Please Get Vaccinated

 

We are in the middle of another COVID spike in Texas, in much of the rest of the country and the world.  In Texas new infections are up by 300 to 400%.

Fear-mongering comes in the news in the form of Greek letters these days, but the fear-mongering has a kernel of truth to it.  Unvaccinated people are at increased risk of getting infected; as an adult, if you get infected you have a 10% chance of getting severe disease.  Leaving aside the chance of death, if you get severe disease you have a 30% chance of having long-term problems, like dementia, which in popular accounts is described as “brain fog”.  And the brain fog for those who get it is not going away.

So, according to the Wall Street Journal,  if you’re not vaccinated your chance of getting long-term problems or dying from COVID is 25 times greater than for those who are vaccinated.  Yes, the vaccines are incredibly effective and safe, better than most vaccines we’ve had before.  And they are still effective even against the Delta variant of COVID.   Pray to God that no resistant strains of the virus ever emerge, but the longer this pandemic drags on the more likely it is that resistant strains will emerge.  And this pandemic is going to keep going as long as people don’t get immunity, either through catching the disease or through vaccination.

Here in Podunkville, Texas, you can walk into any Big Box Drug Store and get jabbed, usually for free.  There’s a huge amount of evidence now that the vaccines are safe long-term.  If that’s not good enough for you then every single one of the medications and vaccines that we’ve ever used are not good enough for you.

Get vaccinated, my people.

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  1. Roderic Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Roderic (View Comment):
    Given the nature of the lung damage in severe COVID, i.e., the alveoli are wrecked, the damage can be permanent.

    Isn’t there any treatment short of hospitalization in the ICU?

    If the patient can’t oxygenate well enough without ventilation then there’s no choice but ICU care.  Of course, this is with severe disease, which is becoming less likely.

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  2. Roderic Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I wish somebody could explain to me how a booster could possibly help your body recognize a larger range of variants.  There was no link to other reports to back up that statement.

    Presumably the booster would be a modified form of the vaccine to cover the variants.

    • #92
  3. Roderic Coolidge
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):
    Not that the public is allowed to know about or use.  Fauci has a financial interest in the makers of the vaccine.  I understand that, for the vaccines to receive emergency authorization, there cannot be any other approved treatments.  I also understand that Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin, both very old OTC medicines, have been shown (sorry, no links right now but they can be found) to be effective in relieving symptoms of Covid.

    With respect, we conservatives don’t cover ourselves with glory when we embrace these sorts of conspiracy theories.

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  4. philo Member
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    Roderic (View Comment): “…we conservatives… “

    That part made me giggle.

    • #94
  5. Roderic Coolidge
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    James Salerno (View Comment):
    I will never get a Covid vaccine, ever.

    I wouldn’t worry about it.  The way things are going you will eventually catch COVID and then you’ll be immune.  Hopefully, you won’t suffer complications of the infection.  Or get someone else infected.  

    The way I assess the risk getting the vaccine is several orders of magnitude safer than waiting to get infected even if you are young.

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  6. Roderic Coolidge
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    Vince Guerra (View Comment):

    Roderic: you can walk into any Big Box Drug Store and get jabbed, usually for free.

    Ask them to show you the warnings/side effects insert.

    Ha!  No one would ever take any medicine if they read those inserts.  Written by lawyers they are.

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  7. Flicker Coolidge
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    Roderic (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Roderic (View Comment):
    Given the nature of the lung damage in severe COVID, i.e., the alveoli are wrecked, the damage can be permanent.

    Isn’t there any treatment short of hospitalization in the ICU?

    If the patient can’t oxygenate well enough without ventilation then there’s no choice but ICU care. Of course, this is with severe disease, which is becoming less likely.

    My understanding is that covid-positive people were told to go home from the ER and come back when they can’t breathe.  Isn’t there an alternative treatment to this?

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  8. Roderic Coolidge
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    James Salerno (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    James Salerno (View Comment):
    The virus is killing old people and fat people.

    40% of the deaths were diabetic.

