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You Want Unity? Seriously?
It’s like asking a person who has gone through four years of unjustified, ceaseless torture to join up with you in running the country. Let’s be unified?
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
First, let me say that I’m not a person who takes revenge, which I define as exacting punishment for a wrong in a resentful spirit. But I do feel motivated to avenge this corrupt election: I do want to inflict punishment as an act of retributive justice. At one time revenge and avenge meant the same thing, but I think the subtle difference is relevant in this situation.
Joe Biden is not justified in asking for unity. In the last four years, the Democrats and the media have scorned the President and the Presidency. They have lied, distorted, and planned ceaselessly, every single day, to destroy President Trump. Attacking the President, his family, his staff, and his supporters with such derision and hatefulness does not warrant any effort on the part of the Republicans to come anywhere close to trying to unify the government. In effect, the Democrats violated every code of integrity, decency, and truthfulness in their efforts. Political parties always have a certain amount of feuding that happens, but to begin attacking the President before he even took office is detestable. There needs to be accountability.
In addition to choosing to avenge the President’s treatment, I think we need to understand what Biden means by unity: don’t get in our way. He can’t possibly believe that the Republicans will support a far-Left agenda. Joining in his plans to destroy the country economically by trying to initiate climate change legislation, increase taxes, continue to abuse our education curricula, remove tariffs with the Chinese, pass onerous regulations against businesses—there is no way that can happen with our complicity. It not only would eliminate the economic growth that occurred during Trump’s time in office, but would take the country into an economic tailspin.
But Biden’s using the word “unity,” when other words might have been more appropriate is a “tell.” If he had said cooperation or negotiating in government, I might have had a different reaction. But Biden is addressing the entire country, more specifically Republicans. He’s talking to us, the citizens on the Right:
He wants us to make believe that the last four years never happened.
He wants us to be willing to put aside our differences and support their agenda.
He wants us to forget those who insulted, attacked, and harassed us, even making sure that people lost their jobs.
He wants us to make believe that there is no cancel culture, that it’s okay if the mainstream media continues to berate us, that we should be helpful and cooperative, just like the Republicans of old.
You destroyed any possibility of our working with you. You have no idea how deplorable we can be.
No matter who finally wins the election, you will lose.
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I have been a lawyer now for 43 years. 25 years ago I received some advice from a more experienced lawyer. He said that he would never trust another lawyer who had never had an ethics complaint filed against him. I asked why. Because if no one has never complained about you, you have failed to be strong enough of an advocate to upset anyone.
The Code of Conduct protects us from running off the rails. But politics ain’t bean ball either. It is important to know where the lines are.
It has been said that almost every situation can be compared to an Episode from Star Trek. In “Tapesty” Picard dies and in heaven meets Q who reviews that the reason why Picard died was that he had an artificial heart due to being stabbed in the heart in a fight as a young man. Q has Picard see what would have happened if he had too high of an aversion to risk. The result was that he would have never distinguished himself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapestry_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)#:~:text=Picard%20lost%20his%20original%20heart,restrained%20man%20he%20is%20today.&text=When%20the%20Nausicaans%20try%20to,another%20game%2C%20Picard%20prevents%20it.
I believe what I believe. I fight hard for my beliefs. I am not a Milquetoast. I am who I am. I know what the rules are, and I fight and fight hard within the bounds. And, for better or worse, like Trump, I am a counter-puncher.
You would have been well advised to not try to humiliate HeavyWater in Comment #99.
C’mon man !
Let’s see more of that unity thing.
My money’s on Susan.
I’m only going to say this once. I have no clue @garyrobbins and @heavywater why you comment on these posts. You say that I tried to humiliate Heavy Water, Gary? And just what are you two doing? You both are trying to humiliate those who choose to support Trump because you think his efforts are hopeless. Are you going to deny that is your intention? You can make the most rational arguments in the world, but your disdain for those who choose to hope is palpable.
Now you are entitled to do just that. But on my posts (any of them), when you basically same the same things repeatedly, as the moderator of my own posts, I am allowed to ask you to leave. In fact, anyone can ask you to leave. I will never understand why people insist on engaging you when you say the same things over and over again, but they do. That is their right. But when I personally tire of the back and forth, watching you insult others through your ideas (if not your words), I’m going to ask you to stop. Now you don’t have to stop; I can’t literally kick you off one of my posts. But you aren’t going to impress anyone with your strong efforts to argue, Gary or Heavy Water. Certainly not me.
What are you saying, @garyrobbins? Is that some kind of threat?
Occasionally here on Ricochet I would suggest that Trump step down as President and then Mike Pence would become President. I would also mention that we would have been better off with Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio or Scott Walker or Bobby Jindal or Rick Perry than Donald Trump.
I think the recent election should open the eyes of at least some people on Ricochet that Trump isn’t the political talent many thought he was.
If the GOP continues to stick with Trump, there is no way to retake the White House in 2024.
So, my comments are for the purpose of combatting the pro-Trump brainwashing that has been going on for the past several years. That pro-Trump brainwashing resulted in defeat last week. How do some respond to that defeat? They argue that Trump was not actually defeated, only cheated.
