Breaking: Chauvin Found Guilty on All 3 Counts

 

Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin has been found guilty on all three charges in the death of George Floyd.

The jury declared Chauvin guilty of second-degree unintentional murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter. Although the first charge is punishable by up to 40 years in prison, Minnesota sentencing guidelines begin at 12 1/2 years for a defendant with no criminal history.

Downtown Minneapolis is mostly boarded up and being patrolled by a large contingent of National Guard. Many were uneasy about the verdict, fearing riots worse than those experienced after Floyd’s death, not only in Minnesota but across the country.

Chauvin’s lawyers are expected to appeal, especially with concerns about comments from Rep. Maxine Waters, who seemed to be encouraging violence if the verdict was not guilty. President Joe Biden and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey both prejudged the case and made public statements that there was only one right verdict. Local press published extensive information about each juror before the decision was reached.

 

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  1. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    David (View Comment):

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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Jon Gabriel, Ed.: Local press published extensive information about each juror before the decision was reached.

    I can’t believe this is legal. The juror and his or her family would be completely intimidated by this information being made public.

    All the information was released by the courts, broadcast, and put on the internet during jury selection.

    As for being extensive information, here are some sample descriptions:

    “A multi-race woman in her 20s. She is originally from northern Minnesota.”

    “A white man in his 20s.He’s from Minneapolis and works as a chemist.”

    “A Black man in his 30s. He works in banking and coaches youth sports.”

    “A Black man in his 40s. He works as a manager.”

    Believe me, a “white woman in her 50s who lives in Edina and works as a nurse” does not narrow it down much.

    But if they have that much information, couldn’t they release more if pressed to? Seems to me that they released just enough info as a warning.

    It may not seem so specific, but how would you feel if you were the juror described?

    I think I would get the hint immediately.

    Incidentally, they are publicizing and persecuting the doxxed contributors to Kyle Rittenhouse’s defense fund as we speak.  Of course, the Republican party will ignore this, just as they have been ignoring this blatantly and heinously malicious prosecution up to this point.  After all, who are we going to believe, the decent journalists (who would of course never try to coercively influence a jury to an ideologically desired end) and President telling us he’s a mass murderer or our lying eyes, viewing the incidents in their entirety from multiple angles, were watching the surrounding events in real-time?

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  2. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    Podkayne of Israel (View Comment):

    The jury knew all about Maxine Waters’ special visit to “activise” and threaten. And about Biden’s prayers to give the “right verdict”. Anyone with a normal sense of self protection who got on the jury would be foolish not to act to keep himself and his family safe and to hell with the defendant or justice.

    This was an impossible situation. Asking one juror to stand for justice in the face of the Media Industrial Complex is asking for near superhuman levels of courage and principal. Asking for that from twelve jurors is as close to impossible as you can get.

    You know that if a not-guilty verdict had been reached, their names would already be released. They would already be in hiding.

    People are desperately pretending not to realize that, denial is a powerful temptation when the mind is faced with horror.

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  3. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

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    MDHahn (View Comment):

    No. You may want to do that, but I will not. I will argue against the Left but I will not adopt their tactics. Those tactics only make things worse. I’m a conservative because the process matters as much, if not more, than the outcome.

    Chauvin, from what I see, received a fair trial. His attorney was good and the judge was fair. Idiots in the press and on the Left (yes, I know, it’s redundant) threatened violence if the outcome was against their wishes. That is bad, very bad. But that doesn’t mean that the jury was wrong.

    I agree with your basic premise, but O.J. Simpson received a fair trial also. There is such a thing as a jury coming to a wrong verdict, and even purposeful jury nullification, no matter how fair the trail may be. The Federal Government has had a hell of a time getting mafia bosses like Al Capone and John Gotti convicted with overwhelming evidence because jurors were too scared to convict.

    Chauvin received a trial. I’m not sure that he received a fair trial.

    Without making any assertion about the guilt or innocence of the man – and I remain agnostic about that – I think it’s easy to make a case that the jury was under enormous public pressure, including a plausible fear for their own safety, to reach a particular conclusion.

    I look forward to the retrial.

    They will never allow that to happen.

