Conservatives, Common Courtesy, and the Gender Police

 

Transgender issues seem to be a tricky thing for many conservatives. (And it’s only going to get worse.) For example, a conservative told me the other day that “Misgendering is not a thing.” If you’re not hip to the lingo, misgendering is when you call someone by a gender label other than what they identify as. Like, if you call a lady “sir.” And it can be done accidentally or on purpose. People who care about transgender issues tend to (rightly so) get worked up about it, especially when it is done intentionally.

They also get worked up about “deadnaming.” That’s when you refer to a person who has transitioned by their pre-transition name. I see both misgendering and deadnaming occur here regularly on Ricochet anytime someone brings up Caitlyn Jenner. You may not realize it, but both intentional deadnaming and misgendering are insensitive at best and offensive at worse.

Now, I understand why conservatives do this. They’re taking a stand to preserve what they see as objective reality. If you have a penis, you’re a man, after all. To deny that damages reality or something, so it must stop here and now. This far and no further. Ils ne passeront pas!

Yeah, okay. I could try to explain the difference between sex and gender, but that tends to fall on deaf ears among many conservatives. So let me pose a question to those who believe such: Who made you the gender police?  

For those of you taking this stand, I suspect you don’t really want the job of being the gender police, because at the end of the day the only way to know for sure is to reach into someone’s pants and check.

Now, I don’t deny that minding everyone else’s business is a time-honored conservative tradition, but it directly conflicts with another equally time-honored and very American tradition: Live and let live. Still another conservative tradition this gender police mindset conflicts with: basic common courtesy.

There aren’t a lot of Freds in the world. There was only one other in my high school. And, unlike me, he wasn’t a Frederick, he was Ferdinand. But he went by Fred, and didn’t much care to be called Ferdinand, so that’s what we called him. This is pretty common. Lots of people go by names other than their birth names. To call someone by their birth name after they’ve expressed a clear preference to the contrary would just be rude. That is what intentional misgendering is: rude. It’s calling someone by the wrong term, even when you know better.

Intentional misgendering is also supremely arrogant. Setting aside transgender people, there’s a non-trivial percentage of people in our daily lives where you can’t easily identify their gender. There are men with gentle features, there are women who look masculine, and there are people who are androgynous in appearance, either by choice or because that’s just how God made them. When I encounter such a person, I stay neutral until I know what pronoun to use with them. The alternative is to flip a coin, take a guess, and make a horse’s ass of yourself if you’re wrong, embarrassing both you and the other person.

Look, you’re welcome to your opinions and far be it for me to stop you from expressing them. That’s not my goal. But when you intentionally misgender someone or deadname them, it’s disrespectful and discourteous. You don’t need to be the one person who tries to push back the tide. You’re not going to make the difference and not enough people care to make your effort worthwhile.

These issues are all in flux right now. It’s still going to be a few years before norms and customs settle down. But in the meantime, it’s no excuse for rudeness and discourtesy to make some kind of quixotic point. You’re better off being civil to people.

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  1. livingthenonScienceFictionlife Inactive
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    Fred Cole: So let me pose a question to those who believe such: Who made you the gender police?

    Science.

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  2. J.D. Snapp Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I’m pretty sure people try to get names and pronouns correct. This is not a new problem. When women began keeping their maiden name or hyphenating their maiden and married names, things got confusing. Throw a couple of kids in there, and it got even more confusing. Then add a divorce or two and, wow, it got even worse.

    Society went through this transition also when it adopted Ms.: “Do you wish to be called ‘Miss,’ ‘Mrs.,’ or ‘Ms.’?”

    Polite society is grappling with the new forms of address, and mistakes will be made for a while. People should not be offended if they are addressed in a way they don’t wish to be.

    People transitioning from one gender to another should give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

    Truly classy people always put others at ease.

    I’ve been called Ms. a few times after getting married, but I just say “Oh, it’s Mrs. Snapp.” and get back to the conversation. It’s not like I’m offended though.

