Like this post? Want to comment? Join Ricochet’s community of conservatives and be part of the conversation. Join Ricochet for Free.

There are 145 comments.

Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.
  1. Spin Coolidge
    Spin
    @Spin

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    It can be simultaneously true that Scott Pruitt did some good things and that he was a corrupt swamp creature. 

    It can also be true that you take the good with the bad.  Take you for instance…well, no.  Not a good example. 

    • #31
  2. Fred Cole Inactive
    Fred Cole
    @FredCole

    Spin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    It can be simultaneously true that Scott Pruitt did some good things and that he was a corrupt swamp creature.

    It can also be true that you take the good with the bad. Take you for instance…well, no. Not a good example.

    The problem is that the corruption is a stain. It stains the Republican Party. It’ll also make it harder to have a conservative EPA director in the future, because Pruitt, with his attending scandals, is now the model of a conservative EPA director. 

    • #32
  3. Jamie Lockett Inactive
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    Spin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    It can be simultaneously true that Scott Pruitt did some good things and that he was a corrupt swamp creature.

    It can also be true that you take the good with the bad. Take you for instance…well, no. Not a good example.

    Corruption is the root of most problems when it comes to government. 

    • #33
  4. C. U. Douglas Thatcher
    C. U. Douglas
    @CUDouglas

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    He spent $43,000 to create a soundproof booth in his office.

    Well, if I were surrounded by a staff of 99% Democrats who get paid to leak stuff to a hostile media, I might want some protection, sound-proof and otherwise.

    Is it unethical for Pruitt’s wife to have ANY job in Washington?

    “far below market rates”

    I was just listening to Rush Limbaugh recap the Ted Stevens case this week. The accusation was “far below market rates” when the contractor was actually charging double.

    And it was the Bush administration Justice Department which ran Ted Stevens out of office — which gave us Obamacare.

    Republican-appointed EPA administrators who endorsed Hillary Clinton:

    1. William K. Reilly
    2. Christine Todd Whitman
    3. William Ruckelshaus

    Scott Pruitt was actually a conservative EPA administrator. That may never happen again.

    Read instead Kevin Williamson’s December 31 profile of Scott Pruitt:

    https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2017/12/31/scott-pruitts-epa-reformation-re-shaping-agency/

    Neil Gorsuch’s mother was also EPA chief. I think she was run out of town too.

    It can be simultaneously true that Scott Pruitt did some good things and that he was a corrupt swamp creature.

    Exactly. Knowing that anyone Trump picks will face overwhelming opposition to even lift a finger, it is wisest to pick someone who is keenly aware of this and still willing to move forth with the good reforms Pruitt set forth.

    • #34
  5. EHerring Coolidge
    EHerring
    @EHerring

    If the acting guy, a coal guy, continues the same policies, or is even tougher, it won’t matter.  Dems were celebrating the victory until they realized who the acting guy is.

    • #35
  6. Jamie Lockett Inactive
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    Here is where we find out if Trump and his supporters really meant it when they said “drain the swamp”. Are you defending a swamp creature because “he’s on my team” or do you think we should put someone in there that isn’t corrupt and will continue the same policies. 

    • #36
  7. Spin Coolidge
    Spin
    @Spin

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    It can be simultaneously true that Scott Pruitt did some good things and that he was a corrupt swamp creature.

    It can also be true that you take the good with the bad. Take you for instance…well, no. Not a good example.

    Corruption is the root of most problems when it comes to government.

    Government is the root of most problems when it comes to government.  

    • #37
  8. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    It can be simultaneously true that Scott Pruitt did some good things and that he was a corrupt swamp creature.

    If Pruitt is a corrupt swamp creature, what’s to be said of the EPA staffers and their media allies who forced him out? They just live in a different part of the swamp.

    • #38
  9. Jamie Lockett Inactive
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    It can be simultaneously true that Scott Pruitt did some good things and that he was a corrupt swamp creature.

    If Pruitt is a corrupt swamp creature, what’s to be said of the EPA staffers and their media allys who forced him out? They just live in a different part of the swamp.

    No one forced Pruitt to abuse the trappings of his office. That’s what forced him out. 

    • #39
  10. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
    The Cloaked Gaijin
    @TheCloakedGaijin

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    It can be simultaneously true that Scott Pruitt did some good things and that he was a corrupt swamp creature.

    Heck, he just got there!

    Pruitt seems to have been a politician for about 20 years, but he was actually fighting against the Leftist cult religion unlike Amnesty Paul Ryan.

    I wouldn’t call Paul Ryan a swamp creature, but you’re the one who started the name-calling.

    Pruitt quickly learned that he was going to have a target on his back.

    So far only Steve Scalise has been shot.  I pray it stays that way.  The Left has really been foaming at the mouth the last few weeks.

