Shouldn’t This Present Problems?

 

The actor formerly known as Ellen Page recently came out in an Instagram post saying she is a man, now to be known as Elliot Page.

I have my own mixed feelings towards transgenderism but probably lean to the Ben Shapiro side more than anything. We won’t get into that here. What I want to get into are some of the problems a story like this should present to the mainstream leftist ideology. None of these are original, just a few picked up here or there I find to be especially challenging.

  1. Ellen Page was a white female actress. We’re told that females (especially actresses) are paid less. Will Elliot Page see an immediate pay increase?
  2. Now identifying as a male (in the post Elliot says trans which is just doublespeak for male in my opinion), which we’re told is all you have to do to become a male, is Elliot Page now a member of the white patriarchy?
  3. Now identifying as a male but continuing to work in “his” current role, is Elliot not taking a job away from an underprivileged female? Is that not some form of modern 2020 blackface?

The mainstream leftist ideology is riddled with contradictions, especially when it comes to sex. How does one do it? Are they all just real-life “This Is Fine” dogs?

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  1. Antisocial-Introvert Member
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    Podkayne of Israel (View Comment):

    The other ladies here can assure you all that most of us get in several fistfights every year.

    Especially those of us in the Ladies Auxiliary Fight Club.

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  2. Stad Coolidge
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    The only problem is see is whether or not Page is nominated for best actor or actress . . .

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    The only problem is see is whether or not Page is nominated for best actor or actress . . .

    Maybe he/she figured on being nominated for both, double the chances of winning something…

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  4. kedavis Coolidge
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    Antisocial-Introvert (View Comment):

    Podkayne of Israel (View Comment):

    The other ladies here can assure you all that most of us get in several fistfights every year.

    Especially those of us in the Ladies Auxiliary Fight Club.

     

     

     

    Followed of course by:

     

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  5. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    Antisocial-Introvert (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):

    That’s a buncha pretzels – but did she also not say she is gay? So how does that work? She was attracted to men before and she still is? Confused.

    Nah, I think she’s got a “wife.”

    Does this mean the wife is no longer a lesbian?

    That’s how it works, right?

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  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Antisocial-Introvert (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    EODmom (View Comment):

    That’s a buncha pretzels – but did she also not say she is gay? So how does that work? She was attracted to men before and she still is? Confused.

    Nah, I think she’s got a “wife.”

    Does this mean the wife is no longer a lesbian?

    That’s how it works, right?

    More likely the “wife” will leave “him.”  As I recall hearing about another recent case of a  “man becoming a woman” and his male lover/partner/”husband”/whatever leaving “her.”  The comment was something like “If I’d wanted to be with a woman, I would have been with a woman to start with.”

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  7. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    The most astounding thing, to me, was how quickly the Internet bowed to this declaration. Before the end of the day on which she announced she was really a man, IMDB had already changed its Ellen Page entry to “Elliot” and replaced all her pronouns with “they/them.” Wikipedia was also quickly changed, although whoever edited the Ellen Page entry used “he/him” for a lot of it, which I’m sure counts as “Problematic™.”

    Although it does generate some amusing things like reading that “he” won an award for best actress.

    But the speed with which Internet-World obeyed her declarations was astounding.

    We should remove the actress or any female awards.  Just on award for everyone that we can grant to the most aggrieved.

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  8. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    The only problem is see is whether or not Page is nominated for best actor or actress . . .

    There you go again.

    It’ll be “actx.”

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  9. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.  

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  10. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    The most astounding thing, to me, was how quickly the Internet bowed to this declaration. Before the end of the day on which she announced she was really a man, IMDB had already changed its Ellen Page entry to “Elliot” and replaced all her pronouns with “they/them.” Wikipedia was also quickly changed, although whoever edited the Ellen Page entry used “he/him” for a lot of it, which I’m sure counts as “Problematic™.”

    Although it does generate some amusing things like reading that “he” won an award for best actress.

    But the speed with which Internet-World obeyed her declarations was astounding.

    Maybe places like imdb and wikipedia have set up “gender flip” buttons for their editors. The way things are now, it would certainly make their jobs easier. And then when “Elliott” decides to be female again – maybe because “he” discovers it’s easier to win for Best Actress than for Best Actor – all they have to do is click the button again.

