Food for Thought on Polling

 

A friend of mine sent me this link to a National Review article on polling. Two key takeaways from the article:

Another factor, is that “conservatives are less likely to participate in polls in general,” he says. “We see a five-to-one refusal rate among conservatives.” That means “you’ve got to work very hard to get a fair representation of conservatives, when you do any kind of a survey.”

And this:

One problem with weighting is that Republicans “who don’t like Trump can’t wait to answer a poll,” he says. “So immediately, within the 22 percent, they’ve probably overrepresented it, the anti-Trump Republicans, the Never Trumper types. Well, when you weight that up from 22 to 35, now you have skewed an already bad representation sample. So that’s kind of inherently how they can be so off.”

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  1. Headedwest Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    People who only answer calls from numbers they know, are going to miss calls from hospitals where a relative has been admitted or possibly died…

    They’ll miss calls from people they know who had to use someone else’s phone for some reason…

    All kinds of important stuff.

    About the only calls I just ignore, are those where I can see that some scammer is pretending to use a number similar to mine, in the hopes that I’ll believe it’s someone in my area… I might still call them back, though, to verify that it was a spoof call. “We’re sorry, the number you are calling is not in service. Please check the number and try again.”

    That’s why we have voicemail.

    It’s a nice theory, but I know a lot of people who don’t check, and/or don’t delete old messages so then you get “The mail box is full. *click*”

    Easy enough to fix: generate a proper Caller ID.

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  2. Headedwest Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    JustmeinAZ (View Comment):

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    Really confused. You answer your phone if you don’t know who’s calling you?

    I do because too many medical offices now are not identified on caller ID. I once blocked my PCP because I didn’t recognize the number and they had to send me snail mail to communicate. Same with my mail-order pharmacies.

    I do not understand why big corporations cannot arrange to have proper Caller ID when they phone me. It’s a mystery, wrapped in an enigma..

    I’ve found that when people are working from home these days, they don’t have a corporate phone number. They might show as “anonymous” so you don’t get their personal phone number, or they might even “spoof” a more or less random number.

    That is not my problem.

     

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  3. Vince Guerra Inactive
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    Max Ledoux (View Comment):

    It is true, the two polls I have ever taken (in my entire life) started like this:

    **Brrrrrrrngggggggg***

    Me: Hello?

    Pollster: Hi, I’m a pollster, could you answer a few questions? It will take 25-30 minutes.

    Me: Let’s do this. I work from home, have no children, and would crawl through a pit of snakes to vote for Trump

    Mine goes like this:

    Me: Hello, this is Vince

    Pollster: **Says something about a poll I barely hear over kid noises**

    Me: Sorry, no. Bye now.

    I’ve repeated this at least three times so far this year.

    • #33
  4. Bob Armstrong Thatcher
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    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    They will just steal it.

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/19/we-gamed-out-the-2020-election-and-found-our-constitution-can-handle-the-madness/

    They won’t seat Republicans. Remember when they flirted with halting the turn over before?

    Nancy Pelosi.

    Bryan –

    Great link, especially the actual Claremont wargame report itself. Was like reading a Tom Clancy novel in short form!

    • #34
  5. Z in MT Member
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    The problem with R’s not participating in polls is that it gives ammunition to the D’s in any election dispute.

    • #35
  6. kedavis Coolidge
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    JustmeinAZ (View Comment):

    Hang On (View Comment):
    Really confused. You answer your phone if you don’t know who’s calling you?

    I do because too many medical offices now are not identified on caller ID. I once blocked my PCP because I didn’t recognize the number and they had to send me snail mail to communicate. Same with my mail-order pharmacies.

    I do not understand why big corporations cannot arrange to have proper Caller ID when they phone me. It’s a mystery, wrapped in an enigma..

    I’ve found that when people are working from home these days, they don’t have a corporate phone number. They might show as “anonymous” so you don’t get their personal phone number, or they might even “spoof” a more or less random number.

    That is not my problem.

    It could end up being your problem, depending on what information was intended to be passed to you, or the reverse.