    • #40
  11. Jamie Lockett Inactive
    Jamie Lockett
    @JamieLockett

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    It can be simultaneously true that Scott Pruitt did some good things and that he was a corrupt swamp creature.

    Heck, he just got there!

    Pruitt seems to have been a politician for about 20 years, but he was actually fighting against the Leftist cult religion unlike Amnesty Paul Ryan.

    I wouldn’t call Paul Ryan a swamp creature, but you’re the one who started the name-calling.

    Pruitt quickly learned that he was going to have a target on his back.

    So far only Steve Scalise has been shot. I pray it stays that way. The Left has really been foaming at the mouth the last few weeks.

    Okay do you want to refute the charges of corruption leveled at Pruitt or just counter leftists foaming with your own?

    • #41
  12. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
    The Cloaked Gaijin
    @TheCloakedGaijin

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Okay do you want to refute the charges of corruption leveled at Pruitt or just counter leftists foaming with your own?

    Refute the charges?

    “Why am I on trial?”

    He was accused of what?  Asking someone to buy him hand lotion?

    Hand Lotion-gate 2018?

    What Pruitt did was either legal or illegal.  If what he did was not illegal, this sets a bad precedent.

    • #42
  13. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Basil Fawlty (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    It can be simultaneously true that Scott Pruitt did some good things and that he was a corrupt swamp creature.

    If Pruitt is a corrupt swamp creature, what’s to be said of the EPA staffers and their media allys who forced him out? They just live in a different part of the swamp.

    No one forced Pruitt to abuse the trappings of his office. That’s what forced him out.

    If Pruitt is a swamp creature, then he was forced out by his fellow swamp creatures. 

    • #43
  14. Spin Coolidge
    Spin
    @Spin

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Okay do you want to refute the charges of corruption leveled at Pruitt or just counter leftists foaming with your own?

    Refute the charges?

    “Why am I on trial?”

    He was accused of what? Asking someone to buy him hand lotion?

    Hand Lotion-gate 2018?

    What Pruitt did was either legal or illegal. If what he did was not illegal, this sets a bad precedent.

    What he did was wrong…I don’t know if it was illegal.  

    But…it wasn’t “used the FBI to make sure someone didn’t get elected” wrong.

    • #44
  15. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
    The Cloaked Gaijin
    @TheCloakedGaijin

    Blood in the water.

    “Now that Pruitt has resigned, it’s time to look at the alleged insider trading of Wilbur Ross. …  SpeakerRyan & House Republicans have failed on their oversight responsibilities.” — Congressman Ted Lieu, 2:14 PM

    Well, that was fast.

    It’s like they have a list…

     

    • #45
  16. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    The Cloaked Gaijin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    It can be simultaneously true that Scott Pruitt did some good things and that he was a corrupt swamp creature.

    Heck, he just got there!

    Pruitt seems to have been a politician for about 20 years, but he was actually fighting against the Leftist cult religion unlike Amnesty Paul Ryan.

    I wouldn’t call Paul Ryan a swamp creature, but you’re the one who started the name-calling.

    Pruitt quickly learned that he was going to have a target on his back.

    So far only Steve Scalise has been shot. I pray it stays that way. The Left has really been foaming at the mouth the last few weeks.

    Okay do you want to refute the charges of corruption leveled at Pruitt or just counter leftists foaming with your own?

    But, but what if the charges of corruption are just leftist foaming?

    • #46
  17. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
    The Cloaked Gaijin
    @TheCloakedGaijin

    “Scott Pruitt is a good friend and a very good man, caricatured by left and MSM. I hope he sets to work on a memoir ASAP and deals out a tenth of what he took. He’s a man of great faith and perseverance so he probably won’t, but the attacks on his family were unconscionable.” — Hugh Hewitt

    • #47
  18. philo Member
    philo
    @philo

    C. U. Douglas (View Comment): Knowing that anyone Trump picks will face overwhelming opposition to even lift a finger, it is wisest to pick someone who is…

    Or…maybe pick no one.  This seems like as good a time as any to just shut the place down.  Let’s start tomorrow with an agency wide furlough for the remainder of the year…or until a replacement is confirmed.  Game on suckers…

    • #48
  19. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    Given the harassment of Trump officials in restaurants and other public places, is it really evidence of corruption that an EPA Administrator brought along agency security while he’s off duty?

    • #49
  20. E. Kent Golding Member
    E. Kent Golding
    @EKentGolding

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    The (apathetic) King Prawn (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Good, he has proven to be corrupt in a cartoonish way.

    Please explain further.

    He enlisted an EPA staffer to help his wife secure a Chick-fil-A franchise.

    He spent $43,000 to create a soundproof booth in his office.

