Sources and Methods

 

The release of the Horowitz report on the investigation into FISA abuse has been delayed yet again.  This release has been teased month after month, and yet still we wait.  Apparently, every single bureaucrat in Washington gets their chance to redact the document, in order to protect their precious “sources and methods”.

I sick of hearing about their sources and methods.  Everything we’re talking about here is either domestic, or the sources have already been revealed in the media.  Nobody is going to be killed because their identity is revealed. These aren’t spies, living undercover behind enemy lines, they are bureaucrats.  And frankly, their sources and methods are exactly what is at issue here.  Their sources sucked, and their methods were corrupt.  But if you let them remove the sources and methods, they can remove the wrongdoing as well.

I want the original, unredacted report, as written by Horowitz.  The American people have a right to know.

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  1. Western Chauvinist Member
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    @WesternChauvinist

    Amen! 

    /where’d I leave my pitchfork??

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  2. Clifford A. Brown Member
    Clifford A. Brown
    @CliffordBrown

    Judge Mental:

    These aren’t spies, living undercover behind enemy lines, they are bureaucrats. And frankly, their sources and methods are exactly what is at issue here. Their sources sucked, and their methods were corrupt. But if you let them remove the sources and methods, they can remove the wrongdoing as well.

    I want the original, unredacted report, as written by Horowitz. The American people have a right to know.

    Exactly. AG Barr needs to back up his fine words at Notre Dame by fully unveiling everyone, as President Trump authorized him to do, in order to stop the very evils that he claims to care so much about at Notre Dame.

    This coup was and is about completing the subversion of the First Amendment of our Constitution. It was and is about gutting forever the only effective electoral base in opposition to the secular supremacist left.

    Letting this drag on is useful idiocy or collusion. They are not good people. They are not dedicated experts. They are faithless subversives, who have broken their oaths.

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  3. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    I don’t expect much from the Horowitz report. I want to know what Barr and Durham come up with. They received Mifsud’s Blackberries in Italy. Strange place for a Russian intelligence asset to keep his PDAs, don’t you think? Barr recently expanded the scope of Durham’s brief to include the time from the start of the “counterintelligence” investigation up to Mueller’s appointment as special prosecutor. I don’t think that they have done that because they are fishing. I think that they pretty much know what they are looking for and are now nailing down loose corners.

    We’ll see.

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  4. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
    @JudgeMental

    Percival (View Comment):
    I don’t expect much from the Horowitz report. I want to know what Barr and Durham come up with.

    I mostly agree, in that I expect a lot more from Durham than Horowitz, but the last two were fairly scathing, and this is blatant.  As of tonight, there are four (maybe five) sources that they knew the dossier was crap before they used it.

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  5. Roberto, Crusty Old Timer Inactive
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    @Roberto

    Percival (View Comment):

    I don’t expect much from the Horowitz report. I want to know what Barr and Durham come up with. They received Mifsud’s Blackberries in Italy. Strange place for a Russian intelligence asset to keep his PDAs, don’t you think? Barr recently expanded the scope of Durham’s brief to include the time from the start of the “counterintelligence” investigation up to Mueller’s appointment as special prosecutor. I don’t think that they have done that because they are fishing. I think that they pretty much know what they are looking for and are now nailing down loose corners.

    We’ll see.

    I would be very curious to hear about the chain of custody for those devices. The man himself vanishes without a trace and then these devices show up. 

    Very curious. 

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  6. Judge Mental Member
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    Roberto, Crusty Old Timer (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    I don’t expect much from the Horowitz report. I want to know what Barr and Durham come up with. They received Mifsud’s Blackberries in Italy. Strange place for a Russian intelligence asset to keep his PDAs, don’t you think? Barr recently expanded the scope of Durham’s brief to include the time from the start of the “counterintelligence” investigation up to Mueller’s appointment as special prosecutor. I don’t think that they have done that because they are fishing. I think that they pretty much know what they are looking for and are now nailing down loose corners.

    We’ll see.