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  3. J.D. Snapp Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    AltarGirl (View Comment):
    Now I had a friend in high school named Lindsay. Now that is a name to get attention…

    My best friend in college was named Kim, the faculty advisor to the film committee was named Lauri, and then department director at my first post-college job was Carol.

    All men.

    I’ve met female Randy’s before. And one Randi.

    I knew a Randi in high school. She was a sweetheart. I also know a few guys named Ashley.

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  4. Hoyacon Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Any chance the OP will wander over, and respond?

    It’s a mini-boomlet.  The last few days have seen a couple of somewhat controversial threads which the O/Ps observed from afar.

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  5. Nick H Coolidge
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    J.D. Snapp (View Comment):
    I knew a Randi in high school. She was a sweetheart. I also know a few guys named Ashley.

    Most names move in the direction of being used primarily for males to being used by both to being used primarily for females. Names like Tracy and Shannon and Ashley used to be mostly male names. Now they’re not. Sometimes it’s because there are masculine and feminine forms of the same name (Alexander and Alexandra) that both use the same nickname (Alex). Interestingly, it’s extremely rare for a name to migrate in the opposite direction. Once a name is feminine, it stays feminine. So eventually all the names will be for girls. 

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  6. J.D. Snapp Coolidge
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    Nick H (View Comment):

    J.D. Snapp (View Comment):
    I knew a Randi in high school. She was a sweetheart. I also know a few guys named Ashley.

    Most names move in the direction of being used primarily for males to being used by both to being used primarily for females. Names like Tracy and Shannon and Ashley used to be mostly male names. Now they’re not. Sometimes it’s because there are masculine and feminine forms of the same name (Alexander and Alexandra) that both use the same nickname (Alex). Interestingly, it’s extremely rare for a name to migrate in the opposite direction. Once a name is feminine, it stays feminine. So eventually all the names will be for girls.

    I knew a couple male Tracys and Shannons as well. :P

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  7. Ed G. Member
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    J.D. Snapp (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    AltarGirl (View Comment):
    Now I had a friend in high school named Lindsay. Now that is a name to get attention…

    My best friend in college was named Kim, the faculty advisor to the film committee was named Lauri, and then department director at my first post-college job was Carol.

    All men.

    I’ve met female Randy’s before. And one Randi.

    I knew a Randi in high school. She was a sweetheart. I also know a few guys named Ashley.

    I knew a Stacey. His brother was Clint. Compensation with the name of child number two? I don’t know, but they were both pretty cool fellas.

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  8. Matt Bartle Member
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    J.D. Snapp (View Comment):
    I also know a few guys named Ashley.

    Real name: Leslie

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  9. Ed G. Member
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    Nick H (View Comment):

     

    Interestingly, it’s extremely rare for a name to migrate in the opposite direction. Once a name is feminine, it stays feminine. 

    That makes sense. Can’t mess around with those cooties.

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  10. TBA Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Any chance the OP will wander over, and respond?

    It’s a mini-boomlet. The last couple of days have seen a couple of somewhat controversial threads which the O/Ps observed from afar.

    These are the people who fart in an elevator and get off at the next floor. 

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  11. Arizona Patriot Member
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    I don’t know anyone (even Conservatives!) who will purposefully misgender someone. If someone presents themselves in a certain way, they going to get treated appropriately.

    Well, now you know one.  I refuse to use a false pronoun, though it has almost never come up other than in posting here at Ricochet.

    What you (or Fred) would call “purposefully misgendering someone,” I would call “speaking the truth” and “refusing to adopt Newspeak.”

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  12. livingthenonScienceFictionlife Inactive
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    TBA (View Comment):

    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Any chance the OP will wander over, and respond?

    It’s a mini-boomlet. The last couple of days have seen a couple of somewhat controversial threads which the O/Ps observed from afar.

    These are the people who fart in an elevator and get off at the next floor.

    Amateurs.  Every professional knows you fart just as you walk off right when the doors about to close.  Timing is everything.