    He regularly traveled first class on airlines at taxpayer expense.

    He took a security detail on personal trips.

    He rented a DC Condo from the wife an energy lobbyist for far below market rates.

    He gave raises to EPA staffers without going through standard processes.

    His policy proposals were great and his work to pare back regulations was also very good, but he was corrupt and we can do better. This is especially true of a President who vowed to drain the swamp.

    I guess so. Sounds like typical DC crap to me.

    That’s exactly the problem. Secondarily, any R has to be perfect, but Ds can get away with almost anything because we know they have no principles.

    Please. If that happened under a Democratic administration, Republicans would have been all over it.

    Yes, the Republicans would have been all over it.   The Media would have ignored it ( like fast and furious, using the IRS against the Tea Party, Bengazi,  etc. ).  But the Republicans would have been all over it.

    • #50
  21. OmegaPaladin Moderator
    OmegaPaladin
    @OmegaPaladin

    Like all of Ricochet, this boils down to which side are you on.  I already knew the responses before reading the thread.  Everyone knows my response , so why go into detail

    • #51
  22. Columbo Member
    Columbo
    @Columbo

    Spin (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    The only thing unprecedented is the Left’s vicious and unrelenting attacks on a sitting Cabinet member and his family.

    Explain further, please.

    Well, Spin … may I call you Spin? … you see I start out with a premise. And my premise is this. No matter who the Republican is … they’re Genghis (jen jis if youre John F’ng Kerry) Kahn to the dems. I mean whether its Donald Trump, Scott Pruitt or even meek mild milquetoast Mitt (or George), they are the second coming of Hitler to the dems.

    Scott Pruitt drew their ire first. Just because of his perspective and viewpoint on the idiocy at the EPA was sympatico with the President’s. And he was on a mission to fundamentally transform the EPA. And so people like the Greenpeace, Sierra Club, EarthFirst!, NRDC, EDF, FOE and their eco-terrorist buddies got together on the Sea Shepherd and put out a “hit” on Scott Pruitt.

    These guys play tougher than the Little Red Hen and they used resources in the DOJ/CIA/NSA/EPA to spy on Scott Pruitt. They even had embedded spies in the EPA ratting on him. I mean who doesn’t love a conspiracy, right? It could have happened.

    So, Scott Pruitt got the Sarah Sanders treatment on steroids. And this was before he even was confirmed. Before any of the scandals. Yes, he gave them plenty of ammunition to get their scalp. But those who generally support the GOP should not be cheering too loudly. 

    Even the Old tired gray lady joined in the pile-up. In their zeal, they drug Scott Pruitt’s daughter into their mud pit gutter. So egregious was their slander even they felt the need to write a retraction. Imagine your college-age daughter being ostracized at school because of what her Dad did for a living. Overwhelmed by the non-stop social justice outrage of her peers, she begged her Dad to resign. Not too far fetched for me to believe.

    There’s blood in the water now. Mad Maxine has shrieked out her rebel war yell. It is open season on every member of our President’s cabinet. This is not a good thing for our Republic. No matter how much one hates Donald J. Trump.

    Oh … just one more thing …

    Hey, Maxie, why don’t you go after AG Sessions next. He’s not doing anything right now and we can get a better replacement, methinks.

    If nothing more than to put Rod Weasel Rosenstein in his place and smack that sh*t-eating smirk off his face. 

    • #52
  23. Basil Fawlty Member
    Basil Fawlty
    @BasilFawlty

    Columbo (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Columbo (View Comment):

    The only thing unprecedented is the Left’s vicious and unrelenting attacks on a sitting Cabinet member and his family.

    Explain further, please.

    Well, Spin … may I call you Spin? … you see I start out with a premise. And my premise is this. No matter who the Republican is … they’re Genghis (jen jis if youre John F’ng Kerry) Kahn to the dems. I mean whether its Donald Trump, Scott Pruitt or even meek mild milquetoast Mitt (or George), they are the second coming of Hitler to the dems.

    Scott Pruitt drew their ire first. Just because of his perspective and viewpoint on the idiocy at the EPA was sympatico with the President’s. And he was on a mission to fundamentally transform the EPA. And so people like the Greenpeace, Sierra Club, EarthFirst!, NRDC, EDF, FOE and their eco-terrorist buddies got together on the Sea Shepherd and put out a “hit” on Scott Pruitt.

    These guys play tougher than the Little Red Hen and they used resources in the DOJ/CIA/NSA/EPA to spy on Scott Pruitt. They even had embedded spies in the EPA ratting on him. I mean who doesn’t love a conspiracy, right? It could have happened.

    So, Scott Pruitt got the Sarah Sanders treatment on steroids. And this was before he even was confirmed. Before any of the scandals. Yes, he gave them plenty of ammunition to get their scalp. But those who generally support the GOP should not be cheering too loudly.

