Conservatives, Common Courtesy, and the Gender Police

 

Transgender issues seem to be a tricky thing for many conservatives. (And it’s only going to get worse.) For example, a conservative told me the other day that “Misgendering is not a thing.” If you’re not hip to the lingo, misgendering is when you call someone by a gender label other than what they identify as. Like, if you call a lady “sir.” And it can be done accidentally or on purpose. People who care about transgender issues tend to (rightly so) get worked up about it, especially when it is done intentionally.

They also get worked up about “deadnaming.” That’s when you refer to a person who has transitioned by their pre-transition name. I see both misgendering and deadnaming occur here regularly on Ricochet anytime someone brings up Caitlyn Jenner. You may not realize it, but both intentional deadnaming and misgendering are insensitive at best and offensive at worse.

Now, I understand why conservatives do this. They’re taking a stand to preserve what they see as objective reality. If you have a penis, you’re a man, after all. To deny that damages reality or something, so it must stop here and now. This far and no further. Ils ne passeront pas!

Yeah, okay. I could try to explain the difference between sex and gender, but that tends to fall on deaf ears among many conservatives. So let me pose a question to those who believe such: Who made you the gender police?  

For those of you taking this stand, I suspect you don’t really want the job of being the gender police, because at the end of the day the only way to know for sure is to reach into someone’s pants and check.

Now, I don’t deny that minding everyone else’s business is a time-honored conservative tradition, but it directly conflicts with another equally time-honored and very American tradition: Live and let live. Still another conservative tradition this gender police mindset conflicts with: basic common courtesy.

There aren’t a lot of Freds in the world. There was only one other in my high school. And, unlike me, he wasn’t a Frederick, he was Ferdinand. But he went by Fred, and didn’t much care to be called Ferdinand, so that’s what we called him. This is pretty common. Lots of people go by names other than their birth names. To call someone by their birth name after they’ve expressed a clear preference to the contrary would just be rude. That is what intentional misgendering is: rude. It’s calling someone by the wrong term, even when you know better.

Intentional misgendering is also supremely arrogant. Setting aside transgender people, there’s a non-trivial percentage of people in our daily lives where you can’t easily identify their gender. There are men with gentle features, there are women who look masculine, and there are people who are androgynous in appearance, either by choice or because that’s just how God made them. When I encounter such a person, I stay neutral until I know what pronoun to use with them. The alternative is to flip a coin, take a guess, and make a horse’s ass of yourself if you’re wrong, embarrassing both you and the other person.

Look, you’re welcome to your opinions and far be it for me to stop you from expressing them. That’s not my goal. But when you intentionally misgender someone or deadname them, it’s disrespectful and discourteous. You don’t need to be the one person who tries to push back the tide. You’re not going to make the difference and not enough people care to make your effort worthwhile.

These issues are all in flux right now. It’s still going to be a few years before norms and customs settle down. But in the meantime, it’s no excuse for rudeness and discourtesy to make some kind of quixotic point. You’re better off being civil to people.

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  1. Henry Racette Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    You often see this kind of usage of “their”:

    “Whichever person is chosen will be asked to give their name and address.”

    I like the challenge of writing around it:

    “If you are chosen you will be asked to give your name and address.”

    “Whoever is chosen will be asked to give a name and address.”

    I get that. I rarely end a sentence with a preposition, and I always use the Oxford comma, because I am a civilized man.

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  2. Miffed White Male Member
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    AltarGirl (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Where do we draw the line at condoning, and ignoring mental illness?

     

    How about here?

    52 yo Canadian father of 7 lives as transgender 6 year old….

    Here’s a link so Fred won’t have to ask.

    Six year olds shouldn’t be using pacifiers.

    He’s not 6.  He’s 52.

     

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  3. Miffed White Male Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    You often see this kind of usage of “their”:

    “Whichever person is chosen will be asked to give their name and address.”

    I like the challenge of writing around it:

    “If you are chosen you will be asked to give your name and address.”

    “Whoever is chosen will be asked to give a name and address.”

     

    “a” name and address?  Ok, I’m chosen. 

    Charles Brown, 12 snoopy way, anytown USA

    I’ve fulfilled your mandate.

