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Regarding Trump Hatred
I have been bewildered by the intense, beyond all reason, hatred of Donald J. Trump since he became a candidate for the POTUS. Therefore, I have finally come to the Ricochet community seeking your insights. I have no reason to suspect he is any more than a normal human being with strengths and weaknesses common to mankind. So, in all seriousness, please contribute your thoughts as to why his opponents are, I believe, quite literally insane, i.e., out of their minds, in regards to him.
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Definitely a Creator. That’s why there’s Creation.
Three points. Maybe better to say three HEADINGS. But many doctrines.
That is an absolutely awesome paper. I really love the point about Science, Trust, and repeating every experiment.
What comes before us is a necessary foundation to moving forward. To reject our parents’ and grandparents’ accumulated wisdom is to repeat all of their mistakes and never move past them for the next generation.
I believe that hatred grows out of egotistical envy.
And whatever conservatives felt regarding 0bama, I don’t think it was hatred, and it certainly was nothing like what we see with Trump — it may arguably have been pretty nutty (which I would dispute) but it was not lying violent rage. For example, no conservatives tried to shoot up 0bama’s liberal political supporters.
Liberals did fantasize about murdering Bush 43, but that was not as ubiquitous as what we see with Trump.
And finally, I knew a guy who fairly despised Trump, but he did not engage in irrational hatred that I could see.
No, I think this is orders of magnitude different.
“We may be stupid but at least we know that three states can’t simultaneously be 50th in education.” – GA, AL, LA
Denisovians’re extinct. But still – screw those guys!
Can they all be 47th? :)
Oh. Good point.
I don’t enjoy my fury. But maybe that’s the intermediating work of the Holy Spirit, who doesn’t allow me to enjoy it.
Lots of good & insightful thoughts here…one more I would like to add: a phenomenon I find in some Trump-haters is a high level of *knowingness*…which is not to be confused with *knowledge*. The concept was defined by the late Michael Kelly, and his writing on the topic was excerpted and explained in an old blog post at Lead and Gold. It is really worth reading.
I’d be interested in any other thoughts on Knowingness and how it might relate to Trump-hatred.
I believe I am being misquoted here, although if it is brilliant enough I will go ahead and claim it for my own.
Sorry about that. I’ll try to fix it. But are you sure you’re being misquoted? Or is that just a little voice in your cranium telling you so.
This is not joy, but the kind of rush that person gets from being fawned upon. Hating the “right” people is a way to show virtue and draw praise from one’s tribe. This is an ego driven by pride that puts the rush of fawning over absolute morals.
Fritz Leiber had a good line in his story Coming Attractions: Have you ever lifted a rock from damp soil? Have you seen the slimy white grubs? Trump lifted the rock and showed us the slimy RINOs.
For decades the plan has been the same. Pick and issue to run on, but have a reason why you can’t actually address it when you get in office. You know: All we have is the Senate. Then, we don’t have the White House. Then, we don’t have a filibuster-proof majority. Trump blew it up. He exposed them, especially the RINOs, and hatred is his reward. But not from all of us. The man inspired me to vote GOP for the first time since 2000. Never Demo-rat; Constitution Party or Libertarian until now.
NeverTrumpers aren’t into that redemption stuff. Especially not David French.
Me either.
I agree with you but still, do you think this is because Trump showed up the RINOs?
Interesting take. Is “knowingness” his own term?
I think it kind of goes hand-in-hand with the age of irony. One isn’t allowed to enjoy anything on its own merit, particularly not any sort of traditional virtues. All must be placed at a sort of ironic distance. The idea that you can love a thing for itself or express genuine feeling for it exposes you to have the weakness of sentiment. Instead, one must only find ironic pleasure in it — keeping a distance because you’re just too cool to really like it.
I dare say “patriotism” fell prey to that sort of ironic distancing.
That’s the only reason I can imagine for RINOs and/or NeverTrumpers hating him. He did and is doing what they always claimed they wanted to do. The Demo-rats hate him because they can’t roll him the way they did the RINOs. Those guys did nothing but give a nod and a wink to Demos.
Standard Disclaimer: I’ve been wrong before.
I’m not sure of the relationship between active contemptuous rage and knowingness. Perhaps knowingness is a tool. It just about perfectly describes the content of the words that (mostly young women) protesters use when screaming taunts a the police. Or at sidewalk cafe diners. Or free-speech advocates who anti-fa or BLM face off against.
Can calling a black man a ‘coon” or a race traitor, or calling a cop a fascist, or calling an aging white man trying to drive his car down a street a white supremacist, anything but knowingness? Knowingness may go hand in hand with intellectual and emotional contempt, but not violent rage, I don’t think.
But once again, I have to ask: It this the effect of RINOs being exposed? Who cares this much?
As it happens, I wrote a program in High School to calculate GPAs and generate a “rank” list, so I had to look up how to do this:
If you have two or more people – or states, etc – with the same score of whatever, they have the same rank number and then the next rank is that many steps below.
So in this case, yes, GA, AL, and LA would actually all be ranked 48th, and the next state – if there were one, and soon there might be… – would skip ahead to 51.
Added: Perhaps I should point out that this wasn’t a common-knowledge thing for a regular class assignment where I was the only one who had to look it up. In High School, there were Computer I classes, and Computer II classes for the more advanced… I did that program in Computer III, a “class” that was created just for me, during the computer teacher’s free period. I didn’t require supervision so he still had his free time, and I did that program and a few other special projects for the school administration and a few other teachers. Another I remember was an analysis program for the physics teacher’s classes doing Millikan Oil Drop Experiments.
I don’t think so. The ones in the video have been driven nearly insane by listening to people such as Hillary telling them lies about what Trump will do to their “rights”. Spend a month reading nothing but the NYTimes, WaPo, and listening to NPR and most people might be the same.
Thank you.
Yes, that would be like a scientist saying “I’m an empiricist! I reject all appeals to authority! I reject all the established scientific theories until I can prove them for myself.”
Okay, so apparently I was wrong about how beige the Bushes were.
From Quartz criminal prosecutions for death threats against Presidents:
And criminal prosecutions for threats against federal officials:
From the same article:
So there’s that – though criminal prosecutions is a very rough proxy for actual threats. Also, the data ends in 2018 – so I can’t say for the past two years.
I said pleasure. I don’t know what joy means. I’m reading a book about it and I’ll get back to you.
As far as I’m concerned, dealing only with prosecutions is far from… conclusive? Something. It might be more credible than claiming that the low number of prosecutions for vote fraud “proves” that it’s not really an issue, but that’s a low bar. Something like the left claiming that the riots are “peaceful” because nobody has been prosecuted for violence. Yeah, and we know why!
If everything needs a creator, who made G-d?
Exists necessarily if He exists at all.
Not everything needs a creator. No one says that. Well, no Christian anyway.
And I do think death threats represent hatred and irrationality. Or maybe moreso a psychopathic or psychotic mentality. But lunatic lone gunmen I can almost understand: they’re legitimately crazy. But I’m thinking about — and this may be exactly what’s represented here — hundreds or thousands of twenty-something white college educated, mostly female, shriekers, hurling mindless, insulting invective and threats a policemen, cafe diners, elderly men and women trying to cross the street and anybody trying to drive a car.
On the other hand, having just seen a leaked document meticulously outlining pre-election canvassing, and post-election insurrection, maybe they’re all just crazy like foxes. See this article for the document.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/10/29/exclusive-leaked-document-leftists-fear-trump-may-win-minnesota-plot-post-election-mass-mobilization/