History’s Biggest Blunder

Got a new piping hot GLoP for you, and we aren’t kidding about the pipe, as that ancient smoking accoutrement is discussed in great detail in today’s show. We also cover C-Span’s Steve Scully’s fall from grace, the media and big tech’s latest in kind contribution to the Biden-Harris campaign, courtesy of Hunter Biden and the New York Post, that time Rob ran into Dick Clark, board games. and why Antonin Scalia was the coolest Supreme Court Justice in history.

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  1. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

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    Architectus (View Comment):

    Goucher College . . . , Towson, MD.

    I think Groucher is better. And intentional.

    But the funniest thing is saying THE G(r)oucher College!

    The president of the university I attended had added The to its name a couple years before I began school. A few years later we got a new president and one of his first changes was getting rid of The.

    I think I remember seeing The President of Groucher College on TV ….

    HELLO, I MUST BE GOING: A Homily Marking the Beginning of an Interim  Ministry at the Pacific Unitarian Church | James Ford

    • #91
  2. Barbara Duran Thatcher
    Barbara Duran
    @BarbaraDuran

    I miss them, those three witty fellas I used to know and whose company I have enjoyed so much.  Giggling like thieves over the Burisma/Hunter/Joe story and their indifference toward BigTech’s censorship was the breakup event for me.  I made it 30-some minutes into the podcast but that was more than enough.  Bye guys.  

    • #92
  3. Al Sparks Coolidge
    Al Sparks
    @AlSparks

    Brian Watt (View Comment):

    Blue Yeti (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):
    The great intellectual Jonah Goldberg refers to White House press secretary Kayleigh Mcenany as “MAGA Barbie?”

    Disgusting.

    Jonah should be off this podcast.

    Trump supporters who are offended by name calling is very entertaining

    There’s a difference, isn’t there? “Barbie” suggests the McEnany is merely a dumb blonde. Never mind that McEnany is one of the sharpest press secretaries to have held that position and won’t let the biased members of the press badger her and constantly puts them in their place.

    Jonah’s demeaning slur is just indicative of his bias of anyone who supports the president regardless of their qualifications, record and intellect. This is Jonah’s MO, to attempt to belittle people behind their back as he has done with Mollie Hemingway (on another episode of GLoP) after she had the audacity to challenge him on an episode of FoxNews Sunday.

    For the record, many of Trump’s targets deserve the ridicule and names he has applied to them – Crooked Hillary, for example, is a most apt description of this horrid woman.

    I just watched the embedded YouTube, and I give the round to Jonah.  Bugging and leaking are two different things.  There’s a little talking past each other in the exchange.

    • #93
  4. Al Sparks Coolidge
    Al Sparks
    @AlSparks

    I got to this episode a little late.

    On the discussion on pipes, and how they are no longer seen anymore:

    I was reading Pat Buchannan’s Nixon’s White House Wars, and in the book he talks about his appearance before the Watergate Committee.  He said it changed his whole career from that point on, because he performed well.  In part it was because someone leaked to him what questions they were going to ask him, and he spent hours prepping for it.

    So I decided to take a look.  It was a good performance, but that’s not why I’m bringing it up.  There was a lot of smoking going on amongst the senators.

    And there were a lot of pipes.  In fact, if the camera caught a senator smoking a cigarette it panned away quickly.  If a senator was seen to be smoking, it was supposed to be a pipe.

    • #94
  5. Bishop Wash Member
    Bishop Wash
    @BishopWash

    Al Sparks (View Comment):

    I got to this episode a little late.

    On the discussion on pipes, and how they are no longer seen anymore:

    I was reading Pat Buchannan’s Nixon’s White House Wars, and in the book he talks about his appearance before the Watergate Committee. He said it changed his whole career from that point on, because he performed well. In part it was because someone leaked to him what questions they were going to ask him, and he spent hours prepping for it.

    So I decided to take a look. It was a good performance, but that’s not why I’m bringing it up. There was a lot of smoking going on amongst the senators.

