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  1. DrewInWisconsin Doesn't Care Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):
    I want to relegate Trump and Trumpism to the ash heap of history.

    I want to do the same to you and your friends at the Bulwank and the Displatch. So at least we can agree on tactics if not direction.

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  2. Gary Robbins Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

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    Historians will wonder if John McCain would have also had the similar testicular fortitude.

    The guy that ran for re-election on overturning the ACA, and then cast the deciding vote to keep it?

    What Senator McCain said was that the repeal of the ACA needed to be returned to the Senate Health committee under regular order and if it wasn’t, he would vote against its repeal. It wasn’t referred to the Health Committee and McCain followed through with his statement.

    He said that during the campaign? Seems like an unusual campaign statement.

    What I know is that he campaigned on repeal, then, knowing that *his* vote would kill repeal, went ahead and voted it down. He can retroactively try to justify it all he wants – it sounds a lot like “I voted for it before I voted against it”.

    McCain returned to the Senate while he was being treated.  He gave the critical “vote to proceed” that was required, but then he stated that regular order needed to be observed.

     

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  3. Gary Robbins Member
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    Wrong thread!

    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    It’s a binary result. President Trump or Nancy and the looters, and their enablers like Mitt and others.

    I respectfully reject this. And if you force me to make a binary choice, for the first time since 1972 I will be voting for a Democrat for President.

    So what you’re saying is when the Democrats present their most overt and militantly progressive party platform since the McGovernites threw Bill Daley and the Chicago machine pols out of the DNC Convention in Miami 48 years ago, for their lack of fidelity to The Cause, this is the year you pick to come home to the Democratic Party?

    We had many chances to stop Trump, but the Republican members of congress and RNC are gutless wonders.  I would vote for any of the 16 other candidates from 2016 over Biden, but Republicans allowed themselves to be rolled by Trump.  We must hammer a wooden stake through Trumpism.

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  4. Jon1979 Inactive
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    Wrong thread!

    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    It’s a binary result. President Trump or Nancy and the looters, and their enablers like Mitt and others.

    I respectfully reject this. And if you force me to make a binary choice, for the first time since 1972 I will be voting for a Democrat for President.

    So what you’re saying is when the Democrats present their most overt and militantly progressive party platform since the McGovernites threw Bill Daley and the Chicago machine pols out of the DNC Convention in Miami 48 years ago, for their lack of fidelity to The Cause, this is the year you pick to come home to the Democratic Party?

    We had many chances to stop Trump, but the Republican members of congress and RNC are gutless wonders. I would vote for any of the 16 other candidates from 2016 over Biden, but Republicans allowed themselves to be rolled by Trump. We must hammer a wooden stake through Trumpism.

    By voting for the most progressive platform any political party has put out since 1972? At the very least, don’t vote for either of them and just start marking your ballot on the line for U.S. Senate, or you’re going to end up having to own everything the Democrats do from now through 1/20/25 if Biden wins the election.

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  5. danok1 Member
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Historians will wonder if John McCain would have also had the similar testicular fortitude.

    The guy that ran for re-election on overturning the ACA, and then cast the deciding vote to keep it?

    What Senator McCain said was that the repeal of the ACA needed to be returned to the Senate Health committee under regular order and if it wasn’t, he would vote against its repeal. It wasn’t referred to the Health Committee and McCain followed through with his statement.

    He said that during the campaign? Seems like an unusual campaign statement.

    What I know is that he campaigned on repeal, then, knowing that *his* vote would kill repeal, went ahead and voted it down. He can retroactively try to justify it all he wants – it sounds a lot like “I voted for it before I voted against it”.

    McCain returned to the Senate while he was being treated. He gave the critical “vote to proceed” that was required, but then he stated that regular order needed to be observed.