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  4. Architectus Coolidge
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    What circumstances would constitute a fair trial for you? If this wasn’t–which many on here believe to be the case–what does that look like?

    One where activists don’t demand specific outcomes beforehand, backed by threats. One where radical politicians don’t weigh in with their own views beforehand, backed by the power of the state. One where the person being tried isn’t already declared guilty in the press. One where the jury isn’t made to feel threatened if they don’t rule the correct way.

    I still think that a perfectly reasonable headline, shortly following George Floyd’s death, could have been:

    Criminal Suspect Dies of Overdose While in Police Custody

    Minneapolis MN:  While being apprehended after allegedly passing counterfeit notes, the suspect resisted arrest, and ultimately succumbed to the effects of extremely high and fatal concentrations of fentynal, as well as several other illegal drugs, all complicated by chronic health problems. An ambulance was called early, but failed to arrive in a timely manner, and this will no doubt be investigated over the coming months to determine if reforms are required for response procedures involving criminal suspects. The governor and the mayor promised to address those concerns, while also reiterating their commitment to reduce the rising incidence of drug-related crimes, including robbery, car jacking and counterfeiting in order to keep our neighborhoods safe…..

    How might things have been different?

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    Architectus (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    MDHahn (View Comment):
    What circumstances would constitute a fair trial for you? If this wasn’t–which many on here believe to be the case–what does that look like?

    One where activists don’t demand specific outcomes beforehand, backed by threats. One where radical politicians don’t weigh in with their own views beforehand, backed by the power of the state. One where the person being tried isn’t already declared guilty in the press. One where the jury isn’t made to feel threatened if they don’t rule the correct way.

    I still think that a perfectly reasonable headline, shortly following George Floyd’s death, could have been:

    Criminal Suspect Dies of Overdose While in Police Custody

    Minneapolis MN: While being apprehended after allegedly passing counterfeit notes, the suspect resisted arrest, and ultimately succumbed to the effects of extremely high and fatal concentrations of fentynal, as well as several other illegal drugs, all complicated by chronic health problems. An ambulance was called early, but failed to arrive in a timely manner, and this will no doubt be investigated over the coming months to determine if reforms are required for response procedures involving criminal suspects. The governor and the mayor promised to address those concerns, while also reiterating their commitment to reduce the rising incidence of drug-related crimes, including robbery, car jacking and counterfeiting in order to keep our neighborhoods safe…..

    How might things have been different?

    Well that might have worked if the “victim” had been white…

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  6. Eb Snider Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Here’s a question: why didn’t Chauvin take the stand?

    Because it’s real life with his lawyer giving him advice and not a TV show or movie. There’s risk in putting somebody on the stand with a misstep.

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  7. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I agree with this 100%. I hope the folks on the left read it and agree also, since they seem bent on dismantling our institutions.

    The problem with too many conservatives is they think the left will read our reasons opinions, see our good behavior, develop shame for their own behavior become more like us.

    Have you ever seen that happen?

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  8. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Architectus (View Comment):

    I still think that a perfectly reasonable headline, shortly following George Floyd’s death, could have been:

    Criminal Suspect Dies of Overdose While in Police Custody

    Minneapolis MN: While being apprehended after allegedly passing counterfeit notes, the suspect resisted arrest, and ultimately succumbed to the effects of extremely high and fatal concentrations of fentynal, as well as several other illegal drugs, all complicated by chronic health problems. An ambulance was called early, but failed to arrive in a timely manner, and this will no doubt be investigated over the coming months to determine if reforms are required for response procedures involving criminal suspects. The governor and the mayor promised to address those concerns, while also reiterating their commitment to reduce the rising incidence of drug-related crimes, including robbery, car jacking and counterfeiting in order to keep our neighborhoods safe…..

    How might things have been different?

    Well that might have worked if the “victim” had been white…

    If George Floyd had been white, this would have remained a local news story. As it should have been from the beginning. But radical leftist agitators (like Keith Ellison) gonna radically leftist agitate.

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  9. The Reticulator Member
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I agree with this 100%. I hope the folks on the left read it and agree also, since they seem bent on dismantling our institutions.

    The problem with too many conservatives is they think the left will read our reasons opinions, see our good behavior, develop shame for their own behavior become more like us.