    Nearly 40% of all COVID-19 deaths in the US were among people with diabetes, expert suggests | Daily Mail Online

    I am a diabetic. Type 1 diabetic since age seven. The problem here is that type 1 and 2 are treated as the same disease when they are not. Obesity is almost always the leading cause in Type 2, so then we are just looking at the same spot on the Venn diagram.

    Between being old, being fat, being diabetic, being hypertensive, and being deficient in Vitamin D the risk factor that seems to be the most central in causing severe COVID is being obese.  Even young fat people who are otherwise healthy are more likely to have severe COVID infections.

    Yes, diabetes I and II are different diseases treated differently with different pathogenesis, different natural histories, etc.

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  9. Roderic Coolidge
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    Came across this chart today of Covid cases in San Francisco, the most vaccinated big city in America. The numbers are small, but there looks to be a bit of an uptick in cases and hospitalizations. Like a groundhog, I am predicting six more weeks of a hype.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6XCx2uVcAAPzyS.jpg

    Well, the number of vent cases is staying low compared to April, which is good.

    • #99
  10. Roderic Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):
    They were not meant to be used by the general population. 

    The idea of mRNA vaccines was developed by DARPA for military use because in the face of a military biological weapon threat a new vaccine could be turned out rapidly.  That’s true, but I know of no reason it should have stayed confined to the military if it’s safe and effective.

    I really don’t understand the thinking of those who criticize these vaccines on the basis that they were not “fully approved” or some such.  We were supposed to wait 10 years for the regular approval process to be completed?  Really?  What happened to the famous conservative aversion to stupid regulations?

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  11. D.A. Venters Inactive
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    I got the vaccine, seemed to be the best course to me. Virtually every doctor and nurse I know strongly recommended it, got it, and had their families get it. That tells me a lot. 

    I know it’s not data and obviously not everyone’s experience but I’ve known two people under 50, one of whom I think was even late ‘30’s, but I’m not sure, who died from Covid.  I know of several others who were older than that, of course, who died. And these have not been pleasant deaths, apparently. And, of course, I have known or know of a number of others who were hospitalized and had close calls.  I have never in my lifetime seen a contagious illness have this kind of impact. 

    So, I recognize everyone has had different experiences and mine may not be representative, but the vaccine was an easy call for me. 

    And I’m not bothered by the “fear motivation” critique. How many people who use that argument to criticize the Covid response have a CCW for protection? More than a few, I would guess. Everybody is motivated by fear of something.

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  12. The Reticulator Member
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    Roderic (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I wish somebody could explain to me how a booster could possibly help your body recognize a larger range of variants. There was no link to other reports to back up that statement.

    Presumably the booster would be a modified form of the vaccine to cover the variants.

    Yes, I understand that, but this was said in reference to the 2nd shot of the two-shot regimens, such as the Pfizer vaccine, that are out there now.

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  13. MiMac Thatcher
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Either way, it is good time to stock up on anti-viral treatments for the home.

    There are no effective anti-virals

    The CDC has a list of effective anti-virals here.

    None work for COVID which is the item of discussion. 

    • #103
  14. Roderic Coolidge
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    I’m sorry this is a ridiculous discussion.  Way too much nonsense being spewed out.  

    Well, yeah, but then you continued writing your post.

    Sorry for the snark.  Allow me to expand:

    The fact that fewer people have severe disease now is most likely due to the fact the it’s younger people catching it as most of the old ones are vaccinated in the US.

    Dr. Malone may have helped invent the vaccine but he doesn’t seem to know much about clinical pharmacology.  As with all medications the vaccine has toxic effects if too much is given.  One of the things determined in trials is the safe dose, so all the brouhaha about spike protein effects is moot.  The vaccine is made to provoke production of spike protein in the body to which the body’s immune system reacts, resulting in immunity to COVID.  This has the potential of getting out of hand unless kept small enough for the body to tolerate.  This is precisely the goal of proper dose determination.

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  15. Flicker Coolidge
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    Roderic (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    They were not meant to be used by the general population.