     

    You refuse to address MWM’s point: that McCain campaigned on repeal of the ACA, but when it came time to deliver he voted to keep the ACA. I think we’re entitled to conclude that he would have voted to keep the ACA even if “regular order” were observed, simply to give Trump (as well as his constituents) the finger. 

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  6. Judge Mental Member
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    danok1 (View Comment):

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    Historians will wonder if John McCain would have also had the similar testicular fortitude.

    The guy that ran for re-election on overturning the ACA, and then cast the deciding vote to keep it?

    What Senator McCain said was that the repeal of the ACA needed to be returned to the Senate Health committee under regular order and if it wasn’t, he would vote against its repeal. It wasn’t referred to the Health Committee and McCain followed through with his statement.

    He said that during the campaign? Seems like an unusual campaign statement.

    What I know is that he campaigned on repeal, then, knowing that *his* vote would kill repeal, went ahead and voted it down. He can retroactively try to justify it all he wants – it sounds a lot like “I voted for it before I voted against it”.

    McCain returned to the Senate while he was being treated. He gave the critical “vote to proceed” that was required, but then he stated that regular order needed to be observed.

     

    You refuse to address MWM’s point: that McCain campaigned on repeal of the ACA, but when it came time to deliver he voted to keep the ACA. I think we’re entitled to conclude that he would have voted to keep the ACA even if “regular order” were observed, simply to give Trump (as well as his constituents) the finger.

    I think this prediction is borne out by the fact that rather than immediately casting his ‘principled’ vote, he waited to be the very last to vote, so that he could cast the deciding vote against Trump.  No reason to wait if it’s about principle.

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  7. Bob Thompson Member
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    danok1 (View Comment):

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    Historians will wonder if John McCain would have also had the similar testicular fortitude.

    The guy that ran for re-election on overturning the ACA, and then cast the deciding vote to keep it?

    What Senator McCain said was that the repeal of the ACA needed to be returned to the Senate Health committee under regular order and if it wasn’t, he would vote against its repeal. It wasn’t referred to the Health Committee and McCain followed through with his statement.

    He said that during the campaign? Seems like an unusual campaign statement.

    What I know is that he campaigned on repeal, then, knowing that *his* vote would kill repeal, went ahead and voted it down. He can retroactively try to justify it all he wants – it sounds a lot like “I voted for it before I voted against it”.

    McCain returned to the Senate while he was being treated. He gave the critical “vote to proceed” that was required, but then he stated that regular order needed to be observed.

     

    You refuse to address MWM’s point: that McCain campaigned on repeal of the ACA, but when it came time to deliver he voted to keep the ACA. I think we’re entitled to conclude that he would have voted to keep the ACA even if “regular order” were observed, simply to give Trump (as well as his constituents) the finger.

    This is why I went from being unenthusiastic about McCain to essentially despising his actions. All I worry about with Trump is what he says.

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  8. TBA Coolidge
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    Wrong thread!

    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    It’s a binary result. President Trump or Nancy and the looters, and their enablers like Mitt and others.

    I respectfully reject this. And if you force me to make a binary choice, for the first time since 1972 I will be voting for a Democrat for President.

    Pretttttty sure no one can force you to vote in America. 

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  9. TBA Coolidge
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    JamesSalerno (View Comment):

    Party worship is creepy and un-American.

    Many of those Republicans have nothing in common outside of their party. Teddy Roosevelt was the first legislative agenda, executive abuse president. Nixon gave the left everything they wanted, which is why it baffles me that liberals hate him so much. And it’s hard to see anything either George Bush has in common with Calvin Coolidge.

    I think they  hate him because they need someone to blame Viet Nam on. Also he ran against Kennedy who was so very good and stuff. 

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  10. TBA Coolidge
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    Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Wrong thread!

    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    It’s a binary result. President Trump or Nancy and the looters, and their enablers like Mitt and others.

    I respectfully reject this. And if you force me to make a binary choice, for the first time since 1972 I will be voting for a Democrat for President.

