeking a victory anywhere they can get it.

When asked about mandatory vaccines in December, President-elect Biden said, “no, I don’t think it should be mandatory. I wouldn’t demand it to be mandatory. But I would do everything in my power. Just like I don’t think masks have to be made mandatory nationwide.”

Since December, the federal government and the CDC have flip-flopped on mask mandates.

Today’s proposal mandating vaccination of employees of federal contractors had reporters asking how far the president is willing to go to get Americans vaccinated.

When asked, “how bold is the president willing to be as far as the private sector is concerned with the vaccine mandate. Even if they don’t have federal contracts can the Department of Labor or anyone else compel major employers, the large employers, to force the vaccine mandates on their employees?”

White House Press Secretary, Jen Psaki, responded: “yes, stay tuned.”

Rep. Massie made an excellent point. If the government could require mandatory vaccines, in this case for people who do not work for the government, then that law should be passed by congress. However, at the federal and state level during the covid pandemic, many of the mandates have been a push by the executive branch. A country where the executive can mandate vaccination to private companies and non-federal employees is not a republic.

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  1. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Is it just me or did the ending of Biden’s vaccine mandate speech creep anyone else out?

    Did he do the freaky whispering thing?

    • #61
  2. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
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    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    Pushing this through OSHA does make it difficult to fight.

    I am not a labor lawyer, but I suspect the rule-making process is   slow.  Drafting, comment periods, hearings, register, publish,…  I think this whole thing is all bark and no bite.

    • #62
  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    Pushing this through OSHA does make it difficult to fight.

    I am not a labor lawyer, but I suspect the rule-making process is slow. Drafting, comment periods, hearings, register, publish,… I think this whole thing is all bark and no bite.

    Unless they get another EUA.  You know, Emergency Usurpation Authorization.

    • #63
  4. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Brian Watt (View Comment):
    Pushing this through OSHA does make it difficult to fight.

    I am not a labor lawyer, but I suspect the rule-making process is slow. Drafting, comment periods, hearings, register, publish,… I think this whole thing is all bark and no bite.

    I’m not willing to take that risk. This needs to be combated immediately. Slap down Biden and his cabal fast and hard.

    • #64
  5. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    I just read an article on Marek’s disease in chickens. The hot variant kills all chickens in 10 days. In the 70s a vaccine was developed which first showed what leaky vaccines do. The vaccinated chickens don’t have any bad effects, but they shed the virus copiously and shed (if I understand this correctly) a “hotter” or more deadly variant than they were exposed to, and infect and kill all unvaccinated chickens. So the unvaccinated need to be kept away for majority that are vaccinated or they’ll die.

    Perhaps this is why there’s such a push around the world to vaccinate everyone. Perhaps they now know the adverse effects of the leaky vaccine, and know that the damage has been done, and are now set on vaccinating the whole world in a misguided attempt to correct their mistake.

    Any  alternate explanations for the sudden rush to mandate would have to include

    mentioning G-e-n-o-c-i-d-e.

     

    • #65
  6. CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill
    @CarolJoy

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    [Forwarded from Liberty Overwatch (Patriot) via Telegram]
    Additional Legal Resources to Fight Vaccine Mandates

    Via @ ThePatriotAU

    From: Rock Harbor Church

    Hi Everyone,

    We recently compiled a list of law firms that you may call if you believe your rights are being infringed upon by your employer, school, college, or any group that discriminates against you for not complying with their vaccine or mask mandates.

    1. Liberty Counsel
    https://lc.org/

    2. Liberty Institute
    https://www.libertyinstitute.org/about/faq

    3. Pacific Justice Institute
    https://www.secure.pacificjustice.org/site/SPageNavigator/contact_us.html

    4. Advocates For Faith and Freedom
    https://faith-freedom.com/

    5. Alliance Defending Freedom
    https://adflegal.org/about-us

    6. National Legal Foundation
    https://nationallegalfoundation.org/

    7. Thomas More Law Center
    https://www.thomasmore.org/

    8. Thomas More Society
    https://thomasmoresociety.org/

    9. Christian Legal Society
    https://www.christianlegalsociety.org/

    10. American Center for Law and Justice
    https://aclj.org/

    11. Center for Law and Religious Freedom
    https://www.clsreligiousfreedom.org/about-center

    12. Christian Attorneys of America
    https://christianattorneysofamerica.com/

    13. Christian Law Association
    https://www.christianlaw.org/

    14. National Association of Christian Lawmakers
    https://christianlawmakers.com/

    15. Pacific Legal Foundation
    https://pacificlegal.org/

    Like I have mentioned before, most people (i.e. the people who just do what they are told by their employer, the government, or the narrative) do not know the law so they believe that vaccine and mask mandates can be enforced. However, this is not true. This is when you will have to push back and contact an attorney to get advice.