    And there were a lot of pipes. In fact, if the camera caught a senator smoking a cigarette it panned away quickly. If a senator was seen to be smoking, it was supposed to be a pipe.

    I broke my leg in 1982 and had to spend a month in the hospital in traction. My doctor smoked a pipe and I could tell when he was on rounds by the pipe smoke wafting down the hall. Imagine smokers inside a hospital now.

    • #95
  6. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    Didn’t vote for Trump last time. Probably won’t vote for him this time. Will not vote for Biden either. I sound like I’m in sync with Jonah, right? That bothers me. Obviously I’m not a Trump guy. I’m good with some of the stuff he’s done but the trade war has been poorly waged and ill advised. I like the judges. I hate the reckless spending.

    That’s a very incomplete thumbnail sketch of where I am policy-wise vs Trump but that’s not why I won’t vote for him. I hate Trump’s boorishness. I don’t like boorishness any better when it comes from someone I agree with… Jonah!

    This GLoP will not age well 18 months from now when Biden has been forced to resign and Kamala Harris is president.

    • #96
  7. EDISONPARKS Member
    EDISONPARKS
    @user_54742

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    Didn’t vote for Trump last time. Probably won’t vote for him this time. Will not vote for Biden either. I sound like I’m in sync with Jonah, right? That bothers me. Obviously I’m not a Trump guy. I’m good with some of the stuff he’s done but the trade war has been poorly waged and ill advised. I like the judges. I hate the reckless spending.

    That’s a very incomplete thumbnail sketch of where I am policy-wise vs Trump but that’s not why I won’t vote for him. I hate Trump’s boorishness. I don’t like boorishness any better when it comes from someone I agree with… Jonah!

    This GLoP will not age well 18 months from now when Biden has been forced to resign and Kamala Harris is president.

    At the beginning of the Trump Presidency I had serious doubts about, and even the need for, US trade realignments, but in retrospect I believe this is one aspect of the Trump first term which has gone unexpectedly well.

    At this point in history if one is unable to determine the ongoing dis-engagement from the Communist Chinese is a wise and sound policy then we have to simply agree to disagree.

    • #97
  8. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    This GLoP will not age well 18 months from now when Biden has been forced to resign and Kamala Harris is president.

    If you want to avoid a Kamala Harris presidency, you know who you have to vote for.

    • #98
  9. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    This GLoP will not age well 18 months from now when Biden has been forced to resign and Kamala Harris is president.

    If you want to avoid a Kamala Harris presidency, you know who you have to vote for.

    I live in CT. A vote for Trump would merely be symbolic and wouldn’t address the differences I have with his policies.

    • #99
  10. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    Didn’t vote for Trump last time. Probably won’t vote for him this time. Will not vote for Biden either. I sound like I’m in sync with Jonah, right? That bothers me. Obviously I’m not a Trump guy. I’m good with some of the stuff he’s done but the trade war has been poorly waged and ill advised. I like the judges. I hate the reckless spending.

    That’s a very incomplete thumbnail sketch of where I am policy-wise vs Trump but that’s not why I won’t vote for him. I hate Trump’s boorishness. I don’t like boorishness any better when it comes from someone I agree with… Jonah!

    This GLoP will not age well 18 months from now when Biden has been forced to resign and Kamala Harris is president.

    At the beginning of the Trump Presidency I had serious doubts about, and even the need for, US trade realignments, but in retrospect I believe this is one aspect of the Trump first term which has gone unexpectedly well.

    At this point in history if one is unable to determine the ongoing dis-engagement from the Communist Chinese is a wise and sound policy then we have to simply agree to disagree.

    Which is why it was not smart to pull out of the TPP with zero review of the treaty. He didn’t have to sign it as is. He should have tried to fix it, used the broader approach in an attempt to counter China. Our trade deficit with China last year was almost identical to what it was in 2016. Where’s the win?

    • #100
  11. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    This GLoP will not age well 18 months from now when Biden has been forced to resign and Kamala Harris is president.

