Please Get Vaccinated

 

We are in the middle of another COVID spike in Texas, in much of the rest of the country and the world.  In Texas new infections are up by 300 to 400%.

Fear-mongering comes in the news in the form of Greek letters these days, but the fear-mongering has a kernel of truth to it.  Unvaccinated people are at increased risk of getting infected; as an adult, if you get infected you have a 10% chance of getting severe disease.  Leaving aside the chance of death, if you get severe disease you have a 30% chance of having long-term problems, like dementia, which in popular accounts is described as “brain fog”.  And the brain fog for those who get it is not going away.

So, according to the Wall Street Journal,  if you’re not vaccinated your chance of getting long-term problems or dying from COVID is 25 times greater than for those who are vaccinated.  Yes, the vaccines are incredibly effective and safe, better than most vaccines we’ve had before.  And they are still effective even against the Delta variant of COVID.   Pray to God that no resistant strains of the virus ever emerge, but the longer this pandemic drags on the more likely it is that resistant strains will emerge.  And this pandemic is going to keep going as long as people don’t get immunity, either through catching the disease or through vaccination.

Here in Podunkville, Texas, you can walk into any Big Box Drug Store and get jabbed, usually for free.  There’s a huge amount of evidence now that the vaccines are safe long-term.  If that’s not good enough for you then every single one of the medications and vaccines that we’ve ever used are not good enough for you.

Get vaccinated, my people.

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  1. MiMac Thatcher
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    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    And here is another:

    This is all excellent news, as is the finding that 99% of hospitalizations for Covid-19 are among unvaccinated people.

    This 99% number is deceptive. It is fact checked against against numbers starting in January, when the vaccination rate was near zero. The article also says the CDC doesn’t track Covid deaths for vaccinated people. The last thing is that the population of people vaccinated is not the same as the population of people not vaccinated. People self-select and those choosing to get vaccinated are more likely to self-isolate. Anyway, the best data says that mRNA vaccines reduce death rate by 90-95%. That is good and worth the risk for people over 50. For young people, the trade-off is a 1:1,000,000 chance of dying from Wuhan Lab Flu against a 1:1,000,000 chance of dying from the vaccine.

     No- the data for May shows that over 99% of the deaths were in the UNVACCINATED 

    https://newsroom.ohiohealth.com/nbc4-99-percent-of-covid-19-deaths-in-may-were-unvaccinated/

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  2. DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) Coolidge
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    Came across this chart today of Covid cases in San Francisco, the most vaccinated big city in America.  The numbers are small, but there looks to be a bit of an uptick in cases and hospitalizations.  Like a groundhog, I am predicting six more weeks of a hype.

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E6XCx2uVcAAPzyS.jpg

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    And here is another:

    This is all excellent news, as is the finding that 99% of hospitalizations for Covid-19 are among unvaccinated people.

    This 99% number is deceptive. It is fact checked against against numbers starting in January, when the vaccination rate was near zero. The article also says the CDC doesn’t track Covid deaths for vaccinated people. The last thing is that the population of people vaccinated is not the same as the population of people not vaccinated. People self-select and those choosing to get vaccinated are more likely to self-isolate. Anyway, the best data says that mRNA vaccines reduce death rate by 90-95%. That is good and worth the risk for people over 50. For young people, the trade-off is a 1:1,000,000 chance of dying from Wuhan Lab Flu against a 1:1,000,000 chance of dying from the vaccine.

    No- the data for May shows that over 99% of the deaths were in the UNVACCINATED

    https://newsroom.ohiohealth.com/nbc4-99-percent-of-covid-19-deaths-in-may-were-unvaccinated/

    Aren’t there some so-called co-morbidities which not only make someone more susceptible to to dying from the virus, but are also contraindications for vaccination?

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  4. MiMac Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    And here is another:

    This is all excellent news, as is the finding that 99% of hospitalizations for Covid-19 are among unvaccinated people.

