Trump, Melania Test Positive for COVID-19

 

President Trump took to Twitter just before 1 a.m. ET to announce that both he and the First Lady tested positive for COVID-19.

Sean Conley, the Physician to the President, released the following statement:

I release the following information with the permission of President Donald J. Trump and First Lady Melania Trump.

This evening I received confirmation that both President Trump and First Lady Melania Trump have tested positive for the SARS-CoV-2 virus.

The President and the First Lady are both well at this time and they plan to remain at home within the White House during their convalescence.

The White House medical team and I will maintain a vigilant watch, and I appreciate the support provided by some of our country’s greatest medical professionals and institutions. Rest assured I expect the President to continue carrying out his duties without disruption while recovering, and I will keep you updated on any future developments.

Get well soon, President and First Lady!

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  1. OldPhil Coolidge
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    EHerring (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    Face-mask theater is so ridiculous.

    I get why they want to change peoples behavior in bars, but the facemask policy in Minnesota for restaurants is absurd.

    We wear them inside here but take them off while seated at the table.

    Dr. Fauci says the cooties don’t spread when you’re sitting down.

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  2. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    And, btw, South Dakota had a positivity rate of 25% last week (Sunday). Send more resources to SD. 

    How many are actually symptomatic? They never tell us.

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  3. Kozak Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    Face-mask theater is so ridiculous.

    I get why they want to change peoples behavior in bars, but the facemask policy in Minnesota for restaurants is absurd.

    We wear them inside here but take them off while seated at the table.

    Dr. Fauci says the cooties don’t spread when you’re sitting down.

    No the cooties only spread about 6 feet if you aren’t moving around. Thats why you can sit at a table, an appropriate distance from others and take off your mask. Or would you prefer they shut every bar and restaurant down again?

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  4. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    Face-mask theater is so ridiculous.

    I get why they want to change peoples behavior in bars, but the facemask policy in Minnesota for restaurants is absurd.

    We wear them inside here but take them off while seated at the table.

    Dr. Fauci says the cooties don’t spread when you’re sitting down.

    No the cooties only spread about 6 feet if you aren’t moving around. Thats why you can sit at a table, an appropriate distance from others and take off your mask. Or would you prefer they shut every bar and restaurant down again?

    So just “moving” spreads the cooties now, not only coughing, sneezing, or talking loudly. Wait, I can’t move at the table? This is getting more bizarre by the minute. Let’s all just dig a hole, jump in and pull in the dirt after ourselves.

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  5. RufusRJones Member
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    Good Lord do people actually think like this? I have never thought about who I would shame if COVID-19 was spreading around.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Man of Constant Sorrow Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Good Lord do people actually think like this? I have never thought about who I would shame if COVID-19 was spreading around.

    Harrison Bergeron. The healthy must make themselves appear ill . . . for equity!

     

     

     

     

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  7. RufusRJones Member
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    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Good Lord do people actually think like this? I have never thought about who I would shame if COVID-19 was spreading around.

    Harrison Bergeron. The healthy must make themselves appear ill . . . for equity!

     

    That thread strikes me as completely nuts, but I have to admit I have never thought about this.

     

     

     

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  8. Weeping Inactive
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    And, btw, South Dakota had a positivity rate of 25% last week (Sunday). Send more resources to SD.

    How many are actually symptomatic? They never tell us.

    Or are mildly symptomatic and don’t require hospitlization? The hospitalization numbers seem to be the most important numbers to me. That’s what concerned everyone to start with – the hopitalization numbers.

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  9. RufusRJones Member
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    Weeping (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    And, btw, South Dakota had a positivity rate of 25% last week (Sunday). Send more resources to SD.

    How many are actually symptomatic? They never tell us.

    Or are mildly symptomatic and don’t require hospitlization? The hospitalization numbers seem to be the most important numbers to me. That’s what concerned everyone to start with – the hopitalization numbers.