    The idea of mRNA vaccines was developed by DARPA for military use because in the face of a military biological weapon threat a new vaccine could be turned out rapidly. That’s true, but I know of no reason it should have stayed confined to the military if it’s safe and effective.

    I really don’t understand the thinking of those who criticize these vaccines on the basis that they were not “fully approved” or some such. We were supposed to wait 10 years for the regular approval process to be completed? Really? What happened to the famous conservative aversion to stupid regulations?

    The were not fully tested.

    • #105
  16. Roderic Coolidge
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    Jules PA (View Comment):
    If anyone is to blame for hesitancy, beyond the sheer data, it is the malice of those two, and the complicit media. 

    What sheer data?

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  17. Flicker Coolidge
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    Either way, it is good time to stock up on anti-viral treatments for the home.

    There are no effective anti-virals

    The CDC has a list of effective anti-virals here.

    None work for COVID which is the item of discussion.

    The CDC isn’t telling.  Fauci said that he has a good coronavirus antiviral didn’t he?  But this information is being censored.  Whom should you believe?

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  18. James Salerno Inactive
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    I will never understand asking someone else to get this vaccine. If you believe it works, you get it. It shouldn’t matter what anyone else does if you think that your choice will protect you.

    I will deal with the “brain fog” if I get it. The same way I deal with any make-believe illnesses that were just created for the millennial generation, like “chronic anxiety” or “chronic fatigue” syndrome. Wake me up when the Black Plague hits, then I’ll pay attention. I am much more concerned with how weak our society is becoming when we are desperately throwing around charts and graphs to argue the difference between a miniscule chance and a microscopic chance of something bad or mildly inconvenient happening. A society this weak will become incapable of handling any kind of conflict whatsoever. This concerns me much more than “brain fog.”

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  19. Roderic Coolidge
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    Brandon (View Comment):
    There is a significant portion of the population–young folks with no comorbidities–for who the vaccine carries significant more risks than Covid does. 

    No, this is a false statement.  Even for young people the disease is orders of magnitude riskier.  Besides which, young people getting infected keeps the pandemic going.

    You are asserting that they should shoulder the risk of an unproven vaccine so you don’t have to shoulder the risk of Covid.  Yet somehow the “vaccine hesitant” are painted as the selfish ones.  You do realize that they have no legal or ethical responsibility for your health, right?  

    To say that this vaccine is unproven is asserting a falsehood.  We have more than 100 million cases vaccinated in the US alone to look at, and the vaccine is shaping up to be one of the safest and most effective ever made.  We won’t get better evidence than that.

    It would be selfish for me to tell you to get vaccinated so that this damned virus will finally go away?  I’m fully vaccinated.  I’m mostly out of the equation at this point.  The benefit you’ll get is mostly for you and all the other unvaccinated.

     

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  20. Ontheleftcoast Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    So here is my proposal: For each unvaccinated person who comes forward to get the jab, offer them a free supply of HCQ and Ivermectin. If those things are effective against covid-19, they’re probably effective against any bad side effects from the vaccine, too.

    Uh.

    Why would you think that?

    Because the vaccine produces a small, non-replicating subset of what the virus produces. (There is replication that takes place with the vaccine, but the vaccine doesn’t replicate itself.)

    The vaccine produces a small, non-replicating subset of the proteins the virus produces. This subset is a major part of what produces, among other things, damage to the vascular endothelium in general, and microvascular damage in particular. There are many pathologies in which this tissue is already compromised. In addition, the liposomal delivery vehicle for the mRNA contains novel lipids which themselves produce a strong, in some cases very strong, immune response.

    Osteoarthritis, erectile dysfunction, retinal vascular disease, and some forms of kidney disease and dementia are among these disorders; really most pathologies associated with diabetes, which does a good deal of its damage by compromising the function of the blood vessel lining. Microvascular function is critical to placental health, so this may explain reports of miscarriages in recently vaccinated women.