    I’m betting the next frontier will be Genderless Oscars. No best actor or actress. Just “best performer”

    That must be given to a gender flipper

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  11. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    The only problem is see is whether or not Page is nominated for best actor or actress . . .

    Both

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  12. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.

    Kids are great. Conservatives especially should have lots of kids. We’ve got to out-breed the leftists.

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  13. kedavis Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.

    Kids are great. Conservatives especially should have lots of kids. We’ve got to out-breed the leftists.

    Yes, have lots of kids, but don’t then send them to the Leftist Indoctrination Camps.  i.e., public schools.

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  14. James Anderson Inactive
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    I don’t care what well informed adults do for happiness.  So long as they follow the golden rule etc. 

    The part I find horrifying is that there apparently is huge increase in the number of pre-puberty children thinking that they will be happier if they transition:

    Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters according to this book.

    I am not recommending the podcast in general, but, if you want to check if the theme of the book is worth considering:

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/abigail-shrier-on-teen-trans-trend-feminism-technology/id1532976305?i=1000495240932

    is pretty good (not morally good, to me it seems insane) overview. 

    A scenario they go over in the podcast is to just imagine the nightmare scenario were some child thinks this will make them happy and they undergo hormone treatment pre-puberty.  Then they get to their 20-30s and realize they made a mistake and they want to have kids and they are infertile.  (not a doctor, not sure if its true. seems plausible)

    If its just changing your hair and clothes and wanting to be referred to by gender X, I guess, fine, who cares.  But if these lefty ideas turn out to be wrong and 100’s (1000’s?) of kids regret following through with this, I wonder if the people pushing this will have the self awareness to feel regret.  Of course not.

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  15. Hoyacon Member
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    James Anderson (View Comment):

    If its just changing your hair and clothes and wanting to be referred to by gender X, I guess, fine, who cares. But if these lefty ideas turn out to be wrong and 100’s (1000’s?) of kids regret following through with this, I wonder if the people pushing this will have the self awareness to feel regret. Of course not.

    You’ve highlighted a serious area of concern, and one other area that I find problematic for a “live and let live” attitude is the use of public policy (i.e., anti-bias laws) to infringe on private decision-making in this area.  One may well be able to question the need for these laws in general in the market place of today (and Richard Epstein has done just that), but the rapidity with which the trans movement was able to gain entry into a protected classification was pretty amazing.

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  16. Stina Inactive
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    James Anderson (View Comment):
    The part I find horrifying is that there apparently is huge increase in the number of pre-puberty children thinking that they will be happier if they transition:

    A happy circumstance of school shutdown due to COVID is a lot of these kids are detransitioning due to lack of peer and teacher pressure.

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  17. TBA Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    The most astounding thing, to me, was how quickly the Internet bowed to this declaration. Before the end of the day on which she announced she was really a man, IMDB had already changed its Ellen Page entry to “Elliot” and replaced all her pronouns with “they/them.” Wikipedia was also quickly changed, although whoever edited the Ellen Page entry used “he/him” for a lot of it, which I’m sure counts as “Problematic™.”

    Although it does generate some amusing things like reading that “he” won an award for best actress.

    But the speed with which Internet-World obeyed her declarations was astounding.

    Maybe places like imdb and wikipedia have set up “gender flip” buttons for their editors. The way things are now, it would certainly make their jobs easier. And then when “Elliott” decides to be female again – maybe because “he” discovers it’s easier to win for Best Actress than for Best Actor – all they have to do is click the button again.

    It’s a toggle switch next to the Deplatform and Unperson buttons. 

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  18. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    I think she’s doing it for the perks, much like Tim Whatley converted to Judaism for the jokes:

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  19. LibertyDefender Member
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    If Ellen Page were truly a good actress, she’d not have needed to announce that she’s a man.

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  20. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.

    Kids are great. Conservatives especially should have lots of kids. We’ve got to out-breed the leftists.

    Why would you leave your children to where the world is heading?  Seem short sighted and cruel.

    • #50
  21. Dotorimuk Coolidge
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    Great minds are weighing in:

      Titania McGrath@TitaniaMcGrath·Dec 2I am so proud of Elliot Page for transitioning and becoming a beacon of hope for humanity.
     That said, now that Page is a straight man he is officially an oppressor and deserves nothing but our contempt. #CancelElliotPage

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  22. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Who?

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  23. thelonious Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.