    I hope this helps you because now is the time to stand up to this kind of injustice and draconian medical tyranny.

    Pastor Brandon

    Subscribe: @ ThePatriotAU

    More 🔎🧵 Vaccine Attorneys by State (https://t.me/LibertyOverwatchChannel/5420)

    I am hearing 14 States have united to bring about a legal challenge to a national mandate!!

     

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  7. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    • #67
  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    [Forwarded from Liberty Overwatch (Patriot) via Telegram]
    Additional Legal Resources to Fight Vaccine Mandates

    Via @ ThePatriotAU

    From: Rock Harbor Church

    Hi Everyone,

    We recently compiled a list of law firms that you may call if you believe your rights are being infringed upon by your employer, school, college, or any group that discriminates against you for not complying with their vaccine or mask mandates.

    1. Liberty Counsel
    https://lc.org/

    2. Liberty Institute
    https://www.libertyinstitute.org/about/faq

    3. Pacific Justice Institute
    https://www.secure.pacificjustice.org/site/SPageNavigator/contact_us.html

    4. Advocates For Faith and Freedom
    https://faith-freedom.com/

    5. Alliance Defending Freedom
    https://adflegal.org/about-us

    6. National Legal Foundation
    https://nationallegalfoundation.org/

    7. Thomas More Law Center
    https://www.thomasmore.org/

    8. Thomas More Society
    https://thomasmoresociety.org/

    9. Christian Legal Society
    https://www.christianlegalsociety.org/

    10. American Center for Law and Justice
    https://aclj.org/

    11. Center for Law and Religious Freedom
    https://www.clsreligiousfreedom.org/about-center

    12. Christian Attorneys of America
    https://christianattorneysofamerica.com/

    13. Christian Law Association
    https://www.christianlaw.org/

    14. National Association of Christian Lawmakers
    https://christianlawmakers.com/

    15. Pacific Legal Foundation
    https://pacificlegal.org/

    Like I have mentioned before, most people (i.e. the people who just do what they are told by their employer, the government, or the narrative) do not know the law so they believe that vaccine and mask mandates can be enforced. However, this is not true. This is when you will have to push back and contact an attorney to get advice.

    I hope this helps you because now is the time to stand up to this kind of injustice and draconian medical tyranny.

    Pastor Brandon

    Subscribe: @ ThePatriotAU

    More 🔎🧵 Vaccine Attorneys by State (https://t.me/LibertyOverwatchChannel/5420)

    I am hearing 14 States have united to bring about a legal challenge to a national mandate!!

     

    Would you like to bet on whether or not they  have “standing?”

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  9. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    I am hearing 14 States have united to bring about a legal challenge to a national mandate!!

    Would you like to bet on whether or not they  have “standing?”

    They don’t have to fight anything. All we need is a Governor who isn’t a pansy to tell them they have no authority to mandate any of this, then tell them to [CoC] off. Ignore the supposed authority and threaten to arrest any federal officer who tries to enforce it. The day the states realize the amount of power they retain is the day this all ends.

    • #69
  10. Brian Watt Inactive
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    @BrianWatt

    You all know where this is headed. I’ve been trying to warn everyone. Don’t come crawling to me with a dart stuck in your thigh, saying, “Brian…you were right…we should have listened. We thought you were just trying to be funny on Ricochet.”

    • #70
  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    I am hearing 14 States have united to bring about a legal challenge to a national mandate!!

    Would you like to bet on whether or not they have “standing?”

    They don’t have to fight anything. All we need is a Governor who isn’t a pansy to tell them they have no authority to mandate any of this, then tell them to [CoC] off. Ignore the supposed authority and threaten to arrest any federal officer who tries to enforce it. The day the states realize the amount of power they retain is the day this all ends.

    Yes, but, the comment was referring to a legal challenge.  So THAT means court.  Which means one or more judges can decide they don’t have “standing.”

    So, yes, what they need to do is just tell the feds – especially Biden – to pound sand.  Or worse.  And it would probably be better to just do that, rather than take it to some namby-pamby court.  Because if they take it to court, and lose, some Garys lawyers people will say it’s just “sore losers” etc.

    • #71
  12. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    So, yes, what they need to do is just tell the feds – especially Biden – to pound sand.  Or worse.  And it would probably be better to just do that, rather than take it to some namby-pamby court.