    If you want to avoid a Kamala Harris presidency, you know who you have to vote for.

    I live in CT. A vote for Trump would merely be symbolic and wouldn’t address the differences I have with his policies.

    I recommend you vote for the President anyway, just for the popular vote totals, which we need to win to knock down this constitutionally-destructive idea of removing the electoral college.

    Everyone who thinks “I live in a blue state, my vote doesn’t matter” should vote anyway. Just for the popular vote total. Which is meaningless to anyone who knows the constitution, but meaningful to idiot Dems.

    And while I don’t think it’s possible for the President to flip California, I also think the margin there is going to be a lot closer than anyone expects.

    • #101
  12. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):
    This GLoP will not age well 18 months from now when Biden has been forced to resign and Kamala Harris is president.

    If you want to avoid a Kamala Harris presidency, you know who you have to vote for.

    I live in CT. A vote for Trump would merely be symbolic and wouldn’t address the differences I have with his policies.

    I recommend you vote for the President anyway, just for the popular vote totals, which we need to win to knock down this constitutionally-destructive idea of removing the electoral college.

    Everyone who thinks “I live in a blue state, my vote doesn’t matter” should vote anyway. Just for the popular vote total. Which is meaningless to anyone who knows the constitution, but meaningful to idiot Dems.

    And while I don’t think it’s possible for the President to flip California, I also think the margin there is going to be a lot closer than anyone expects.

    His fiscal policy is worse than Obama’s. Where do I get to express my opposition to the pre-pandemic trillion dollar deficits we had when we still had full employment? He’s better than Biden but not a lot better.

    I defend him mostly because the hate towards him is so over the top, not because I fully support all his policies.

    • #102
  13. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    His fiscal policy is worse than Obama’s. Where do I get to express my opposition to the pre-pandemic trillion dollar deficits we had when we still had full employment? He’s better than Biden but not a lot better.

    A vote for Biden is a vote for the radical left, more jobs going overseas, a kiss to Xi, and the remaking of our nation into something resembling a soviet Eastern Bloc state. The people who lived through such have been warning us for years that that’s where we’re headed if we don’t turn this around. President Trump is the thing standing in their way.

    Biden is not a harmless, affable old coot. He wouldn’t be running the show anyway. Want energy dependence? Want more blackouts? Want the whole country to look like California?

    • #103
  14. Headedwest Coolidge
    Headedwest
    @Headedwest

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    Which is why it was not smart to pull out of the TPP with zero review of the treaty. He didn’t have to sign it as is. He should have tried to fix it, used the broader approach in an attempt to counter China. Our trade deficit with China last year was almost identical to what it was in 2016. Where’s the win?

    This is a pretty common leftist trope. I’ve seen it in comment sections all over the place.

    • #104
  15. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    @spacemanspiff — The larger Trump’s popular vote, the smaller the mandate the Democrats will have to lobotomize our system of government by:  

    ending the Senate filibuster;

    packing the Supreme Court to make it a rubber stamp and reduce the Constitution to tissue paper;

    adding as many Democratic States as they need to establish permanent control of the Senate.

    Obviously the preferable solution is to simply re-elect Trump and the Republican Senate.

    • #105
  16. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    Didn’t vote for Trump last time. Probably won’t vote for him this time. Will not vote for Biden either. I sound like I’m in sync with Jonah, right? That bothers me. Obviously I’m not a Trump guy. I’m good with some of the stuff he’s done but the trade war has been poorly waged and ill advised. I like the judges. I hate the reckless spending.

    That’s a very incomplete thumbnail sketch of where I am policy-wise vs Trump but that’s not why I won’t vote for him. I hate Trump’s boorishness. I don’t like boorishness any better when it comes from someone I agree with… Jonah!

    This GLoP will not age well 18 months from now when Biden has been forced to resign and Kamala Harris is president.

    At the beginning of the Trump Presidency I had serious doubts about, and even the need for, US trade realignments, but in retrospect I believe this is one aspect of the Trump first term which has gone unexpectedly well.