    Have you ever seen that happen?

    They only pay attention when we’re having more fun than they are.  Shouldn’t be allowed, of course.

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  10. Henry Racette Member
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):
    I agree with this 100%. I hope the folks on the left read it and agree also, since they seem bent on dismantling our institutions.

    The problem with too many conservatives is they think the left will read our reasons opinions, see our good behavior, develop shame for their own behavior become more like us.

    Have you ever seen that happen?

    Drew,

    I know this is a point of frustration for a lot of people, but I really think it misses the point.

    don’t think “the left” will respond to reason, any more than I think a reasoned argument is likely to change my own opinions all that much. Those of us who are strongly left and strongly right are, I believe, generally wired that way: it’s an emotional predisposition, a way of looking at and thinking about the world. It’s hard to reason people out of deeply ingrained ways of thinking.

    But we don’t have to argue with “the left.” We have to persuade normal people, which I believe is the single largest group in America. These are the people who, if left alone, would be apolitical. They’re generally poorly informed because they really don’t care all that much about politics or ideology. They just want to live their lives, be safe, be comfortable, and have fun.

    Those people often hear only one side, because our media tilt so strongly to the left. It’s rare for them to hear coherent conservative arguments. Most of these people are, I believe, fundamentally conservative, because I believe humans are fundamentally conservative and wary of change. We have that advantage, and also the advantage that both history and common sense are on our side. (That’s why the left would rather silence opposing viewpoints than debate them.)

    I taught my kids not to waste time in one-on-one arguments with leftists. Argue for the audience, because there are people in the audience who can be reached with reasonable ideas presented in a calm, civil, and honest way. (Often simply the contrast between that and the progressive anger and irrationality is sufficient to persuade others.)

    That’s my view, anyway. And it might explain why I’m still more optimistic than a lot of people. I’ve lived in lots of America, known a lot of normal people in the south and midwest and elsewhere. I think there are many who can be reached. We just need to find ways to reach them.

    H.

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  11. Steven Seward Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    I don’t think “the left” will respond to reason, any more than I think a reasoned argument is likely to change my own opinions all that much. Those of us who are strongly left and strongly right are, I believe, generally wired that way: it’s an emotional predisposition, a way of looking at and thinking about the world. It’s hard to reason people out of deeply ingrained ways of thinking.

    But we don’t have to argue with “the left.” We have to persuade normal people, which I believe is the single largest group in America. These are the people who, if left alone, would be apolitical. They’re generally poorly informed because they really don’t care all that much about politics or ideology. They just want to live their lives, be safe, be comfortable, and have fun.

    Those people often hear only one side, because our media tilt so strongly to the left. It’s rare for them to hear coherent conservative arguments. Most of these people are, I believe, fundamentally conservative, because I believe humans are fundamentally conservative and wary of change. We have that advantage, and also the advantage that both history and common sense are on our side. (That’s why the left would rather silence opposing viewpoints than debate them.)

    I taught my kids not to waste time in one-on-one arguments with leftists. Argue for the audience, because there are people in the audience who can be reached with reasonable ideas presented in a calm, civil, and honest way. (Often simply the contrast between that and the progressive anger and irrationality is sufficient to persuade others.)

    That’s my view, anyway. And it might explain why I’m still more optimistic than a lot of people. I’ve lived in lots of America, known a lot of normal people in the south and midwest and elsewhere. I think there are many who can be reached. We just need to find ways to reach them.

     

    I like your assessment. 

    To answer Drew’s question “Have you ever seen that happen?”  There is a small percentage of people on the left or even radical far-left who have come over to the conservative side.  I personally know several.  More recognizable cases would be Norman Podhoretz, Daniel Horowitz, and Walid Shoebat (former terrorist).  It is natural for people to start out life more liberal and become more conservative as they get older.  I think it is because many conservative ideals are the result of becoming mature as a person whereas many of the liberal ideas are the result of immaturity.  For instance, the belief that recreational or psychedelic drugs is a good thing is the result of short-sighted and immature thinking that doesn’t take into account that widespread drug use would eventually cripple the entire society.

    Of course, there is a small hard-core group that will never mature no matter how old they get.