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  7. kedavis Coolidge
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    People who only answer calls from numbers they know, are going to miss calls from hospitals where a relative has been admitted or possibly died…

    They’ll miss calls from people they know who had to use someone else’s phone for some reason…

    All kinds of important stuff.

    About the only calls I just ignore, are those where I can see that some scammer is pretending to use a number similar to mine, in the hopes that I’ll believe it’s someone in my area… I might still call them back, though, to verify that it was a spoof call. “We’re sorry, the number you are calling is not in service. Please check the number and try again.”

    That’s why we have voicemail.

    It’s a nice theory, but I know a lot of people who don’t check, and/or don’t delete old messages so then you get “The mail box is full. *click*”

    Easy enough to fix: generate a proper Caller ID.

    How is  your spouse or child or whatever, supposed to “generate a proper Caller ID” from someone else’s phone that they have to use to try and let you know that they crashed, or whatever?

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  8. RushBabe49 Thatcher
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    I have no problem with answering polls, if they call me. I have always been a sucker for marketing anyway.  If asked, I say I am voting (have already voted) for Trump.  But I have not been polled this year, and do not expect to be.

    My pet peeve is calls where the Caller ID only lists a city and a phone number.  I figured out that those calls tend to be from Scientologists for Ray, and I never, ever answer them.

    My financial advisor, who I have spoken to a few times, calls from an 800-number, no name. “800 Service” calls are normally marketing, but I know which one is hers, and I know that she only calls when we have an appointment.

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  9. Hartmann von Aue Member
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    Theodoric of Freiberg (View Comment):

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    Dratted paywall. I already hit my four free articles.

    Listen to the podcast for free: https://www.nationalreview.com/podcasts/the-editors/special-episode-the-pollster-who-thinks-trump-is-ahead/

    Thanks!

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  10. CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker Coolidge
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    Bob Armstrong (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    They will just steal it.

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/19/we-gamed-out-the-2020-election-and-found-our-constitution-can-handle-the-madness/

    They won’t seat Republicans. Remember when they flirted with halting the turn over before?

    Nancy Pelosi.

    Bryan –

    Great link, especially the actual Claremont wargame report itself. Was like reading a Tom Clancy novel in short form!

    How do you interpret this paragraph out of the Claremont wargame report?

    “Should the results be undetermined through Jan. 20, Inauguration Day, the Succession Act would suggest that the Speaker of the House would become President. Should the results be undetermined through Jan. 20, Inauguration Day, the Succession Act would suggest that the Speaker of the House would become acting President until one is determined and, if the House cannot decide, then elevating the Vice President, even if selected out of the Senate”

    The first sentence declares the Speaker of The House would become the US President. Period. Then in the second sentence it is stated that the Speaker of the House becomes the President until one is determined. Then it is stated if the House cannot decide, they will elevate the Vice President… Which Vice President? If they cannot decide which party won the Oval Office how could they decide on the VP?

    • #40
  11. Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Avenger Thatcher
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    CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker (View Comment):

    Bob Armstrong (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    They will just steal it.

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/19/we-gamed-out-the-2020-election-and-found-our-constitution-can-handle-the-madness/

    They won’t seat Republicans. Remember when they flirted with halting the turn over before?

    Nancy Pelosi.

    Bryan –

    Great link, especially the actual Claremont wargame report itself. Was like reading a Tom Clancy novel in short form!

    How do you interpret this paragraph out of the Claremont wargame report?

    “Should the results be undetermined through Jan. 20, Inauguration Day, the Succession Act would suggest that the Speaker of the House would become President. Should the results be undetermined through Jan. 20, Inauguration Day, the Succession Act would suggest that the Speaker of the House would become acting President until one is determined and, if the House cannot decide, then elevating the Vice President, even if selected out of the Senate”

    The first sentence declares the Speaker of The House would become the US President. Period. Then in the second sentence it is stated that the Speaker of the House becomes the President until one is determined. Then it is stated if the House cannot decide, they will elevate the Vice President… Which Vice President? If they cannot decide which party won the Oval Office how could they decide on the VP?