    Exactly. The courts proved last year time and time again that they’re not interested in justice or law. Why should we acknowledge them when they ignore both law and the Constitution?

    • #72
  13. Flicker Coolidge
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    CarolJoy, Not So Easy To Kill (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    I just read an article on Marek’s disease in chickens. The hot variant kills all chickens in 10 days. In the 70s a vaccine was developed which first showed what leaky vaccines do. The vaccinated chickens don’t have any bad effects, but they shed the virus copiously and shed (if I understand this correctly) a “hotter” or more deadly variant than they were exposed to, and infect and kill all unvaccinated chickens. So the unvaccinated need to be kept away for majority that are vaccinated or they’ll die.

    Perhaps this is why there’s such a push around the world to vaccinate everyone. Perhaps they now know the adverse effects of the leaky vaccine, and know that the damage has been done, and are now set on vaccinating the whole world in a misguided attempt to correct their mistake.

    Any alternate explanations for the sudden rush to mandate would have to include

    mentioning G-e-n-o-c-i-d-e.

     

    I’m looking for any other rationale.

    • #73
  14. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    I know that are going to be people who try to explain this by selectively using the government’s numbers, and by pulling together scattered facts to build “nuanced” interpretations, but this is what Biden said.

    What Biden said: “The bottom line: We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers.
    Translation: Vaccines don’t protect vaccinated people.

    We still have nearly 80 million Americans who have failed to get the shot.  To make matters worse, there’re elected officials actively working to undermine the fight against covid-19.  Instead of encouraging people to get vaccinated and mask up, they’re ordering mobile morgues for the unvaccinated dying from covid in their communities.”

    Who’s ordering mobile morgues?  Where?  And for how many morgues?  And how many deaths?  This sounds like a recycled sound bite from early 2020.

    To make this short, Biden says that nearly 80 million Americans are unvaccinated, so he’s forcing companies that employ 100 people or more to enforce vaccination, and this will cause the vaccination of more than 80 million workers.  How does this work?

    And what’s more what Biden is saying is that all the 80 million unvaccinated workers work for companies who employ 100 workers or more.  This doesn’t sound reasonable at all.  He’s saying none of the unvaccinated workers works for himself or for a small company.

    I couldn’t watch after the first ten minutes.

    • #74
  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    @kedavis

    Flicker (View Comment):

    I know that are going to be people who try to explain this by selectively using the government’s numbers, and by pulling together scattered facts to build “nuanced” interpretations, but this is what Biden said.

    What Biden said: “The bottom line: We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers.
    Translation: Vaccines don’t protect vaccinated people.

    We still have nearly 80 million Americans who have failed to get the shot. To make matters worse, there’re elected officials actively working to undermine the fight against covid-19. Instead of encouraging people to get vaccinated and mask up, they’re ordering mobile morgues for the unvaccinated dying from covid in their communities.”

    Who’s ordering mobile morgues? Where? And for how many morgues? And how many deaths? This sounds like a recycled sound bite from early 2020.

    To make this short, Biden says that nearly 80 million Americans are unvaccinated, so he’s forcing companies that employ 100 people or more to enforce vaccination, and this will cause the vaccination of more than 80 million workers. How does this work?

    And what’s more what Biden is saying is that all the 80 million unvaccinated workers work for companies who employ 100 workers or more. This doesn’t sound reasonable at all. He’s saying none of the unvaccinated workers works for himself or for a small company.

    I couldn’t watch after the first ten minutes.

    Whether Biden actually believes that crap or not, is basically irrelevant.  But he – or his speech-writers, actually – may be hoping that a lot of people “out there” are stupid enough to believe that.

    • #75
  16. James Lileks Contributor
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    Flicker (View Comment):
    What Biden said: “The bottom line: We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers.
    Translation: Vaccines don’t protect vaccinated people.

    But they do. That’s the idiotic thing about this speech. They’re undercutting what they want to do, because some people are afraid not of getting deathly sick, but of getting COVID, period. They’ve made it this far and they don’t want all the masking and distancing and conspicuous concern to be for naught. 

    • #76
  17. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    What Biden said: “The bottom line: We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers.
    Translation: Vaccines don’t protect vaccinated people.

    But they do. That’s the idiotic thing about this speech. They’re undercutting what they want to do, because some people are afraid not of getting deathly sick, but of getting COVID, period. They’ve made it this far and they don’t want all the masking and distancing and conspicuous concern to be for naught.