    This 99% number is deceptive. It is fact checked against against numbers starting in January, when the vaccination rate was near zero. The article also says the CDC doesn’t track Covid deaths for vaccinated people. The last thing is that the population of people vaccinated is not the same as the population of people not vaccinated. People self-select and those choosing to get vaccinated are more likely to self-isolate. Anyway, the best data says that mRNA vaccines reduce death rate by 90-95%. That is good and worth the risk for people over 50. For young people, the trade-off is a 1:1,000,000 chance of dying from Wuhan Lab Flu against a 1:1,000,000 chance of dying from the vaccine.

    No- the data for May shows that over 99% of the deaths were in the UNVACCINATED

    https://newsroom.ohiohealth.com/nbc4-99-percent-of-covid-19-deaths-in-may-were-unvaccinated/

    Aren’t there some so-called co-morbidities which not only make someone more susceptible to to dying from the virus, but are also contraindications for vaccination?

    The only real contraindications to the mRNA vaccine is allergy to its constituents. For those with severe immuncompromise an attenuated virus vaccine (ie not the mRNA vaccines) can have increased risk. That is one of the reasons mRNA vaccine technology was developed (as well as probably decreasing the risk of post vaccine Guillain-Barre Syndrome- which rarely occurs after vaccines & viral infections). Immunocompromised people may not be as fully protected by the vaccine as those with healthier immune systems-but half a loaf is better than none since they are at higher risk from COVID infection. Best to talk to your doctor about your individual situation.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    And here is another:

    This is all excellent news, as is the finding that 99% of hospitalizations for Covid-19 are among unvaccinated people.

    This 99% number is deceptive. It is fact checked against against numbers starting in January, when the vaccination rate was near zero. The article also says the CDC doesn’t track Covid deaths for vaccinated people. The last thing is that the population of people vaccinated is not the same as the population of people not vaccinated. People self-select and those choosing to get vaccinated are more likely to self-isolate. Anyway, the best data says that mRNA vaccines reduce death rate by 90-95%. That is good and worth the risk for people over 50. For young people, the trade-off is a 1:1,000,000 chance of dying from Wuhan Lab Flu against a 1:1,000,000 chance of dying from the vaccine.

    No- the data for May shows that over 99% of the deaths were in the UNVACCINATED

    https://newsroom.ohiohealth.com/nbc4-99-percent-of-covid-19-deaths-in-may-were-unvaccinated/

    Aren’t there some so-called co-morbidities which not only make someone more susceptible to to dying from the virus, but are also contraindications for vaccination?

    The only real contraindications to the mRNA vaccine is allergy to its constituents. For those with severe immuncompromise an attenuated virus vaccine (ie not the mRNA vaccines) can have increased risk. That is one of the reasons mRNA vaccine technology was developed (as well as probably decreasing the risk of post vaccine Guillain-Barre Syndrome- which rarely occurs after vaccines & viral infections). Immunocompromised people may not be as fully protected by the vaccine as those with healthier immune systems-but half a loaf is better than none since they are at higher risk from COVID infection. Best to talk to your doctor about your individual situation.

    I’m not convinced that everyday doctors really know all that much about vaccinations, especially these newest ones.  They don’t really do all that much studying about it in med school, or after.  Also the mrna stuff is very new, and was developed largely because of a need by the military to rapidly develop and deploy vaccinations for people who are being called into various locations with different risks, with short notice.  They were not meant to be used by the general population.  One of the most recent explanations of that comes from David Adler in the latest “Flagship” Ricochet Podcast.

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  6. MiMac Thatcher
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    DonG (2+2=5. Say it!) (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    And here is another:

    This is all excellent news, as is the finding that 99% of hospitalizations for Covid-19 are among unvaccinated people.