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  12. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    To answer Drew’s question “Have you ever seen that happen?” There is a small percentage of people on the left or even radical far-left who have come over to the conservative side. I personally know several. More recognizable cases would be Norman Podhoretz, Daniel Horowitz, and Walid Shoebat (former terrorist). It is natural for people to start out life more liberal and become more conservative as they get older. I think it is because many conservative ideals are the result of becoming mature as a person whereas many of the liberal ideas are the result of immaturity. For instance, the belief that recreational or psychedelic drugs is a good thing is the result of short-sighted and immature thinking that doesn’t take into account that widespread drug use would eventually cripple the entire society.

    Of course, there is a small hard-core group that will never mature no matter how old they get.

    I understand and agree with what Henry is saying, but I keep waiting for my left-wing friends to finally figure it out. It seems they keep drifting farther and farther left. I don’t know what’ll wake them up, but being presented with facts and reason doesn’t seem to work. Perhaps they need to be personally “mugged by reality,” but I don’t wish them harm.

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  13. Henry Racette Member
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    To answer Drew’s question “Have you ever seen that happen?” There is a small percentage of people on the left or even radical far-left who have come over to the conservative side. I personally know several. More recognizable cases would be Norman Podhoretz, Daniel Horowitz, and Walid Shoebat (former terrorist). It is natural for people to start out life more liberal and become more conservative as they get older. I think it is because many conservative ideals are the result of becoming mature as a person whereas many of the liberal ideas are the result of immaturity. For instance, the belief that recreational or psychedelic drugs is a good thing is the result of short-sighted and immature thinking that doesn’t take into account that widespread drug use would eventually cripple the entire society.

    Of course, there is a small hard-core group that will never mature no matter how old they get.

    I understand and agree with what Henry is saying, but I keep waiting for my left-wing friends to finally figure it out. It seems they keep drifting farther and farther left. I don’t know what’ll wake them up, but being presented with facts and reason doesn’t seem to work. Perhaps they need to be personally “mugged by reality,” but I don’t wish them harm.

    I hear you. I also have friends whom I despair of ever reaching. (Add alcohol and some of them go from frustrating to insufferable. So, pro tip, don’t add alcohol. ;) )

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  14. Steven Seward Member
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    To answer Drew’s question “Have you ever seen that happen?” There is a small percentage of people on the left or even radical far-left who have come over to the conservative side. I personally know several. More recognizable cases would be Norman Podhoretz, Daniel Horowitz, and Walid Shoebat (former terrorist). It is natural for people to start out life more liberal and become more conservative as they get older. I think it is because many conservative ideals are the result of becoming mature as a person whereas many of the liberal ideas are the result of immaturity. For instance, the belief that recreational or psychedelic drugs is a good thing is the result of short-sighted and immature thinking that doesn’t take into account that widespread drug use would eventually cripple the entire society.

    Of course, there is a small hard-core group that will never mature no matter how old they get.

    I understand and agree with what Henry is saying, but I keep waiting for my left-wing friends to finally figure it out. It seems they keep drifting farther and farther left. I don’t know what’ll wake them up, but being presented with facts and reason doesn’t seem to work. Perhaps they need to be personally “mugged by reality,” but I don’t wish them harm.

    Some may never change.  There is a point where I just give up on people.  Often their own circumstances is what changes them, not the opinions of others.  I think the hardest people to reach are the rich White Liberals in gated communities who are not affected by the daily grind that us peons go through.

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  15. Caryn Thatcher
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    To answer Drew’s question “Have you ever seen that happen?” There is a small percentage of people on the left or even radical far-left who have come over to the conservative side. I personally know several. More recognizable cases would be Norman Podhoretz, Daniel Horowitz, and Walid Shoebat (former terrorist). It is natural for people to start out life more liberal and become more conservative as they get older. I think it is because many conservative ideals are the result of becoming mature as a person whereas many of the liberal ideas are the result of immaturity. For instance, the belief that recreational or psychedelic drugs is a good thing is the result of short-sighted and immature thinking that doesn’t take into account that widespread drug use would eventually cripple the entire society.

    Of course, there is a small hard-core group that will never mature no matter how old they get.