    One of our local Never Trumper’s says they keep that data secret there. I have no idea if that’s true. I think North Dakota is pushing their resources pretty hard.

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  10. The Reticulator Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    Face-mask theater is so ridiculous.

    I get why they want to change peoples behavior in bars, but the facemask policy in Minnesota for restaurants is absurd.

    We wear them inside here but take them off while seated at the table.

    Dr. Fauci says the cooties don’t spread when you’re sitting down.

    No the cooties only spread about 6 feet if you aren’t moving around. Thats why you can sit at a table, an appropriate distance from others and take off your mask. Or would you prefer they shut every bar and restaurant down again?

    So just “moving” spreads the cooties now, not only coughing, sneezing, or talking loudly. Wait, I can’t move at the table? This is getting more bizarre by the minute. Let’s all just dig a hole, jump in and pull in the dirt after ourselves.

    That sounds like an extreme reaction. Aren’t there any other alternatives? 

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  11. Bob Thompson Member
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    Weeping (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    And, btw, South Dakota had a positivity rate of 25% last week (Sunday). Send more resources to SD.

    How many are actually symptomatic? They never tell us.

    Or are mildly symptomatic and don’t require hospitlization? The hospitalization numbers seem to be the most important numbers to me. That’s what concerned everyone to start with – the hopitalization numbers.

    My recall is that in the March and April timeframe when hospital medical professionals would first encounter a case it was likely already at an advanced stage. This may even still be the case for hospitalizations, except for the President it is the opposite. His current point might be very early compared to what the hospital staff has been seeing. That creates uncertainty regarding where his case might go. 

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  12. RufusRJones Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    And, btw, South Dakota had a positivity rate of 25% last week (Sunday). Send more resources to SD.

    How many are actually symptomatic? They never tell us.

    Or are mildly symptomatic and don’t require hospitlization? The hospitalization numbers seem to be the most important numbers to me. That’s what concerned everyone to start with – the hopitalization numbers.

    My recall is that in the March and April timeframe when hospital medical professionals would first encounter a case it was likely already at an advanced stage. This may even still be the case for hospitalizations, except for the President it is the opposite. His current point might be very early compared to what the hospital staff has been seeing. That creates uncertainty regarding where his case might go.

    I think the point is, hospitalizations are more dependable data to tell you what is happening generally. It’s very tricky to do that with straight testing. 

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  13. Kozak Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    Face-mask theater is so ridiculous.

    I get why they want to change peoples behavior in bars, but the facemask policy in Minnesota for restaurants is absurd.

    We wear them inside here but take them off while seated at the table.

    Dr. Fauci says the cooties don’t spread when you’re sitting down.

    No the cooties only spread about 6 feet if you aren’t moving around. Thats why you can sit at a table, an appropriate distance from others and take off your mask. Or would you prefer they shut every bar and restaurant down again?

    So just “moving” spreads the cooties now, not only coughing, sneezing, or talking loudly. Wait, I can’t move at the table? This is getting more bizarre by the minute. Let’s all just dig a hole, jump in and pull in the dirt after ourselves.

    No moving around inside a restaurant you are doing this thing called “breathing“.  So if you sit at your table breathing the cooties don’t spread as far as when you walking around breathing.  Thats why you wear the mask when you leave your table.

     

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  14. Weeping Inactive
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    And, btw, South Dakota had a positivity rate of 25% last week (Sunday). Send more resources to SD.

    How many are actually symptomatic? They never tell us.

    Or are mildly symptomatic and don’t require hospitlization? The hospitalization numbers seem to be the most important numbers to me. That’s what concerned everyone to start with – the hopitalization numbers.

    My recall is that in the March and April timeframe when hospital medical professionals would first encounter a case it was likely already at an advanced stage. This may even still be the case for hospitalizations, except for the President it is the opposite. His current point might be very early compared to what the hospital staff has been seeing. That creates uncertainty regarding where his case might go.