     

     

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  4. DrewInWisconsin Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    You often see this kind of usage of “their”:

    “Whichever person is chosen will be asked to give their name and address.”

    I like the challenge of writing around it:

    “If you are chosen you will be asked to give your name and address.”

    “Whoever is chosen will be asked to give a name and address.”

     

    “a” name and address? Ok, I’m chosen.

    Charles Brown, 12 snoopy way, anytown USA

    I’ve fulfilled your mandate.

     

     

    I knew some smart— would do that. ; )

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  5. Miffed White Male Member
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    You often see this kind of usage of “their”:

    “Whichever person is chosen will be asked to give their name and address.”

    I like the challenge of writing around it:

    “If you are chosen you will be asked to give your name and address.”

    “Whoever is chosen will be asked to give a name and address.”

     

    “a” name and address? Ok, I’m chosen.

    Charles Brown, 12 snoopy way, anytown USA

    I’ve fulfilled your mandate.

     

     

    I knew some smart— would do that. ; )

    If you’re going to “write around it”, you better make sure it says what you intend.

     

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  6. Randy Webster Inactive
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    KentForrester (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    KentForrester (View Comment):
    You’ve reminded us often that you’re a Reagan Republican. Have you examined your allegiance to Reagan lately?

    I think you’re confusing Fred with Gary Robbins. I’m not sure Fred was old enough to vote when Reagan ran.

    Edit: I’ve met Fred a couple of times. I’d guess he’s in his mid to late 30’s.

    I did confuse the two. Sorry. I just drank a beer and smoked a joint. I therefore was addled when I wrote that. I’ve got to remember: one or the other, Kent. Not both at the same time.

    No need to apologize.  I’ve been addled before.

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  7. Cato Rand Inactive
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    Annefy (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Calling someone by their preferred name I have no problem with, we do it all the time. If Bruce Jenner wants to change his name to John Jenner or Bartleby Jenner or Starshine Jenner or Caitlyn Jenner its common courtesy to call them by the name they claim for themselves. We literally do this for every human being on earth regardless of gender.

    Calling someone by pronouns that do not match their sex/gender (I have not been convinced these are different things) is not something I’m terribly interested in. I will call you by the pronouns I perceive you to be. If you are a transgendered woman and I can’t tell that you have a penis I’ll probably call you “she”, if you have five o’clock shadow and a voice deeper than mine I’ll probably call you “he”. If you correct me and ask nicely that I use your preferred pronoun I’ll call you by your preferred pronoun out of common courtesy. If you act like most leftists when confronted with “misgendering” and scream at me or berate me for my insensitivity then you can go to hell and I’ll probably keep calling you by the pronoun I perceive as a reflection of the courtesy you just showed me.

    Jamie gets this exactly correct.

    I don’t know anyone (even Conservatives!) who will purposefully misgender someone. If someone presents themselves in a certain way, they going to get treated appropriately.

    The only time I’ve seen someone act in confusion is at a hotel when someone’s driver’s license didn’t match the way the person presented themselves. Imagine a very awkward, unattractive person, short hair, wisp of a moustache, wearing a headband, sports bra, sun dress and Birkenstocks … and a driver’s license that identified this person as male.

    While the clerk looked from the DL to the person, I could feel the person’s mother literally coiling up for a fight.

    It’s rare that you use a pronoun to someone’s face – I haven’t found it a problem when I’m in Reed’s company. First name usually suffices. (Writing is a lot harder.)

    BTW, this person I’m talking about has not been invited to family functions as planned. I have young nieces and nephews and I know them well enough to know there would be confusion and misspeaking as they had known Reed before s/he began to dress as a female. I also knew Reed was not going to be gracious about it, and if Reed’s mother heard about any confusion, there would be hell to pay.

    On a personal note, I never told my kids “not to stare”. Whether it was a guy with a beard in a dress (happened more than once), someone in a wheelchair or physical malady; whatever: I simply demanded they smile while they were staring.

    I’m sorry to hear that.  I think “don’t stare” is good advice that should be in every mother’s handbook.  I’m glad mine had it.

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  8. Locke On Member
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    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Try being man in America with the name Jamie.

    Just gotta work on the ‘stache…

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  9. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    AltarGirl (View Comment):
    Now I had a friend in high school named Lindsay. Now that is a name to get attention…

    My best friend in college was named Kim, the faculty advisor to the film committee was named Lauri, and then department director at my first post-college job was Carol.