    I understand and agree with what Henry is saying, but I keep waiting for my left-wing friends to finally figure it out. It seems they keep drifting farther and farther left. I don’t know what’ll wake them up, but being presented with facts and reason doesn’t seem to work. Perhaps they need to be personally “mugged by reality,” but I don’t wish them harm.

    Some may never change. There is a point where I just give up on people. Often their own circumstances is what changes them, not the opinions of others. I think the hardest people to reach are the rich White Liberals in gated communities who are not affected by the daily grind that us peons go through.

    Speaking as your wife…that’s David Horowitz, not Daniel.  And…have you seen our house from the outside?  Many of our (lefty and far-lefty) neighbors wouldn’t see us as “peons” going through a daily grind, so I had to laugh at that.  The joys of a demographically mixed gentrified neighborhood (section 8 housing cheek to jowl with restored grand Victorian houses) with the wrong kind of tax incentives.  I’ll add to your gated community liberals our very neighbors.  They look out and see a great deal of dysfunction around them  and somehow think it’s their (our) fault.  I was not remotely amused to hear one of those non-self-aware neighbors talk about selling his condo to move to “Florida where the taxes are so much lower.”  He was very likely one of those who voted for the exorbitant school levy (and its renewal and increase) that helped caused our house taxes to triple in the 12 years we’ve been in it.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    Caryn (View Comment):
    I was not remotely amused to hear one of those non-self-aware neighbors talk about selling his condo to move to “Florida where the taxes are so much lower.”  He was very likely one of those who voted for the exorbitant school levy (and its renewal and increase) that helped caused our house taxes to triple in the 12 years we’ve been in it.

    Of course it’s only “the rich” who are supposed to pay higher taxes.

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  17. Miffed White Male Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    JamesSalerno (View Comment):
    But if they have that much information, couldn’t they release more if pressed to? Seems to me that they released just enough info as a warning.

    We don’t warn jurors that we want them to vote a certain way.

    BLM/Antifa do that all the time, by burning things, and beating things, sometimes killing things… You think they don’t get the message?

    To be clear, by “we” I meant the newspaper. We don’t send messages to jurors to intimidate them into voting a certain way.

    Now who’s being naive?

     

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  18. Miffed White Male Member
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    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):
     I understand the frustration of desiring wrong headed people to be exposed to the consequences of their choices, but the “black community” is not monolithic on this subject. Most of the MSM and BLM would prefer you as a consumer of news — though not necessarily a member of the black community —  believe this fiction. But in surveys, 70% of people in the “black community” are opposed to defunding the police

    Then the “black community” needs to make some noise.

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  19. The Reticulator Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):
    I understand the frustration of desiring wrong headed people to be exposed to the consequences of their choices, but the “black community” is not monolithic on this subject. Most of the MSM and BLM would prefer you as a consumer of news — though not necessarily a member of the black community — believe this fiction. But in surveys, 70% of people in the “black community” are opposed to defunding the police

    Then the “black community” needs to make some noise.

    I don’t know about “the black community” but how do you know none of the black communities is making noise? 

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  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

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    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):
    I understand the frustration of desiring wrong headed people to be exposed to the consequences of their choices, but the “black community” is not monolithic on this subject. Most of the MSM and BLM would prefer you as a consumer of news — though not necessarily a member of the black community — believe this fiction. But in surveys, 70% of people in the “black community” are opposed to defunding the police

    Then the “black community” needs to make some noise.

    I don’t know about “the black community” but how do you know none of the black communities is making noise?

    Don’t you think they would be heard over the agitators if they were?  Or at least if a significant number were?

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  21. The Reticulator Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):
    I understand the frustration of desiring wrong headed people to be exposed to the consequences of their choices, but the “black community” is not monolithic on this subject. Most of the MSM and BLM would prefer you as a consumer of news — though not necessarily a member of the black community — believe this fiction. But in surveys, 70% of people in the “black community” are opposed to defunding the police

    Then the “black community” needs to make some noise.

    I don’t know about “the black community” but how do you know none of the black communities is making noise?

    Don’t you think they would be heard over the agitators if they were? Or at least if a significant number were?

    Not if we rely on the news media to hear them. 