    I think the point is, hospitalizations are more dependable data to tell you what is happening generally. It’s very tricky to do that with straight testing.

    Exactly. It’s really not a big deal if someone tests positive and is either asymptomatic or has a mild case and is never hospitalized. The problem occurs when the hospitals can’t handle the number of cases that enter their doors. 

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  15. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Weeping (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    And, btw, South Dakota had a positivity rate of 25% last week (Sunday). Send more resources to SD.

    How many are actually symptomatic? They never tell us.

    Or are mildly symptomatic and don’t require hospitlization? The hospitalization numbers seem to be the most important numbers to me. That’s what concerned everyone to start with – the hopitalization numbers.

    I think the only thing a 25% positivity rate tells us is they’re not testing enough in South Dakota and are probably missing a lot of positive cases that might contribute to spreading the virus. It doesn’t tell us if they’re due for scarce hospital resources (depends on what’s available and the population density (or scarcity) they’re testing), the mortality rate, etc. . .

     

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  16. Flicker Coolidge
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    philo (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment): …The context of this fragment of what he said is that Trump had immediately and rightly said that he specifically condemns the KKK and nazis. Virtually in the same breath he says that there are also fine people on both sides, referring to those who want to either preserve the statue in Charlottesville for cultural and historical reasons and people who want to have it removed because they find it to be socially offensive.

    Will you condemn this slur that deliberately and falsely implies that Trump was condoning racism? And will you retract this slur and admit that you wrote it to falsely impugn and malign Trump? And will you apologize for promoting such a slur on this site to those who read it?

    It matters — because slurs — and honesty — matter.

    See comment #142 here about the Charlottesville Hoax:

    “…I resolved to not post on that issue in the future…” – Gary Robbins, May 1 2019

    Clearly he didn’t mean it. (In fact, he is really kind of wedded to the narrative.)

    But you are asking for honesty and intellectual consistency from someone who simply is not either…and demonstrably so throughout the pages of Ricochet. Even while making his above “resolution,” he admitted that he has reviewed the evidence but, apparently because he detected Racist Trump in another interview, Gary was going to ignore the actual words Trump used in the Charlottesville interview and deemed him “still not innocent” in this case. Lawyerly my arse.

    In fact, this whole theme he seems to be pushing in this thread about “I think like a lawyer” and “I present my arguments like a lawyer” really is laughable to anyone who has been soiled by his presence for way too many years. From his mindless repetition of MSNBC talking points (and habitual disengagement from direct challenges to his already discredited material) to his shallow analyses littered with bubblegum logic (i.e. “Since the passage of the 22nd Amendment…) to his love letters to Adam Schiff during impeachment (“House Manager Adam Schiff spoke with easy fluency in a two hour and twenty minute opening statement. He clearly had mastered his materials; it was a virtuoso performance“), the character he plays on Ricochet is far from the charade he is putting on today. For his own good, he probably needs to get back on his meds.

    I hesitated to ‘like’ your post because of the last sentence which I generally find to be a mocking, but upon reading your links and reviewing your post, I think you’re quite right in your actual criticisms.

    He did say that he would no longer employ the Charlottesville slur and he sure did go back to throwing it up into the mix of irrational slanders.

    Everyone’s entitled to change his mind, but I think you’ve hit the nature of his chronic misrepresentations and parsing head on.

    • #406
  17. Bob Thompson Member
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    And, btw, South Dakota had a positivity rate of 25% last week (Sunday). Send more resources to SD.

    How many are actually symptomatic? They never tell us.

    Or are mildly symptomatic and don’t require hospitlization? The hospitalization numbers seem to be the most important numbers to me. That’s what concerned everyone to start with – the hopitalization numbers.

    I think the only thing a 25% positivity rate tells us is they’re not testing enough in South Dakota and are probably missing a lot of positive cases that might contribute to spreading the virus. It doesn’t tell us if they’re due for scarce hospital resources (depends on what’s available and the population density (or scarcity) they’re testing), the mortality rate, etc. . .