    HCQ is believed to act (at least in part) by blocking SARS Co-V2 binding to ACE-2 receptors, so there is good reason to think that they may protect against tissue damage caused by spike protein, though there are indications that ACE-2 binding may not be the only mechanism by which the spike protein causes problems.

    The bottom line is that a person with immune problems faces a near certainty of encountering the spike protein in large amounts if vaccinated, a much lower likelihood of encountering the virus itself, and has a drug available which is both prophylactic and, in the early stages of the disease, a successful therapy. 

    The EUA would never have been granted if the real efficacy of HCQ and ivermectin had not been the target of a successful disinformation campaign.

     

     

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  21. Roderic Coolidge
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    Brandon (View Comment):

    Again, this is based on numbers pulled before vaccines were widely available.  Show me the numbers for a middle aged person with no comorbidities based current (highly effective) treatments for Covid.

    This kind of criticism is cynical because it takes advantage of the fact that we don’t know some things.  What we do know, however, refutes your argument.  The vaccine is much less risky than getting the disease.  There should be no controversy about that.

    What “highly effective” treatments?  People are stull landing in the ICU!

    The vaccines we’ve had before have a proven track record of decades of use.  However, mRNA vaccines have virtually no long-term track record, and there are some legitimate questions about the safety of mRNA technology.  Do some research on the concerns of scientist regarding the spike protein in the mRNA vaccine and its tendency to drift around the body.  Is there risk in going unvaccinated?  Of course.  But let’s not pretend that the vaccine has no risk. 

    Talking about potential future side effects is fear mongering based on speculation without evidence.  What we know about vaccines in general is that significant side effects show up less than 2 months from the jab.  There’s no reason to think that this vaccine is any different; the effect of it is to present foreign proteins to the body, the same as older vaccines.

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  22. philo Member
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    In which the true believers become unintentionally self-mocking…sad.

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  23. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    conspiracy theories

    And this made me laugh!!  The first time I’ve been called a conspiracy theorist!

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

    Both Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin are old, well-tested, cheap drugs.  They do NO harm, so why not try one or both if you get Covid?  Take your zinc and Vitamin D too.

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  24. MiMac Thatcher
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    Ontheleftcoast (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    So here is my proposal: For each unvaccinated person who comes forward to get the jab, offer them a free supply of HCQ and Ivermectin. If those things are effective against covid-19, they’re probably effective against any bad side effects from the vaccine, too.

    Uh.

    Why would you think that?

    Because the vaccine produces a small, non-replicating subset of what the virus produces. (There is replication that takes place with the vaccine, but the vaccine doesn’t replicate itself.)

    The vaccine produces a small, non-replicating subset of the proteins the virus produces. This subset is a major part of what produces, among other things, damage to the vascular endothelium in general, and microvascular damage in particular. There are many pathologies in which this tissue is already compromised. In addition, the liposomal delivery vehicle for the mRNA contains novel lipids which themselves produce a strong, in some cases very strong, immune response.

    Osteoarthritis, erectile dysfunction, retinal vascular disease, and some forms of kidney disease and dementia are among these disorders; really most pathologies associated with diabetes, which does a good deal of its damage by compromising the function of the blood vessel lining. Microvascular function is critical to placental health, so this may explain reports of miscarriages in recently vaccinated women.

    HCQ is believed to act (at least in part) by blocking SARS Co-V2 binding to ACE-2 receptors, so there is good reason to think that they may protect against tissue damage caused by spike protein, though there are indications that ACE-2 binding may not be the only mechanism by which the spike protein causes problems.

    The bottom line is that a person with immune problems faces a near certainty of encountering the spike protein in large amounts if vaccinated, a much lower likelihood of encountering the virus itself, and has a drug available which is both prophylactic and, in the early stages of the disease, a successful therapy.

    The EUA would never have been granted if the real efficacy of HCQ and ivermectin had not been the target of a successful disinformation campaign.

