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“If we had more people like you, we’d have fewer people like you.” – MASH episode, I think it was Hawkeye talking to the also-crazy Col. Flagg.
@blueyeti — You’re saying that, while the guys sound like they’re been suckered by the January 6 kangaroo committee, they actually have their fingers crossed behind their backs? Or that their remarks have to be understood in the light of affidavits secretly deposited with their attorneys?
If they have doubts, they will have to express those doubts out loud, or people will assume they’ve been fooled again.
Can you imagine how Trump would have reacted, if this latest and most preposterous story were true. It would have been an earthquake, impossible to hide. Half the Secret Service would have been fired.
Of course, the Secret Service does with the President tells it to do; for example, refuse to admit Monica Lewinsky to the White House because President Clinton was having sex with another mistress.
I blush to confess that I actually bought the latest issue of Commentary. It was a mistake.
@blueyeti — Exactly what kind of “Republican” Liz Cheney really is may be judged by the fact that her campaign is working overtime to get Democrats to change their registration to Republican, so they can vote for her in the Republican primary.
Among actual Republicans, she’s 30 points behind Trump ally Harriet Hageman.
She’s doing whatever she can to keep her seat. Even if Democrats cross over to vote for her in the Primary, they’ll not support her in the general. They’d strategically vote for her to keep a weak candidate alive for the fall. Look at the democrat gratitude that Adam Kinzinger reaped? For all that he did for the democrats? – only to be redistricted out of his seat by the democrats… They dont want a boot-lick republican, when they can have democrat in that seat…
I think Liz Cheney is also polling 15 points behind Chlamydia…
As long as Donald Trump is still in the game, a Never-Trump RINO like Liz Cheney is very valuable to the Democrats and progressives, in politics and in the media. They don’t want to replace her with a Democrat, even if that were possible in Wyoming this year.
She and the retiring Adam “Crying Man” Kinzinger are why the media are able to call the bogus January 6 committee “bipartisan”. Look at it from CNN’s view: they have a hard time finding any Republican politician to interview who won’t blow up their official narrative.
When Nancy Pelosi put Liz Cheney on the committee, for all her Never-Trump fanaticism I had hopes that she might show a little independence — and decency — by pushing to investigate the murder of Ashli Babbitt and, perhaps, how accused rioters are being kept in prison indefinitely without being charged.
Forget decency; showing she wouldn’t follow the narrative slavishly would have been the smart move politically as well. But she was too bone stupid to do it.
The Secret Service’s job is to protect the President. Preventing him from joining a mob illegally entering a federal building falls under that job description. Preventing a President from getting a sexual favor in the White House from an employee with a White House security clearance is not a security threat. It’s insanely bad judgement on Clinton’s part, but protecting him from that is NOT the Secret Service’s job. And there is zero evidence they even knew about it until after the fact.
I’m disappointed in you, @taras. You’re usually better than this. But Trump isn’t helping you much. Maybe pay attention to that?
I hope you’re sitting down when you read this, but I’m not impressed by the judgment and moral standards of Republican voters in WY. I get that you are, though.
This isn’t a sitcom. And if a Democrat had done what the evidence shows Trump did, you’d be screaming your head off rather than quoting a 40 year old sitcom and smugly thinking it was a dunk. It’s not.
Are you still believing what they CLAIM Trump did – which is usually debunked within days if not hours – or do you have real evidence which the “committee” seems to be lacking?
You’re “not impressed by the judgment and moral standards of Republican voters in WY.” Neither am I. After all, they elected Liz Cheney to the House. But I’m hoping they rectify their error next month.
You seem to be pre-judging the case, however. Also, if Democrats register as Republicans and vote for Liz Cheney, will you be favorably impressed by their “judgment and moral standards”?
Come to think of it, you always seem to be more favorably impressed by Democrats than by Republicans. Which makes perfect sense, if the central axiom of your system is hating Trump.