    At this point in history if one is unable to determine the ongoing dis-engagement from the Communist Chinese is a wise and sound policy then we have to simply agree to disagree.

    Which is why it was not smart to pull out of the TPP with zero review of the treaty. He didn’t have to sign it as is. He should have tried to fix it, used the broader approach in an attempt to counter China. Our trade deficit with China last year was almost identical to what it was in 2016. Where’s the win?

    according to census.gov, net trade deficit by year for the last ten years

    2010   273

    2011   295

    2012   315

    2013  318

    2014   344

    2015  367

    2016  348

    2017  375

    2018  419

    2019  345

     

     

    Graph that, and a pretty clear upward trend is moving the other way.

     

    Edit:  corrected – my years were shifted off by one.

    also, 2020 is trending WAY below, but this can’t be considered a normal year for trade.

     

    • #106
  17. Taras Coolidge
    Taras
    @Taras

    P.S.:  I forgot to mention —

    throw open the borders to masses of poor illiterates without sentimental attachment to the country, and create millions of new, ignorant and biddable, Democratic machine voters.

    • #107
  18. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    Taras (View Comment):

    P.S.: I forgot to mention —

    throw open the borders to masses of poor illiterates without sentimental attachment to the country, and create millions of new, ignorant and biddable, Democratic machine voters.

    Yeah, yeah, you’ve got all that.  But so what? Trump is BOORISH!

    Geeze.

    • #108
  19. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    His fiscal policy is worse than Obama’s. Where do I get to express my opposition to the pre-pandemic trillion dollar deficits we had when we still had full employment? He’s better than Biden but not a lot better.

    A vote for Biden is a vote for the radical left, more jobs going overseas, a kiss to Xi, and the remaking of our nation into something resembling a soviet Eastern Bloc state. The people who lived through such have been warning us for years that that’s where we’re headed if we don’t turn this around. President Trump is the thing standing in their way.

    Biden is not a harmless, affable old coot. He wouldn’t be running the show anyway. Want energy dependence? Want more blackouts? Want the whole country to look like California?

    I already said I’m not voting for Biden.

    • #109
  20. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    Didn’t vote for Trump last time. Probably won’t vote for him this time. Will not vote for Biden either. I sound like I’m in sync with Jonah, right? That bothers me. Obviously I’m not a Trump guy. I’m good with some of the stuff he’s done but the trade war has been poorly waged and ill advised. I like the judges. I hate the reckless spending.

    That’s a very incomplete thumbnail sketch of where I am policy-wise vs Trump but that’s not why I won’t vote for him. I hate Trump’s boorishness. I don’t like boorishness any better when it comes from someone I agree with… Jonah!

    This GLoP will not age well 18 months from now when Biden has been forced to resign and Kamala Harris is president.

    At the beginning of the Trump Presidency I had serious doubts about, and even the need for, US trade realignments, but in retrospect I believe this is one aspect of the Trump first term which has gone unexpectedly well.

    At this point in history if one is unable to determine the ongoing dis-engagement from the Communist Chinese is a wise and sound policy then we have to simply agree to disagree.

    Which is why it was not smart to pull out of the TPP with zero review of the treaty. He didn’t have to sign it as is. He should have tried to fix it, used the broader approach in an attempt to counter China. Our trade deficit with China last year was almost identical to what it was in 2016. Where’s the win?

    according to census.gov, net trade deficit by year for the last ten years

    2010 273

    2011 295

    2012 315

    2013 318

    2014 344

    2015 367

    2016 348

    2017 375

    2018 419

    2019 345

    Graph that, and a pretty clear upward trend is moving the other way.

     

    Perhaps a flattening of the curve, not at all clear it’s going the other way.

     

    • #110
  21. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow
    @DrewInWisconsin

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    His fiscal policy is worse than Obama’s. Where do I get to express my opposition to the pre-pandemic trillion dollar deficits we had when we still had full employment? He’s better than Biden but not a lot better.