    HCQ doesn’t work by any mechanism b/c it doesn’t work period. Ivermectin is unproven and most of the studies claiming it works are poor quality studies. In the various meta analysis articles claiming it works, ( ie Hill, Bryant,  and Khory)the entire positive result for ivermectin essentially depends on two studies- NEITHER OF WHICH HAS BEEN PUBLISHED- ie Elgazaar  (Egypt) and Niaee (Iran)- the Elgazaar study has recently been retracted (closer inspection of the article has lead to suspicions that it is a fraudulent study)-https://www.theguardian.com/science/2021/jul/16/huge-study-supporting-ivermectin-as-covid-treatment-withdrawn-over-ethical-concerns.

    the other study (Niaee) has serious questions about it as well-a good review of the problems with the ivermectin studies:

    https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/954681

    a further point- many of the studies claiming ivermectin works come from places where the incidence of “zombie studies” and suspected fraudulent studies is high- ie Iran and Egypt or from sites with problems. As an example:https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/surgisphere-sows-confusion-about-another-unproven-covid19-drug-67635

    So far, the better quality studies typically do not support the use of ivermectin. The PRINCIPAL study has an ivermectin arm and hopefully it will clear up the situation.

    lastly- an ounce of prevention (vaccine) is worth a pound of treatment….

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  25. MiMac Thatcher
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    RushBabe49 (View Comment):

    conspiracy theories

    And this made me laugh!! The first time I’ve been called a conspiracy theorist!

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

    Both Hydroxychloroquine and Ivermectin are old, well-tested, cheap drugs. They do NO harm, so why not try one or both if you get Covid? Take your zinc and Vitamin D too.

    No medicine exists which does no harm…..even vitamins can be bad

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8901853/

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  26. Roderic Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I think that many of the anti-covid-vaccine arguments are foolish or silly, but I want to continue to live in a country where people are free to continue to do foolish and silly things, even at some risk to others. 

    I’ll make it clear that I’m not advocating mandatory vaccination, but I do wish people would get vaccinated.

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  27. Roderic Coolidge
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    philo (View Comment):

    Roderic (View Comment): “…we conservatives… “

    That part made me giggle.

    So I’m not a conservative because I advocate vaccines?  I advocate vaccines using conservative principles, like conserving my rear end and yours.

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  28. Roderic Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    Roderic (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Roderic (View Comment):
    Given the nature of the lung damage in severe COVID, i.e., the alveoli are wrecked, the damage can be permanent.

    Isn’t there any treatment short of hospitalization in the ICU?

    If the patient can’t oxygenate well enough without ventilation then there’s no choice but ICU care. Of course, this is with severe disease, which is becoming less likely.

    My understanding is that covid-positive people were told to go home from the ER and come back when they can’t breathe. Isn’t there an alternative treatment to this?

    There are treatments available.  I’m not that up on how good they are, but a lot of ER docs don’t think they are good enough to bother with.  Some docs here in Texas will offer you ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine, your choice.  My understanding is that people are told to get an oxygen saturation monitor (from a drug store) and come back when the sat. drops below a certain level, like 94% or something,  It’s only a small percentage who have to come back.  Most go on to recover uneventfully.

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  29. Roderic Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Roderic (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    I wish somebody could explain to me how a booster could possibly help your body recognize a larger range of variants. There was no link to other reports to back up that statement.

    Presumably the booster would be a modified form of the vaccine to cover the variants.

    Yes, I understand that, but this was said in reference to the 2nd shot of the two-shot regimens, such as the Pfizer vaccine, that are out there now.

    I don’t get that myself.  Just more immunity, I guess.

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  30. philo Member
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    Roderic (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Roderic (View Comment): “…we conservatives… “

    That part made me giggle.

    So I’m not a conservative because I advocate vaccines?

    I did not say any such thing. (I do scoff at the use of the universal “we” for such applications around here.)

    Roderic (View Comment): I advocate vaccines using conservative principles, like conserving my rear end and yours.

    But then again, maybe I should say such a thing. (I guess that would fall under the “compassionate” brand of conservatism that has done wonders for diluting the brand into meaninglessness.)

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