    I would be very curious to hear about the chain of custody for those devices. The man himself vanishes without a trace and then these devices show up.

    Very curious.

    Mueller filed about 30 indictments on Russians hacking the DNC server, and he never had custody period.  Democrats might find it awkward to complain in this case.

    Aw, who am I kidding?  They’re shameless.

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  7. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Roberto, Crusty Old Timer (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    I don’t expect much from the Horowitz report. I want to know what Barr and Durham come up with. They received Mifsud’s Blackberries in Italy. Strange place for a Russian intelligence asset to keep his PDAs, don’t you think? Barr recently expanded the scope of Durham’s brief to include the time from the start of the “counterintelligence” investigation up to Mueller’s appointment as special prosecutor. I don’t think that they have done that because they are fishing. I think that they pretty much know what they are looking for and are now nailing down loose corners.

    We’ll see.

    I would be very curious to hear about the chain of custody for those devices. The man himself vanishes without a trace and then these devices show up.

    Very curious.

    Very simple. He was and is a U.S. IC asset, given U.S. government property for his job. He turned in the U.S. government property at the end of his employment/assignment, possibly to an officer at an embassy. 

    Perfectly normal. We are just surprised that the subversives did not destroy the evidence as Hillary’s team did.

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  8. Western Chauvinist Member
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    Roberto, Crusty Old Timer (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    I don’t expect much from the Horowitz report. I want to know what Barr and Durham come up with. They received Mifsud’s Blackberries in Italy. Strange place for a Russian intelligence asset to keep his PDAs, don’t you think? Barr recently expanded the scope of Durham’s brief to include the time from the start of the “counterintelligence” investigation up to Mueller’s appointment as special prosecutor. I don’t think that they have done that because they are fishing. I think that they pretty much know what they are looking for and are now nailing down loose corners.

    We’ll see.

    I would be very curious to hear about the chain of custody for those devices. The man himself vanishes without a trace and then these devices show up.

    Very curious.

    Disappeared after asking for police protection from the Italians? It’s like he had something on the Clintons or something…

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  9. Gossamer Cat Coolidge
    Gossamer Cat
    @GossamerCat

    I haven’t been following the stories regarding either report-I tuned out a long time ago.  All I know is that expecting government to police its own is bound to end in disappointment.  It goes both ways-can you say “Mueller Report”?  I would be delighted to find out that I am wrong, but history tells me I’m not.  

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  10. DonG Coolidge
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    @DonG

    U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley sent a foreboding tweet a few days ago outlining the possibility of the FISA investigation would result in a “deep six” cover-up.

     

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  11. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Roberto, Crusty Old Timer (View Comment):

    Percival (View Comment):

    I don’t expect much from the Horowitz report. I want to know what Barr and Durham come up with. They received Mifsud’s Blackberries in Italy. Strange place for a Russian intelligence asset to keep his PDAs, don’t you think? Barr recently expanded the scope of Durham’s brief to include the time from the start of the “counterintelligence” investigation up to Mueller’s appointment as special prosecutor. I don’t think that they have done that because they are fishing. I think that they pretty much know what they are looking for and are now nailing down loose corners.

    We’ll see.

    I would be very curious to hear about the chain of custody for those devices. The man himself vanishes without a trace and then these devices show up.

    Very curious.

    It seems that either Mifsud had them, or the Italians did. If our intelligence people got ahold of them first, someone would have taken a hammer to them.

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  12. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    DonG (View Comment):

    U.S. Senator Chuck Grassley sent a foreboding tweet a few days ago outlining the possibility of the FISA investigation would result in a “deep six” cover-up.

     

    Now that is one President Trump should retweet at AG Barr.

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  13. Arahant Member
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    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):
    Now that is one President Trump should retweet at AG Barr.

    It would be fun to see.

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  14. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    @SusanQuinn

    Just because someone expects redactions doesn’t mean they’ll be approved, does it? Doesn’t someone (like Horowitz or Barr) get to decide whether to approve/accept redactions? This is crazy; everyone is busy covering their you-know-whats!

