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  1. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
    DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Re: Mitt marching with evangelicals . . .

    I’m seeing a lot of evangelicals getting rolled recently. I sent an e-mail to one evangelical ministry yesterday because I was alarmed at their adoption of leftist language. Specifically the language of “White Privilege” and all the guilt that goes along with it.

    Someone from that ministry wrote me back got all snarky with me, insulted me and told me off. I was shocked. I responded that I hoped their self-righteousness would help them sleep at night.

    Young evangelicals in particular seem easily swayed by leftist ideology. I am very alarmed.

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
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    DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… (View Comment):
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    Black Lives Do Matter.  I don’t go along with their myriad political goals, but I go along with the statement that Black Lives Matter, and I see no justification for a police officer to put his knee on the neck of a handcuffed prisoner for over 8 minutes.  Do you?

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  3. Gary Robbins Member
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    DrewInWisconsin Doesn't C… (View Comment):

    Re: Mitt marching with evangelicals . . .

    I’m seeing a lot of evangelicals getting rolled recently. I sent an e-mail to one evangelical ministry yesterday because I was alarmed at their adoption of leftist language. Specifically the language of “White Privilege” and all the guilt that goes along with it.

    Someone from that ministry wrote me back got all snarky with me, insulted me and told me off. I was shocked. I responded that I hoped their self-righteousness would help them sleep at night.

    Young evangelicals in particular seem easily swayed by leftist ideology. I am very alarmed.

    Will you agree with me that black lives matter? 

    Will you agree with me that there is no apparent justification for a police officer to put his knee on the neck of a hand-cuffed prisoner?  

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  4. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    George W. Bush meeting with the Obama girls after the 50th anniversary of the 1965 Selma march.

    Backstage, former President Bush talks with Sasha and Malia Obama and Marian Robinson. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

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  5. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    George W. Bush on the stage with Obama.

    Former President George W. Bush and former First Lady Laura Bush participated in the program. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

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  6. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Many Republicans are now realizing that they are threatened with being swamped by their association.  From RawStory quoting from the Daily Beast (consider the sources):

    “In a column for the Daily Beast, conservative commentator Matt Lewis said there are indications that more than a few GOP lawmakers will turn their backs on Donald Trump as it becomes clearer that he will go down in a major defeat in November.

    “According to Lewis, who abandoned the Republican Party specifically because it became the party of Trump, the president is stumbling into the November election and running scared.

    “‘“Donald Trump is scared,’ he began. ‘He has beaten, dominated, and bludgeoned the Republican Party into positions that would make a drunken riot cop blush with shame. But now that Trump may lose in a landslide, his captives and quislings are plotting their escape.’

    “As Lewis notes, the tipping point for conservatives and Republicans to seriously consider turning on the president was brought about by comments made by retired General James Mattis in the past week.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/gop-lawmakers-plotting-escape-from-trump-over-possibility-hell-lose-election-in-a-landslide-conservative/?fbclid=IwAR3T6Y5hGFIyR19POldfxDhh0DipQPOTXI2x1oyMl1R30QUKsGoXgCHEK5c quoting from https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-trump-ship-is-sinking-fast-but-how-many-rats-will-really-jump?ref=home

     

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  7. Gary Robbins Member
    Gary Robbins
    @GaryRobbins

    Speaking of Republican Presidents, here is a great article from the Chicago Tribune on Ike, our 34th President.  The final paragraphs:

    “Ike was beyond corruption. No Watergate. No sex scandals. No you-can-keep-your-insurance lies.

    “Ike was a simple man from the Midwest who knew his duty to the nation. First he had to make sure it survived, then make sure it thrived.

    “Americans who lived through that time often joked that nothing happened during the presidency of the amiable Eisenhower. It seemed that way, especially during the decades of trauma that followed his presidency.

    “Maybe that was the point.”

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/ct-evr-column-blaser-dwight-eisenhower-tl-0606-story.html?fbclid=IwAR0NDbsO1VlMfJKuzXLuh7Vd9TZLP1AnbvVTQjb_tflNwlW6AWUOmdH53Io

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  8. Steve C. Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    “‘“Donald Trump is scared,’ he began. ‘He has beaten, dominated, and bludgeoned the Republican Party into positions that would make a drunken riot cop blush with shame. But now that Trump may lose in a landslide, his captives and quislings are plotting their escape.’

     

    I see no evidence the President is “scared”. But then, just like Matt Lewis, that’s an opinion. Or is his a hope? Quislings is an interesting turn of phrase. I’m surprised a veteran political writer would misuse it. You see Quisling is shorthand for traitor. I can betray my country and be a traitor. But I can’t be a traitor to the precepts someone alleges to be the gospel of a political party.