If Romney or McCain had said that they were cheated, but they were unable to get the defeat overturned via post-election lawsuits, we would still see them as losers. It’s time we realize that Trump is a loser. Maybe we don’t have to conclude that now. But if Trump loses his legal challenges, we need to accept that Trump lost and not nominate Trump again in 2024.
That’s not about humiliating people. That’s about taking the conservative movement in the correct direction.
Of course not! But let’s be very, very clear, you hijacked your own thread when you decided to shut up HeavyWater back in your Comment #99. (I remember liberals on their”Hush Rush” campaigns.)
Gary once didn’t like a comment of mine, and — literally — said it was criminal, and threatened me over it. So, yes, he threatens.
The democrats use skulduggery. And so do the Never Trumpers. They use against Donald Trump AND his conservative base outright fiction, false premises, misdirection, non-sequitur argumentation, innuendo, ridicule, libel, and malicious and violent symbology; and they often use more than one of these in just about every statement they make. This is all designed to mislead conservative political opponents and to nullify their arguments. It is a psychological approach to framing and phrasing arguments that differs fundamentally from basic conservative culture and thinking. This is the difference between arguments made in good faith and those which are not.
This is one component of why such a great divide exists between the Left including Never Trumpers, and conservatives including Trumpers. It is why at least one NTer has frequently been temporarily barred from commenting on Ricochet. There is a particularly pernicious use of smarminess and false premises by NTers even in entering into conversations with Trumpers. And this is why there are at least four NTers whose writings I never read; I try to skip past them, and my eye may read snippets, especially when they are being quoted and responded to by by others. Two of these commenters have in the past few days had several of their comments redacted by Moderators because of vulgarity, rudeness, ad hominem attacks and widely off topic comments (these off topic comments were apparently designed to get them to be viewable by readers of the Main Feed despite them originating in a Members-Only post of their own which wasn’t advanced to the main feed). This is also the difference between arguments made in good faith and those which are not.
Ok. When Donald Trump mentioned the story in the National Enquirer accusing Ted Cruz’s father of being part of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, was that spreading misinformation?
If Trump was capable of spreading lies in that case, it’s possible Trump is lying to us now when he says that he really didn’t lose this election against Biden.
We’ve been told for years that Trump is the only Republican who is capable of winning. Now it looks as though Trump lost and the argument is that the election was stolen.
How does this sort of blind trust in an untrustworthy person like Trump advance the cause of conservatism? It doesn’t.
The Left is delusional. Thus, it is important for conservatives to see the world clearly. We know the Left won’t, at least not in most circumstances. To see the world clearly would be to acknowledge that Trump lost, just like Romney and McCain did. So, we don’t have to nominate Trump in 2024. We can choose among other options. We don’t have to act like members of a cult.
I don’t remember saying that you said something criminal unless you are a banned member with the initials of E.S. I that I might have said that what you said was defamatory, but that is covered by civil law and not criminal law.
Susan asked that HeavyWater and I retire from this post in Comment #125, then she threw a punch at my in Comment #126, and now you are throwing a punch at me in Comment #129, and a punch at NT’s in Comment #130. (And Bryan will throw his own punch in the next comment #133). I am far too much a counter puncher to ignore thrown elbows.
You sent a DM to me recently asking if we could get along. This is a funny way of getting along.
Needs repeating.
I only read the first sentence out of courtesy. I don’t trust anything you say anymore. You did as I have said. And as I wrote this I thought: Gary denies making statements that others go back and prove that he has made: I’ll bet Gary denies remembering any of this. And sho nuff you don’t remember.
So now I’m going to be direct. @heavywater and @garyrobbins, please leave this thread. I’m also going to ask people to let you say whatever you plan to say and not respond. Please do not respond to them everyone. If you do, I may just ask for comments to be closed. I’ve had enough.
Well that is no fun. Who would I mock then?
I accept.
I’m off for the night.
This evening (Wednesday) it’s actually looking like trying to achieve something resembling unity among the Democrats may be a challenge that should provide its own entertainment.
They’ve been so busy trying to put together a coalition of narrow disparate interests to “win” certain things, they’ve forgotten how disparate those interests really are.
Why not? Why isn’t there a ‘ filter ‘ function? So easy to add; even the chans have it.
BTW, They can’t ‘hear’ what you are saying/or understand what you are writing. You are arguing with classic ‘botboy’ mentality. It’s all about the money, the clicks; you are making them rich.
Do you really think that’s it?
Ok. I’m out.
Took you long enough.
I accept
Its morning in America.
@garyrobbins…Dude. Do you even read yourself?
@garyrobbins, where in the wide, wide world of sports are you coming from? Have you ever actually thrown a punch (not digitally, in meat world). Haver you ever actually taken a punch (not digitally, in meat world).
I doubt it, so: If not, then stop it. You denigrate those of us that throw and take real world punches. Find another metaphor, Petunia.
I don’t think even he could take it.
And I want to state that when Barack Obama was elected President the first time, and then reelected, I was VERY disappointed because I disagreed with all of his stands. However, I considered Obama to be my President because I knew he absolutely won the vote, in two fair and secure elections. But I DO NOT feel the same about Joe Biden. Despite all the post-election gaslighting, I know that the blatant ballot-box stuffing that occurred in those five swing states was real, and I will not forget it.
Maybe it would be like the Diablero, which can’t stand to see its own reflection…