    All men.

    I’ve met female Randy’s before.  And one Randi.

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  10. Miffed White Male Member
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    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    AltarGirl (View Comment):
    Now I had a friend in high school named Lindsay. Now that is a name to get attention…

    My best friend in college was named Kim, the faculty advisor to the film committee was named Lauri, and then department director at my first post-college job was Carol.

    All men.

    I’ve met female Randy’s before. And one Randi.

    I’ve met some randy females myself.

     

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  11. Randy Webster Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    Randy Webster (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    AltarGirl (View Comment):
    Now I had a friend in high school named Lindsay. Now that is a name to get attention…

    My best friend in college was named Kim, the faculty advisor to the film committee was named Lauri, and then department director at my first post-college job was Carol.

    All men.

    I’ve met female Randy’s before. And one Randi.

    I’ve met some randy females myself.

     

    Yeah, yeah.

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  12. Annefy Member
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    Cato Rand (View Comment):

    Annefy (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Calling someone by their preferred name I have no problem with, we do it all the time. If Bruce Jenner wants to change his name to John Jenner or Bartleby Jenner or Starshine Jenner or Caitlyn Jenner its common courtesy to call them by the name they claim for themselves. We literally do this for every human being on earth regardless of gender.

    Calling someone by pronouns that do not match their sex/gender (I have not been convinced these are different things) is not something I’m terribly interested in. I will call you by the pronouns I perceive you to be. If you are a transgendered woman and I can’t tell that you have a penis I’ll probably call you “she”, if you have five o’clock shadow and a voice deeper than mine I’ll probably call you “he”. If you correct me and ask … snip

    Jamie gets this exactly correct.

    I don’t know anyone (even Conservatives!) who will purposefully misgender someone. If someone presents themselves in a certain way, they going to get treated appropriately.

    The only time I’ve seen someone act in confusion is at a hotel when someone’s driver’s license didn’t match the way the person presented themselves. Imagine a very awkward, unattractive person, short hair, wisp of a moustache, wearing a headband, sports bra, sun dress and Birkenstocks … and a driver’s license that identified this person as male.

    While the clerk looked from the DL to the person, I could feel the person’s mother literally coiling up for a fight.

    It’s rare that you use a pronoun to someone’s face – I haven’t found it a problem when I’m in Reed’s company. First name usually suffices. (Writing is a lot harder.)

    BTW, this person I’m talking about has not been invited to family functions as planned. I have young nieces and nephews and I know them well enough to know there would be confusion and misspeaking as they had known Reed before s/he began to dress as a female. I also knew Reed was not going to be gracious about it, and if Reed’s mother heard about any confusion, there would be hell to pay.

    On a personal note, I never told my kids “not to stare”. Whether it was a guy with a beard in a dress (happened more than once), someone in a wheelchair or physical malady; whatever: I simply demanded they smile while they were staring.

    I’m sorry to hear that. I think “don’t stare” is good advice that should be in every mother’s handbook. I’m glad mine had it.

    It’s definitely good advice. But like all the advice I gave (for that matter, give) it was never followed. 

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  13. Quake Voter Inactive
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    Fred Cole: You don’t need to be the one person who tries to push back the tide. You’re not going to make the difference and not enough people care to make your effort worthwhile.

    Fred Cole actually wrote this.

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  14. AltarGirl Inactive
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    AltarGirl (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Where do we draw the line at condoning, and ignoring mental illness?

     

    How about here?

    52 yo Canadian father of 7 lives as transgender 6 year old….

    Here’s a link so Fred won’t have to ask.

    Six year olds shouldn’t be using pacifiers.

    He’s not 6. He’s 52.

     

    Don’t be bigoted, MWM. It’s rude.

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  15. Cato Rand Inactive
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    Jager (View Comment):
    Facebook has like 57 “‘genders”.

    I think this is an urban legend.  Either that or they did have more at one time and then reverted.  I just checked my Facebook page and tried to change my gender.  It offered “Male” and “Female” and then the option of inserting your own preference under “Custom.” 

    Of course this may just be an acknowledgement that even Facebook can’t keep up with the proliferation.