    So what you’re saying is when the Democrats present their most overt and militantly progressive party platform since the McGovernites threw Bill Daley and the Chicago machine pols out of the DNC Convention in Miami 48 years ago, for their lack of fidelity to The Cause, this is the year you pick to come home to the Democratic Party?

    We had many chances to stop Trump, but the Republican members of congress and RNC are gutless wonders. I would vote for any of the 16 other candidates from 2016 over Biden, but Republicans allowed themselves to be rolled by Trump. We must hammer a wooden stake through Trumpism.

    I was there. Trump beat them all despite my vote. He didn’t roll them, he didn’t cheat, and ‘chances to stop Trump’ sounds like you wanted to meddle in a free election. 

    No one here thought Trump would be the R candidate. When he was we rightly rallied around him, not because he was so great, but because he wasn’t the D candidate who was…well, scum. And presumptuous scum at that. 

    Nothing has changed except the gender of the D scum and the variety of presumption. 

    And now we come to this wooden-stake-through-Trumpism. 

    There is no ‘Trumpism’. There is only Trump. He’ll have four – maybe twelve – years more as President and then we get someone new; preferably someone conservative but more to your liking. 

    And the wooden stake imagery – I am normally not one to get all sniffy at violent metaphors – betrays a morbid obsession with Trump. A hatred. 

    Wanting to erase someone from history is hateful. You might want to get a handle on that because your hatred will have absolutely no effect on its target; it will affect you and yours. 

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  11. Bob Thompson Member
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    Wrong thread!

    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    It’s a binary result. President Trump or Nancy and the looters, and their enablers like Mitt and others.

    I respectfully reject this. And if you force me to make a binary choice, for the first time since 1972 I will be voting for a Democrat for President.

    So what you’re saying is when the Democrats present their most overt and militantly progressive party platform since the McGovernites threw Bill Daley and the Chicago machine pols out of the DNC Convention in Miami 48 years ago, for their lack of fidelity to The Cause, this is the year you pick to come home to the Democratic Party?

    We had many chances to stop Trump, but the Republican members of congress and RNC are gutless wonders. I would vote for any of the 16 other candidates from 2016 over Biden, but Republicans allowed themselves to be rolled by Trump. We must hammer a wooden stake through Trumpism.

    I was there. Trump beat them all despite my vote. He didn’t roll them, he didn’t cheat, and ‘chances to stop Trump’ sounds like you wanted to meddle in a free election.

    No one here thought Trump would be the R candidate. When he was we rightly rallied around him, not because he was so great, but because he wasn’t the D candidate who was…well, scum. And presumptuous scum at that.

    Nothing has changed except the gender of the D scum and the variety of presumption.

    And now we come to this wooden-stake-through-Trumpism.

    There is no ‘Trumpism’. There is only Trump. He’ll have four – maybe twelve – years more as President and then we get someone new; preferably someone conservative but more to your liking.

    And the wooden stake imagery – I am normally not one to get all sniffy at violent metaphors – betrays a morbid obsession with Trump. A hatred.

    Wanting to erase someone from history is hateful. You might want to get a handle on that because your hatred will have absolutely no effect on its target; it will affect you and yours.

    That is a really good rebuke, thanks.

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  12. philo Member
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    TBA (View Comment): Wanting to erase someone from history is hateful. 

    The prospect of a not-easy-to-erase-from-history Trump Court defining the next generation or two has these progressives of both the overt and covert variety seeing red.  Thus the aggressive, violent rhetoric..and behavior.

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  13. Columbo Inactive
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    Wrong thread!

    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    It’s a binary result. President Trump or Nancy and the looters, and their enablers like Mitt and others.

    I respectfully reject this. And if you force me to make a binary choice, for the first time since 1972 I will be voting for a Democrat for President.