@blueyeti writes:
The Secret Service’s job is to protect the President. Preventing him from joining a mob illegally entering a federal building falls under that job description. Preventing a President from getting a sexual favor in the White House from an employee with a White House security clearance is not a security threat. It’s insanely bad judgement on Clinton’s part, but protecting him from that is NOT the Secret Service’s job. And there is zero evidence they even knew about it until after the fact.
I’m disappointed in you, @taras. You’re usually better than this. But Trump isn’t helping you much. Maybe pay attention to that?
“The Secret Service’s job is to protect the President. Preventing him from joining a mob illegally entering a federal building falls under that job description.”
Blue Yeti hasn’t thought this through. When a President gets out of his armored limo to press the flesh with the crowds along his route, I’m sure the Secret Service agents get very nervous. But they can’t stop him from doing it. He’s their boss, not the other way around. Their job is to help him do what he wants to do as safely as possible.
In this case, the hearsay allegation is not that the agents were “preventing him from joining a mob illegally entering a federal building”, but that they were preventing him from driving — in an armored vehicle — to the vicinity of where a mob was engaging in illegal activity.
Now, the greatest danger this particular mob posed to Trump was the danger that they would carry him on their shoulders. However, if I were an agent trying to dissuade him from actually going into the crowd, I would point out that there may be Antifa people, who want him dead, mixed into the crowd. (Which turned out to be true.)
To believe the hearsay allegation is true, you have to believe that nothing about it leaked out for 18 months.
Second, you have to believe that Donald Trump is such a forgiving man that the Secret Service agent who laid hands on him was not reassigned to hunting counterfeiters in Guam (or whatever the current version of Secret Service Siberia is).
Depends on who the Democrat is and who the Republican is.
And for the zillionth time, I don’t hate Trump. He did some very good things. But he’s a boor, a big mouth, a sore loser, and a cheater. And he cares only about himself. Yes, many or even most politicians have elements of these traits. Duh.
But Trump is on a whole other level. And it’s finally caught up with him.
Dude — Been around a number of people who have SS protection and known an agent or two as well. The arrangement is that when the politician is in a public situation, the SS has the ultimate authority with regards to the protection of the person they are guarding.
But OK, let’s say you’re right — the President can decide where he goes and the SS are just chauffeurs with guns. So that means President Trump allowed himself to be pushed around by a couple of paper pushers in dark suits. Oops.
One more time: the SS is not going to knowingly put a President in the midst of a large, unpredictable, and any mob, regardless of the alleged strength of his vehicle. They do not do that. Ever.
The SS agents didn’t know that. And frankly, neither do you. But OK — again let’s play out your scenario: if Trump had gone to Capitol even to only witness the events that occurred there, don’t you think he’d be in even more legal hot water as an eyewitness to 1/6? Those agents did him a huge favor and Trump should be kissing their butts.
Antifa? Are you still on that old wive’s tale? Was OJ there too?
Hey, do you still believe all or most of the cell phone and security camera footage taken on 1/6 was doctored or shot on a sound stage? I still occasionally chuckle when I think about those conversations.
Again with the obsession with one moment in instead of looking at the overall event. One, it did leak out. How do you think the committee found out about it? Hint: Because it leaked.
Second, when this even occurred, there were 14 days left in the Trump Presidency. There wasn’t time to ship anyone to Guam for even to fire them. By the way, are you aware how difficult it is to fire a Federal employee? This isn’t The Apprentice, Trump can’t just fire an SS agent because he feels like it. Yeesh.
I’m going to the a few days off now, so I bid you a happy and fun 4th of July.
I am not sure why there is an argument here. Its been proven that the Limo testimony is false. Perjury.
While firing a federal employee maybe difficult – firing a political appointee is simple. Don’t most employees of the white house and executive branch aides serve at the discretion of the president?
Happy 4th… Enjoy your weekend!
I think the gentleman do protest too much.
