Lying to Ourselves

 

We have a problem with our federal government, but it’s not exactly the one we’re used to thinking about. Frankly, we don’t want to think about it all – better to deny the reality entirely.  Easier to lie and lie and lie, and blame our problems on everyone else.  Easier to blame Liberals, or Wokesters, or (the current favorite among the increasingly reality-averse folks who still cannot face that Trump has immolated himself once and for all time) traitors and sabotage.  It is, of course, all lies.  Mind you, lies can be useful – especially when trying to avoiding hurt feelings (our own not the least), but they’re still lies.  At one time rebellions against ruling monarchs favored the lie “We’re not really rebelling against the King, he’s just the victim of bad advisors.” 

The lie we all tell ourselves today is that we are the helpless victims of “The DC Establishment” (or whatever other term you want to use).  Synonyms for this include “Wall Street,” “Big Tech,” and a host of others.  They are the “bad advisors” we blame for manipulating Congress, for stealing elections, or for disloyalty to Trump (fact check here: the only consistent disloyalty in the Trump administration came from Trump – watching his cabinet members go from vaunted heroes to filthy traitors and sellouts in the commentariat was much akin to studying Soviet photography for disappearing faces alongside Stalin).  We are very good at lying to ourselves about why Trump lost this or that political battle, about why Congress is a dysfunctional mess, and about why the “authoritarian ratchet” is inexorable.  The truth we cannot confront about it is all is simple, and we all bear the shame of it.  We do not really want any of our congress critters, our president, or our courts to lead us out of our morass, we want them to follow us into the pit of our own making.  And follow they blithely do.

Why should anyone really attempt to lead?  Why should anyone take any campaign rhetoric seriously?  I’m not even speaking for the Left here, I’m just talking about the entire right half of the political spectrum.  Think of all that we demand:

Repeal Obamacare! But get me my pills cheap! And you’d better not slash Medicare because Granny will be out on the street! Cut my taxes! But don’t touch Social Security, that’s my retirement! Slash regulations! But raise the minimum wage! And punish those rich Wall Street fat cats! No more bailouts! But bail out small businesses! No more stimulus checks… after the next one (and send a chaser too)!

Any time anyone in Congress actually tries to show real leadership he gets savaged. Paul Ryan was sent to Congress and proclaimed a hero as a fiscal wonk. Paul Ryan is now disgraced as a heartless fiscal wonk. Well? Which is it? He was the same Paul Ryan that entered as left – the truth is he violated the will of the voters, and the will of the voters is that the gravy train run to them, but not to other people they don’t like.  We hailed the Tea Party a decade ago for demanding fiscal accountability, and then it all wilted when we realized everyone would take a hit, not just the “bad guys”.  We wailed about Obama’s fiscal profligacy, then ignored Trump’s (even pre-COVID) because that spending was just better because it went to the right people.

We blame the Republican congress of 2017-2018 for not having a Repeal and Replace plan from Day 1 (nevermind that Trump promised he had his own too – and we never saw any of it).  Why would any sane and safe Republican bother to come up with a health care reform plan? Any real plan would gore everyone’s ox, but not equally, and that would be seized on as evidence of favoritism towards whoever was hurt less than someone else – and we would be as happy to denounce it as the Left, just for different reasons. Why bother with specifics? Why bother to stick your neck out?  Easier to campaign on an issue and then blame the other side when nothing ever happens later.  Keeps the issue alive for a few election cycles, until the voters fixate on something else for a few cycles.

It’s no wonder Congress is stuffed with hacks, charlatans, grifters, sell-outs, and bench warmers. It’s no wonder both parties spend like drunken sailors. It’s no wonder the debt keeps growing and growing – hardly anyone there dares to change the game. When they try, they’re denounced as traitors, or Elitists, or uncompassionate eggheads, or accused of being in some group’s pocket (which, while true, is a problem only because it’s the “wrong” group), and so turfed out.  Besides, they know what the voters really want better than the voters themselves: having someone else always around to blame.