     

    Maybe South Dakotans only show up to get tested if they think they have symptoms of the virus so they get a high positive rate . Nobody knows because there is no control parameter on that process. People behave differently in different parts of this country, surprise!

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  18. EDISONPARKS Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment): …The context of this fragment of what he said is that Trump had immediately and rightly said that he specifically condemns the KKK and nazis. Virtually in the same breath he says that there are also fine people on both sides, referring to those who want to either preserve the statue in Charlottesville for cultural and historical reasons and people who want to have it removed because they find it to be socially offensive.

    Will you condemn this slur that deliberately and falsely implies that Trump was condoning racism? And will you retract this slur and admit that you wrote it to falsely impugn and malign Trump? And will you apologize for promoting such a slur on this site to those who read it?

    It matters — because slurs — and honesty — matter.

    See comment #142 here about the Charlottesville Hoax:

    “…I resolved to not post on that issue in the future…” – Gary Robbins, May 1 2019

    Clearly he didn’t mean it. (In fact, he is really kind of wedded to the narrative.)

    But you are asking for honesty and intellectual consistency from someone who simply is not either…and demonstrably so throughout the pages of Ricochet. Even while making his above “resolution,” he admitted that he has reviewed the evidence but, apparently because he detected Racist Trump in another interview, Gary was going to ignore the actual words Trump used in the Charlottesville interview and deemed him “still not innocent” in this case. Lawyerly my arse.

    In fact, this whole theme he seems to be pushing in this thread about “I think like a lawyer” and “I present my arguments like a lawyer” really is laughable to anyone who has been soiled by his presence for way too many years. From his mindless repetition of MSNBC talking points (and habitual disengagement from direct challenges to his already discredited material) to his shallow analyses littered with bubblegum logic (i.e. “Since the passage of the 22nd Amendment…) to his love letters to Adam Schiff during impeachment (“House Manager Adam Schiff spoke with easy fluency in a two hour and twenty minute opening statement. He clearly had mastered his materials; it was a virtuoso performance“), the character he plays on Ricochet is far from the charade he is putting on today. For his own good, he probably needs to get back on his meds.

    I hesitated to ‘like’ your post because of the last sentence which I generally find to be a mocking, but upon reading your links and reviewing your post, I think you’re quite right in your actual criticisms.

    He did say that he would no longer employ the Charlottesville slur and he sure did go back to throwing it up into the mix of irrational slanders.

    Everyone’s entitled to change his mind, but I think you’ve hit the nature of his chronic misrepresentations and parsing head on.

    Most all of the NT embracing the entire Trump/Russia Collusion nonsense well into the growing, then overwhelming evidence of the monumental Obama era FBI/DOJ/IC corruption is what makes me spit on the ground whenever an NT pretends to be a serious person.

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  19. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    Weeping (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    BTW, haven’t seen in TV anchors or reporters wearing masks while they work indoors, other than press conference show theater.

    I’ve seen some remarkable face-mask theater from reporters doing stand-ups outside. By themselves. With nobody within 50 yards of them.

    Face-mask theater is so ridiculous. Wear one when you need to. Take it off when you don’t. Keeping it on when you don’t need to, to show that you’re a good citizen is just . . . narcissism.

    Cloth earrings.

    I always wonder why someone would wear it like that. It looks so strange. Just go ahead and take it off completely for the moment and then put it back on. It would bug me to no end to have it hanging off my ear like that.

    Because we are legally wearing the mask.

    • #409
  20. kedavis Coolidge
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    Bryan G. Stephens, Trump Aveng… (View Comment):

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    The overwhelming majority of members of the Republican Party are not racists.

    Neither are the Proud Boys, that doesn’t stop you from labeling them as such. And Qanon condemnation from a Charlottesville hoaxer rings hollow.

