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1. Coolidge
   Flicker

   @Flicker

   1:05 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 14, 2020

   sawatdeeka (View Comment):

   Honestly, in reference to Gell-Mann, I started questioning perspectives on Ricochet on medicine and other specialized areas where I valued conservatives’ expertise once I’d seen a few discussions on education that seemed to be unhelpful and very emotion driven (i.e., referencing black helicopters in discussions of the Common Core). A frank exploration of the strengths and drawbacks of the Common Core, what it hoped to accomplish along with possible unintended consequences, would have had much more credibility with me, as I’d explored these issues in connection with my job. No need to bring helicopters into it at all.

   But i was under the impression that Common Core tried to teach — I don’t know the term for it, but I’ll call it — global reasoning in math to 2nd graders.  But 2nd graders aren’t capable of this, they are developmentally able to memorize.  Therefore CC was designed without regard to development ability.  Doesn’t this make for black helicopter conspiracy theorizing?

   Is any of this wrong?  Does CC attempt to teach theoretical math to 2nd graders.  Are 2nd graders capable of such conceptualizing?  If so, doesn’t this look like a deliberate sabotage of teaching?

2. Coolidge
   kedavis

   @kedavis

   1:17 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 14, 2020

   Flicker (View Comment):

   sawatdeeka (View Comment):

   Honestly, in reference to Gell-Mann, I started questioning perspectives on Ricochet on medicine and other specialized areas where I valued conservatives’ expertise once I’d seen a few discussions on education that seemed to be unhelpful and very emotion driven (i.e., referencing black helicopters in discussions of the Common Core). A frank exploration of the strengths and drawbacks of the Common Core, what it hoped to accomplish along with possible unintended consequences, would have had much more credibility with me, as I’d explored these issues in connection with my job. No need to bring helicopters into it at all.

   But i was under the impression that Common Core tried to teach — I don’t know the term for it, but I’ll call it — global reasoning in math to 2nd graders. But 2nd graders aren’t capable of this, they are developmentally able to memorize. Therefore CC was designed without regard to development ability. Doesn’t this make for black helicopter conspiracy theorizing?

   Is any of this wrong? Does CC attempt to teach theoretical math to 2nd graders. Are 2nd graders capable of such conceptualizing? If so, doesn’t this look like a deliberate sabotage of teaching?

   Well I wouldn’t try to convince anyone that teachers and especially education administrators and “experts” are particularly bright themselves, since I would certainly lose.  So rather than deliberate, I would call it ignorant or negligent.  But it still shouldn’t happen.

3. Member
   sawatdeeka

   @sawatdeeka

   

   3:56 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 14, 2020

   Flicker (View Comment):

   But i was under the impression that Common Core tried to teach — I don’t know the term for it, but I’ll call it — global reasoning in math to 2nd graders. But 2nd graders aren’t capable of this, they are developmentally able to memorize. Therefore CC was designed without regard to development ability. Doesn’t this make for black helicopter conspiracy theorizing?

   Is any of this wrong? Does CC attempt to teach theoretical math to 2nd graders. Are 2nd graders capable of such conceptualizing? If so, doesn’t this look like a deliberate sabotage of teaching?

   Flicker, I believe these standards were well intended. There is so much disagreement in the field about what kids should or should not be taught, and what approaches should be used. I can’t speak to the math standards, and I’ve heard some problems with them credibly explained. The English/Language Arts standards, on the other hand, were in many ways excellent. Here is my take on them. 

4. Coolidge
   kedavis

   @kedavis

   4:58 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 14, 2020

   sawatdeeka (View Comment):

   Flicker (View Comment):

   But i was under the impression that Common Core tried to teach — I don’t know the term for it, but I’ll call it — global reasoning in math to 2nd graders. But 2nd graders aren’t capable of this, they are developmentally able to memorize. Therefore CC was designed without regard to development ability. Doesn’t this make for black helicopter conspiracy theorizing?

   Is any of this wrong? Does CC attempt to teach theoretical math to 2nd graders. Are 2nd graders capable of such conceptualizing? If so, doesn’t this look like a deliberate sabotage of teaching?

   Flicker, I believe these standards were well intended. There is so much disagreement in the field about what kids should or should not be taught, and what approaches should be used. I can’t speak to the math standards, and I’ve heard some problems with them credibly explained. The English/Language Arts standards, on the other hand, were in many ways excellent. Here is my take on them.

   Government intervention/control often starts out with good intentions.

5. Member
   sawatdeeka

   @sawatdeeka

   

   5:53 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 14, 2020

   kedavis (View Comment):

   sawatdeeka (View Comment):

   Flicker (View Comment):

   But i was under the impression that Common Core tried to teach — I don’t know the term for it, but I’ll call it — global reasoning in math to 2nd graders. But 2nd graders aren’t capable of this, they are developmentally able to memorize. Therefore CC was designed without regard to development ability. Doesn’t this make for black helicopter conspiracy theorizing?

   Is any of this wrong? Does CC attempt to teach theoretical math to 2nd graders. Are 2nd graders capable of such conceptualizing? If so, doesn’t this look like a deliberate sabotage of teaching?

   Flicker, I believe these standards were well intended. There is so much disagreement in the field about what kids should or should not be taught, and what approaches should be used. I can’t speak to the math standards, and I’ve heard some problems with them credibly explained. The English/Language Arts standards, on the other hand, were in many ways excellent. Here is my take on them.

   Government intervention/control often starts out with good intentions.

   Yes, my Ricochet post on it acknowledges the principled objection. 

6. Member
   namlliT noD

   @DonTillman

   

   10:14 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 14, 2020

   I’ll note that this video has 1,445,781 views over 3-1/2 weeks.

7. Coolidge
   kedavis

   @kedavis

   10:22 PM EDT ⋅ Oct 14, 2020

   namlliT noD (View Comment):

   I’ll note that this video has 1,445,781 views over 3-1/2 weeks.

   I wonder how many are via ricochet?