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  22. Henry Racette Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):
    I understand the frustration of desiring wrong headed people to be exposed to the consequences of their choices, but the “black community” is not monolithic on this subject. Most of the MSM and BLM would prefer you as a consumer of news — though not necessarily a member of the black community — believe this fiction. But in surveys, 70% of people in the “black community” are opposed to defunding the police

    Then the “black community” needs to make some noise.

    I don’t know about “the black community” but how do you know none of the black communities is making noise?

    Don’t you think they would be heard over the agitators if they were? Or at least if a significant number were?

    Unfortunately, those most impacted by crime in our minority communities are probably least able to express their opposition to the stupidity of “defund the police” and similar nonsense. They labor under the same challenges of press bias and limited platform availability as more affluent conservatives. A press that can barely be bothered to report on the carnage in Chicago can hardly be expected to poll single urban mothers to find out whether or not they’d like the drug dealers cleared from their building entrances and street corners.

    The Critical Race Theory garbage is coming from the elite, and it probably has to be countered and eliminated by those who have the means to confront and deal with those elite.

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  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

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    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):
    I understand the frustration of desiring wrong headed people to be exposed to the consequences of their choices, but the “black community” is not monolithic on this subject. Most of the MSM and BLM would prefer you as a consumer of news — though not necessarily a member of the black community — believe this fiction. But in surveys, 70% of people in the “black community” are opposed to defunding the police

    Then the “black community” needs to make some noise.

    I don’t know about “the black community” but how do you know none of the black communities is making noise?

    Don’t you think they would be heard over the agitators if they were? Or at least if a significant number were?

    Unfortunately, those most impacted by crime in our minority communities are probably least able to express their opposition to the stupidity of “defund the police” and similar nonsense. They labor under the same challenges of press bias and limited platform availability as more affluent conservatives. A press that can barely be bothered to report on the carnage in Chicago can hardly be expected to poll single urban mothers to find out whether or not they’d like the drug dealers cleared from their building entrances and street corners.

    The Critical Race Theory garbage is coming from the elite, and it probably has to be countered and eliminated by those who have the means to confront and deal with those elite.

    I think there’s probably more to it, including that – as with people who think Congress stinks but still re-elect THEIR representative/senators over and over – those communities may want those OTHER criminals locked up, but THEIR relatives and friends – perhaps including their own children – who deal drugs etc, are just “misunderstood” or something.  And the cops better leave THEM alone.

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  24. Steven Seward Member
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    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):
    I understand the frustration of desiring wrong headed people to be exposed to the consequences of their choices, but the “black community” is not monolithic on this subject. Most of the MSM and BLM would prefer you as a consumer of news — though not necessarily a member of the black community — believe this fiction. But in surveys, 70% of people in the “black community” are opposed to defunding the police

    Then the “black community” needs to make some noise.

    I don’t know about “the black community” but how do you know none of the black communities is making noise?

    Don’t you think they would be heard over the agitators if they were? Or at least if a significant number were?

    Unfortunately, those most impacted by crime in our minority communities are probably least able to express their opposition to the stupidity of “defund the police” and similar nonsense. They labor under the same challenges of press bias and limited platform availability as more affluent conservatives. A press that can barely be bothered to report on the carnage in Chicago can hardly be expected to poll single urban mothers to find out whether or not they’d like the drug dealers cleared from their building entrances and street corners.

    The Critical Race Theory garbage is coming from the elite, and it probably has to be countered and eliminated by those who have the means to confront and deal with those elite.

    I’ve heard about polls that show that the number of Black people who want to defund the police is no different than the number of White people who want to defund the police.   Both are in single digits.  It is such a ridiculous idea that hardly anybody supports, yet if you listen to news media you’d think this was popular.  We get a totally distorted view from news and social media.  You have to ignore most of that noise.  My Black neighbors don’t like any of the crime and mayhem going on, and they support the police, despite being Democrats.  In fact one of their landlords is a White policeman and they get along just great.

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    Steven Seward (View Comment):

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    I understand the frustration of desiring wrong headed people to be exposed to the consequences of their choices, but the “black community” is not monolithic on this subject. Most of the MSM and BLM would prefer you as a consumer of news — though not necessarily a member of the black community — believe this fiction. But in surveys, 70% of people in the “black community” are opposed to defunding the police

    Then the “black community” needs to make some noise.