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  13. TheSockMonkey Inactive
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    Fred Cole: You may not realize it, but both intentional deadnaming and misgendering are insensitive at best and offensive at worse.

    This is incorrect. Transgenderism is what is offensive.

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  14. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Only guy I know named Leslie is a big tough fella. I suspect being named “Leslie” forced that result.

    Son, this world is rough
    And if a man’s gonna make it, he’s gotta be tough
    And I know I wouldn’t be there to help ya along
    So I give ya that name and I said goodbye
    I knew you’d have to get tough or die
    And it’s the name that helped to make you strong

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  15. Bob W Member
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    Columbo (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Fred Cole: Yeah, okay. I could try to explain the difference between sex and gender, but that tends to fall on deaf ears among many conservatives. So let me pose a question to those who believe such: Who made you the gender police?

    Oh please dear sir explain. I’m mightily confused. I mean this

    Asexual

    Female to male trans man

    Female to male transgender man

    Female to male transsexual man

    F2M

    Gender neutral

    Hermaphrodite

    Intersex man

    Intersex person

    Intersex woman

    Male to female trans woman

    Male to female transgender woman

    Male to female transsexual woman

    Man

    M2F

    Polygender

    T* man

    T* woman

    Two* person

    Two-spirit person

    Woman

    The list of the 50 previous gender options:

    Agender

    Androgyne

    Androgynes

    Androgynous

    Bigender

    Cis

    Cis Female

    Cis Male

    Cis Man

    Cis Woman

    Cisgender

    Cisgender Female

    Cisgender Male

    Cisgender Man

    Cisgender Woman

    Female to Male

    FTM

    Gender Fluid

    Gender Nonconforming

    Gender Questioning

    Gender Variant

    Genderqueer

    Intersex

    Male to Female

    MTF

    Neither

    Neutrois

    Non-binary

    Other

    Pangender

    Trans

    Trans Female

    Trans Male

    Trans Man

    Trans Person

    Trans*Female

    Trans*Male

    Trans*Man

    Trans*Person

    Trans*Woman

    Transexual

    Transexual Female

    Transexual Male

    Transexual Man

    Transexual Person

    Transexual Woman

    Transgender Female

    Transgender Person

    Transmasculine

    Two-spirit

    Is going to make polite social interaction, not to mention bathroom use a bit complicated

    And … if I understand this all correctly … cannot one change which gender one chooses internally knows themselves to be … each and every 365 (366 in leap years) days of the year? If you can change once, there is no limit, right?

    Which one of these corresponds to a lesbian in a man’s body, which I sometimes suspect I am? 

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  16. J.D. Snapp Coolidge
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    Bob W (View Comment):
    Which one of these corresponds to a lesbian in a man’s body, which I sometimes suspect I am? 

    Lesbian Gendervariant Queer?

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  17. MarciN Member
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    J.D. Snapp (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    I’m pretty sure people try to get names and pronouns correct. This is not a new problem. When women began keeping their maiden name or hyphenating their maiden and married names, things got confusing. Throw a couple of kids in there, and it got even more confusing. Then add a divorce or two and, wow, it got even worse.

    Society went through this transition also when it adopted Ms.: “Do you wish to be called ‘Miss,’ ‘Mrs.,’ or ‘Ms.’?”

    Polite society is grappling with the new forms of address, and mistakes will be made for a while. People should not be offended if they are addressed in a way they don’t wish to be.

    People transitioning from one gender to another should give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

    Truly classy people always put others at ease.

    I’ve been called Ms. a few times after getting married, but I just say “Oh, it’s Mrs. Snapp.” and get back to the conversation. It’s not like I’m offended though.

    That’s what I was trying to say. It shouldn’t be a big deal if people don’t use the form of address a person prefers.

    In fact, it would be good manners for the transitioning person to ignore it rather than make the other person uncomfortable.

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  18. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Hoyacon (View Comment):

    It took awhile for “misgendering” and “deadnaming” to sink in. Just how much time does the left spend thinking up neologisms? And how and when does this happen? Is there a conference or something, or just a single wordsmithing Grand Poobah who issues periodic pronouncements? I’m serious about this.