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  15. Unsk Member
    Unsk
    @Unsk

    Great Reminder Judge. Gee, another compromised DC bureaucrat who favors the Left- who would have thunk it?  The DOJ is thoroughly broken as is much of DC.  The unelected- untouchable bureaucrats have put America in chains and they are determined to keep it that way. 

    The indictments from Durham and Barr better start soon .

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  16. Western Chauvinist Member
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    @WesternChauvinist

    Unsk (View Comment):

    Great Reminder Judge. Gee, another compromised DC bureaucrat who favors the Left- who would have thunk it? The DOJ is thoroughly broken as is much of DC. The unelected- untouchable bureaucrats have put America in chains and they are determined to keep it that way.

    The indictments from Durham and Barr better start soon .

    I’d say they have about a month. Definitely better get it done before the end of the year. If the Left gets impeachment for Christmas, the Right better get some frog-marches. 

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  17. CarolJoy, Above Top Secret Coolidge
    CarolJoy, Above Top Secret
    @CarolJoy

    I’m gonna paraphrase  a quote, I think from Julian Assange, to the effect that in this day and age, classified information is classified not for national security purposes, but for  political security purposes.

    That one statement says it all.

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  18. EDISONPARKS Member
    EDISONPARKS
    @user_54742

    Given the current technology the NSA has at it’s disposal it seems nearly impossible HRC’s e-mails could not have been retrieved from a variety of sources such as recipients and senders, particularly Huma Abedin who was, in all likelihood, copied in on most if not all HRC’s e-mail correspondence.

    HRC’s e-mails were never found because it was the job of Comey’s FBI under the guidance of the Lynch’s DOJ  to “not find” HRC’s e-mails.

    That’s why Comey nearly pooped himself when Carlos Danger’s laptop turned up some of HRC’s e-mails.

    Fortunately, the FBI Team Comey upper management special-special agents  were able to neutralize this possible game changing revelation and HRC still has a chance to be elected President again in 2020.

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  19. Boss Mongo Member
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    @BossMongo

    Judge Mental: These aren’t spies, living undercover behind enemy lines, they are bureaucrats. And frankly, their sources and methods are exactly what is at issue here. Their sources sucked, and their methods were corrupt. But if you let them remove the sources and methods, they can remove the wrongdoing as well.

    Judge, exactly.

    If the miscreants involved in this imbroglio were competent, we would know nothing about it; we’d’ve never heard the name Mifsud.

    The fact is, it was a bunch of HQ pukes that figured that they knew tradecraft because…they supervised the ops of people that actually know tradecraft.

    The fact that we even know the name “Mifsud” is prima facie evidence that, from a tradecraft point of view, what we’re looking at is a tradecraft dance of the ‘tards.

    Their tradecraft sucked.  SuckedSucked.

    So, redacting anything because of these muttonheads’ actions is silly.  Let’s hope that adversaries think that this is the way we do business.

     

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  20. Percival Thatcher
    Percival
    @Percival

    Boss Mongo (View Comment):
    The fact that we even know the name “Mifsud” is prima facie evidence that, from a tradecraft point of view, what we’re looking at is a tradecraft dance of the ‘tards.

    That’s a keeper!

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  21. MACHO GRANDE' (aka - Chris Cam… Coolidge
    MACHO GRANDE' (aka - Chris Cam…
    @ChrisCampion

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Judge Mental:

    These aren’t spies, living undercover behind enemy lines, they are bureaucrats. And frankly, their sources and methods are exactly what is at issue here. Their sources sucked, and their methods were corrupt. But if you let them remove the sources and methods, they can remove the wrongdoing as well.

    I want the original, unredacted report, as written by Horowitz. The American people have a right to know.

    Exactly. AG Barr needs to back up his fine words at Notre Dame by fully unveiling everyone, as President Trump authorized him to do, in order to stop the very evils that he claims to care so much about at Notre Dame.

    This coup was and is about completing the subversion of the First Amendment of our Constitution. It was and is about gutting forever the only effective electoral base in opposition to the secular supremacist left.