The “gentleman” isn’t protesting at all. Did I get something wrong in my description of the President?
Secret Service agents (who we are discussing here) are not political appointees, they are federal employees who perform their duties regardless of who occupies the Oval Office.
@blueyeti — This is what I call a target-rich environment. I’m not sure where to begin.
The arrangement is that when the politician is in a public situation, the SS has the ultimate authority with regards to the protection of the person they are guarding.
“When the politician is in a public situation,” he is in an inherently dangerous environment. Ronald Reagan nearly died, walking from a hotel entrance to his waiting limo. So while the Secret Service would prefer a President stay out of public situations altogether, they recognize that he’s going to be, and that their job is to reduce the risk, but never eliminate it. If safety were the only consideration, they would simply tell a President to never go out.
But OK, let’s say you’re right — the President can decide where he goes and the SS are just chauffeurs with guns. So that means President Trump allowed himself to be pushed around by a couple of paper pushers in dark suits. Oops.
This is an example of how your irrational anti-Trumpism makes you grasp at any straw of negativity. To me, this sounds like “system working as designed”. Trump listened to the security experts when they told him that it was too dangerous; just as he had listened to the experts when he canceled pulling all our troops out of Afghanistan. (The same experts gave the same warnings to Joe Biden but, alas, in his delusional mind he saw himself as the greatest Afghanistan expert. Or maybe he just owed it to China.)
@blueyeti — Let us continue, on this lazy Sunday before Independence Day.
The SS agents didn’t know that [“there may be Antifa people, who want him dead, mixed into the crowd”]. And frankly, neither do you. But OK — again let’s play out your scenario: if Trump had gone to Capitol even to only witness the events that occurred there, don’t you think he’d be in even more legal hot water as an eyewitness to 1/6? Those agents did him a huge favor and Trump should be kissing their butts.
Antifa? Are you still on that old wive’s tale? Was OJ there too?
Actually, I wonder if Trump had been there, he would have gotten a bullhorn and yelled at those yokels and cretins to stop doing exactly what Antifa and the Democrats wanted them to do: disrupt the Constitutional process whereby Congressional Republicans were challenging the electoral votes in certain States.
Whether there were any actual Antifa members there, or just people who simply like to riot and don’t care about the politics, I don’t know. Here’s a story that says they were:
At least two known Antifa members were spotted among the throngs of pro-Trump protesters at the Capitol on Wednesday, a law enforcement source told The Post.
The Antifa members disguised themselves with pro-Trump clothing to join in the DC rioting, said the sources, who spotted the infiltrators while monitoring video coverage from the Capitol.
https://nypost.com/2021/01/07/known-antifa-members-posed-as-pro-trump-to-infiltrate-capitol-riot-sources/
While the story hasn’t been taken down, it was filed around the time other law-enforcement sources were telling the New York Times that a Capitol policeman had been beaten to death by Trump supporters. And if Lin Wood is saying there were Antifa there, that probably means there weren’t any within a thousand miles!
@blueyeti — A Parthian shot. Blue Yeti writes above :
Hey, do you still believe all or most of the cell phone and security camera footage taken on 1/6 was doctored or shot on a sound stage? I still occasionally chuckle when I think about those conversations.
I find it fascinating that he remembers our exchange this way; that is, in a way completely at odds with reality, but gratifying to his ego. The point he appeared unable to grasp was that when liberals select a few minutes of video out of hundreds or thousands of hours, it would be absurdly naïve to expect those select few minutes to be a fair representation of the whole.