    And how many ‘conservative’ writers adopt those neologisms?  

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  19. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Jim McConnell (View Comment):

    Fred, is it significant in your post that you refer to conservatives in the third person instead of in the first-person plural?

    Fred’s an anarcho-capitalist. He’s not a conservative.

    Plenty of anarcho-capitalists are not social and cultural progressives.  ‘Liberaltarian’ might be a better term.

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  20. KentForrester Inactive
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    I’ve read that all women are lesbians by nature.  That is, if all males were to disappear, they would get along just fine sexually.  Is that right?  

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  21. AltarGirl Inactive
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    KentForrester (View Comment):

    I’ve read that all women are lesbians by nature. That is, if all males were to disappear, they would get along just fine sexually. Is that right?

    lol… well, we have male surrogates in a variety of fruits and vegetables, so probably. =p

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  22. lowtech redneck Coolidge
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    KentForrester (View Comment):

    I’ve read that all women are lesbians by nature. 

    I’m pretty sure that’s something college-age men made up to make parties more interesting.

     

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  23. Herbert defender of the Realm,… Member
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    The problem with mis pronouning people (labeling them other than what they claim or appear from outward appearance), is that you are guessing at what someone’s genitalia looks like.   It’s much simpler to just assume they are correct in what they claim to be…..

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  24. KentForrester Inactive
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    AltarGirl (View Comment):

    KentForrester (View Comment):

    I’ve read that all women are lesbians by nature. That is, if all males were to disappear, they would get along just fine sexually. Is that right?

    lol… well, we have male surrogates in a variety of fruits and vegetables, so probably. =p

    AltarGirl, you are so naughty.  I’m not sure that AltarGirl should be your nom de plume

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  25. AltarGirl Inactive
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    Herbert defender of the Realm,… (View Comment):

    The problem with mis pronouning people (labeling them other than what they claim or appear from outward appearance), is that you are guessing at what someone’s genitalia looks like. It’s much simpler to just assume they are correct in what they claim to be…..

    or to be gracious when someone uses the wrong one.

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  26. AltarGirl Inactive
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    KentForrester (View Comment):

    AltarGirl (View Comment):

    KentForrester (View Comment):

    I’ve read that all women are lesbians by nature. That is, if all males were to disappear, they would get along just fine sexually. Is that right?

    lol… well, we have male surrogates in a variety of fruits and vegetables, so probably. =p

    AltarGirl, you are so naughty. I’m not sure that AltarGirl should be your nom de plume.

    ha ha. See SQ’s post on names and you’ll know the Altar part wasn’t meant for reference to the God I worship =p

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  27. Ed G. Member
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    KentForrester (View Comment):

    I’ve read that all women are lesbians by nature. That is, if all males were to disappear, they would get along just fine sexually. Is that right?

    Penthouse Letters doesn’t count as an authoritative source Kent.

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  28. TRibbey Inactive
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    KentForrester (View Comment):

    I’ve read that all women are lesbians by nature. That is, if all males were to disappear, they would get along just fine sexually. Is that right?

    Penthouse Letters doesn’t count as an authoritative source Kent.

    Does this mean I was lied to about sorority sleepovers?

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  29. KentForrester Inactive
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    Ed G. (View Comment):

    KentForrester (View Comment):

    I’ve read that all women are lesbians by nature. That is, if all males were to disappear, they would get along just fine sexually. Is that right?

    Penthouse Letters doesn’t count as an authoritative source Kent.

    It doesn’t?  I’ve been using it for years as the authoritative source for all things naughty. (Ed, we may be dating ourselves.  Is Penthouse still publishing?)

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  30. Basil Fawlty Member
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    KentForrester (View Comment):

    I’ve read that all women are lesbians by nature. That is, if all males were to disappear, they would get along just fine sexually. Is that right?

    Yes. Until they disappeared.

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