    Course, that’s just me.

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  9. Richard Easton Coolidge
    Richard Easton
    @RichardEaston

    Of course W feels comfortable with the Obamas. The Bush family talked about rapist Bill Clint as their adopted brother. When you’re at that level, the Juanita Broaddricks of this world don’t count. I asked Ms. Broaderrick about this and she was very disappointed with them. And loyal staffers like Scooter Libby can be left to fry. Note that Bush has never criticized the Obamas for anything. The lies about ObamaCare don’t appear to have concerned him. Nor has he spoken out against the spying of the Obama Administration on the Trump campaign, opponents of the Iran deal, and investigative reporters such as Sharyl Attkisson. He’s been a disgraceful former president.

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  10. philo Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment): Will you agree with me that black lives matter? 

    For those keeping score at home, this is very telling as to who and what he is. You’re welcome. 

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  11. TBA Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Black Lives Do Matter. I don’t go along with their myriad political goals, but I go along with the statement that Black Lives Matter, and I see no justification for a police officer to put his knee on the neck of a handcuffed prisoner for over 8 minutes. Do you?

    Does anybody other than that officer? 

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  12. Mim526 Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Mim526 (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1269758561720156160Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    Your man Romney is marching with the Democrats and black supremacists in the BLM rally right now.

    To my comments about Black Lives Matter (BLM) in #79 above, I add this observation from a former US attorney of 20+ years. Can substitute BLM for Antifa; their aims are interchangeable in this case.

    Antifa doesn’t care about George Floyd. Antifa is opportunistic – it looks for situations it can exploit for its own purposes. It exists to turn communities in on themselves in an effort to promote civil unrest, and undermine local, state, and federal governments.

    THIS IS NOT MLK MARCHING IN SELMA as Mitt Romney apparently would have us believe:

    Thank you for the picture of George Romney marching in Selma. When the 1965 Selma March was re-created 50 years later, George W. Bush was there marching. Good for them. It was the Republican Party that broke the Southern filibuster over the 1964 Civil Rights Act, by voting for it in a greater percentage than the Democratic Party.

    It is offensive for anyone to equate the legitimate struggles of 1960s Civil Rights with BLM, Antifa, etc. of today.  Romney specifically stated Black Lives Matter in his tweet.  He knows exactly what he is doing, and I believe you do as well.  I described in comment #80 the type of things a real conservative would be doing instead of virtue signalling to organizations whose goal is to bring down American institutions.

    I do not understand how anyone who has seen the suffering these people caused, knows what their agenda is and the danger they represent to a democratic Republic, been shown here and in other posts the mendacious media coverage surrounding President Trump’s actions in response to the rioting, still maintains that “Trumpism must be excised from the body politic.”  I don’t know what all you mean by Trumpism, but there is nothing that Donald Trump has said or done that equates to anything near the danger this country faces from BLM, Antifa, and the Democrat agenda which includes items like defunding/abolishing police leaving Americans to fend for themselves.  Anarchy in the streets, Gary.

    Re: GOP brand toxicity, I imagine a good number of Americans will recall the lawless rioting perpetuated by BLM, Antifa, etc. protesters, and give thanks for someone willing to protect life and property if their states won’t.

    I’m done with this thread.  #unfollow.

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  13. Mim526 Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Mim526 (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1269758561720156160Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    Your man Romney is marching with the Democrats and black supremacists in the BLM rally right now.

    To my comments about Black Lives Matter (BLM) in #79 above, I add this observation from a former US attorney of 20+ years. Can substitute BLM for Antifa; their aims are interchangeable in this case.

    Antifa doesn’t care about George Floyd. Antifa is opportunistic – it looks for situations it can exploit for its own purposes. It exists to turn communities in on themselves in an effort to promote civil unrest, and undermine local, state, and federal governments.

    THIS IS NOT MLK MARCHING IN SELMA as Mitt Romney apparently would have us believe:

    Thank you for the picture of George Romney marching in Selma. When the 1965 Selma March was re-created 50 years later, George W. Bush was there marching. Good for them. It was the Republican Party that broke the Southern filibuster over the 1964 Civil Rights Act, by voting for it in a greater percentage than the Democratic Party.

    Duplicate comment.

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  14. namlliT noD Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1269758561720156160Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    Your man Romney is marching with the Democrats and black supremacists in the BLM rally right now.

    And good for him. Actually, if you had done a bit of research, you would find that this march was not sponsored by Black Lives Matter.

    The sponsorship is irrelevant.   Mittens is marching with a racist fascist organization responsible for a lot of violence.

    Let’s make this point perfectly clear, there was no justification for a police officer to put his knee on George Floyd’s neck for over 8 minutes. I would hope that we would have common ground on that issue.