    A vote for Biden is a vote for the radical left, more jobs going overseas, a kiss to Xi, and the remaking of our nation into something resembling a soviet Eastern Bloc state. The people who lived through such have been warning us for years that that’s where we’re headed if we don’t turn this around. President Trump is the thing standing in their way.

    Biden is not a harmless, affable old coot. He wouldn’t be running the show anyway. Want energy dependence? Want more blackouts? Want the whole country to look like California?

    I already said I’m not voting for Biden.

    I won’t be satisfied until you vote for Trump. : )

    (This is no time to behave like one of those [spits] . . . libertarians! )

    • #111
  22. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    His fiscal policy is worse than Obama’s. Where do I get to express my opposition to the pre-pandemic trillion dollar deficits we had when we still had full employment? He’s better than Biden but not a lot better.

    A vote for Biden is a vote for the radical left, more jobs going overseas, a kiss to Xi, and the remaking of our nation into something resembling a soviet Eastern Bloc state. The people who lived through such have been warning us for years that that’s where we’re headed if we don’t turn this around. President Trump is the thing standing in their way.

    Biden is not a harmless, affable old coot. He wouldn’t be running the show anyway. Want energy dependence? Want more blackouts? Want the whole country to look like California?

    I already said I’m not voting for Biden.

    Not voting for Trump is 99 44/100% as bad.

    • #112
  23. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    His fiscal policy is worse than Obama’s. Where do I get to express my opposition to the pre-pandemic trillion dollar deficits we had when we still had full employment? He’s better than Biden but not a lot better.

    A vote for Biden is a vote for the radical left, more jobs going overseas, a kiss to Xi, and the remaking of our nation into something resembling a soviet Eastern Bloc state. The people who lived through such have been warning us for years that that’s where we’re headed if we don’t turn this around. President Trump is the thing standing in their way.

    Biden is not a harmless, affable old coot. He wouldn’t be running the show anyway. Want energy dependence? Want more blackouts? Want the whole country to look like California?

    I already said I’m not voting for Biden.

    I won’t be satisfied until you vote for Trump. : )

    (This is no time to behave like one of those [spits] . . . libertarians! )

    Or [double-spits] Jonah Goldberg.

    • #113
  24. Architectus Coolidge
    Architectus
    @Architectus

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    Didn’t vote for Trump last time. Probably won’t vote for him this time. Will not vote for Biden either. I sound like I’m in sync with Jonah, right? That bothers me. Obviously I’m not a Trump guy. I’m good with some of the stuff he’s done but the trade war has been poorly waged and ill advised. I like the judges. I hate the reckless spending.

    That’s a very incomplete thumbnail sketch of where I am policy-wise vs Trump but that’s not why I won’t vote for him. I hate Trump’s boorishness. I don’t like boorishness any better when it comes from someone I agree with… Jonah!

    This GLoP will not age well 18 months from now when Biden has been forced to resign and Kamala Harris is president.

    At the beginning of the Trump Presidency I had serious doubts about, and even the need for, US trade realignments, but in retrospect I believe this is one aspect of the Trump first term which has gone unexpectedly well.

    At this point in history if one is unable to determine the ongoing dis-engagement from the Communist Chinese is a wise and sound policy then we have to simply agree to disagree.

    Which is why it was not smart to pull out of the TPP with zero review of the treaty. He didn’t have to sign it as is. He should have tried to fix it, used the broader approach in an attempt to counter China. Our trade deficit with China last year was almost identical to what it was in 2016. Where’s the win?

    But remember, the TPP was dead before the 2016 election, with BOTH candidates pledging to kill it.  It was off the table as an election issue at that point.  While agree it should have been worked on and improved before approved, it has nothing to do with comparing Trump to the alternative. You might have an image in your imagination of the perfect candidate, but they will not be on the ballot this year, or ever.  Vote for the candidate whose supporters are least likely to riot and burn your city down.  Not a tough call for adults…

    • #114
  25. Architectus Coolidge
    Architectus
    @Architectus

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):
    Everyone who thinks “I live in a blue state, my vote doesn’t matter” should vote anyway. Just for the popular vote total. Which is meaningless to anyone who knows the constitution, but meaningful to idiot Dems.