    Letting this drag on is useful idiocy or collusion. They are not good people. They are not dedicated experts. They are faithless subversives, who have broken their oaths.

    This is fantastic writing, Clifford.

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  22. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
    @JudgeMental

    MACHO GRANDE' (aka – Chri… (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Judge Mental:

    These aren’t spies, living undercover behind enemy lines, they are bureaucrats. And frankly, their sources and methods are exactly what is at issue here. Their sources sucked, and their methods were corrupt. But if you let them remove the sources and methods, they can remove the wrongdoing as well.

    I want the original, unredacted report, as written by Horowitz. The American people have a right to know.

    Exactly. AG Barr needs to back up his fine words at Notre Dame by fully unveiling everyone, as President Trump authorized him to do, in order to stop the very evils that he claims to care so much about at Notre Dame.

    This coup was and is about completing the subversion of the First Amendment of our Constitution. It was and is about gutting forever the only effective electoral base in opposition to the secular supremacist left.

    Letting this drag on is useful idiocy or collusion. They are not good people. They are not dedicated experts. They are faithless subversives, who have broken their oaths.

    This is fantastic writing, Clifford.

    I had the same reaction.  Just because I write with all the subtlety of a lead pipe doesn’t mean I can’t recognize those who do it better.

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  23. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Judge Mental (View Comment):

    MACHO GRANDE’ (aka – Chri… (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Judge Mental:

    These aren’t spies, living undercover behind enemy lines, they are bureaucrats. And frankly, their sources and methods are exactly what is at issue here. Their sources sucked, and their methods were corrupt. But if you let them remove the sources and methods, they can remove the wrongdoing as well.

    I want the original, unredacted report, as written by Horowitz. The American people have a right to know.

    Exactly. AG Barr needs to back up his fine words at Notre Dame by fully unveiling everyone, as President Trump authorized him to do, in order to stop the very evils that he claims to care so much about at Notre Dame.

    This coup was and is about completing the subversion of the First Amendment of our Constitution. It was and is about gutting forever the only effective electoral base in opposition to the secular supremacist left.

    Letting this drag on is useful idiocy or collusion. They are not good people. They are not dedicated experts. They are faithless subversives, who have broken their oaths.

    This is fantastic writing, Clifford.

    I had the same reaction. Just because I write with all the subtlety of a lead pipe doesn’t mean I can’t recognize those who do it better.

    @judgemental, you can’t get away with saying that–you’re a gifted writer and we should hear from you more!

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  24. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    judgemental, you can’t get away with saying that–you’re a gifted writer and we should hear from you more!

    I stand by my statement.  Consider the difference between someone like Isaac Asimov, who wrote at about a fourth grade level, and Stephen R. Donaldson, who writes like a PhD.  I can make myself understood, and I can tell a story, but I don’t write like that.

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  25. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    @SusanQuinn

    Judge Mental (View Comment):
    I can make myself understood, and I can tell a story, but I don’t write like that.

    And your point is? Gifted is what gifted does. Or something like that. Hey, I didn’t say I was gifted!

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  26. Clifford A. Brown Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):

    Great Reminder Judge. Gee, another compromised DC bureaucrat who favors the Left- who would have thunk it? The DOJ is thoroughly broken as is much of DC. The unelected- untouchable bureaucrats have put America in chains and they are determined to keep it that way.

    The indictments from Durham and Barr better start soon .

    Overnight, stuff got real, the Barr probe became a criminal investigation. The NYT is panicky. Now their team members will have to lawyer up, racking up some of the sort of bills that broke Gen. Flynn and others.

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  27. EDISONPARKS Member
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    @user_54742

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    Great Reminder Judge. Gee, another compromised DC bureaucrat who favors the Left- who would have thunk it? The DOJ is thoroughly broken as is much of DC. The unelected- untouchable bureaucrats have put America in chains and they are determined to keep it that way.

    The indictments from Durham and Barr better start soon .

