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A Question for Ricochetti Who Speak Hebrew
Representative Emanuel Cleaver ended his Congressional prayer by saying “Amen and awomen.”
Amen comes from the ancient Hebrew “āmán,” which means “so be it.” So, just for grins, what does “awoman” mean in ancient Hebrew? It could sound like the phrase “your mother is a tortoise, ” “my hovercraft is full of eels,” or something equally silly. It would be fun to find out.
Could those of you conversant with Hebrew offer a translation? This sounds like something that takes a human being to do, rather than Google Translate. Extra points for ancient Hebrew.
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I don’t know what the heck they were singing but it sure wasn’t Schiller’s Ode to Joy (An die Freude), at least not as he wrote it. Frankly, it looks like they just did a knock-off of this:
Okay, how about this one? Everyone should know the first song, at least. :-)
I have the same reaction to “Man” … as in “Manned Spaceflight” being sidelined for “Crewed Spaceflight” or Manual. Like the books, the labor or the transmission. I really dislike crewed spaceflight, because it sounds like crude spaceflight, if you want crude spaceflight watch Firefly or Spaceballs. NASA does Manned Spaceflight. Manual Transmissions – the idea that women can’t use them is just a coincidence, nothing to do with the name.
You can tell how nonreligious and how poorly educated these elites are. To think that Amen has anything to do with gender, is ridiculous.
It’s a feature, not a bug!
Just imagine how messed up the world would be if “ridiculous” included a k!
It’s Newspeak, which is constructed to make it impossible to think wrongthink, let alone speak it.
Ridicule is one way to fight it. When you see people defending it or saying of your ridicule “that’s not funny,” you know what side they’re on.
I’m tired. All about God and such but… JEEZ….
Men need sandwiches made!!
Awoman to that!
And awoman to git him a beer to go with it!
I would not be surprised if Awomen ends up showing up in churches soon and becomes established religious language rather quickly. Too many people want to be seen being on the right side of history and women allies to let this pass. Especially since it seems to irritate the Right so it is almost certain to be the new requirement. Be honest. It is what Jesus would do.
Haha. No, it’s too stupid even for feminists.
Don’t be too sure.
Part of the new liturgy of the Church of Woke?
I once knew a preacher who took the King James word rereward (meaning the rear guard of an army) as a promise that God was going to reward us multiple times. “He rewards us and re-rewards us and re-rewards us …”
I also heard an open-air preacher use the King James word succour (pronounced sucker but meaning to comfort or quickly come to the aid) in his proclamation in Newport beach: “God is able to succour you!”
Yeah. Biblical literacy is important.
“awoman” is a foreshortened version of the ancient Hebrew taunt “Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!”
Yah, I used to fall for that WWJD, until I realized that it allows a person to take things out of context and project ones ideas on to current events. During the ‘impeachment’ people were asking how would Jesus vote? Well looking back into the Bible, He chose not to get involved in government, “Render unto Caesar… ” and all that, so I’m pretty confident Jesus wouldn’t be in the House or Senate. A better approach is to ask, What did Jesus Do? But then I can’t elevate myself righteousness.
In all party-pooper seriousness, Amen doesn’t translate as “So be it.”
It’s a Hebrew form of an acronym, where:
1) A = El (G-d);
2) me = melech (king);
3) n = ne’eman (faithful).
So “El melech ne’eman” is G-d the faithful king.
Basically an affirmation of G-d’s sovereignty and acknowledgment that what He does in our lives is done in faithfulness (so to speak) to what must be, both in the sense of being what is best for us and in the sense that it is in accordance with His plan for Creation — which *we* must keep faith with as well.
”So be it,” on the other hand, more accurately corresponds to the Hebrew sentence “Ken yehi ratzon “ — this translates as “Thus may it be His will.”
Oftentimes in the formalized liturgy, a prayer or blessing may have several interspersed affirmations combining, where the congregants say “Amen! Ken yehi ratzon” responsively to the prayer leader in the worship service.
I’m not the fastest typist on my phone, so if this overly serious comment ends up “crossing wires” with someone else providing the same info, my apologies!
He had no business praying for a woman in front of congress. He should just get a dating app or check with Bill Clinton for pointers.
I don’t know what the heck they were singing but it sure wasn’t Schiller’s Ode to Joy (An die Freude), at least not as he wrote it. Frankly, it looks like they just did a knock-off of this:
The more knock-offs the better. This, both of them always makes me pay attention.
Akshully, it looks like this one is the knock off – done in 2014 while the first one was in 2012. Regardless, Beethoven put the heart and soul into Schiller. The 0the symphony is simply the greatest piece of music ever written – and Beethoven was stone cold deaf when he wrote it! Sheer genius – there is none greater. And for what it is worth he had a great range – compare the 4th movement of the 9th Symphony to Moonlight Sonata or Fur Elise as a for instance. Hands down the greatest composer ever on Planet Earth.
I think we need to hold their feet to the fire on this. If the problem with the word “Amen” is that it’s a word, one of the components of which is the sexist, now forbidden term “men,” (look no further than the fact that the office formerly known as “Ombudsman” in the house is now called the “Ombuds” for how this works), then obviously, the preferred endings of prayers in Congress should be “A” and “Wo.” Because clearly, the word “Awomen” is just as offensive as “Amen.” Because, you know, “men” is/are in it, as well.
And one of the currently preferred terms (“person”) is also problematic, because it contains what is now known as “gendered language,” but which, in the bad old days, when certain words were used to denote actual differences between people was used to provide specificity so it was possible to discern who and what the subject under discussion actually was.
That’s the sort of mess you get yourself into when you start down the road to this kind of lunacy.
“Per— of interest.”
“—Ifest Destiny”
“Bildungsro—”
“The E—cipation Proclamation”
“Megalo—ia”
“Per—ality”
“Super—ic”
Then there are the “aunt” words:
“h—-”
“t—-”
“d—-”
And, don’t forget, “uncle”
“—–an”
“carb—–”
And so on.
All of these words, and many more, contain words now disallowed in official House communications. We need to get them and more, off the table. Failing that, and if we’re going to insist on the “Amen,” “Awoman” solution, we need to make sure that the alternative forms are offered in consecutive interpretation, just like the UN, so we can have “haunt” and “huncle,” and “supersonic” and “superdaughteric” and “carbuncle” and “carbaunt,” and so on, offered at the same time.
They’re insane. Mean while, Rome burns.
Music is often described as math applied to sound. I wondered if Beethoven wasnt a math prodigy and understood the relationship of his harmonies mathematically instead of hearing them. Maybe thats weird idea.
My favorite interpretation of Fur Elsie is by Ladyva.
Late to the thread, but I’m familiar with the denomination so can answer this somewhat. Founder of Methodist church was John Wesley (my favorite theologian). Many of my family up through my mother’s young adult years were members. The United Methodist denomination is now what most conservatives would consider one of the more Left leaning Protestant churches. There are other more conservative branches such as Free Methodist.
Left-leaning? Then why would Hedy Lamar (THAT’S HEDLEY!) want them?