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Democrats Pick the Wrong Fight
If I were a Democrat in a district that Trump won, this would be my “uh-oh” moment.
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Huh? Wuzzat?
The beauty of her convictions comes shining through, dude. Drew. Drude?
Having done it once, and it worked, why wouldn’t you do it again? Pence’s ability to “make cases” or not be Trump are meaningless here. They’d also want to weigh in on who Pence might choose as an interim Veep – meaning they’d want veto power over that choice.
There’s no rational choosing here. Just power-hungry dweebs seeking out money, the power thing. They are addicted to it.
Stoolies who shout “Cheese it, da cops!”
#NeverHillary
Actually, no.
Let’s take a look back at the battleground states of Wisconsin, Florida and Arizona in 2016.
First, Wisconsin.
Donald Trump received 1,405,284 votes. But in the US Senate race in Wisconsin, Republican Ron Johnson received 1,479,471 votes. So, the non-Trumpian GOP candidate got more people to vote for him than Trump did.
Second, Florida.
Donald Trump received 4,617,886 votes. Marco Rubio received 4,835,191 votes. Again, more votes for the non-Trumpian Republican.
Third, Arizona.
Donald Trump received 1,252,401 votes. John McCain (I’ve never been a fan of his at all) received 1,359,267 votes. More votes for the non-Trumpian Republican again.
Clearly there are lots of voters who were perfectly willing to vote for a Republican candidate but passed on Trump.
Mike Pence would be able to get votes from people who are put off by Trump’s personality and unpersuaded by Trump’s limited verbal skills.
Also remember that it is unusual for people to walk into a voting booth and vote in the US Senate race and not vote in the Presidential race. Usually its the reverse that happens. Someone goes to vote in the Presidential race but skips the Senate race.
You can tell by the 2016 election results in Wisconsin, Florida and Arizona that many people who have no problem voting Republican just took a pass on the entire Presidential race because they didn’t like either Trump or Hillary. But they had no problem with Ron Johnson, Marco Rubio or John McCain. (Again, I did have “issues” with John McCain.)
So, there are lots of votes out there being left on the table by Trump, votes Pence could easily scoop up.
That said it all. It makes me sick to my stomach what has happened to my country, and as others have stated, lies and hiding in a bunker to compile a way to remove Trump isn’t going to prevail. This will turn out very badly for the Democrats because the truth always comes out and then some. We’ve seen the unprecedented level of corruption that was taking place at our highest levels of government to mastermind pulling the chair out from a newly elected president, and they keep trying. It won’t work, and its disgusting for anyone who thinks any of this is acceptable.
I cannot say I am #NeverHillary. If the candidate running against her were Cthulhu, I would reluctantly vote for her. Better someone totally evil who is incompetent than someone totally evil who is competent.
(Mind, when I reluctantly pulled the lever for Trump my thinking was better someone incompetent who is not evil than someone incompetent who is totally evil. Turned out I was wrong about Trump’s incompetence.)
Donald Trump, Ron Johnson, Marco Rubio, and John McCain all had different opponents. You really can’t compare these things without factoring the electability of the opponent in each case.
You really have no evidence that Mike Pence would “easily scoop up” those votes. None at all. It’s wishcasting.
Given Pence’s strong social conservative bona fides, the left would savage him.
And the context of a given election. Part of the dynamic here would be GOP Senators helping to remove Trump. Cut those numbers in half.
Were. Were a lot. Things are different now. A great many of us who might have voted for a Republican in a down ticket race, but turn up our nose at Trump, will vote for Trump now. And gladly vote for Pence should he be the nominee instead.
The question no one is asking: why do we need a bill on the House floor to lower prescription drug prices? ;-)
Big fat liar…sheesh…I got all excited and everything…
Ok, I watched the whole thing. There is not much, individually, that stands out. But what is really important here is the fact that they are all standing up and saying “Enough!” We complain that the Republicans have no spine, and whatever But as we say with Kavanaugh, and as we see here, when it really matters, they stand together. I think it is great.
And by the way, where has Lee Zeldin been all my life?
Pence wouldn’t be President. At most, he would be renting the seat for a few weeks until the Dem is sworn in in Jan 2021.
Wait until those Dems renting Republican seats realize powerful Dems in safe seats are sacrificing them to get to Trump. Dems is House get what they want no matter which party is majority.
Gary never did watch this video, did he? I haz a sad. : (
Maybe your crystal ball needs a bit if Windex glass cleaner and some scrubbing.