    Overnight, stuff got real, the Barr probe became a criminal investigation. The NYT is panicky. Now their team members will have to lawyer up, racking up some of the sort of bills that broke Gen. Flynn and others.

    Rachel is making fun of the notion that the Obama DOJ/FBI/IC may have “colluded” to hurt Trump.

    She presents to her audience today , in October of 2019,  that this  idea of a Obama DOJ/FBI/IC malfeasance is an absurd notion concocted out of whole cloth, which gives you some idea of how the MSM has had an effective blackout on this meticulously  documented Spygate Scandal for the past three and a half years ……. Scary.

    Classic case of the Right knowing precisely what the Left is doing because many of us have to live in Lefty world (ie: me = Chicago), while the Left makes zero effort to know what the Right is doing because that could disrupt the narrative of what the Left tells other Leftists the Right is doing.

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  28. The Reticulator Member
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    Great Reminder Judge. Gee, another compromised DC bureaucrat who favors the Left- who would have thunk it? The DOJ is thoroughly broken as is much of DC. The unelected- untouchable bureaucrats have put America in chains and they are determined to keep it that way.

    The indictments from Durham and Barr better start soon .

    Overnight, stuff got real, the Barr probe became a criminal investigation. The NYT is panicky. Now their team members will have to lawyer up, racking up some of the sort of bills that broke Gen. Flynn and others.

    Rachel is making fun of the notion that the Obama DOJ/FBI/IC may have “colluded” to hurt Trump.

    She presents to her audience today , in October of 2019, that this idea of a Obama DOJ/FBI/IC malfeasance is an absurd notion concocted out of whole cloth, which gives you some idea of how the MSM has had an effective blackout on this meticulously documented Spygate Scandal for the past three and a half years ……. Scary.

    Classic case of the Right knowing precisely what the Left is doing because many of us have to live in Lefty world (ie: me = Chicago), while the Left makes zero effort to know what the Right is doing because that could disrupt the narrative of what the Left tells other Leftists the Right is doing.

    Rachel who?  URL? 

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  29. Clifford A. Brown Member
    Clifford A. Brown
    @CliffordBrown

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):

    Clifford A. Brown (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):

    Great Reminder Judge. Gee, another compromised DC bureaucrat who favors the Left- who would have thunk it? The DOJ is thoroughly broken as is much of DC. The unelected- untouchable bureaucrats have put America in chains and they are determined to keep it that way.

    The indictments from Durham and Barr better start soon .

    Overnight, stuff got real, the Barr probe became a criminal investigation. The NYT is panicky. Now their team members will have to lawyer up, racking up some of the sort of bills that broke Gen. Flynn and others.

    Rachel is making fun of the notion that the Obama DOJ/FBI/IC may have “colluded” to hurt Trump.

    She presents to her audience today , in October of 2019, that this idea of a Obama DOJ/FBI/IC malfeasance is an absurd notion concocted out of whole cloth, which gives you some idea of how the MSM has had an effective blackout on this meticulously documented Spygate Scandal for the past three and a half years ……. Scary.

    Classic case of the Right knowing precisely what the Left is doing because many of us have to live in Lefty world (ie: me = Chicago), while the Left makes zero effort to know what the Right is doing because that could disrupt the narrative of what the Left tells other Leftists the Right is doing.

    Rachel who? URL?

    Not Earl. Rachel of the serious lefty glasses. Maddow, MSNBC star.

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  30. DrewInWisconsin, Type Monkey Member
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    EDISONPARKS (View Comment):
    She presents to her audience today , in October of 2019, that this idea of a Obama DOJ/FBI/IC malfeasance is an absurd notion concocted out of whole cloth, which gives you some idea of how the MSM has had an effective blackout on this meticulously documented Spygate Scandal for the past three and a half years ……. Scary.

    However, the complete blackout on this means that for their viewers, it’s really going to look like the President did invent this out of whole cloth. They will be able to easily sell this as the President abusing his power to punish his enemies, because the people who only get their news from the legacy media know no other possibility.

    And yeah, that’s scary.

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