It’s no wonder that both sides refuse to actually address electoral reforms too – that’s the gift that keeps giving.  That way you never have to take any blame on your side for nominating cultists and loonies.  That way you never have to take any blame for running a terrible campaign.  Even if you lose, you win!  After all, you were cheated!  And martyrs are always more beloved than Darwin-award winners, giving you a leg up on fundraising for the next round (that’s where the real money is made – paying your friends and relatives for “consulting fees” while you expense first-class flights).  Both sides play the game, and the money rolls in.

The truth of the matter is, Americans of all stripes really do not want reform. They do not want leaders. They do not want any hard choices. They want the status quo, but also want the moral high ground of blaming it on everybody else.  And the government they claim to hate so much?  It’s just following along.  If we really wanted reform, we’d stop blaming the “swamp”, or whatever other excuses we have at hand.  Instead, we would admit to ourselves that, like losing weight we are the ones who have to change first.

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  1. SkipSul Inactive
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    First they came for the Communists

    Here’s a serious question:

    Can you name any “ideas” that should have no place on a platform like Parler?

    No, I actually support free speech beyond the theoretical, but its beside the point when such policies are not applied evenly.

    You do realize, though, that there has never existed in the US an absolute “free speech”?  There have always been bounds, both explicit and implicit.

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  2. RufusRJones Member
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    You can’t have the Public Square run by four plutocratic / statist / Gated Community Socialist / fascist tech companies. This is not going to work. The constitution was not written for this.

    It also wasn’t written for having the Hearst family control, directly or indirectly, a substantial number of newspapers around the nation in the late 1800s.

    It also wasn’t written for having a national highway system.

    Or the internet.

    Or cars.

    Or machine guns.

    Or fiat currency.

    Or nuclear weapons (Dan Carlin did a fantastic series a while back on how the advent of nuclear weapons shifted the balance of political power to the president, particularly over command of the military).

    Or a host of other things besides.

    Right and Left both point endlessly to things “the Constitution wasn’t written for” as though that’s an argument for getting rid of those things, or the Constitution itself. But that’s not an argument, it’s an assertion that goes question begging.

    I already explained this to somebody, I can’t remember if it’s you.

    In the era of the “network effect” you can’t just combine capital with good management and come up with another pipe in the public square. That’s the difference. 

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  3. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    First they came for the Communists

    Here’s a serious question:

    Can you name any “ideas” that should have no place on a platform like Parler?

    No, I actually support free speech beyond the theoretical, but its beside the point when such policies are not applied evenly.

    You do realize, though, that there has never existed in the US an absolute “free speech”? There have always been bounds, both explicit and implicit.

    Yes, I’m aware, but those bounds do not extend to ideas, but the words, tone, and circumstances in which they are expressed.  And again, its all beside the point when there is a clear pattern of deliberately uneven application in collusion with other corporations to exclude competitors (the purpose of such exclusion need not be based on purely economic motives).

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  4. HeavyWater Inactive
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    There is a huge difference between the government, state or federal, locking someone up for saying, “The Nazis never existed,” and Twitter closing the account of someone who tweets, “The Nazis never existed.”

    The 1st Amendment is supposed to prevent the government from clamping down, not from corporations clamping down.

    Be we all knew that.

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  5. The Reticulator Member
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    So what? Is this new?

    In terms of threat level? Yes, the last 5-6 years has been unprecedented in the extent that conservatives face harassment, persecution, and physical threats. You minimized concerns about Big Tech on the same day they colluded to nuke Parler.

     

     

    Parler: the site the confuses “free speech” with “anything goes – anything at all.”

    You will not find me defending Parler, a site that is happy to let actual white supremacists encourage actual criminal behavior.

    Here’s an idea; block or ignore them, just as you would block or ignore a BLM account on twitter (which became what it is because it began as a free speech platform). In the meantime, maybe take time to worry about fascist collusion between politically connected tech monopolies/trusts to drive everyone Right of Kamala Harris from the public sphere.