    I said binary “result” for a reason. You can make any pointless vote you like for any McGuffin, Johnson or French you would like, but the result will still be the Dem or the GOP candidate. Every vote not given to the GOP candidate helps to elect the democrat. Ergo, you are comfortable with ushering in socialism to the United States because of a mindless OMBism.

    Sad.

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  14. namlliT noD Member
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    https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1269758561720156160Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    Your man Romney is marching with the Democrats and black supremacists in the BLM rally right now.

     

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  15. Steve C. Member
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    Historians will wonder if John McCain would have also had the similar testicular fortitude.

    The guy that ran for re-election on overturning the ACA, and then cast the deciding vote to keep it?

    What Senator McCain said was that the repeal of the ACA needed to be returned to the Senate Health committee under regular order and if it wasn’t, he would vote against its repeal. It wasn’t referred to the Health Committee and McCain followed through with his statement.

    Quibbling

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  16. Steve C. Member
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    TBA (View Comment):

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    Party worship is creepy and un-American.

    Many of those Republicans have nothing in common outside of their party. Teddy Roosevelt was the first legislative agenda, executive abuse president. Nixon gave the left everything they wanted, which is why it baffles me that liberals hate him so much. And it’s hard to see anything either George Bush has in common with Calvin Coolidge.

    I think they hate him because they need someone to blame Viet Nam on. Also he ran against Kennedy who was so very good and stuff.

    Are you kidding? They haven’t gotten over Alger Hiss. 

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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1269758561720156160Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    Your man Romney is marching with the Democrats and black supremacists in the BLM rally right now.

     

    Putz thinks this photo op will make dems like him.

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  18. Mim526 Inactive
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    I did not comment on the recent “Trump must be removed” post touting George Will’s column though I felt it to be in error from opening premise.  As facts emerged — which Will and his fellow media should have ascertained before publishing — turns out George Will et al were wrong.

    There are things I want to say about this post:

    • Support for any Democrat unless/until that party can break free from the Leftists/Progressives running the show, is to support the deconstruction of the United States similar to what’s happening in Minneapolis and Los Angeles now.
    • It bears repeating that the old Republican party was anything but a Grand Old Party: it was Democrat-lite, unable (unwilling?) to countermand Progressive propaganda with any effectiveness.  Trying to recreate it could mean it’ll either more fully merge into the Left or disintegrate. 
    • Humans are fallible and flawed, particularly US politician humans.  In the interest of factual truth-telling, a few things about the two Bushes, Romney, and McCain. 
      1. As a group, none of them seriously addressed China or Korea or bucked neocon Middle East policy.  They were/are neocons themselves with Bush 43 aggressively promoting democratic nation building that cost much in American blood and treasure.
      2. In fact, the two Bushes pushed hard to support China via the WTO to the detriment of US interests and subversion of US wealth/intellectual property. Truth is, 41’s touted skill with allies did not extend to what would have really helped everyday Americans:  addressing inequitable trade and delinquent NATO alliance commitments.  I intensely dislike having to mention that he is alleged to have had affair(s), and more recently to have made young women legitimately uncomfortable with his familiarity.
      3. By all accounts Mitt Romney is genuinely devoted to his wife and family. He also is neither great, brave, nor the saint he has been dubbed in this thread.  His political bravery is reserved for #ResistTrump issues.  Romney hired openly gay Rick Grenell only to let him go when it became a campaign topic.  For all the incoming flack in 2012, Romney did not receive a scintilla of the abuse Trump has received daily for 3+ years.  He remained silent years later as Senator Romney during Kavanaugh’s brutal SCOTUS appointment travails.
      4. Businesswise the thing that disturbs me most about Mitt Romney is his personal financial stake in his son Tagg’s partnership with North Carolina investors, who had already perpetuated an $8 billion Ponzi scheme, to form a new company called Solamere Advisors (similar to Romney’s own Solamere Capital) shortly before at least one was arrested for their fraud.
      5. Finally, the only things I will say of McCain here are that he facilitated the Republic-threatening spying on Trump administration mess that has plagued all Americans for over 3 years. I also think that McCain NGOs, along with Clinton, bear further scrutiny.
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  19. Mim526 Inactive
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    @rodin recently posted “Lord save us from dishonorable honorable men. I am coming to prefer honorable dishonorable men instead.” 