    This comes from the last or almost last person who uses a confederate flag as part of his avatar. Mississippi just changed their flag. South Carolina took down the confederate flag from the flagpole at their capital.

    Are you now standing up for Q-Anon? I have not met anyone at Ricochet who claims to do so. [Ed. Note: According to NPR, the U.S. House of Representatives just denounced Q-Anon by a 371-18 vote.]

    And of course, you respond with anti-Southern bigotry and oblique accusations of racism toward someone on the basis of a progressive narrative. Much like you previously kept insisting that it was Southerners who were responsible for ‘inflicting’ the ‘racist’ Trump on the Republican party, despite being told again and again that he received more support from non-Southern states throughout the primary. Just as you are now slandering thousands of innocent people as racist who belong to an organization that is led by a black Cuban, because you are filled with the same irrational animosity and prejudices that afflict your Democrat allies. As for Qanon, they are relatively harmless conspiracy theorists compared to the domestic terrorists and Orwellian racists who effectively dominate the Democrat party.

     

     

    So tempting to change my avatar.

    Maybe this is more acceptable to Gary.

     

    Good job there, summoning the demon Asmodeus!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LimAIJAzo1U&t=5787

    (P.S. it’s well worth watching the whole movie, it’s pretty good.  Seems it was intended to be the pilot for another series, created by Gene “Star Trek” Roddenberry.)

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  21. EHerring Coolidge
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Man of Consta… (View Comment):

    EHerring (View Comment):
    BTW, haven’t seen in TV anchors or reporters wearing masks while they work indoors, other than press conference show theater.

    I’ve seen some remarkable face-mask theater from reporters doing stand-ups outside. By themselves. With nobody within 50 yards of them.

    Face-mask theater is so ridiculous. Wear one when you need to. Take it off when you don’t. Keeping it on when you don’t need to, to show that you’re a good citizen is just . . . narcissism.

    Cloth earrings.

    I always wonder why someone would wear it like that. It looks so strange. Just go ahead and take it off completely for the moment and then put it back on. It would bug me to no end to have it hanging off my ear like that.

    I think of it as a grandpa thing.

    If grandpa Biden or Roberts actually set down their mask someplace, history has proven they will lose it for sure, so they leave the mask dangling from their ear.

    Sort of like mitten clips for old men.

    He takes it off to ask a question but expects Trump to wear one when Trump is constantly answering questions. 

    • #411
  22. kedavis Coolidge
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    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    The WHO actually recommends a testing rate that produces 5% positivity or less

    You know what testing rate gives you a positivity rate of 5% or less?

    0% testing.

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    And, btw, South Dakota had a positivity rate of 25% last week (Sunday). Send more resources to SD.

    How many are actually symptomatic? They never tell us.

    Or are mildly symptomatic and don’t require hospitlization? The hospitalization numbers seem to be the most important numbers to me. That’s what concerned everyone to start with – the hopitalization numbers.

    One of our local Never Trumper’s says they keep that data secret there. I have no idea if that’s true. I think North Dakota is pushing their resources pretty hard.

    Which one?

    • #413
  24. RufusRJones Member
    RufusRJones
    @RufusRJones

    Just reporting:

    The only meaningful statistics show the incidence of serious illness, hospitalizations, and deaths. The single most important statistic among these is the infection fatality rate (IFR). Data collected through July shows that the IFR for those under age forty-five is actually lower than that of the common flu. The covid-19 IFR rises for those over fifty, but it is hardly a death sentence. And the data does not segregate those with preexisting health issues caused by obesity, diabetes, and heart disease. If we could see data only for reasonably healthy people under fifty, the numbers would be even more reassuring. 