    Kids are great. Conservatives especially should have lots of kids. We’ve got to out-breed the leftists.

    Why would you leave your children to where the world is heading? Seem short sighted and cruel.

    When you consider most of human existence was short, brutish and harsh, a child born today is born into extravagance. The politics of the world has always been unstable. Nothing new there. Why let that stop ya? Procreate away.

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  24. Flicker Coolidge
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    thelonious (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.

    Kids are great. Conservatives especially should have lots of kids. We’ve got to out-breed the leftists.

    Why would you leave your children to where the world is heading? Seem short sighted and cruel.

    When you consider most of human existence was short, brutish and harsh, a child born today is born into extravagance. The politics of the world has always been unstable. Nothing new there. Why let that stop ya? Procreate away.

    Did you just say, Go forth and multiply?

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  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.

    Kids are great. Conservatives especially should have lots of kids. We’ve got to out-breed the leftists.

    Why would you leave your children to where the world is heading? Seem short sighted and cruel.

    When you consider most of human existence was short, brutish and harsh, a child born today is born into extravagance. The politics of the world has always been unstable. Nothing new there. Why let that stop ya? Procreate away.

    Did you just say, Go forth and multiply?

    If you don’t like forth, would you prefer maybe javascript?

    :-)

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  26. thelonious Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.

    Kids are great. Conservatives especially should have lots of kids. We’ve got to out-breed the leftists.

    Why would you leave your children to where the world is heading? Seem short sighted and cruel.

    When you consider most of human existence was short, brutish and harsh, a child born today is born into extravagance. The politics of the world has always been unstable. Nothing new there. Why let that stop ya? Procreate away.

    Did you just say, Go forth and multiply?

    I want to see a whole bunch of Flicker Jrs. commenting on this site in the next 30 years.

    • #56
  27. Flicker Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.

    Kids are great. Conservatives especially should have lots of kids. We’ve got to out-breed the leftists.

    Why would you leave your children to where the world is heading? Seem short sighted and cruel.

    When you consider most of human existence was short, brutish and harsh, a child born today is born into extravagance. The politics of the world has always been unstable. Nothing new there. Why let that stop ya? Procreate away.

    Did you just say, Go forth and multiply?

    If you don’t like forth, would you prefer maybe javascript?

    :-)

    Secret: I don’t get it.

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  28. Flicker Coolidge
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    thelonious (View Comment):

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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.

    Kids are great. Conservatives especially should have lots of kids. We’ve got to out-breed the leftists.

    Why would you leave your children to where the world is heading? Seem short sighted and cruel.

    When you consider most of human existence was short, brutish and harsh, a child born today is born into extravagance. The politics of the world has always been unstable. Nothing new there. Why let that stop ya? Procreate away.

    Did you just say, Go forth and multiply?

    I want to see a whole bunch of Flicker Jrs. commenting on this site in the next 30 years.

    So who am I?  Abraham?!  But thanks for the thought.  I often tell my wife that Sarah conceived in her old age, and I think she doesn’t think it’s funny anymore.  By the way, she’s 29. :)

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  29. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.

    Kids are great. Conservatives especially should have lots of kids. We’ve got to out-breed the leftists.

    Why would you leave your children to where the world is heading? Seem short sighted and cruel.

    If I raise ’em right, they can help change the direction! It’s actually taking the long view. It’s only cruel for me because I can’t see the future. Pretty sure they’re happy they exist. I’m not a anti-natalist like that one guy we had around here for awhile.

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  30. kedavis Coolidge
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    Flicker (View Comment):

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    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    Fake John/Jane Galt (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Another thought:

    Ellen Page, Ellen DeGeneres… Maybe it’s a hint to parents: Don’t name your daughter Ellen.

    Don’t have kids.

    Kids are great. Conservatives especially should have lots of kids. We’ve got to out-breed the leftists.

    Why would you leave your children to where the world is heading? Seem short sighted and cruel.

    When you consider most of human existence was short, brutish and harsh, a child born today is born into extravagance. The politics of the world has always been unstable. Nothing new there. Why let that stop ya? Procreate away.

    Did you just say, Go forth and multiply?

    If you don’t like forth, would you prefer maybe javascript?

    :-)

    Secret: I don’t get it.

    forth and javascript are both programming languages in which it is possible to (arithmetically) multiply.

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