    Not sure,  but with Pelosi as Pres, it won’t matter much.

    • #41
  12. Sisyphus Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker (View Comment):

    Bob Armstrong (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    They will just steal it.

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/19/we-gamed-out-the-2020-election-and-found-our-constitution-can-handle-the-madness/

    They won’t seat Republicans. Remember when they flirted with halting the turn over before?

    Nancy Pelosi.

    Bryan –

    Great link, especially the actual Claremont wargame report itself. Was like reading a Tom Clancy novel in short form!

    How do you interpret this paragraph out of the Claremont wargame report?

    “Should the results be undetermined through Jan. 20, Inauguration Day, the Succession Act would suggest that the Speaker of the House would become President. Should the results be undetermined through Jan. 20, Inauguration Day, the Succession Act would suggest that the Speaker of the House would become acting President until one is determined and, if the House cannot decide, then elevating the Vice President, even if selected out of the Senate”

    The first sentence declares the Speaker of The House would become the US President. Period. Then in the second sentence it is stated that the Speaker of the House becomes the President until one is determined. Then it is stated if the House cannot decide, they will elevate the Vice President… Which Vice President? If they cannot decide which party won the Oval Office how could they decide on the VP?

    Not sure, but with Pelosi as Pres, it won’t matter much.

    The states have poll result certification deadlines and governors will meet them regardless of how corrupt the count and the courts will not delay the inauguration unless the sweet meteor of death takes the matter out of their hands. Judges will choose the appearance of order over the integrity of the election.

    • #42
  13. Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Avenger Thatcher
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    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    CarolJoy, Thread Hijacker (View Comment):

    Bob Armstrong (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

    They will just steal it.

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/19/we-gamed-out-the-2020-election-and-found-our-constitution-can-handle-the-madness/

    They won’t seat Republicans. Remember when they flirted with halting the turn over before?

    Nancy Pelosi.

    Bryan –

    Great link, especially the actual Claremont wargame report itself. Was like reading a Tom Clancy novel in short form!

    How do you interpret this paragraph out of the Claremont wargame report?

    “Should the results be undetermined through Jan. 20, Inauguration Day, the Succession Act would suggest that the Speaker of the House would become President. Should the results be undetermined through Jan. 20, Inauguration Day, the Succession Act would suggest that the Speaker of the House would become acting President until one is determined and, if the House cannot decide, then elevating the Vice President, even if selected out of the Senate”

    The first sentence declares the Speaker of The House would become the US President. Period. Then in the second sentence it is stated that the Speaker of the House becomes the President until one is determined. Then it is stated if the House cannot decide, they will elevate the Vice President… Which Vice President? If they cannot decide which party won the Oval Office how could they decide on the VP?

    Not sure, but with Pelosi as Pres, it won’t matter much.

    The states have poll result certification deadlines and governors will meet them regardless of how corrupt the count and the courts will not delay the inauguration unless the sweet meteor of death takes the matter out of their hands. Judges will choose the appearance of order over the integrity of the election.

    If the House refuses to certify, they have all the power.

    • #43
  14. Stad Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    People who only answer calls from numbers they know, are going to miss calls from hospitals where a relative has been admitted or possibly died…

    They’ll miss calls from people they know who had to use someone else’s phone for some reason…

    All kinds of important stuff.

    About the only calls I just ignore, are those where I can see that some scammer is pretending to use a number similar to mine, in the hopes that I’ll believe it’s someone in my area… I might still call them back, though, to verify that it was a spoof call. “We’re sorry, the number you are calling is not in service. Please check the number and try again.”

    That’s why we have voicemail.

    It’s a nice theory, but I know a lot of people who don’t check, and/or don’t delete old messages so then you get “The mail box is full. *click*”

    Actually some of the biggest time-wasters are the people who don’t listen to your message, they just call back to ask what you wanted.

    We check voicemail and delete the messages right after listening.  Most spammer, scammers, and robocalls hang up the moment they hear the recording.