When people were asked locally to call into the local “public radio station” regarding the experiences with the Kincaide fire north of Santa Rosa, Calif they took the radio station at their word.
One social worker who was a resident of Santa rosa was almost in tears as she related how people who had been middle class citizens the day before and who had lost everything in the fires were now living in their cars. She explained she was grateful to her friends here in Lake County who took her in so she had a tiny bit of normalcy.
The person hosting the show for that hour interrupted her to say, “We shouldn’t forget that hispanic people are also suffering.”
This radio station, KPFZ, was one of the few stations operating. Lake County residents and so many other counties north of Santa Rosa lost all the radio signals that we normally could get when transmission towers were burned, or when staff was ordered to say home or leave the area due to the massive, 189,000 person evacuation orders.
But this is the New Left. “Sure people suffer, but hispanic people suffer more.”
Anyone willing to wager that this policy is now backfiring on them?
Yes, as after all, this past week, @Jack of twitter, the guy who owns and runs twitter, came out to state that right now, twitter will accept no political ads. Not even ads on issues. (I am pretty sure this violates our First Amendment.)
Jack also stated that this current policy came about because of a lie that Trump told in a very recent political ad on twitter.
Then he said that later this month, twitter would issue a revised policy that will make things clearer.
Anyone who reads between the lines sees what is coming down that turnpike.
Like you say, “Democrats are putting pressure on alternative media to censor right wing points under the guise of “fact checking” or “stopping hate speech” “
We have a real fight on our hands – a need to preserve free speech, as well as to take over the rotten- to-the-core DNC election flipping mechanisms that now dominate life in Calfironia, as well as other liberal areas.
I think Never Trumpers like Ben Shapiro have shifted from opposing Trump in the 2016 election (while not being willing to actually vote for Hillary Clinton) to saying that he would vote for Trump in 2020.
Once a NeverTrumper decides to become a Trump supporter and they have been vocally supporting Trump for a few months, one can easily forget that this person was a NeverTrumper.
I’m not sure what qualifies as a “breakthrough,” but there are examples like Shapiro who have changed their minds, probably based on Trump’s US Supreme Court nominees and tax cuts. It’s one thing for a candidate to promise to put conservatives on the court and to cut taxes. It’s another to follow through.
The old joke was the New York Times headline of “World To End Tomorrow. Women and Minorities Hardest Hit.” Now these people are making it a reality.
Ooops. Wrong thread.
Spelling and grammar, Owsley!
Maybe he learned something from Trump?
A lot of assumptions packed into an overwhelming number of…three….states. Three. You’re ignoring turnout impacts and you state, at the end, that Mike Pence would just “be able to get votes from people who are put off by Trump’s personality and unpersuaded by Trump’s limited verbal skills.”
Assumptions. So, no, it’s not “actually, no”, here. It’s just assumptions.
I agree.
But I have read the comments of others who assume that Pence wouldn’t be able to win in 2020 while Trump will be able to win in 2020.
No one has a crystal ball. No one knows the future. But how many people realize that Trump got fewer votes than those establishment Republicans?
Some people have persauded themselves that Trump was the only candidate who could have defeated Hillary Clinton in 2016, even though Hillary Clinton was under investigation by the FBI during the campaign and the FBI director James Comey publicly re-opened the FBI investigation against Clinton 8 days before the election.
We can’t prove what would have happened in the past with a different candidate. Nor can we run a computer simulation of the 2020 election with Trump as the candidate and again as Pence as the candidate.
Nobody knows what is going to happen in 2020. A lot of people think they know. But they don’t. They have a 50% chance of being right, and if they are they’ll say “See? See! I told ya!” And if they are wrong they will say “Well, I was right except such and such happened that I didn’t account for.” Except me. I just say:
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Due to how the election machinery in almost all states is flippable via electronic digitized switch, it almost doesn’t matter whether “R”‘s run or not. The states with the most electoral votes are Illinois, New York and California, and the DNC holds sway in all three.
Jan 2017, it was proven in San Diego County Ca court of law that the DNC stole Bernie’s Primary win away from him, and handed it illegally to Hillary.
Now this would have been proven in another 12 voting districts, all across the USA, except the judges in the other twelve didn’t think citizens themselves had any rights to “legal standing” necessary to bring abut the court hearing. Bernie, those judges decreed, needed to come forward himself and ally himself with the voting activists. Bernie was too frightened of being called a “spoiled loser” to do that, so to quote Janet Reno, “we will never ever know” how many voting districts across the US had the primary votes switched.
If the DNC does that to their own party candidates, what do you think they will do to Trump?
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