    If they were okay with “withdrawing from Afghanistan” and not caring what all went for naught, what’s the big deal about “withdrawing from COVID?”

    Even if they think Biden would screw it up just as much, the consequences aren’t likely to be anything similar.

    • #77
  18. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    I know that are going to be people who try to explain this by selectively using the government’s numbers, and by pulling together scattered facts to build “nuanced” interpretations, but this is what Biden said.

    What Biden said: “The bottom line: We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers.
    Translation: Vaccines don’t protect vaccinated people.

    We still have nearly 80 million Americans who have failed to get the shot. To make matters worse, there’re elected officials actively working to undermine the fight against covid-19. Instead of encouraging people to get vaccinated and mask up, they’re ordering mobile morgues for the unvaccinated dying from covid in their communities.”

    Who’s ordering mobile morgues? Where? And for how many morgues? And how many deaths? This sounds like a recycled sound bite from early 2020.

    To make this short, Biden says that nearly 80 million Americans are unvaccinated, so he’s forcing companies that employ 100 people or more to enforce vaccination, and this will cause the vaccination of more than 80 million workers. How does this work?

    And what’s more what Biden is saying is that all the 80 million unvaccinated workers work for companies who employ 100 workers or more. This doesn’t sound reasonable at all. He’s saying none of the unvaccinated workers works for himself or for a small company.

    I couldn’t watch after the first ten minutes.

    Whether Biden actually believes that crap or not, is basically irrelevant. But he – or his speech-writers, actually – may be hoping that a lot of people “out there” are stupid enough to believe that.

    Yes, true about the speech writers.  But it came out of Biden’s mouth the agenda and the explanations for what the administration is intending to do.  And even the speech writers couldn’t make sense out of it.

    As for people being stupid enough, I saw again today a snippet of young white people explaining how the poor can’t figure out how to use the internet and get ID to vote.  And I wondered how they thought these poor ignorant people (if they actually exist) were then smart enough to choose who should wield the levers of power over the most powerful nation on earth.

    • #78
  19. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Flicker (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    I know that are going to be people who try to explain this by selectively using the government’s numbers, and by pulling together scattered facts to build “nuanced” interpretations, but this is what Biden said.

    What Biden said: “The bottom line: We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers.
    Translation: Vaccines don’t protect vaccinated people.

    We still have nearly 80 million Americans who have failed to get the shot. To make matters worse, there’re elected officials actively working to undermine the fight against covid-19. Instead of encouraging people to get vaccinated and mask up, they’re ordering mobile morgues for the unvaccinated dying from covid in their communities.”

    Who’s ordering mobile morgues? Where? And for how many morgues? And how many deaths? This sounds like a recycled sound bite from early 2020.

    To make this short, Biden says that nearly 80 million Americans are unvaccinated, so he’s forcing companies that employ 100 people or more to enforce vaccination, and this will cause the vaccination of more than 80 million workers. How does this work?

    And what’s more what Biden is saying is that all the 80 million unvaccinated workers work for companies who employ 100 workers or more. This doesn’t sound reasonable at all. He’s saying none of the unvaccinated workers works for himself or for a small company.

    I couldn’t watch after the first ten minutes.

    Whether Biden actually believes that crap or not, is basically irrelevant. But he – or his speech-writers, actually – may be hoping that a lot of people “out there” are stupid enough to believe that.

    Yes, true about the speech writers. But it came out of Biden’s mouth the agenda and the explanations for what the administration is intending to do. And even the speech writers couldn’t make sense out of it.

    As for people being stupid enough, I saw again today a snippet of young white people explaining how the poor can’t figure out how to use the internet and get ID to vote. And I wondered how they thought these poor ignorant people (if they actually exist) were then smart enough to choose who should wield the levers of power over the most powerful nation on earth.

    Of course, that’s why it’s only right for the Dem officials to cast their votes for them, too.

    • #79
  20. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    What Biden said: “The bottom line: We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers.
    Translation: Vaccines don’t protect vaccinated people.

    But they do. That’s the idiotic thing about this speech. They’re undercutting what they want to do, because some people are afraid not of getting deathly sick, but of getting COVID, period. They’ve made it this far and they don’t want all the masking and distancing and conspicuous concern to be for naught.

    Well, they do and they don’t.  They save some, and kill a lot of others depending on pre-vaccine covid exposure and post-vaccine exposure.

    But no matter how either one of us value the vaccine, and disagree on efficacy, neither one of us approve of this statement.  Odd in a presidential speech written to address one problem.