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  15. Stad Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

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    kedavis (View Comment):

    People who only answer calls from numbers they know, are going to miss calls from hospitals where a relative has been admitted or possibly died…

    They’ll miss calls from people they know who had to use someone else’s phone for some reason…

    All kinds of important stuff.

    About the only calls I just ignore, are those where I can see that some scammer is pretending to use a number similar to mine, in the hopes that I’ll believe it’s someone in my area… I might still call them back, though, to verify that it was a spoof call. “We’re sorry, the number you are calling is not in service. Please check the number and try again.”

    That’s why we have voicemail.

    That’s what we do. If it’s a number we don’t recognize, we don’t answer and let it go to voicemail. If it’s a real call, they’ll leave a message. We’ve only had a few scammers or spammers actually leave a message. The only time it’s a problem is when we’re expecting a call from someone who’s not in our system yet.

    We have a set-up with Spectrum, and somehow they track spam calls so that when one of those numbers tries to call us, it only rings once and stops–I love it! After a while the spammers will try new numbers, but Spectrum catches up and nails them.

    We bought a gadget that came pre-programmed with known spam numbers.  It also has a big red button you can hit to enter whatever number calls into the system.  Works pretty well.

    • #45
  16. Stad Coolidge
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    People who only answer calls from numbers they know, are going to miss calls from hospitals where a relative has been admitted or possibly died…

    They’ll miss calls from people they know who had to use someone else’s phone for some reason…

    All kinds of important stuff.

    About the only calls I just ignore, are those where I can see that some scammer is pretending to use a number similar to mine, in the hopes that I’ll believe it’s someone in my area… I might still call them back, though, to verify that it was a spoof call. “We’re sorry, the number you are calling is not in service. Please check the number and try again.”

    That’s why we have voicemail.

    It’s a nice theory, but I know a lot of people who don’t check, and/or don’t delete old messages so then you get “The mail box is full. *click*”

    Easy enough to fix: generate a proper Caller ID.

    I would think the communications companies could come up with a way to prevent spoofing.

    • #46
  17. Headedwest Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    People who only answer calls from numbers they know, are going to miss calls from hospitals where a relative has been admitted or possibly died…

    They’ll miss calls from people they know who had to use someone else’s phone for some reason…

    All kinds of important stuff.

    About the only calls I just ignore, are those where I can see that some scammer is pretending to use a number similar to mine, in the hopes that I’ll believe it’s someone in my area… I might still call them back, though, to verify that it was a spoof call. “We’re sorry, the number you are calling is not in service. Please check the number and try again.”

    That’s why we have voicemail.

    It’s a nice theory, but I know a lot of people who don’t check, and/or don’t delete old messages so then you get “The mail box is full. *click*”

    Easy enough to fix: generate a proper Caller ID.

    How is your spouse or child or whatever, supposed to “generate a proper Caller ID” from someone else’s phone that they have to use to try and let you know that they crashed, or whatever?

    Voicemail. If I don’t answer the phone but there is a message I listen to it immediately.

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  18. Headedwest Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

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    Stad (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    People who only answer calls from numbers they know, are going to miss calls from hospitals where a relative has been admitted or possibly died…

    They’ll miss calls from people they know who had to use someone else’s phone for some reason…

    All kinds of important stuff.

    About the only calls I just ignore, are those where I can see that some scammer is pretending to use a number similar to mine, in the hopes that I’ll believe it’s someone in my area… I might still call them back, though, to verify that it was a spoof call. “We’re sorry, the number you are calling is not in service. Please check the number and try again.”

    That’s why we have voicemail.

    That’s what we do. If it’s a number we don’t recognize, we don’t answer and let it go to voicemail. If it’s a real call, they’ll leave a message. We’ve only had a few scammers or spammers actually leave a message. The only time it’s a problem is when we’re expecting a call from someone who’s not in our system yet.

    We have a set-up with Spectrum, and somehow they track spam calls so that when one of those numbers tries to call us, it only rings once and stops–I love it! After a while the spammers will try new numbers, but Spectrum catches up and nails them.

    We bought a gadget that came pre-programmed with known spam numbers. It also has a big red button you can hit to enter whatever number calls into the system. Works pretty well.