    This 99% number is deceptive. It is fact checked against against numbers starting in January, when the vaccination rate was near zero. The article also says the CDC doesn’t track Covid deaths for vaccinated people. The last thing is that the population of people vaccinated is not the same as the population of people not vaccinated. People self-select and those choosing to get vaccinated are more likely to self-isolate. Anyway, the best data says that mRNA vaccines reduce death rate by 90-95%. That is good and worth the risk for people over 50. For young people, the trade-off is a 1:1,000,000 chance of dying from Wuhan Lab Flu against a 1:1,000,000 chance of dying from the vaccine.

    No- the data for May shows that over 99% of the deaths were in the UNVACCINATED

    https://newsroom.ohiohealth.com/nbc4-99-percent-of-covid-19-deaths-in-may-were-unvaccinated/

    Aren’t there some so-called co-morbidities which not only make someone more susceptible to to dying from the virus, but are also contraindications for vaccination?

    The only real contraindications to the mRNA vaccine is allergy to its constituents. For those with severe immuncompromise an attenuated virus vaccine (ie not the mRNA vaccines) can have increased risk. That is one of the reasons mRNA vaccine technology was developed (as well as probably decreasing the risk of post vaccine Guillain-Barre Syndrome- which rarely occurs after vaccines & viral infections). Immunocompromised people may not be as fully protected by the vaccine as those with healthier immune systems-but half a loaf is better than none since they are at higher risk from COVID infection. Best to talk to your doctor about your individual situation.

    I’m not convinced that everyday doctors really know all that much about vaccinations, especially these newest ones. They don’t really do all that much studying about it in med school, or after. Also the mrna stuff is very new, and was developed largely because of a need by the military to rapidly develop and deploy vaccinations for people who are being called into various locations with different risks, with short notice. They were not meant to be used by the general population. One of the most recent explanations of that comes from David Adler in the latest “Flagship” Ricochet Podcast.

    3.6 BILLION doses with an excellent safety & efficacy record is hard to argue against- theoretical concerns pale in the face of such data- not epistemological certainty but getting darn close.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

    the 3.6 billion isn’t just mRNA vaxes but they are a large part of it. Furthermore mRNA vaccine technology was being developed for many reasons- as standard vaccine technology (ie the general population) and for the creation of cancer vaccines etc.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    MiMac (View Comment):

    3.6 BILLION doses with an excellent safety & efficacy record is hard to argue against- theoretical concerns pale in the face of such data- not epistemological certainty but getting darn close.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

    For vaccines that require 2 doses, that’s closer to 1.8 billion people.

     

    the 3.6 billion isn’t just mRNA vaxes but they are a large part of it. Furthermore mRNA vaccine technology was being developed for many reasons- as standard vaccine technology (ie the general population) and for the creation of cancer vaccines etc.

    If someone has cancer, they would be more willing to risk possible side-effects from an experimental vaccine, and they already ARE more willing to risk side-effects as witnessed by cancer patients who undergo chemotherapy, radiation, and etc which would never (I hope) be imposed on the general population.

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  8. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    MiMac (View Comment):

    3.6 BILLION doses with an excellent safety & efficacy record is hard to argue against- theoretical concerns pale in the face of such data- not epistemological certainty but getting darn close.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/

    For vaccines that require 2 doses, that’s closer to 1.8 billion people.

    OurWorldInData says it’s a little over 2 billion people. So, yes, that qualifies as closer to 1.8 billion.  (And OurWorldInData agrees with the 3.6 billion doses.)

    the 3.6 billion isn’t just mRNA vaxes but they are a large part of it. Furthermore mRNA vaccine technology was being developed for many reasons- as standard vaccine technology (ie the general population) and for the creation of cancer vaccines etc.

    If someone has cancer, they would be more willing to risk possible side-effects from an experimental vaccine, and they already ARE more willing to risk side-effects as witnessed by cancer patients who undergo chemotherapy, radiation, and etc which would never (I hope) be imposed on the general population.

    I don’t think many of the experimental cancer treatments are in the form of vaccines, not that it matters to your main point.