    Yes, this.  Over the years I have come to totally, and vociferously reject that notion that a vote doesn’t count based on the locality.  If you believe your vote doesn’t matter, you are admitting that you do not think that you or your opinion matters.  We all need to “stand and be counted”, regardless of the cost, even if it still results in a loss.  

    • #115
  26. spaceman_spiff Member
    spaceman_spiff
    @spacemanspiff

    Architectus (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    At the beginning of the Trump Presidency I had serious doubts about, and even the need for, US trade realignments, but in retrospect I believe this is one aspect of the Trump first term which has gone unexpectedly well.

    At this point in history if one is unable to determine the ongoing dis-engagement from the Communist Chinese is a wise and sound policy then we have to simply agree to disagree.

    Which is why it was not smart to pull out of the TPP with zero review of the treaty. He didn’t have to sign it as is. He should have tried to fix it, used the broader approach in an attempt to counter China. Our trade deficit with China last year was almost identical to what it was in 2016. Where’s the win?

    But remember, the TPP was dead before the 2016 election, with BOTH candidates pledging to kill it. It was off the table as an election issue at that point. While agree it should have been worked on and improved before approved, it has nothing to do with comparing Trump to the alternative. You might have an image in your imagination of the perfect candidate, but they will not be on the ballot this year, or ever. Vote for the candidate whose supporters are least likely to riot and burn your city down. Not a tough call for adults…

    I didn’t compare him with the alternative. I don’t have any use for Biden. I’ve already said that twice.

    It has to do with making an honest critique of his policy. If the goal is to successfully counter China, removing a tool from the toolbox is foolish. He broke other promises. If he broke this one while showing an honest commitment to changing our relationship with China, it would not have hurt him and it could easily have helped the country immensely.

    Your snide comment about tough calls is a good example of what a lousy job Trumpworld has done at building a coalition. I live in a deep blue state. A vote for Trump here is meaningless. Withholding my vote from him is the only way I have to express my opposition to the bad policy choices he’s made.

    • #116
  27. kedavis Coolidge
    kedavis
    @kedavis

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    Architectus (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    spaceman_spiff (View Comment):

    At the beginning of the Trump Presidency I had serious doubts about, and even the need for, US trade realignments, but in retrospect I believe this is one aspect of the Trump first term which has gone unexpectedly well.

    At this point in history if one is unable to determine the ongoing dis-engagement from the Communist Chinese is a wise and sound policy then we have to simply agree to disagree.

    Which is why it was not smart to pull out of the TPP with zero review of the treaty. He didn’t have to sign it as is. He should have tried to fix it, used the broader approach in an attempt to counter China. Our trade deficit with China last year was almost identical to what it was in 2016. Where’s the win?

    But remember, the TPP was dead before the 2016 election, with BOTH candidates pledging to kill it. It was off the table as an election issue at that point. While agree it should have been worked on and improved before approved, it has nothing to do with comparing Trump to the alternative. You might have an image in your imagination of the perfect candidate, but they will not be on the ballot this year, or ever. Vote for the candidate whose supporters are least likely to riot and burn your city down. Not a tough call for adults…

    I didn’t compare him with the alternative. I don’t have any use for Biden. I’ve already said that twice.

    It has to do with making an honest critique of his policy. If the goal is to successfully counter China, removing a tool from the toolbox is foolish. He broke other promises. If he broke this one while showing an honest commitment to changing our relationship with China, it would not have hurt him and it could easily have helped the country immensely.

    Nothing to do with Biden there.  The point was, in 2016, both Trump and Hillary were against TPP.  So to argue that you couldn’t vote for Trump in 2016 because he was against TPP, is irrelevant.  The other candidate was too.

    Your snide comment about tough calls is a good example of what a lousy job Trumpworld has done at building a coalition. I live in a deep blue state. A vote for Trump here is meaningless. Withholding my vote from him is the only way I have to express my opposition to the bad policy choices he’s made.