    You’re missing the point of why Parler has been de-hosted: it’s not about whether you as an individual have to deal with these creeps or not – like any platform you can associate with whom you wish – it’s that they stand accused of knowing hosting and allowing these groups to communicate with each other, and to recruit* others, and Amazon states very clearly its server hosting is NOT to be used for this purpose. Apple and Google clearly state in their TOS that they will not allow apps into their app store to services that do nothing to police this crap.

    *And the recruitment problem is real – the use of these platforms by Muslim militants to recruit and coordinate activities are recurrent problems for Twitter and Facebook and have been for years, and are perennial problems for their moderation system.

    Doesn’t matter whether YOU have to see and deal with this, it’s about how Parler stands accused of not policing itself.

    I think they speak with forked tongue if they haven’t forwarded their 98 examples of incitement to law enforcement. 

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  6. RufusRJones Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    There is a huge difference between the government, state or federal, locking someone up for saying, “The Nazis never existed,” and Twitter closing the account of someone who tweets, “The Nazis never existed.”

    The 1st Amendment is supposed to prevent the government from clamping down, not from corporations clamping down.

    Be we all knew that.

    Look at my comments #177 and #182. 

     

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  8. HeavyWater Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

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    There is a huge difference between the government, state or federal, locking someone up for saying, “The Nazis never existed,” and Twitter closing the account of someone who tweets, “The Nazis never existed.”

    The 1st Amendment is supposed to prevent the government from clamping down, not from corporations clamping down.

    Be we all knew that.

    Look at my comments #177 and #182.

    Conservatives are just as capable of creating technology as Leftists.  If conservatives don’t like the way Amazon, Apple, Twitter or Facebook are run, there is nothing stopping conservatives from developing technology that allows for the free flow of conservative ideas.  

    Conservatives are, on average, more intelligent that Leftists.  Thus, any technology that a Leftist creates, a conservative can create something even better.

     

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    A risible syllogism.

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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    There is a huge difference between the government, state or federal, locking someone up for saying, “The Nazis never existed,” and Twitter closing the account of someone who tweets, “The Nazis never existed.”

    There is also a huge difference between that and several different companies colluding to shut down a specific competitor on that ostensible basis, all the while overlooking millions of tweets to the effect that “Stalin never existed, and lets organize to burn down a city to prove it.”

     

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    A risible syllogism.

    Yes.  Conservatives are not welfare recipients.  Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

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    There is a huge difference between the government, state or federal, locking someone up for saying, “The Nazis never existed,” and Twitter closing the account of someone who tweets, “The Nazis never existed.”

    The 1st Amendment is supposed to prevent the government from clamping down, not from corporations clamping down.

    Be we all knew that.

    Look at my comments #177 and #182.

    Conservatives are just as capable of creating technology as Leftists. If conservatives don’t like the way Amazon, Apple, Twitter or Facebook are run, there is nothing stopping conservatives from developing technology that allows for the free flow of conservative ideas.

    Conservatives are, on average, more intelligent that Leftists. Thus, any technology that a Leftist creates, a conservative can create something even better.

     

    Not in the era of the “network effect’.

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  13. RufusRJones Member
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    A risible syllogism.

    Yes. Conservatives are not welfare recipients. Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

    The issue is, influencing the public square, not just letting conservatives talk to each other. 

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    A risible syllogism.

    Yes. Conservatives are not welfare recipients. Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

    The issue is, influencing the public square, not just letting conservatives talk to each other.

    Then do that.  Create the technology.  Make that technology available to people, including non-conservatives.   Use that technology to communicate conservative ideas and persuade others of the superiority of conservative ideas over Leftist ideas.  

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    A risible syllogism.

    Yes. Conservatives are not welfare recipients. Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

    The issue is, influencing the public square, not just letting conservatives talk to each other.