    As I’ve said before, I find it amazing that people who think sars-cov-2 is nothing to be concerned about are scared to death of something that does only a small part of what sars-cov-2 does, and is not capable of self-replicating like sars-cov-2 does.  But there they are.

    So here is my proposal:  For each unvaccinated person who comes forward to get the jab, offer them a free supply of HCQ and Ivermectin.  If those things are effective against covid-19, they’re probably effective against any bad side effects from the vaccine, too.

    It’s a win-win, no?

    If any of you want to nominate me for the Nobel Peace Prize or the Nobel Prize in Medicine and Public Health for this groundbreaking proposal, please check my profile for the correct spelling of my name. I promise to use my share of the financial award to throw the biggest Ricochet party you’ve ever seen.

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  9. Unsk Member
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    I’m sorry this is a ridiculous discussion.  Way too much nonsense being spewed out.  

    There is no long term evidence that the mRNA “vaccines” are safe. Period.

    How could there be? For  there has been no long term testing to prove it? Evidence in the places where COVID “infections” are spiking , don’t show a corresponding spike in deaths, so this new “Delta” pandemic has not been shown to be anywhere  near the danger these scare tactics want to portray.

     The D614G strain which hit Italy in mid- February 2020 and New York in mid-March 2020 killed over a hundred times the total number of people  who had died in America to that point within two weeks. Now that is a strain to be concerned about, but of course it’s probably true that the Bat Lady and Dr Baric blew their wad on that bio- engineered upgrade and don’t have anything anywhere close to that up their sleeve left.

    Tens of thousands around the world are dead from the COVID “vaccines”, and hundreds of thousands have been injured. Four times as many young people under 30 have died per capita from the vaccines than from COVID.

    Even the one who invented the mRNA  vaccine, Dr Robert Malone is concerned about these vaccines, because they replicate artificially the very toxic “spike protein” which is causing all sorts of injuries, in the lungs, the brain, the skin, the heart, and on and one  in people which are very hard to diagnose and treat. Conversely Ivermectin, a genuine miracle drug,  in a study by it’s Nobel Prize winning  discoverer,  William Campbell,  released on April 3, 2020  showed Ivermectin generally cured COVID in 48 hours, even in patients near death.  Of course that study had to be buried immediately, because if that truth was allowed to get out, all these COVID “vaccines” could not get their Emergency Use Authorization to be used at all. 

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  10. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    So here is my proposal:  For each unvaccinated person who comes forward to get the jab, offer them a free supply of HCQ and Ivermectin.  If those things are effective against covid-19, they’re probably effective against any bad side effects from the vaccine, too.

    Uh.

    Why would you think that?

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  11. Jules PA Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    If those things are effective against covid-19, they’re probably effective against any bad side effects from the vaccine, too.

    It’s a win-win, no?

    No. Not a win. 

    But surely people can chose the singular HCQ option, as soon as Fauci et al is locked up?

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  12. kedavis Coolidge
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    Jules PA (View Comment):

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    If those things are effective against covid-19, they’re probably effective against any bad side effects from the vaccine, too.

    It’s a win-win, no?

    No. Not a win.

    But surely people can chose the singular HCQ option, as soon as Fauci et al is locked up?

    Just remember to take it with zinc for sure, and perhaps vit D too.  (It seems like many/most/perhaps all of the recent “studies” done omitted those factors, which often seems to have been deliberate.)

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  13. Jules PA Inactive
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    If those things are effective against covid-19, they’re probably effective against any bad side effects from the vaccine, too.

    It’s a win-win, no?

    No. Not a win.

    But surely people can chose the singular HCQ option, as soon as Fauci et al is locked up?

    Just remember to take it with zinc for sure, and perhaps vit D too. (It seems like many/most/perhaps all of the recent “studies” done omitted those factors, which often seems to have been deliberate.)

    Yes, I did know that i almost typed zinc in. I’m on D3 daily. 

    And, yes, the omission of information by the people who should be sharing it, is most egregious. Especially when those people have vested interest in what remains to be pushed after the supression. Most egregious. 