It took some doing, but I found the exchange in the comments to Ricochet Podcast #551, July 2, 2021:
taras #74: What I have heard conservatives say is that there are thousands and thousands of hours of video of January 6 that the Biden Administration refuses to release. 11:15 PM PDT ⋅ Jul 6, 2021
blueyeti #77: Can you provide a citation for the “thousands of hours of tape that the Biden administration refuses to release”? … If the Biden or the Justice Dept is holding back “thousands of hours” of video, that would be important info. I don’t believe I’ve read that, but it’s absolutely possible that I missed it. 1:07 AM PDT ⋅ Jul 7, 2021
taras #80: The Capitol Police shared thousands of hours of Jan. 6 surveillance camera footage with two key congressional committees investigating the mob attack on the building — and provided “numerous” clips to the Democrats prosecuting Donald Trump’s impeachment, the department’s top lawyer revealed Monday. …
DiBiase said the department also provided more than 14,000 hours of surveillance camera footage — encompassing the hours of noon to 8 p.m. on Jan. 6 — to two key committees investigating the Capitol assault …
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/29/capitol-police-jan6-footage-478439 …
“[T]he press and public have not been able to access these videos on the Court’s electronic dockets,” lawyers representing CNN, ABC News, the Wall Street Journal and others wrote in a May 3 letter. …
https://amgreatness.com/2021/05/10/why-is-the-government-hiding-january-6-video-footage/. 5:10 PM PDT ⋅ Jul 7, 2021
What I found and still find astonishing about this exchange is that a. Blue Yeti had never heard of the thousands of hours of video, a story that was all over conservative media at the time; and b. once told of it, he was reluctant to believe the truth, demanding a citation.
I came to the conclusion that Blue Yeti neither follows nor believes conservative media, while remaining loyal to liberal media such as the New York Times.
You seem to have a pretty solid case.
Deleted. The English was embarrassing
It is about American Bushido. Wait and see.
You guys should get a room. With Donald Trump, John Eastman, Mark Meadows, and the MyPillow dude. I’m sure you all will keep each other entertained for weeks.
Needless to say, I find your arguments and responses…unconvincing. And let’s just leave it at that. You are of course free to believe and post and comment what you want. By all means.
I promised myself and others that I wouldn’t wade into this topic again and up until this thread, I hadn’t in at least six months. My bad. Consider this my concession.
I know, I know — it’s just because I suffer from derangement syndrome because I hate Trump (fact check: I don’t) and I don’t read the MAGA approved publications. I’ve been blue pilled, compromised and hypnotized by Nancy Pelosi and Liz Cheney. Granted.
See you at Trump’s inauguration in January 2025.
@blueyeti — What a waste it is to lose one’s mind. Or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is.
(Attributed to Vice President Dan Quayle.)
I’m ashamed with the spelling and grammar of that message
Dude, my mind is fine.
But projection is a hell of drug.
OK, don’t listen to what I have to say about the January 6 committee.
But listen to Byron York and Mollie Hemingway.
“I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes?
Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions,
senses, affections, passions? Fed with the
same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to
the same diseases, healed by the same means,
warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer
as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not
bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you
poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall
we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will
resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian,
what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong
a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian
example? Why, revenge! The villainy you teach me I
will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the
instruction.”
This belongs to the canon of your culture.
Yet, many of the commentators in Ricochet seem to ignore Shylock’s words.
Disagreeing with someone doesn’t make that person evil. I pity the Conservatives and Liberals that ruin family gatherings by poisoning everything with politics. The blue hair boy acts like he forgot all the good times he had with his uncle, the fishing trips, the beach holidays, etc and the Uncle behaves likewise. I have done the same myself berating my brother-in-law for his socialism. But he’s an honest man, married, faithful, and hardworking with a beautiful daughter and a kind wife. Why did I shout my grievances at him? To what gain?
Churchill said ” a fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject”
Changing one’s mind demands heavy lifting, I don’t ask for that. But changing the subject especially when we are around our brethren, is an act of mental hygiene.
Why is he hardworking if he claims to be a socialist?
One of the biggest problems in some of these areas is people whose supposed beliefs don’t match their own behavior. It is highly destructive to recognize the value of work and education etc for oneself, but not expecting others – especially “minorities” – to have similar standards. “The soft bigotry of low expectations” etc.