    Nobody thinks it’s a good thing when a suspect dies in police custody.  Nobody.  I repeat; nobody.

    So BLM and Antifa took a situation where everybody is in agreement… Got that?  A situation where everybody is in agreement, and turned it into rioting, looting, fire, destruction, and I don’t know how many hospitalizations and deaths, in multiple major cities simultaneously.

    As far as “justification” — if only we had a, oh, I dunno, a judicial system of some sort, to handle that kind of thing.

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  15. Annefy Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Black Lives Do Matter. I don’t go along with their myriad political goals, but I go along with the statement that Black Lives Matter, and I see no justification for a police officer to put his knee on the neck of a handcuffed prisoner for over 8 minutes. Do you?

    There is no one that disagrees with the above. No one. I repeat. No one.

    As I’ve been saying for days, when everyone agrees with you, what in the name of God is being protested? Or: Take the win, for God’s sake.

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  16. Instugator Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    Let’s make this point perfectly clear, there was no justification for a police officer to put his knee on George Floyd’s neck for over 8 minutes. I would hope that we would have common ground on that issue.

    Also no need to burn down large sections of American cities in response.

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  17. Instugator Thatcher
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Speaking of Republican Presidents, here is a great article from the Chicago Tribune on Ike, our 34th President. The final paragraphs:

    “Ike was beyond corruption. No Watergate. No sex scandals. No you-can-keep-your-insurance lies.

    “Ike was a simple man from the Midwest who knew his duty to the nation. First he had to make sure it survived, then make sure it thrived.

    “Americans who lived through that time often joked that nothing happened during the presidency of the amiable Eisenhower. It seemed that way, especially during the decades of trauma that followed his presidency.

    “Maybe that was the point.”

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/ct-evr-column-blaser-dwight-eisenhower-tl-0606-story.html?fbclid=IwAR0NDbsO1VlMfJKuzXLuh7Vd9TZLP1AnbvVTQjb_tflNwlW6AWUOmdH53Io

    You forgot the part about his mistress. Which seems to be one of your major criticisms of President Trump.

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  18. danok1 Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I don’t think so. McCain was the Chair of the Armed Services Committee and he believed strongly in the system and regular order which Harry Reid broke and Mitch McConnell didn’t fix. This is an unprovable situation.

    A couple of questions Gary, since you seem to be familiar with McCain’s record:

    1. In his campaigns, did McCain say that he’d only vote for repeal if the Senate returned to “regular order,” or did he not qualify his statements?
    2. Did he ever vote for any bill that did not come via regular order?
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  19. JamesSalerno Inactive
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Black Lives Do Matter. I don’t go along with their myriad political goals, but I go along with the statement that Black Lives Matter, and I see no justification for a police officer to put his knee on the neck of a handcuffed prisoner for over 8 minutes. Do you?

    Aren’t you supposed to be a lawyer? We don’t know all the details of the case yet. We didn’t see everything that happened. The restraint hold that the officer used was within Minneapolis PD’s procedures. This is important because you’re talking about “justification.” Floyd had quite the cocktail of drugs in his system when this happened. Are we supposed to ignore this? It’s unclear if the knee to the neck was a major contributing factor in the death. I’m not convinced “beyond a shadow of a doubt” yet.

    And supporting Black Lives Matter means you agree with their causes. Like all leftist groups, “Black Lives Matter” is just a name. They don’t really believe that black lives matter as evidenced by all of their behavior since day one. I’m not going to chant “black lives matter” for the same reason I don’t chant obvious things like “the sky is blue.” Your hatred for Trump has corrupted you so much that you’re supporting a domestic terror organization.

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  20. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    I think this is telling article talking about what is going on now. 

    https://worldisraelnews.com/caroline-glick-the-great-threat-to-america-and-to-american-jewry/

     

    I had not idea the BLM platform was what it was. 

    Scary times. 

    I would not want to march with anti-Semites or support them. I am against all racism. 

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  21. Steve C. Member
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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    I think this is telling article talking about what is going on now.

    https://worldisraelnews.com/caroline-glick-the-great-threat-to-america-and-to-american-jewry/

     

    I had not idea the BLM platform was what it was.

    Scary times.

    I would not want to march with anti-Semites or support them. I am against all racism.

    The infamous Coalition of the Fringes. 

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  22. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
    @Instugator

    Steve C. (View Comment):
    The infamous Coalition of the Fringes. 

    Before I looked it up – Ah the modern Democratic Party.

    After I looked it up – The modern Democratic Party with an Exploitable implication – as long as Trump’s twitter keeps nailing it.