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  14. Jules PA Inactive
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    By the way, I have a video montage of peak vaxx hesitancy pre November 2020 with clips of Biden and Harris. 

    This shot they are pushing now is the new non-Trump shot, right? 😉

    I cant share the video because it is mp4, but I was vaxx hesitant before Biden Harris were against it. 

    If anyone is to blame for hesitancy, beyond the sheer data, it is the malice of those two, and the complicit media. 

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  15. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):
    So here is my proposal: For each unvaccinated person who comes forward to get the jab, offer them a free supply of HCQ and Ivermectin. If those things are effective against covid-19, they’re probably effective against any bad side effects from the vaccine, too.

    Uh.

    Why would you think that?

    Because the vaccine produces a small, non-replicating subset of what the virus produces.  (There is replication that takes place with the vaccine, but the vaccine doesn’t replicate itself.) 

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  16. Doctor Robert Member
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    James Salerno (View Comment):

    I have no reason to trust these parasites. I have eyes. I don’t see bodies piling up in the street. I don’t even know anyone who became seriously ill due to this. The virus is killing old people and fat people. I’m neither. I take care of my own health and that’s all I can do. You take care of yours. If that sounds like I do not care about you, you are right, I do not. I do not care about things that are not within my control. I am much more concerned about losing pesky inconveniences like free speech and basic civil liberties than I am of a virus that has a near 0 percent chance of killing me.

    I will never get a Covid vaccine, ever.

    This is the most correct analysis I  have seen. Bravo. I write as a 65 year old with a BMI of 31–that is, an old fat person–who has survived the disease.

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  17. Stina Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    As I’ve said before, I find it amazing that people who think sars-cov-2 is nothing to be concerned about are scared to death of something that does only a small part of what sars-cov-2 does, and is not capable of self-replicating like sars-cov-2 does.  But there they are.

    So here is my proposal:  For each unvaccinated person who comes forward to get the jab, offer them a free supply of HCQ and Ivermectin.  If those things are effective against covid-19, they’re probably effective against any bad side effects from the vaccine, too.

     

    Not logical, because they aren’t the same.

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  18. Stad Coolidge
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    Roderic: Get vaccinated, my people.

    Not me.

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  19. The Reticulator Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    As I’ve said before, I find it amazing that people who think sars-cov-2 is nothing to be concerned about are scared to death of something that does only a small part of what sars-cov-2 does, and is not capable of self-replicating like sars-cov-2 does. But there they are.

    So here is my proposal: For each unvaccinated person who comes forward to get the jab, offer them a free supply of HCQ and Ivermectin. If those things are effective against covid-19, they’re probably effective against any bad side effects from the vaccine, too.

     

    Not logical, because they aren’t the same.

    Nor is a dog’s leg the same as a dog.

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  20. Brandon Member
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    Where to begin? 

    Roderic:

    “In Texas new infections are up by 300 to 400%.”

    Infections, yes.  Deaths?  not so much.  Seems like the total number of deaths doesn’t match in increase in cases, indicating that treatments are far better than they were and that the virus (like nearly all viruses) is getting weaker as it mutates.  

    “. . .but the fear mongering has a kernel of truth to it.”

    And fear mongering has also shown to be incredibly effective at motivating action, as your initial post shows.  I can always tell when I’m talking to someone who watches a lot of corporate media because their reasoning is always tinged with fear and anger.  

    “. . .if you’re not vaccinated your chance of getting long term problems or dying from COVID is 25 times greater than for those who are vaccinated.”

    Again, this is based on numbers pulled before vaccines were widely available.  Show me the numbers for a middle aged person with no comorbidities based current (highly effective) treatments for Covid.

    “. . .the vaccines are incredibly effective and safe, better than most vaccines we’ve had before.