    We have one, too, but it is no longer useful because the spammers don’t use the same number twice. They just generate a new random 4-digit number at the end of a plausible area code and prefix.

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  19. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Headedwest (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    People who only answer calls from numbers they know, are going to miss calls from hospitals where a relative has been admitted or possibly died…

    They’ll miss calls from people they know who had to use someone else’s phone for some reason…

    All kinds of important stuff.

    About the only calls I just ignore, are those where I can see that some scammer is pretending to use a number similar to mine, in the hopes that I’ll believe it’s someone in my area… I might still call them back, though, to verify that it was a spoof call. “We’re sorry, the number you are calling is not in service. Please check the number and try again.”

    That’s why we have voicemail.

    That’s what we do. If it’s a number we don’t recognize, we don’t answer and let it go to voicemail. If it’s a real call, they’ll leave a message. We’ve only had a few scammers or spammers actually leave a message. The only time it’s a problem is when we’re expecting a call from someone who’s not in our system yet.

    We have a set-up with Spectrum, and somehow they track spam calls so that when one of those numbers tries to call us, it only rings once and stops–I love it! After a while the spammers will try new numbers, but Spectrum catches up and nails them.

    We bought a gadget that came pre-programmed with known spam numbers. It also has a big red button you can hit to enter whatever number calls into the system. Works pretty well.

    We have one, too, but it is no longer useful because the spammers don’t use the same number twice. They just generate a new random 4-digit number at the end of a plausible area code and prefix.

    We signed up with Nomorobo on Comcast, and now the spam calls just ring once, say “Incoming Call,” and then stop. For calls that get through the filter and we don’t recognize the name/number, the caller can just leave a message. Most don’t.

    • #49
  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    People who only answer calls from numbers they know, are going to miss calls from hospitals where a relative has been admitted or possibly died…

    They’ll miss calls from people they know who had to use someone else’s phone for some reason…

    All kinds of important stuff.

    About the only calls I just ignore, are those where I can see that some scammer is pretending to use a number similar to mine, in the hopes that I’ll believe it’s someone in my area… I might still call them back, though, to verify that it was a spoof call. “We’re sorry, the number you are calling is not in service. Please check the number and try again.”

    That’s why we have voicemail.

    It’s a nice theory, but I know a lot of people who don’t check, and/or don’t delete old messages so then you get “The mail box is full. *click*”

    Easy enough to fix: generate a proper Caller ID.

    I would think the communications companies could come up with a way to prevent spoofing.

    There’s been some work in that area recently, but I don’t know how far developed it is.

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  21. JustmeinAZ Member
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Headedwest (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Sisyphus (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    People who only answer calls from numbers they know, are going to miss calls from hospitals where a relative has been admitted or possibly died…

    They’ll miss calls from people they know who had to use someone else’s phone for some reason…

    All kinds of important stuff.

    About the only calls I just ignore, are those where I can see that some scammer is pretending to use a number similar to mine, in the hopes that I’ll believe it’s someone in my area… I might still call them back, though, to verify that it was a spoof call. “We’re sorry, the number you are calling is not in service. Please check the number and try again.”

    That’s why we have voicemail.

    It’s a nice theory, but I know a lot of people who don’t check, and/or don’t delete old messages so then you get “The mail box is full. *click*”

    Easy enough to fix: generate a proper Caller ID.

    I would think the communications companies could come up with a way to prevent spoofing.

    I’ve even bad “spoofed” calls from my own number. What would happen if I blocked it?

    • #51
  22. Stad Coolidge
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    JustmeinAZ (View Comment):
    I’ve even bad “spoofed” calls from my own number.

    My favorite is when Caller ID says it’s from “0-000-000-0000” . . . 

    • #52
  23. kedavis Coolidge
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    Stad (View Comment):

    JustmeinAZ (View Comment):
    I’ve even bad “spoofed” calls from my own number.

    My favorite is when Caller ID says it’s from “0-000-000-0000” . . .

    I get that sometimes when I’m being called back by animal control or police.