    The Absurdity of Covid “Cases” | Mises Wire

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  25. Gary Robbins Member
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    Flicker (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment): …The context of this fragment of what he said is that Trump had immediately and rightly said that he specifically condemns the KKK and nazis. Virtually in the same breath he says that there are also fine people on both sides, referring to those who want to either preserve the statue in Charlottesville for cultural and historical reasons and people who want to have it removed because they find it to be socially offensive.

    Will you condemn this slur that deliberately and falsely implies that Trump was condoning racism? And will you retract this slur and admit that you wrote it to falsely impugn and malign Trump? And will you apologize for promoting such a slur on this site to those who read it?

    It matters — because slurs — and honesty — matter.

    See comment #142 here about the Charlottesville Hoax:

    “…I resolved to not post on that issue in the future…” – Gary Robbins, May 1 2019

    Clearly he didn’t mean it. (In fact, he is really kind of wedded to the narrative.)

    But you are asking for honesty and intellectual consistency from someone who simply is not either…and demonstrably so throughout the pages of Ricochet. Even while making his above “resolution,” he admitted that he has reviewed the evidence but, apparently because he detected Racist Trump in another interview, Gary was going to ignore the actual words Trump used in the Charlottesville interview and deemed him “still not innocent” in this case. Lawyerly my arse.

    In fact, this whole theme he seems to be pushing in this thread about “I think like a lawyer” and “I present my arguments like a lawyer” really is laughable to anyone who has been soiled by his presence for way too many years. From his mindless repetition of MSNBC talking points (and habitual disengagement from direct challenges to his already discredited material) to his shallow analyses littered with bubblegum logic (i.e. “Since the passage of the 22nd Amendment…) to his love letters to Adam Schiff during impeachment (“House Manager Adam Schiff spoke with easy fluency in a two hour and twenty minute opening statement. He clearly had mastered his materials; it was a virtuoso performance“), the character he plays on Ricochet is far from the charade he is putting on today. For his own good, he probably needs to get back on his meds.

    I hesitated to ‘like’ your post because of the last sentence which I generally find to be a mocking, but upon reading your links and reviewing your post, I think you’re quite right in your actual criticisms.

    He did say that he would no longer employ the Charlottesville slur and he sure did go back to throwing it up into the mix of irrational slanders.

    Everyone’s entitled to change his mind, but I think you’ve hit the nature of his chronic misrepresentations and parsing head on.

    I think that it is more accurate to say that Biden has misused the “both sides” quote, and that I have slipped into that on rare occasion.  It is also accurate to say that Trump’s behavior during Charlottesville falls far belong what I would ever expect any President, Republican or Democrat.  So when I invoke Charlottesville I am invoking the wide spread of Trump’s clearly lacking behavior over three days, but not the “both sides” statement per se.  I hope that that clears this up.

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  26. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    And, btw, South Dakota had a positivity rate of 25% last week (Sunday). Send more resources to SD.

    How many are actually symptomatic? They never tell us.

    Or are mildly symptomatic and don’t require hospitlization? The hospitalization numbers seem to be the most important numbers to me. That’s what concerned everyone to start with – the hopitalization numbers.

    One of our local Never Trumper’s says they keep that data secret there. I have no idea if that’s true. I think North Dakota is pushing their resources pretty hard.

    Which one?

    I’m talking about Minnesota. They hate Kristie Noem. 

    The one I’m talking about specifically, is a social justice oriented “Republican”. They love lockdowns, cases, and positivity rates. It’s pathetic.

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  27. Gary Robbins Member
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    philo (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment): …The context of this fragment of what he said is that Trump had immediately and rightly said that he specifically condemns the KKK and nazis. Virtually in the same breath he says that there are also fine people on both sides, referring to those who want to either preserve the statue in Charlottesville for cultural and historical reasons and people who want to have it removed because they find it to be socially offensive.

    Will you condemn this slur that deliberately and falsely implies that Trump was condoning racism? And will you retract this slur and admit that you wrote it to falsely impugn and malign Trump? And will you apologize for promoting such a slur on this site to those who read it?