    • #80
  21. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    James Lileks (View Comment):
    But they do. That’s the idiotic thing about this speech.

    Do they? I have yet to see any benefit from the vaccine anywhere in the world to justify the harm it’s caused on so many levels.

    It’s been great for Bill Gates and a few other billionaires with financial interests in vaccine distribution I guess, but not all of us have 1.3 billion dollars worth of stock in Walmart. 

    Is there another winner I’m not aware of? Maybe the Eugenicists? 

    • #81
  22. Full Size Tabby Member
    Full Size Tabby
    @FullSizeTabby

    Why the obsessive mono-focus on vaccines? Why not put at least some of that effort into developing treatments for people who get the disease? (I know, considering treatments undermines the false but effective fear-porn narrative that getting Covid is practically a guaranteed death sentence. )

    • #82
  23. Full Size Tabby Member
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    @FullSizeTabby

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    HMMM.

    But Trump was a threat to freedom?

     

    Continuing the pattern that every accusation made against Trump applies in much greater amounts to Biden.

    Corruption 

    Dishonesty 

    Meanness 

    Divisiveness 

    Chaotic 

    Authoritarianism 

    • #83
  24. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):
    What Biden said: “The bottom line: We’re going to protect vaccinated workers from unvaccinated co-workers.
    Translation: Vaccines don’t protect vaccinated people.

    But they do. That’s the idiotic thing about this speech. They’re undercutting what they want to do, because some people are afraid not of getting deathly sick, but of getting COVID, period. They’ve made it this far and they don’t want all the masking and distancing and conspicuous concern to be for naught.

    I don’t think it’s as simple as stepping on their own narrative. I keep getting the sense of something far darker and more sinister, and I can’t shake it.

    • #84
  25. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):
    Why the obsessive mono-focus on vaccines? Why not put at least some of that effort into developing treatments for people who get the disease?

    But people might survive.

    • #85
  26. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    @BryanGStephens

    Full Size Tabby (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    HMMM.

    But Trump was a threat to freedom?

     

    Continuing the pattern that every accusation made against Trump applies in much greater amounts to Biden.

    Corruption

    Dishonesty

    Meanness

    Divisiveness

    Chaotic

    Authoritarianism

    Yes! All of which was evident before 2020.

    Never Trumpers are hypocrites 

    • #86
  27. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Is there another winner I’m not aware of? Maybe the Eugenicists?

    Ding ding ding ding!

    I can think of so many leftist ideologies that boil down to “too many people, and not the right kind of people.” So much of what they believe stems from that core assertion.

    For one: the narrative for 50 years has been that the planet is overpopulated. The climate church has convinced everyone that people are bad for Mother Earth, and Gaia is responding with hurricanes and volcanoes and earthquakes. In order to appease their goddess, they are engaging in human sacrifice at an enormous scale.

    For another: healthcare is expensive, especially as people age, so the only way to provide free healthcare to the entire planet is to kill off people after a certain age (see Ezekiel Emmanuel) to save money.

    It goes on and on . . .

    • #87
  28. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    I think it is clear, that the plot of the Kingsmen movie would have been embraced and world leaders would have signed up enmass. 

    • #88
  29. W Bob Member
    W Bob
    @WBob

    Scott Gottlieb this morning pointed out that 75% of adults are at least half vaccinated. You’ll never get over 90% even with the mandate, since it doesn’t cover everyone and even basic vaccines for children never get that high. Even without the mandate, the current trajectory would have reached north of 80%. So we’re taking about a best case increase of vaccinated people in the single digits. And that doesn’t take into account the backfire effect it might have, when people on the fence feel coerced and decide not to get vaccinated. And also how long it will take to actually implement given that the rule making will take weeks and the legal challenges. 

    So there doesn’t seem to be any discernible purpose to the new mandate other than to increase acrimony and division. 

    • #89
  30. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    W Bob (View Comment):

    Scott Gottlieb this morning pointed out that 75% of adults are at least half vaccinated. You’ll never get over 90% even with the mandate, since it doesn’t cover everyone and even basic vaccines for children never get that high. Even without the mandate, the current trajectory would have reached north of 80%. So we’re taking about a best case increase of vaccinated people in the single digits. And that doesn’t take into account the backfire effect it might have, when people on the fence feel coerced and decide not to get vaccinated. And also how long it will take to actually implement given that the rule making will take weeks and the legal challenges.

    So there doesn’t seem to be any discernible purpose to the new mandate other than to increase acrimony and division.

    Well, and crash the economy. See “Cloward-Piven Strategy.”

    • #90
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