    From an article referenced in above comment #78:

    …even now you see businessowners whose stores have been looted and burned out expressing [support] for BLM and the ongoing protests. [,,,]  The BLM posters in their shop windows might as well say, “please don’t ransack my business, I’ll say and do whatever you want.”

    The issue is not whether you or I prefer Donald Trump.  Look around…do you see anyone standing against the very real tyranny facing America right now besides Donald Trump and those politicians/individuals who to some degree support him and/or his core policies?  Once the shaming, doxing, cancelling, etc. kick in everyone else goes quiet.

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  20. Mim526 Inactive
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    namlliT noD (View Comment):

    https://twitter.com/MittRomney/status/1269758561720156160Gary Robbins (View Comment):

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    Gary’s party.

    Or…

    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    Your man Romney is marching with the Democrats and black supremacists in the BLM rally right now.

    To my comments about Black Lives Matter (BLM) in #79 above, I add this observation from a former US attorney of 20+ years.  Can substitute BLM for Antifa; their aims are interchangeable in this case.

    Antifa doesn’t care about George Floyd.  Antifa is opportunistic – it looks for situations it can exploit for its own purposes.  It exists to turn communities in on themselves in an effort to promote civil unrest, and undermine local, state, and federal governments.

    THIS IS NOT MLK MARCHING IN SELMA as Mitt Romney apparently would have us believe:

     

    John Daniel Davidson’s article describes things I believe a genuine conservative Republican would pursue instead of the virtue signalling Mitt Romney is doing.  These things take hard work behind the scenes, not so much claps, but are what’s required of statesmen/women to keep a Republic like ours free:

    calls to reform the police, to make any of the necessary changes to things like qualified immunity laws or police union privileges—changes that would make a real difference and make police more accountable. Such reforms enjoy broad public support

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  21. Steve C. Member
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    Mim526 (View Comment):

    @rodin recently posted “Lord save us from dishonorable honorable men. I am coming to prefer honorable dishonorable men instead.”

    From an article referenced in above comment #78:

    …even now you see businessowners whose stores have been looted and burned out expressing [support] for BLM and the ongoing protests. [,,,] The BLM posters in their shop windows might as well say, “please don’t ransack my business, I’ll say and do whatever you want.”

    The issue is not whether you or I prefer Donald Trump. Look around…do you see anyone standing against the very real tyranny facing America right now besides Donald Trump and those politicians/individuals who to some degree support him and/or his core policies? Once the shaming, doxing, cancelling, etc. kick in everyone else goes quiet.

    In 2020 business owners will be forced to adopt the same protective coloration as Vaclav Havel’s “good greengrocer”. Posting  party slogans in the shop windows next to the peas and onions.

    They can’t make you care, but they can damn sure make you wear the Mao suit.

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  22. Mim526 Inactive
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    Steve C. (View Comment):

    Mim526 (View Comment):

    @rodin recently posted “Lord save us from dishonorable honorable men. I am coming to prefer honorable dishonorable men instead.”

    From an article referenced in above comment #78:

    …even now you see businessowners whose stores have been looted and burned out expressing [support] for BLM and the ongoing protests. [,,,] The BLM posters in their shop windows might as well say, “please don’t ransack my business, I’ll say and do whatever you want.”

    The issue is not whether you or I prefer Donald Trump. Look around…do you see anyone standing against the very real tyranny facing America right now besides Donald Trump and those politicians/individuals who to some degree support him and/or his core policies? Once the shaming, doxing, cancelling, etc. kick in everyone else goes quiet.

