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Regarding Trump Hatred
I have been bewildered by the intense, beyond all reason, hatred of Donald J. Trump since he became a candidate for the POTUS. Therefore, I have finally come to the Ricochet community seeking your insights. I have no reason to suspect he is any more than a normal human being with strengths and weaknesses common to mankind. So, in all seriousness, please contribute your thoughts as to why his opponents are, I believe, quite literally insane, i.e., out of their minds, in regards to him.
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Who said everything need a creator? We’ve been through this, too, I think. God transcends time. He is self-existent — the only thing or being that is self-existent. He doesn’t have a start date, and this is true because he invented (or more rightly, created) time itself. God did not grow and did not mature. He didn’t spring from anything. The universe, that is all that is, that isn’t God himself, sprang from him, at His command.
Maybe I take the “hatred” mentioned in the title of the OP to be high hatred or something. Whatever hatred is less than “high” hatred is just the reaction due to the CIA/ Operation Mockingbird-stimulated propaganda. Much like the irrational and unprecedented terror of covid.
Meanwhile, how many of these hundreds or thousands will be prosecuted, and hence show up on lists of those prosecuted?
Here is the DFL [Minnesota’s Democratic Party] insurrection action plan. It is 11 pages long, containing action bullet points, calendar time tables, and charts. This is just the first half of the first page, more or less and introductory. (bolded italics mine)
Confdential working draft – not for public
MN Democracy Defense Plan
Landscape Assessment & Context
Theory of What Will Happen
Role and Responsibility of Democracy Defense Organizations
Phases
Key Dates and Election Process
Lanes of Work to Prepare
Additional Resources and References
Landscape Assessment & Context
Minnesota has DFL control of all consttutonal offices (e.g. Governor, Secretary of State, Attorney General) and the Minnesota State House. The GOP controls the Minnesota State Senate. In this context and given our experience of the state’s August primary, we expect our elections to be administered without state-driven suppression. However, in Minnesota, elections are administered mainly at the County level. This means much of the process will be in the hands of local county officials (including security from County Sheriffs). Such officials may be unfriendly or open to coercion by right-wing violence. Even in friendly counties, local officials could be subject to similar coercion for non-local actors.
Then why can’t the universe or a universe that created our universe exist outside of time? Why does it have to be G-d?
Because, to borrow a line from the nice-looking-but-awful-story movie “Prometheus” (the “Alien” “prequel”) “it’s what they choose to believe.”
The universe can’t exist outside of time because it doesn’t. That’s not what it does.
Once they’ve defined God as “that which created the universe” and defined the universe as “that which God created” there’s no shifting them.
Zero to five, inclusive.
Ah, you appeal to science. Does our universe exist outside of time? Or is time an integral part of it.
Where do you get these?
Well, I know the show very well, and I know what to search for on youtube.
Yes, he is. But his doing so is not germane.
Here’s another favorite, I’ve used it in the past when someone completely missed the point of something…
You appear to know little or nothing of what Christians and other theists actually say about these matters.
The strategy is to learn about the universe from experience. We define the universe empirically. And if the empirical evidence suggests that all contingent beings require a cause, then so be it. Everything else is logic.
Maybe the logic shows that those contingent beings can only be explained by an Uncaused Cause–a First Cause, a necessary being whose own existence is part of its own nature and which can therefore be the fundamental explanation for the existence of other beings.
Such a being would properly be called G-d–a fact the demonstration of which would merely require one to consult the dictionary.
But maybe the logic does not lead that way. One must look at the logic carefully. It’s not like Christians all agree on these arguments. Most of us never even manage to understand the basics of Aquinas’ versions.
In fact, to answer the question in the OP perhaps this partly explains it. This is from the Democrat document I referred above and presumably this has been an ongoing strategy.
“Make the road as we walk: Our work must elevate and demonstrate the world we want to live in and our demands. We will beat hate with our joyful rebellion. In our relationships and our action we will show – not tell – what a new world can look like.“
In a new world where good means bad and lies mean truth, a “joyful” just may translate to a “hateful”.
If one wants to think about God, he must think of a being greater than which none can be conceived. That means among other things a being whose existence is not contingent. I have no idea whether such a being exists.
He’s coming to the same conclusion but ignoring the cause entirely.
Yes. Your point being?
On balance I agree. The left would speak of Bushitler and call Cheney a war criminal but this was more a matter of contempt than rage.
I suspect the irrational hatred/rage is the same contempt but driven to a fever pitch and that it has less to do with Trump than it does with the left’s having lost the ability to not take disagreement personally. They hate him because he is wrong, the world is wrong, their neighbors have betrayed them by voting for someone that was obviously wrong. When your only tool is immanentizing the eschaton, every dissenter is the Anti-Christ – even if you don’t believe in Christ.
Sorry it wasn’t about anyone missing a point here. Just that I also know that show very well, and knew what to search for. It’s fortunate that it was available as just that short clip, more often something I can use ends up being partway through a longer scene.
Well, firstly it might well be the living God. But an inanimate universe birthing out our universe leaves out the question or life, and of right and wrong. This would require a sentient universe, and that’s getting pretty close to a finite version of the infinite God.
Unless there is no right and wrong, except for what we come up with ourselves.
The term ‘stan’, a portmanteau of stalker and fan is a good example of ironic distancing.
Yes, but who put in their heads that Trump is wrong?
I was quoting Homer Simpson. It’s the only quote I know.
A man alone is subject to becoming crazy over time, whereas a man in a mob can pick up crazy for free.
Aye, but the question at hand involves the proximate cause of trump hatred. And he agrees with you about it being a nastiness within human beings regardless of source, so you’re twinsies for our purposes here.
Old Man #1: How did you get this much crazy?
Old Man #2: I’m paying on time.
Old Man #3: What do you mean? There giving out on the corner!