    I don’t know about “the black community” but how do you know none of the black communities is making noise?

    Don’t you think they would be heard over the agitators if they were? Or at least if a significant number were?

    Unfortunately, those most impacted by crime in our minority communities are probably least able to express their opposition to the stupidity of “defund the police” and similar nonsense. They labor under the same challenges of press bias and limited platform availability as more affluent conservatives. A press that can barely be bothered to report on the carnage in Chicago can hardly be expected to poll single urban mothers to find out whether or not they’d like the drug dealers cleared from their building entrances and street corners.

    The Critical Race Theory garbage is coming from the elite, and it probably has to be countered and eliminated by those who have the means to confront and deal with those elite.

    I’ve heard about polls that show that the number of Black people who want to defund the police is no different than the number of White people who want to defund the police. Both are in single digits. It is such a ridiculous idea that hardly anybody supports, yet if you listen to news media you’d think this was popular. We get a totally distorted view from news and social media. You have to ignore most of that noise. My Black neighbors don’t like any of the crime and mayhem going on, and they support the police, despite being Democrats. In fact one of their landlords is a White policeman and they get along just great.

    I think if you looked closer, perhaps including checking on actual outcomes not just surveys, you may find that black people support police in general/in theory, especially as in my previous comment, but if THEIR OWN children/friends/relatives are the ones causing problems, they become… less supportive?  Then remember that, with few exceptions, EVERY criminal is SOMEONE’S friend, relative, child, sibling…

    Not that white people are thrilled when a friend/relative/child/sibling have trouble with police, but they’re less likely to blame it on “racism,” whether “systemic” or otherwise.

     

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  26. kedavis Coolidge
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    And we may soon find that the girl who was being attacked in Columbus, and her family, will be against the police that saved her life.

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  27. Miffed White Male Member
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    I understand the frustration of desiring wrong headed people to be exposed to the consequences of their choices, but the “black community” is not monolithic on this subject. Most of the MSM and BLM would prefer you as a consumer of news — though not necessarily a member of the black community — believe this fiction. But in surveys, 70% of people in the “black community” are opposed to defunding the police

    Then the “black community” needs to make some noise.

    I don’t know about “the black community” but how do you know none of the black communities is making noise?

    I suspect that if a few incumbent politicians (city/county/state level where these decisions actually happen) who support this kind of stuff started losing elections that might do the trick. Haven’t really heard or seen any of that happening yet. 

    meanwhile, See James Lileks most recent post about the Minneapolis parks department. Think any of the people who voted in favor will lose their jobs?  I don’t. 

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  28. DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    I understand the frustration of desiring wrong headed people to be exposed to the consequences of their choices, but the “black community” is not monolithic on this subject. Most of the MSM and BLM would prefer you as a consumer of news — though not necessarily a member of the black community — believe this fiction. But in surveys, 70% of people in the “black community” are opposed to defunding the police

    Then the “black community” needs to make some noise.

    I don’t know about “the black community” but how do you know none of the black communities is making noise?

    Don’t you think they would be heard over the agitators if they were? Or at least if a significant number were?

    The Democrat propaganda sheets would have to report on them.

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  29. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInEastHillAutonomousZone (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Ray Kujawa (View Comment):
    I understand the frustration of desiring wrong headed people to be exposed to the consequences of their choices, but the “black community” is not monolithic on this subject. Most of the MSM and BLM would prefer you as a consumer of news — though not necessarily a member of the black community — believe this fiction. But in surveys, 70% of people in the “black community” are opposed to defunding the police

    Then the “black community” needs to make some noise.

    I don’t know about “the black community” but how do you know none of the black communities is making noise?

    Don’t you think they would be heard over the agitators if they were? Or at least if a significant number were?

    The Democrat propaganda sheets would have to report on them.

    Seems like they would be reported as “enemies of the people” like they do with Republicans/Conservatives.  They would be getting doxxed, etc, if there were any significant number of them.

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  30. ctlaw Coolidge
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    Judge finds against Chauvin on aggravating factors except Floyd being particularly vulnerable:

    https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/Order05112021.pdf

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