    In 2020 business owners will be forced to adopt the same protective coloration as Vaclev Havel’s “good greengrocer”. Posting party slogans in the shop windows next to the peas and onions.

    They can’t make you care, but they can damn sure make you wear the Mao suit.

    Some of the biggest lies are the ones that come cloaked as angels of light.

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  23. Gary Robbins Member
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    Historians will wonder if John McCain would have also had the similar testicular fortitude.

    The guy that ran for re-election on overturning the ACA, and then cast the deciding vote to keep it?

    What Senator McCain said was that the repeal of the ACA needed to be returned to the Senate Health committee under regular order and if it wasn’t, he would vote against its repeal. It wasn’t referred to the Health Committee and McCain followed through with his statement.

    He said that during the campaign? Seems like an unusual campaign statement.

    What I know is that he campaigned on repeal, then, knowing that *his* vote would kill repeal, went ahead and voted it down. He can retroactively try to justify it all he wants – it sounds a lot like “I voted for it before I voted against it”.

    McCain returned to the Senate while he was being treated. He gave the critical “vote to proceed” that was required, but then he stated that regular order needed to be observed.

     

    You refuse to address MWM’s point: that McCain campaigned on repeal of the ACA, but when it came time to deliver he voted to keep the ACA. I think we’re entitled to conclude that he would have voted to keep the ACA even if “regular order” were observed, simply to give Trump (as well as his constituents) the finger.

    I don’t think so.  McCain was the Chair of the Armed Services Committee and he believed strongly in the system and regular order which Harry Reid broke and Mitch McConnell didn’t fix.  This is an unprovable situation.  

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    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    It’s a binary result. President Trump or Nancy and the looters, and their enablers like Mitt and others.

    I respectfully reject this. And if you force me to make a binary choice, for the first time since 1972 I will be voting for a Democrat for President.

    Pretttttty sure no one can force you to vote in America.

    I voted third party three times.

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    In 2020 business owners will be forced to adopt the same protective coloration as Vaclev Havel’s “good greengrocer”. Posting party slogans in the shop windows next to the peas and onions.

    We’re already seeing that with every corporation intoning “Black Lives Matter!” over and over in the hopes that they’ll be spared from destruction by the mob.

    “I am afraid and therefore unquestioningly obedient.”

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    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    It’s a binary result. President Trump or Nancy and the looters, and their enablers like Mitt and others.

    I respectfully reject this. And if you force me to make a binary choice, for the first time since 1972 I will be voting for a Democrat for President.

    So what you’re saying is when the Democrats present their most overt and militantly progressive party platform since the McGovernites threw Bill Daley and the Chicago machine pols out of the DNC Convention in Miami 48 years ago, for their lack of fidelity to The Cause, this is the year you pick to come home to the Democratic Party?

    We had many chances to stop Trump, but the Republican members of congress and RNC are gutless wonders. I would vote for any of the 16 other candidates from 2016 over Biden, but Republicans allowed themselves to be rolled by Trump. We must hammer a wooden stake through Trumpism.

    I was there. Trump beat them all despite my vote. He didn’t roll them, he didn’t cheat, and ‘chances to stop Trump’ sounds like you wanted to meddle in a free election.

    No one here thought Trump would be the R candidate. When he was we rightly rallied around him, not because he was so great, but because he wasn’t the D candidate who was…well, scum. And presumptuous scum at that.

    Nothing has changed except the gender of the D scum and the variety of presumption.

    And now we come to this wooden-stake-through-Trumpism.

    There is no ‘Trumpism’. There is only Trump. He’ll have four – maybe twelve – years more as President and then we get someone new; preferably someone conservative but more to your liking.

    Um, the 22nd Amendment would limit Trump to two terms.  I strongly doubt that there could be a 2/3 vote in both the House and Senate and ratification in 3/4 of the states to amend the 22nd Amendment.  At the rate we are going, Trump will render the Republican brand so toxic that we will be many, many years in the wilderness.  