    And it helps the left believe that you DO support THEIR policy agenda.  Gee, thanks.

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  28. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    The fact that you used the term “Trumpworld” signals that you’re on the left anyway.

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  29. spaceman_spiff Member
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    Which is why it was not smart to pull out of the TPP with zero review of the treaty. He didn’t have to sign it as is. He should have tried to fix it, used the broader approach in an attempt to counter China. Our trade deficit with China last year was almost identical to what it was in 2016. Where’s the win?

    But remember, the TPP was dead before the 2016 election, with BOTH candidates pledging to kill it. It was off the table as an election issue at that point. While agree it should have been worked on and improved before approved, it has nothing to do with comparing Trump to the alternative. You might have an image in your imagination of the perfect candidate, but they will not be on the ballot this year, or ever. Vote for the candidate whose supporters are least likely to riot and burn your city down. Not a tough call for adults…

    I didn’t compare him with the alternative. I don’t have any use for Biden. I’ve already said that twice.

    It has to do with making an honest critique of his policy. If the goal is to successfully counter China, removing a tool from the toolbox is foolish. He broke other promises. If he broke this one while showing an honest commitment to changing our relationship with China, it would not have hurt him and it could easily have helped the country immensely.

    Nothing to do with Biden there. The point was, in 2016, both Trump and Hillary were against TPP. So to argue that you couldn’t vote for Trump in 2016 because he was against TPP, is irrelevant. The other candidate was too.

    That’s not why I opposed him in 2016.

    Your snide comment about tough calls is a good example of what a lousy job Trumpworld has done at building a coalition. I live in a deep blue state. A vote for Trump here is meaningless. Withholding my vote from him is the only way I have to express my opposition to the bad policy choices he’s made.

    And it helps the left believe that you DO support THEIR policy agenda. Gee, thanks.

    The left will believe whatever the hell they want. I haven’t expressed support for their policies. I was just unfriended by a high school classmate the other day because of the times I’ve defended Trump. It’s not the first time that’s happened.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Which is why it was not smart to pull out of the TPP with zero review of the treaty. He didn’t have to sign it as is. He should have tried to fix it, used the broader approach in an attempt to counter China. Our trade deficit with China last year was almost identical to what it was in 2016. Where’s the win?

    But remember, the TPP was dead before the 2016 election, with BOTH candidates pledging to kill it. It was off the table as an election issue at that point. While agree it should have been worked on and improved before approved, it has nothing to do with comparing Trump to the alternative. You might have an image in your imagination of the perfect candidate, but they will not be on the ballot this year, or ever. Vote for the candidate whose supporters are least likely to riot and burn your city down. Not a tough call for adults…

    I didn’t compare him with the alternative. I don’t have any use for Biden. I’ve already said that twice.

    It has to do with making an honest critique of his policy. If the goal is to successfully counter China, removing a tool from the toolbox is foolish. He broke other promises. If he broke this one while showing an honest commitment to changing our relationship with China, it would not have hurt him and it could easily have helped the country immensely.

    Nothing to do with Biden there. The point was, in 2016, both Trump and Hillary were against TPP. So to argue that you couldn’t vote for Trump in 2016 because he was against TPP, is irrelevant. The other candidate was too.

    That’s not why I opposed him in 2016.

    Your snide comment about tough calls is a good example of what a lousy job Trumpworld has done at building a coalition. I live in a deep blue state. A vote for Trump here is meaningless. Withholding my vote from him is the only way I have to express my opposition to the bad policy choices he’s made.

    And it helps the left believe that you DO support THEIR policy agenda. Gee, thanks.

    The left will believe whatever the hell they want. I haven’t expressed support for their policies. I was just unfriended by a high school classmate the other day because of the times I’ve defended Trump. It’s not the first time that’s happened.

    Facebook/Twitter count for less than nothing, when it comes to elections, and the Electoral College.

    I hope you’re not arguing that being unfriended proves that you’re “supporting the cause” or something?

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