    Fair Warning:  Don’t try this at home.  I stopped before actually inserting a new gender.  If you don’t, Facebook is going to notify everyone you know that you’ve transitioned into a gyragirl.

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  16. AltarGirl Inactive
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    Cato Rand (View Comment):
    gyragirl

    You should be hired for creating new genders.

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  17. TBA Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):

    Henry Racette (View Comment):

    You often see this kind of usage of “their”:

    “Whichever person is chosen will be asked to give their name and address.”

    I like the challenge of writing around it:

    “If you are chosen you will be asked to give your name and address.”

    “Whoever is chosen will be asked to give a name and address.”

    Much easier than speaking around it, though. 

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  18. Locke On Member
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    AltarGirl (View Comment):

    Cato Rand (View Comment):
    gyragirl

    You should be hired for creating new genders.

    So it’s like those odd designer names for colors at the paint store? 

    I once had our house painted in ‘Tadpole’.  Perhaps that’d be a good one for that creature up-thread?

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  19. TBA Coolidge
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I’m pretty sure people try to get names and pronouns correct. This is not a new problem. When women began keeping their maiden name or hyphenating their maiden and married names, things got confusing. Throw a couple of kids in there, and it got even more confusing. Then add a divorce or two and, wow, it got even worse.

    Society went through this transition also when it adopted Ms.: “Do you wish to be called ‘Miss,’ ‘Mrs.,’ or ‘Ms.’?”

    Polite society is grappling with the new forms of address, and mistakes will be made for a while. People should not be offended if they are addressed in a way they don’t wish to be.

    People transitioning from one gender to another should give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

    Truly classy people always put others at ease.

    It occurs to me that the more options available, the more mistakes will be made. Yay. 

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  20. MarciN Member
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    I don’t think the psychiatrists are treating this problem with the best interests of their patients in mind. I don’t understand the treatment goal. So I feel very sorry for the people who have this problem. I think they are being exploited for political purposes. 

     

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  21. James Lileks Contributor
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    Any chance the OP will wander over, and respond? 

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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    Any chance the OP will wander over, and respond?

    Hah ! That’s a good one. As if a response would add anything more but the same superciliousness of the OP.

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  23. Cato Rand Inactive
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    AltarGirl (View Comment):

    Cato Rand (View Comment):
    gyragirl

    You should be hired for creating new genders.

    No, I just googled “weird gender identities” to find an example and that was among the many I found.

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  24. Cato Rand Inactive
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    Locke On (View Comment):

    AltarGirl (View Comment):

    Cato Rand (View Comment):
    gyragirl

    You should be hired for creating new genders.

    So it’s like those odd designer names for colors at the paint store?

    I once had our house painted in ‘Tadpole’. Perhaps that’d be a good one for that creature up-thread?

    Funny you should go to colors.  Apparently some gender identities are color related.  I can’t claim to understand that, but to each his (her/ze/zir) own.

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  25. Kozak Member
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    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    AltarGirl (View Comment):

    Kozak (View Comment):

    Where do we draw the line at condoning, and ignoring mental illness?

     

    How about here?

    52 yo Canadian father of 7 lives as transgender 6 year old….

    Here’s a link so Fred won’t have to ask.

    Six year olds shouldn’t be using pacifiers.

    He’s not 6. He’s 52.

     

    Not according to Fred and like minded folk.

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  26. Peter Gøthgen Member
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    James Lileks (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin (View Comment):
    just another variety of normal.

    Everything is now “normal,” since the word has come to mean “acceptable within the current parameters of society (subject to later change and revision as need be.)” Normal used to be “most common,” as in “it’s normal to have ten fingers,” and now it’s “there’s nothing wrong with having nine fingers, so you can’t say ten is normal.” There’s a whiff of judgment in “abnormal,” and since that can’t be tolerated, abnormality has to be celebrated as a wonderful new variant that enriches us all.

    Starting point: don’t consider someone with nine fingers to be any less of a human being deserving of basic respect

    End result: California passes laws requiring stores to stock an equal number of ten- and nine-finger gloves

    My favorite quote about normalcy is from Malcolm McDowell’s character in Star Trek: Generations – “Normal is what everyone else is and you are not”

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  27. Kozak Member
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    Fred Cole: Yeah, okay. I could try to explain the difference between sex and gender, but that tends to fall on deaf ears among many conservatives. So let me pose a question to those who believe such: Who made you the gender police?