    • #53
  24. Stad Coolidge
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):

    JustmeinAZ (View Comment):
    I’ve even bad “spoofed” calls from my own number.

    My favorite is when Caller ID says it’s from “0-000-000-0000” . . .

    I get that sometimes when I’m being called back by animal control or police.

    Interesting . . .

    • #54
  25. kedavis Coolidge
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    They don’t want you knowing individual officers’ direct phone numbers.

    That also means that, even if they leave a message, you CAN’T call them back.  Unless they leave the direct number too, which they usually don’t.

    • #55
  26. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Stad (View Comment):
    That’s what we do. If it’s a number we don’t recognize, we don’t answer and let it go to voicemail. If it’s a real call, they’ll leave a message.

    Exactly.

    • #56
  27. JustmeinAZ Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):
    That’s what we do. If it’s a number we don’t recognize, we don’t answer and let it go to voicemail. If it’s a real call, they’ll leave a message.

    Exactly.

    True, but if I let it go to message I lose the ability to block the number manually. And they’ll just keep calling from the same number until I pick up and block it.

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  28. Headedwest Coolidge
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    JustmeinAZ (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):
    That’s what we do. If it’s a number we don’t recognize, we don’t answer and let it go to voicemail. If it’s a real call, they’ll leave a message.

    Exactly.

    True, but if I let it go to message I lose the ability to block the number manually. And they’ll just keep calling from the same number until I pick up and block it.

    None of the calls we have received in the last 9 months have come from the same number. The scammers calling you are not very sophisticated.

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  29. Annefy Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):
    That’s what we do. If it’s a number we don’t recognize, we don’t answer and let it go to voicemail. If it’s a real call, they’ll leave a message.

    Exactly.

    I can’t tell you how many times I have received a VM that goes something like this:

    Hi Annie. This doctor’s office/insurance company/bureaucracy. We’re returning your call about rescheduling/sorting out recent foul-up/whatever.  Sorry I missed you. 

    And that’s it. No name. No phone number. So you call back, and whomever answers the telephone has no idea what you’re talking about and it’s back to first base. The bigger the bureaucracy/office, the less likely to get return call information on the VM. 

    I was helping my daughter sort out an Obamacare nightmare and it went like this for days. Constant phone calls, then return phone calls with no info. Meanwhile I’m yelling at her – Answer Your D*** Phone!

    We finally got it sorted on a marathon two-hour phone call with a woman named Robin. Who was delightful and helpful. She was unable to provide her last name for security purposes. Regardless, she’s in my Rosary book and gets prayed for every Wednesday. By the time the call was over I was crying, my daughter was crying, and I think Robin shed a tear when I said we’d pray for her in gratitude.

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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Stad (View Comment):
    That’s what we do. If it’s a number we don’t recognize, we don’t answer and let it go to voicemail. If it’s a real call, they’ll leave a message.

    Exactly.

    I can’t tell you how many times I have received a VM that goes something like this:

    Hi Annie. This doctor’s office/insurance company/bureaucracy. We’re returning your call about rescheduling/sorting out recent foul-up/whatever. Sorry I missed you.

    And that’s it. No name. No phone number. So you call back, and whomever answers the telephone has no idea what you’re talking about and it’s back to first base. The bigger the bureaucracy/office, the less likely to get return call information on the VM.

    I was helping my daughter sort out an Obamacare nightmare and it went like this for days. Constant phone calls, then return phone calls with no info. Meanwhile I’m yelling at her – Answer Your D*** Phone!

    We finally got it sorted on a marathon two-hour phone call with a woman named Robin. Who was delightful and helpful. She was unable to provide her last name for security purposes. Regardless, she’s in my Rosary book and gets prayed for every Wednesday. By the time the call was over I was crying, my daughter was crying, and I think Robin shed a tear when I said we’d pray for her in gratitude.

    Especially in medical calls they have rules against leaving “too much” information in case someone else hears it and that means they’ve violated HIPAA.  At least technically, and that can be all that matters.  Indeed, just on the off chance that they got the wrong number, arguably they can’t leave ANY identifying information.

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