    It matters — because slurs — and honesty — matter.

    See comment #142 here about the Charlottesville Hoax:

    “…I resolved to not post on that issue in the future…” – Gary Robbins, May 1 2019

    Clearly he didn’t mean it. (In fact, he is really kind of wedded to the narrative.)

    But you are asking for honesty and intellectual consistency from someone who simply is not either…and demonstrably so throughout the pages of Ricochet. Even while making his above “resolution,” he admitted that he has reviewed the evidence but, apparently because he detected Racist Trump in another interview, Gary was going to ignore the actual words Trump used in the Charlottesville interview and deemed him “still not innocent” in this case. Lawyerly my arse.

    In fact, this whole theme he seems to be pushing in this thread about “I think like a lawyer” and “I present my arguments like a lawyer” really is laughable to anyone who has been soiled by his presence for way too many years. From his mindless repetition of MSNBC talking points (and habitual disengagement from direct challenges to his already discredited material) to his shallow analyses littered with bubblegum logic (i.e. “Since the passage of the 22nd Amendment…) to his love letters to Adam Schiff during impeachment (“House Manager Adam Schiff spoke with easy fluency in a two hour and twenty minute opening statement. He clearly had mastered his materials; it was a virtuoso performance“), the character he plays on Ricochet is far from the charade he is putting on today. For his own good, he probably needs to get back on his meds.

    I hesitated to ‘like’ your post because of the last sentence which I generally find to be a mocking, but upon reading your links and reviewing your post, I think you’re quite right in your actual criticisms.

    He did say that he would no longer employ the Charlottesville slur and he sure did go back to throwing it up into the mix of irrational slanders.

    Everyone’s entitled to change his mind, but I think you’ve hit the nature of his chronic misrepresentations and parsing head on.

    Most all of the NT embracing the entire Trump/Russia Collusion nonsense well into the growing, then overwhelming evidence of the monumental Obama era FBI/DOJ/IC corruption is what makes me spit on the ground whenever an NT pretends to be a serious person.

    This NeverTrumper believes that there has never been a full accounting for Trump’s July 25, 2019 bribery of Ukraine’s President.  

    I am looking forward to the complete results of the Durham investigation, but I am not spending a lot of attention on it.

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  28. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Trump’s behavior during Charlottesville falls far belong what I would ever expect any President, Republican or Democrat.

    Gary, Trump lacks experience talking under civic pressure and he’s never had to think about this stuff before. This is why I was totally against him. He is netting out. He has brought fresh eyes to a ton of issues and it’s totally worth it. The Middle East is on auto pilot. Do you want me to list any more? 

    Two out of four bad things I predicted about him were totally right, but it’s netting out. One of them was foreign policy. It’s been all upside.

    Can you imagine what would happen if the freaking deep state would have just let him govern like a normal president?

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  29. Gary Robbins Member
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    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    RufusRJones (View Comment):

    Weeping (View Comment):

    OldPhil (View Comment):

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):
    And, btw, South Dakota had a positivity rate of 25% last week (Sunday). Send more resources to SD.

    How many are actually symptomatic? They never tell us.

    Or are mildly symptomatic and don’t require hospitlization? The hospitalization numbers seem to be the most important numbers to me. That’s what concerned everyone to start with – the hopitalization numbers.

    One of our local Never Trumper’s says they keep that data secret there. I have no idea if that’s true. I think North Dakota is pushing their resources pretty hard.

    Which one?

    I’m talking about Minnesota. They hate Kristie Noem.

    The one I’m talking about specifically, is a social justice oriented “Republican”. They love lockdowns, cases, and positivity rates. It’s pathetic.

    I other words, not me.  Thank you.

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  30. RufusRJones Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I am looking forward to the complete results of the Durham investigation, but I am not spending a lot of attention on it.

    I will never forget how much you fell for all the Russia crap as if Putin had actual leverage over him. It’s insane.

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