    Conservatives are very good at influencing the public square at state levels, with a few exceptions where the state parties are in disarray.  They are good at the politics stuff.

    But conservatives have utterly surrendered the cultural battlefield, which is where influence takes the longest to build and is the most influential.

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  16. RufusRJones Member
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    A risible syllogism.

    Yes. Conservatives are not welfare recipients. Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

    The issue is, influencing the public square, not just letting conservatives talk to each other.

    Then do that. Create the technology. Make that technology available to people, including non-conservatives. Use that technology to communicate conservative ideas and persuade others of the superiority of conservative ideas over Leftist ideas.

    You aren’t understanding what I wrote the other comments.

    What this comes down to is, Congress has to decide what we are going to do about the public square and the constitution in the era of the network effect. 

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  17. RufusRJones Member
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    A risible syllogism.

    Yes. Conservatives are not welfare recipients. Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

    The issue is, influencing the public square, not just letting conservatives talk to each other.

    Conservatives are very good at influencing the public square at state levels, with a few exceptions where the state parties are in disarray. They are good at the politics stuff.

    But conservatives have utterly surrendered the cultural battlefield, which is where influence takes the longest to build and is the most influential.

    That’s very nice, but it doesn’t have anything to do with what my point is. 

    Congress has to decide about what they are going to do with the network effect and how it affects the functioning of the Constitution. It needs to be very explicit.

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  18. HeavyWater Inactive
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    A risible syllogism.

    Yes. Conservatives are not welfare recipients. Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

    The issue is, influencing the public square, not just letting conservatives talk to each other.

    Then do that. Create the technology. Make that technology available to people, including non-conservatives. Use that technology to communicate conservative ideas and persuade others of the superiority of conservative ideas over Leftist ideas.

    You aren’t understanding what I wrote the other comments.

    What this comes down to is, Congress has to decide what we are going to do about the public square and the constitution in the era of the network effect.

    I am for less regulation and less litigation against non-governmental corporations and businesses.  

    If you don’t like Twitter, create a competitor.  If you don’t like Amazon, create a competitor.  

    Don’t whine.  Innovate.  

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    SkipSul (View Comment):
    Nonsense. Considering that nearly everyone who voiced even mild criticism of Trump was branded a traitor, and that any of his advisors who tried to help him was turfed out and then branded a traitor, the treason was 1-sided. Trump betrayed people close to him time and time and time again. The last 2 months were the final betrayal.

    Trump was nasty and mean.  He also got some solidly conservative policies enacted, conservative justices and judges confirmed, and so on.  If people are not politically conservative for the purpose of advancing the conservative agenda and conservative policies then what use are they?  People who hindered Trump’s efforts in that regard are not friends of conservatism.

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  20. RufusRJones Member
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    A risible syllogism.

    Yes. Conservatives are not welfare recipients. Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

    The issue is, influencing the public square, not just letting conservatives talk to each other.

    Then do that. Create the technology. Make that technology available to people, including non-conservatives. Use that technology to communicate conservative ideas and persuade others of the superiority of conservative ideas over Leftist ideas.

    You aren’t understanding what I wrote the other comments.

    What this comes down to is, Congress has to decide what we are going to do about the public square and the constitution in the era of the network effect.

    I am for less regulation and less litigation against non-governmental corporations and businesses.

    If you don’t like Twitter, create a competitor. If you don’t like Amazon, create a competitor.

    Don’t whine. Innovate.

    You aren’t understanding what I’m saying. The network effect is a barrier to entry that is impossible to overcome. You can’t do it with what you normally expect to do with good management in capital.Victor Davis Hanson’s position is that we have to turn them into utilities.

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    Nonsense. Considering that nearly everyone who voiced even mild criticism of Trump was branded a traitor, and that any of his advisors who tried to help him was turfed out and then branded a traitor, the treason was 1-sided. Trump betrayed people close to him time and time and time again. The last 2 months were the final betrayal.