    Even the Old tired gray lady joined in the pile-up. In their zeal, they drug Scott Pruitt’s daughter into their mud pit gutter. So egregious was their slander even they felt the need to write a retraction. Imagine your college-age daughter being ostracized at school because of what her Dad did for a living. Overwhelmed by the non-stop social justice outrage of her peers, she begged her Dad to resign. Not too far fetched for me to believe.

    There’s blood in the water now. Mad Maxine has shrieked out her rebel war yell. It is open season on every member of our President’s cabinet. This is not a good thing for our Republic. No matter how much one hates Donald J. Trump.

    Oh … just one more thing …

    Hey, Maxie, why don’t you go after AG Sessions next. He’s not doing anything right now and we can get a better replacement, methinks.

    If nothing more than to put Rod Weasel Rosenstein in his place and smack that sh*t-eating smirk off his face.

    This just about covers it.

    • #53
  24. Matt Y. Inactive
    Matt Y.
    @MattY

    A couple links:

    http://fortune.com/2018/07/05/scott-pruitt-epa-trump-resigns-scandal/

    https://www.axios.com/go-deeper-the-scandals-that-led-to-scott-pruitts-resignation-5e7778c7-3b61-4188-92e1-5d45dc32a1fd.html

    • #54
  25. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Good, he has proven to be corrupt in a cartoonish way.

    Please explain further.

    He enlisted an EPA staffer to help his wife secure a Chick-fil-A franchise.

    He spent $43,000 to create a soundproof booth in his office.

    He regularly traveled first class on airlines at taxpayer expense.

    He took a security detail on personal trips.

    He rented a DC Condo from the wife an energy lobbyist for far below market rates.

    He gave raises to EPA staffers without going through standard processes.

    His policy proposals were great and his work to pare back regulations was also very good, but he was corrupt and we can do better. This is especially true of a President who vowed to drain the swamp.

    Add to that list that he kept a secret calendar to hide meetings from public scrutiny.

    Is that something like keeping a private e-mail server?  

    • #55
  26. The Reticulator Member
    The Reticulator
    @TheReticulator

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Fred Cole (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Spin (View Comment):

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):

    Good, he has proven to be corrupt in a cartoonish way.

    Please explain further.

    He enlisted an EPA staffer to help his wife secure a Chick-fil-A franchise.

    He spent $43,000 to create a soundproof booth in his office.

    He regularly traveled first class on airlines at taxpayer expense.

    He took a security detail on personal trips.

    He rented a DC Condo from the wife an energy lobbyist for far below market rates.

    He gave raises to EPA staffers without going through standard processes.

    His policy proposals were great and his work to pare back regulations was also very good, but he was corrupt and we can do better. This is especially true of a President who vowed to drain the swamp.

    Add to that list that he kept a secret calendar to hide meetings from public scrutiny.

    Is that something like keeping a private e-mail server?

    It’s too bad he was allowed to leave without the administration and Congress using his wrongdoing as a means to bludgeon Democrats for engaging in similar behavior, and without exacting reforms that would keep Democrats from engaging in the same behavior with impunity.  I am not against his losing his job for these things; I am very much against allowing him to lose his job in a way that makes it appear that his behavior was unique.   

    • #56
  27. Randy Webster Member
    Randy Webster
    @RandyWebster

    Jamie Lockett (View Comment):
    He spent $43,000 to create a soundproof booth in his office.

    When he could have just bought a cone of silence.

    • #57
  28. Joseph Stanko Coolidge
    Joseph Stanko
    @JosephStanko

    Was he caught in bed with a dead girl or a live boy?

    • #58
  29. DonG Coolidge
    DonG
    @DonG

    Pruitt got ambushed by his staff.  I am sure that back in Oklahoma he had a staff that was actually out to help him and he was totally unprepared for an agency that was out to destroy him every minute of the day.   All of his expenses were in line with past EPA heads, but that is not good enough.  When you take on the swamp, you must be perfect

    I accept that he was a good stalking horse.  He made a bunch of changes that undid a bunch of total crap Obama inflicted upon us.  Now another person can go in and play nice, because all the hard changes are done.  works for me

    • #59
  30. Simon Templar Inactive
    Simon Templar
    @SimonTemplar

    iWe (View Comment):
    Pruitt was HATED by his people, and they set out to destroy him. They succeeded.

    A retired USMC General (for whom I worked up close and personal for one solid year when we were both in uniform) took a job with the US Olympic committee.  He pushed his staff harder than they liked or were used to.  Somehow or another (I do not know the particulars.) they got him fired/ to resign.

    Yep, stuff like that happens.

     

    • #60
Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.