    The vaccines we’ve had before have a proven track record of decades of use.  However, mRNA vaccines have virtually no long-term track record, and there are some legitimate questions about the safety of mRNA technology.  Do some research on the concerns of scientist regarding the spike protein in the mRNA vaccine and its tendency to drift around the body.  Is there risk in going unvaccinated?  Of course.  But let’s not pretend that the vaccine has no risk.      

    “If that’s not good enough for you then every single one of the medications and vaccines that we’ve ever used are not good enough for you.”

    This is a false equivalency.  You are claiming that if I don’t want the Covid vaccine then I shouldn’t want aspirin either, to which I say: hogwash.  Other drugs (like Ivermectin!) have a long, well-tested track record and known side effects.    

    The gist is simple:

    There is a significant portion of the population–young folks with no comorbidities–for who the vaccine carries significant more risks than Covid does.  You are asserting that they should shoulder the risk of an unproven vaccine so you don’t have to shoulder the risk of Covid.  Yet somehow the “vaccine hesitant” are painted as the selfish ones.  You do realize that they have no legal or ethical responsibility for your health, right?  

     

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    Jules PA (View Comment):

    By the way, I have a video montage of peak vaxx hesitancy pre November 2020 with clips of Biden and Harris.

    This shot they are pushing now is the new non-Trump shot, right? 😉

    I cant share the video because it is mp4, but I was vaxx hesitant before Biden Harris were against it.

    If anyone is to blame for hesitancy, beyond the sheer data, it is the malice of those two, and the complicit media.

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  22. Brandon Member
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    James Salerno (View Comment):

    If this was a truly deadly virus like Ebola, they wouldn’t need to use forced coercion to sell the vaccine. People would be lining up to take it. Our government lied through their teeth about this virus all year, why should I suddenly trust them?

    The vaccine would kill you under Trump. It wasn’t ready yet. Do not take any vaccinations that were developed under the Trump administration.

    That was only in October. Now, it’s “take the vaccine or be excluded from civilization.” Huh?

    I have no reason to trust these parasites. I have eyes. I don’t see bodies piling up in the street. I don’t even know anyone who became seriously ill due to this. The virus is killing old people and fat people. I’m neither. I take care of my own health and that’s all I can do. You take care of yours. If that sounds like I do not care about you, you are right, I do not. I do not care about things that are not within my control. I am much more concerned about losing pesky inconveniences like free speech and basic civil liberties than I am of a virus that has a near 0 percent chance of killing me.

    I will never get a Covid vaccine, ever.

    This is the most solid perspective I’ve seen on the matter.  I’m a 45 year old male with no comorbidities.  My chance of Covid taking a serious bite out of me are slim, people in my age bracket have a 99.98% chance of survival–if I even get infected. 

    The vaccine, on the other hand. . .

    1. Was developed by a pharmaceutical industry that I don’t trust.
    2. Is being pushed by a corporate media I don’t trust.
    3. Has been scoffed at (then embraced!) by a president that I don’t trust. 
    4. Has been shielded from criticism from social media outlets that I don’t trust.  
    5. Is being foisted upon me by people that I don’t even know, much less trust.  

    So, why in the hell would I take it?  

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  23. MarciN Member
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    Brandon (View Comment):

    This is a false equivalency.  You are claiming that if I don’t want the Covid vaccine then I shouldn’t want aspirin either, to which I say: hogwash.  Other drugs (like Ivermectin!) have a long, well-tested track record and known side effects.

    That’s not what he meant. There are literally thousands of pharmaceuticals made by the Pfizer and J&J companies that would cure you or relieve symptoms for myriad human health conditions. They are old reliable companies.

    The gist is simple:

    There is a significant portion of the population–young folks with no comorbidities–for who the vaccine carries significant more risks than Covid does.  You are asserting that they should shoulder the risk of an unproven vaccine so you don’t have to shoulder the risk of Covid.  Yet somehow the “vaccine hesitant” are painted as the selfish ones.  You do realize that they have no legal or ethical responsibility for your health, right?

    Roderic said nothing like this. I understand the point you are making, but I assume you are talking to someone who is not here, not on this thread.