    Trump was nasty and mean. He also got some solidly conservative policies enacted, conservative justices and judges confirmed, and so on. If people are not politically conservative for the purpose of advancing the conservative agenda and conservative policies then what use are they? People who hindered Trump’s efforts in that regard are not friends of conservatism.

    You haven’t seen real nasty and mean, yet. Dems have given us a preview. It will be ugly.

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  22. The Reticulator Member
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    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    I am for less regulation and less litigation against non-governmental corporations and businesses.

    If you don’t like Twitter, create a competitor. If you don’t like Amazon, create a competitor.

    Don’t whine. Innovate.

    Don’t whine about people whining. It’s a constitutional right.

     

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    A risible syllogism.

    Yes. Conservatives are not welfare recipients. Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

    The issue is, influencing the public square, not just letting conservatives talk to each other.

    Then do that. Create the technology. Make that technology available to people, including non-conservatives. Use that technology to communicate conservative ideas and persuade others of the superiority of conservative ideas over Leftist ideas.

    You aren’t understanding what I wrote the other comments.

    What this comes down to is, Congress has to decide what we are going to do about the public square and the constitution in the era of the network effect.

    I am for less regulation and less litigation against non-governmental corporations and businesses.

    If you don’t like Twitter, create a competitor. If you don’t like Amazon, create a competitor.

    Don’t whine. Innovate.

    You aren’t understanding what I’m saying. The network effect is a barrier to entry that is impossible to overcome. You can’t do it with what you normally expect to do with good management in capital.Victor Davis Hanson’s position is that we have to turn them into utilities.

    I think we disagree on public policy.  I don’t want the government micromanaging non-governmental corporations/businesses.  If Twitter wants to close peoples’ accounts for silly reasons, that’s their business.

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  24. SkipSul Inactive
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    Nonsense. Considering that nearly everyone who voiced even mild criticism of Trump was branded a traitor, and that any of his advisors who tried to help him was turfed out and then branded a traitor, the treason was 1-sided. Trump betrayed people close to him time and time and time again. The last 2 months were the final betrayal.

    Trump was nasty and mean. He also got some solidly conservative policies enacted, conservative justices and judges confirmed, and so on. If people are not politically conservative for the purpose of advancing the conservative agenda and conservative policies then what use are they? People who hindered Trump’s efforts in that regard are not friends of conservatism.

    Again I will point out that almost anyone who even offered constructive criticism was demeaned and scorned for it, so I don’t buy that argument at all.

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    Nonsense. Considering that nearly everyone who voiced even mild criticism of Trump was branded a traitor, and that any of his advisors who tried to help him was turfed out and then branded a traitor, the treason was 1-sided. Trump betrayed people close to him time and time and time again. The last 2 months were the final betrayal.

    Trump was nasty and mean. He also got some solidly conservative policies enacted, conservative justices and judges confirmed, and so on. If people are not politically conservative for the purpose of advancing the conservative agenda and conservative policies then what use are they? People who hindered Trump’s efforts in that regard are not friends of conservatism.

    The person who hindered Trump’s efforts the most was Donald J. Trump.  Those who consistently pointed this out are friends of conservatism even if they were critical of Trump.

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  26. RufusRJones Member
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    A risible syllogism.

    Yes. Conservatives are not welfare recipients. Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

    The issue is, influencing the public square, not just letting conservatives talk to each other.

    Then do that. Create the technology. Make that technology available to people, including non-conservatives. Use that technology to communicate conservative ideas and persuade others of the superiority of conservative ideas over Leftist ideas.

    You aren’t understanding what I wrote the other comments.

    What this comes down to is, Congress has to decide what we are going to do about the public square and the constitution in the era of the network effect.

    I am for less regulation and less litigation against non-governmental corporations and businesses.

    If you don’t like Twitter, create a competitor. If you don’t like Amazon, create a competitor.

    Don’t whine. Innovate.