    And the wooden stake imagery – I am normally not one to get all sniffy at violent metaphors – betrays a morbid obsession with Trump. A hatred.

    The way to kill a vampire is a wooden stake to the heart.  

    Wanting to erase someone from history is hateful. You might want to get a handle on that because your hatred will have absolutely no effect on its target; it will affect you and yours.

    I just want Trump and Trumpism to be discredited and for the Republican Party to never go down that populist road ever again.  

     

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    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    It’s a binary result. President Trump or Nancy and the looters, and their enablers like Mitt and others.

    I respectfully reject this. And if you force me to make a binary choice, for the first time since 1972 I will be voting for a Democrat for President.

    I said binary “result” for a reason. You can make any pointless vote you like for any McGuffin, Johnson or French you would like, but the result will still be the Dem or the GOP candidate. Every vote not given to the GOP candidate helps to elect the democrat. Ergo, you are comfortable with ushering in socialism to the United States because of a mindless OMBism.

    Sad.

    I am greatly saddened at the prospect of voting in a Democrat.  But I strongly believe that Trumpism must be excised from the body politic.

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    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    Your man Romney is marching with the Democrats and black supremacists in the BLM rally right now.

    And good for him.  Actually, if you had done a bit of research, you would find that this march was not sponsored by Black Lives Matter.  As CNN writes,  

    “Joining the evangelical group was ‘spontaneous,’ the aide said, adding that Romney was in DC and intended to march Sunday. He came across a group of 1,000 to 1,500 evangelicals from the DC area near the Capitol and joined their march for an hour and a half, the aide added.”  https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/politics/mitt-romney-black-lives-matter-protest/index.html

    I hope that it is acceptable to you for Mitt to join with evangelicals.  

    I have been too busy to point in the marches in Flagstaff and I am concerned about my age of 67 and COVID-19.  However, I have honked on my horn  in support when I have driven by them on the City Hall lawn, where I would demonstrate with the Tea Party in years past.  

    Let’s make this point perfectly clear, there was no justification for a police officer to put his knee on George Floyd’s neck for over 8 minutes.  I would hope that we would have common ground on that issue.

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    Historians will wonder if John McCain would have also had the similar testicular fortitude.

    The guy that ran for re-election on overturning the ACA, and then cast the deciding vote to keep it?

    What Senator McCain said was that the repeal of the ACA needed to be returned to the Senate Health committee under regular order and if it wasn’t, he would vote against its repeal. It wasn’t referred to the Health Committee and McCain followed through with his statement.

    Quibbling

    McCain was a traditionalist who believed in the committee process and regular order.  McConnell thought that McCain could be rolled and pressured.  He couldn’t be.

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    My feeling here is one of “Ugh!” for most of the Democrats, and overt revulsion for AOC and Bernie.

    To include one of the greatest and bravest nominees in history, Mitt Romney, with the Democrats is blasphemy in my mind. Romney is almost a saint, in that he refused for admire the emperor’s new clothing, and history will be very, very kind to Romney.

    Your man Romney is marching with the Democrats and black supremacists in the BLM rally right now.

    To my comments about Black Lives Matter (BLM) in #79 above, I add this observation from a former US attorney of 20+ years. Can substitute BLM for Antifa; their aims are interchangeable in this case.

    Antifa doesn’t care about George Floyd. Antifa is opportunistic – it looks for situations it can exploit for its own purposes. It exists to turn communities in on themselves in an effort to promote civil unrest, and undermine local, state, and federal governments.

    THIS IS NOT MLK MARCHING IN SELMA as Mitt Romney apparently would have us believe:

    Thank you for the picture of George Romney marching in Selma.  When the 1965 Selma March was re-created 50 years later, George W. Bush was there marching.  Good for them.  It was the Republican Party that broke the Southern filibuster over the 1964 Civil Rights Act, by voting for it in a greater percentage than the Democratic Party.

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