    Oh please dear sir explain.  I’m mightily confused.  I mean this 

     

    Asexual

    Female to male trans man

    Female to male transgender man

    Female to male transsexual man

    F2M

    Gender neutral

    Hermaphrodite

    Intersex man

    Intersex person

    Intersex woman

    Male to female trans woman

    Male to female transgender woman

    Male to female transsexual woman

    Man

    M2F

    Polygender

    T* man

    T* woman

    Two* person

    Two-spirit person

    Woman

    The list of the 50 previous gender options:

    Agender

    Androgyne

    Androgynes

    Androgynous

    Bigender

    Cis

    Cis Female

    Cis Male

    Cis Man

    Cis Woman

    Cisgender

    Cisgender Female

    Cisgender Male

    Cisgender Man

    Cisgender Woman

    Female to Male

    FTM

    Gender Fluid

    Gender Nonconforming

    Gender Questioning

    Gender Variant

    Genderqueer

    Intersex

    Male to Female

    MTF

    Neither

    Neutrois

    Non-binary

    Other

    Pangender

    Trans

    Trans Female

    Trans Male

    Trans Man

    Trans Person

    Trans*Female

    Trans*Male

    Trans*Man

    Trans*Person

    Trans*Woman

    Transexual

    Transexual Female

    Transexual Male

    Transexual Man

    Transexual Person

    Transexual Woman

    Transgender Female

    Transgender Person

    Transmasculine

    Two-spirit

    Is going to make polite social interaction, not to mention bathroom use a bit complicated 

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  28. Matt Bartle Member
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    I think this is

    10% concern for people who don’t fit in

    90% delight in the exercise of power: “You know that thing you’ve thought and said all your life, that was normal and used by everyone, well it’s now wrong and you can’t say it anymore. I have deemed something else to be the only acceptable way to speak, and you must comply.”

    “And next week it will be something else so that you will always be wrong and out of date. What’s that I see in your hand? A plastic straw!?”

     

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  29. Columbo Inactive
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    Kozak (View Comment):

    Fred Cole: Yeah, okay. I could try to explain the difference between sex and gender, but that tends to fall on deaf ears among many conservatives. So let me pose a question to those who believe such: Who made you the gender police?

    Oh please dear sir explain. I’m mightily confused. I mean this

    Asexual

    Female to male trans man

    Female to male transgender man

    Female to male transsexual man

    F2M

    Gender neutral

    Hermaphrodite

    Intersex man

    Intersex person

    Intersex woman

    Male to female trans woman

    Male to female transgender woman

    Male to female transsexual woman

    Man

    M2F

    Polygender

    T* man

    T* woman

    Two* person

    Two-spirit person

    Woman

    The list of the 50 previous gender options:

    Agender

    Androgyne

    Androgynes

    Androgynous

    Bigender

    Cis

    Cis Female

    Cis Male

    Cis Man

    Cis Woman

    Cisgender

    Cisgender Female

    Cisgender Male

    Cisgender Man

    Cisgender Woman

    Female to Male

    FTM

    Gender Fluid

    Gender Nonconforming

    Gender Questioning

    Gender Variant

    Genderqueer

    Intersex

    Male to Female

    MTF

    Neither

    Neutrois

    Non-binary

    Other

    Pangender

    Trans

    Trans Female

    Trans Male

    Trans Man

    Trans Person

    Trans*Female

    Trans*Male

    Trans*Man

    Trans*Person

    Trans*Woman

    Transexual

    Transexual Female

    Transexual Male

    Transexual Man

    Transexual Person

    Transexual Woman

    Transgender Female

    Transgender Person

    Transmasculine

    Two-spirit

    Is going to make polite social interaction, not to mention bathroom use a bit complicated

    And … if I understand this all correctly … cannot one change which gender one chooses internally knows themselves to be … each and every 365 (366 in leap years) days of the year? If you can change once, there is no limit, right?

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  30. Matt Bartle Member
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    It would help if the enlightened could just publish a dictionary of the things we’re allowed to say in this new way of speaking. Next year they can publish an updated one, which I understand will be smaller.

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