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    MiMac (View Comment):

    Either way, it is good time to stock up on anti-viral treatments for the home.

    There are no effective anti-virals

    The CDC has a list of effective anti-virals here

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  25. MarciN Member
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    Brandon (View Comment):
    So, why in the hell would I take it?

    The only people who should take it should be people who want to take it.

    In some ways, it’s good to have an unvaccinated population. That’s the only way we’ll be able to study the effects of this group of vaccines going forward.

    I think that’s true for all vaccines.

    The public health idea of a fully vaccinated public scares me for all vaccines. If something goes wrong, and it can and will, how will we know what the human unvaccinated physiology is supposed to look like? We have to have a very large control group, and we have to know what the chemistry looks like without the vaccine effects.

    This is an environmentalists’ argument for preserving old species and habitats. It’s true for human beings too. We can’t fix it if we don’t know what it’s supposed to look like.

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    As I’ve said before, I find it amazing that people who think sars-cov-2 is nothing to be concerned about are scared to death of something that does only a small part of what sars-cov-2 does, and is not capable of self-replicating like sars-cov-2 does. But there they are.

    So here is my proposal: For each unvaccinated person who comes forward to get the jab, offer them a free supply of HCQ and Ivermectin. If those things are effective against covid-19, they’re probably effective against any bad side effects from the vaccine, too.

     

    Not logical, because they aren’t the same.

    Nor is a dog’s leg the same as a dog.

    Shooting the dog stops the dog’s replication, but the vaccine is injecting the leg.

    I don’t remember the many and various ways to disrupt coronavirus replication, but there are a wide number of drugs that interfere with various stages of replication.  Most of which I have never heard discussed in the Press or on Ricochet.  I don’t know which if any of these drugs would necessarily stop a purely mRNA replication.  (And to say, as another member has said, that there is no effective anti-viral drug is parsing words to indicate something that isn’t strictly true.  There are FDA-approved anti-virals on the market.)

     

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    I don’t know which if any of these drugs would necessarily stop a purely mRNA replication. 

    They wouldn’t need to.

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    So, why in the hell would I take it?

    The only people who should take it should be people who want to take it.

    In some ways, it’s good to have an unvaccinated population. That’s the only way we’ll be able to study the effects of this group of vaccines going forward.

    I think that’s true for all vaccines.

    The public health idea of a fully vaccinated public scares me for all vaccines. If something goes wrong, and it can and will, how will we know what the human physiology is supposed to look like without the vaccine? We have to have a very large control group, and we have to know what the chemistry looks like without the vaccine effects.

    This is an environmentalists’ argument for preserving old species and habitats. It’s true for human beings too. We can’t fix it if we don’t know what it’s supposed to look like.

    That is an interesting way to put it.  I think that many of the anti-covid-vaccine arguments are foolish or silly, but I want to continue to live in a country where people are free to continue to do foolish and silly things, even at some risk to others.  I also think it’s dangerous for our society to gratuitously force or pressure people who are not in vulnerable demographic groups to get the vaccine, though I wish many more (though not all) of them would get it.

    But, yeah, having a control group is important, too.  

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    I don’t know which if any of these drugs would necessarily stop a purely mRNA replication.

    They wouldn’t need to.

    The vaccine is purely mRNA replication isn’t it?  Killing the virus is something different.

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    I don’t know which if any of these drugs would necessarily stop a purely mRNA replication.

    They wouldn’t need to.

    The vaccine is purely mRNA replication isn’t it? Killing the virus is something different.

    AFAIK the vaccine is the mRNA producing copies of one of the spike proteins for as long as the mRNA lasts, and not the mRNA reproducing itself. In my superficial understanding, the DNA vaccines make me a little more nervous, because they produce the mRNA. But the DNA doesn’t reproduce. If it did, I might be motivated to learn a little more before agreeing to get one of those.  But I got one of the mRNA vaccines, so I’m not worried about it for my own sake. 

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