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  23. Instugator Thatcher
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    Richard Easton (View Comment):
    Nor has he spoken out against the spying of the Obama Administration on the Trump campaign,

    An act worse than anything G Gordon Liddy ever thought to do or Nixon thought to cover up.

    Obama rehabilitated Nixon to my mind.

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  24. E. Kent Golding Moderator
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin Doesn’t C… (View Comment):

    Re: Mitt marching with evangelicals . . .

     

    Will you agree with me that there is no apparent justification for a police officer to put his knee on the neck of a hand-cuffed prisoner?

    I would be stunned if anyone disagreed.   I would be hard pressed to find anyone who disagreed with this.   Can you name anyone who actually disagreed with this?

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  25. Columbo Inactive
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    Instugator (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Speaking of Republican Presidents, here is a great article from the Chicago Tribune on Ike, our 34th President. The final paragraphs:

    “Ike was beyond corruption. No Watergate. No sex scandals. No you-can-keep-your-insurance lies.

    “Ike was a simple man from the Midwest who knew his duty to the nation. First he had to make sure it survived, then make sure it thrived.

    “Americans who lived through that time often joked that nothing happened during the presidency of the amiable Eisenhower. It seemed that way, especially during the decades of trauma that followed his presidency.

    “Maybe that was the point.”

    https://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/ct-evr-column-blaser-dwight-eisenhower-tl-0606-story.html?fbclid=IwAR0NDbsO1VlMfJKuzXLuh7Vd9TZLP1AnbvVTQjb_tflNwlW6AWUOmdH53Io

    You forgot the part about his mistress. Which seems to be one of your major criticisms of President Trump.

    Ike & Kate Summersby

    And Ronald Reagan was divorced (gasp!). Where can Gary find his fantasy realm idol. And it is decidedly not the 1950’s any longer.

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  26. Columbo Inactive
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    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin Doesn’t C… (View Comment):

    Re: Mitt marching with evangelicals . . .

     

    Will you agree with me that there is no apparent justification for a police officer to put his knee on the neck of a hand-cuffed prisoner?

    I would be stunned if anyone disagreed. I would be hard pressed to find anyone who disagreed with this. Can you name anyone who actually disagreed with this?

    And further to the same point. Black lives matter. No one disputes this. Oh … except for the abortionists, but that is another conversation.

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  27. Annefy Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    E. Kent Golding (View Comment):

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin Doesn’t C… (View Comment):

    Re: Mitt marching with evangelicals . . .

    Will you agree with me that there is no apparent justification for a police officer to put his knee on the neck of a hand-cuffed prisoner?

    I would be stunned if anyone disagreed. I would be hard pressed to find anyone who disagreed with this. Can you name anyone who actually disagreed with this?

    And further to the same point. Black lives matter. No one disputes this. Oh … except for the abortionists, but that is another conversation.

    A pro life friend got pepper sprayed at a protest last week

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  28. Instugator Thatcher
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    @Instugator

    Annefy (View Comment):
    A pro life friend got pepper sprayed at a protest last week

    Because, according to the BLM and Democrat party, “Those Black Lives Don’t Matter.”

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  29. Columbo Inactive
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

    Many Republicans are now realizing that they are threatened with being swamped by their association. From RawStory quoting from the Daily Beast (consider the sources):

    “In a column for the Daily Beast, conservative commentator Matt Lewis said there are indications that more than a few GOP lawmakers will turn their backs on Donald Trump as it becomes clearer that he will go down in a major defeat in November.

    “According to Lewis, who abandoned the Republican Party specifically because it became the party of Trump, the president is stumbling into the November election and running scared.

    “‘“Donald Trump is scared,’ he began. ‘He has beaten, dominated, and bludgeoned the Republican Party into positions that would make a drunken riot cop blush with shame. But now that Trump may lose in a landslide, his captives and quislings are plotting their escape.’

    “As Lewis notes, the tipping point for conservatives and Republicans to seriously consider turning on the president was brought about by comments made by retired General James Mattis in the past week.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/06/gop-lawmakers-plotting-escape-from-trump-over-possibility-hell-lose-election-in-a-landslide-conservative/?fbclid=IwAR3T6Y5hGFIyR19POldfxDhh0DipQPOTXI2x1oyMl1R30QUKsGoXgCHEK5c quoting from https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-trump-ship-is-sinking-fast-but-how-many-rats-will-really-jump?ref=home

     

    Beware of people who abandon the GOP giving advice to it. Let’s just say that their motives may not be in the best interest of the Party. And … why is it that you only like to read and quote people who have abandoned the GOP?

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  30. Instugator Thatcher
    Instugator
    @Instugator

    Columbo (View Comment):
    why is it that you only like to read and quote people who have abandoned the GOP?

    Because they are his people?

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