    You aren’t understanding what I’m saying. The network effect is a barrier to entry that is impossible to overcome. You can’t do it with what you normally expect to do with good management in capital.Victor Davis Hanson’s position is that we have to turn them into utilities.

    I think we disagree on public policy. I don’t want the government micromanaging non-governmental corporations/businesses. If Twitter wants to close peoples’ accounts for silly reasons, that’s their business.

    The Public Square is at least 90% controlled by the four tech companies. This discussion has to be finished in Congress. I think it’s obvious that we can’t keep doing this given the way the constitution is written and you guys don’t agree with me so it has to be finished in Congress.

    John Yoo is actually talking about this at the end of the current Law Talk. 

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    A risible syllogism.

    Yes. Conservatives are not welfare recipients. Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

    The issue is, influencing the public square, not just letting conservatives talk to each other.

    Then do that. Create the technology. Make that technology available to people, including non-conservatives. Use that technology to communicate conservative ideas and persuade others of the superiority of conservative ideas over Leftist ideas.

    You aren’t understanding what I wrote the other comments.

    What this comes down to is, Congress has to decide what we are going to do about the public square and the constitution in the era of the network effect.

    I am for less regulation and less litigation against non-governmental corporations and businesses.

    If you don’t like Twitter, create a competitor.

    And a cell phone company.  And a credit card company.  And a web hoster.  And a bank.  

    Because its a perfectly normal, free market with no failures of any kind when all of this is necessary to fill a substantial market demand.

    Or you could just smugly pretend the demand isn’t there, despite an exponentially expanding customer base whenever such companies are deplatformed, and not the result of monopolies, political connections, and collusion.

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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    A risible syllogism.

    Yes. Conservatives are not welfare recipients. Conservatives are doers, inventors, creators, people who are capable of communicating with each other without the help of Jeff Bezos.

    The issue is, influencing the public square, not just letting conservatives talk to each other.

    Then do that. Create the technology. Make that technology available to people, including non-conservatives. Use that technology to communicate conservative ideas and persuade others of the superiority of conservative ideas over Leftist ideas.

    You aren’t understanding what I wrote the other comments.

    What this comes down to is, Congress has to decide what we are going to do about the public square and the constitution in the era of the network effect.

    I am for less regulation and less litigation against non-governmental corporations and businesses.

    If you don’t like Twitter, create a competitor.

    And a cell phone company. And a credit card company. And a web hoster. And a bank.

    Because its a perfectly normal, free market with no failures of any kind when all of this is necessary to fill a substantial market demand.

    Or you could just smugly pretend the demand isn’t there, despite an exponentially expanding customer base whenever such companies are deplatformed, and not the result of monopolies, political connections, and collusion.

    Another example is the way the Democrats have been using financial rules to screw with gun shops and payday lenders. It’s really sickening.

    (also, payday lending is a way more complicated topic than most people want to make it out to be0

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  29. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    If you don’t like Twitter, create a competitor.

    And a cell phone company. And a credit card company. And a web hoster. And a bank.

    Because its a perfectly normal, free market with no failures of any kind when all of this is necessary to fill a substantial market demand.

    Or you could just smugly pretend the demand isn’t there, despite an exponentially expanding customer base whenever such companies are deplatformed, and not the result of monopolies, political connections, and collusion.

    When people at this time and place say, “create a competitor,” they are actually calling for violent revolution to create a new country with a new financial system and the whole works that is needed to support a competing platform. 

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  30. HeavyWater Inactive
    HeavyWater
    @HeavyWater

    lowtech redneck (View Comment):

    And a cell phone company. And a credit card company. And a web hoster. And a bank.

    Yes.  Yes.  Yes.  And yes.

    Conservatives should be creators, not just consumers of Leftist product.  

    It reminds me of when conservatives would complain about movies with a Leftist message.  Conservatives need to start making their own movies in order to compete with the Left.  There are some instances of this happening and conservative movies are often more popular than Leftist movies.  

     

     

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