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120 lb. Women Cannot Throw 240 lb. Men Around – in General*
It is a wrong to feed this false notion to young girls. This is basic science. This is politically motivated crap that pours into our daily lives through movies and other fantasies of the leftist variety. However, there are three recent examples of women in movies who have the true grit to physically and psychologically go up against many men and many manly men, too. Below are shown my three favorite women of these real types in the movies recently (but my heart belongs to Brienne of Tarth, middle … click to see why – UPDATED to higher res video).
From Left to Right: Mary Agnes of “Godless,” Brienne of Tarth from “Game of Thrones” and Jane Cannary from “Deadwood.”
Interestingly, the movies above are all TV series and not single movies – also, they are my top three favorite series with the number 1 slot going to “Game of Thrones,” the number 2 to “Deadwood,” and “Godless” is third. I hadn’t considered this until just now, but it makes sense because the writers, actors and the directors all show some common sense and that helps these movies immensely and it’s almost not fair because common sense is in such short supply in Hollywood.
So, with that background to prove that I’m not a misogynist nor a reactionary, let me show you something to cogitate on. Here, I show the weight classes for boxers. You’ll notice in the lower weight classes that the differences considered significant are in the realm of three to five pounds! Now, these movies over the last couple decades foist the notion that with good training in jujitsu or karate that women can “use the other person’s weight and energy against him.” This is true, but there are practical limits and these limits are different for men than women — in general.*
For one thing, there is the weight distribution difference for men versus women. For the same weight, a man will have more weight in his upper body and the woman will have relatively more weight lower than the man – in general.* Second, muscle tone is better in men than women. If you don’t like this explanation, then at least you can agree that if you watch the women in these fantasy movies they are women who don’t sport great muscle tone (but they do look fabulous) – in general.* But, we are asked to believe that they are just well trained in the arts of taking people down and flipping people.
Next, and probably the most ridiculous, is the ability to take a punch. After that is the ability to give a punch. We are constantly expected to believe that a woman can take a punch from a man who outweighs her by 50 pounds or much more. (This is still true in spite of the fact that I know that this is also true for men fighting men in the movies – there should be many more broken noses and more teeth loosened or knocked out.) Just look at those weight class numbers and realize that they come from a lot of experience over the years and they reflect a very important issue – that of weight in fights. It’s considered unfair to have people outclassed in terms of weight and they know what they are talking about. Don’t forget that boxing classes are based on men who are in shape, very fit, and well-built and even then weight is the all-important parameter, more important than height or arm reach or leg length or weight distribution. Men dominate in all of these classes as compared to women.
Our society, our women teachers (teachers are 76 percent women nowadays!) are teaching about girl power all the time now – it’s everywhere you look. Implicitly, this is done at the expense of boys – else why is it being drummed in so much. If they really were as powerful as boys then they wouldn’t spend so much time on propaganda of this sort. Don’t forget that girls are smart, too. Implicit is the idea that they are smarter – than whom, you ask – well how many other categories are there in children in schools these days?
* In general means to convey the request: please don’t come up with anecdotal evidence to dispute a general proposition – instead, argue with the point being made. I have to add this footnote nowadays with all issues of this type.
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OK, that’s fine — but underlying it is still the history of boxing and it was all about weight classes. You will see weight classes in wrestling, too. These are brawny, bruising occupations and even if the weight difference was 10 or 20 lbs it would demonstrate well what I’m saying. Men on average are 15% heavier than women and that’s 18 lbs than a 120 lb woman. In the movies it is much more common to see a big man going after the supergirl who is lissome and weighs less than 150 lbs.
I know you guys aren’t really arguing with me but thought this is worth defending: this is feminist crap.
Yes, well thought through. They didn’t just fight each other — they had been through seriously harrowing experiences together and Jaime shows his basic true character by defending her in the clinch.
Yes, it is. I think the number is now around 31 different “genders.”
GOT is about fire and ice — both. Tarth is in the south in more pleasant climes.
I will note that the butt-kicking woman has been around for much longer than this complaint, but for vastly different reasons for sure. For example Spenser’s Fairie Queene features the tale of Britomart, a young woman knight disguised as a man. She defeats her fellow questing knights as they test their skills as well as besting villains frequently. This is more for poetry — Britomart’s story centers around chastity. And of course, we can’t forget the Greek stories of the Amazons. It’s an old idea that’s constantly revived and revised for different times.
When I was younger, the (fewer) weight classes were generally separated by 10-12 pounds, which makes sense.
Your points on men vs women are absolutely correct. (With rare exceptions, of course.)
I have heard that in Batman and Robin, the reason Batgirl was introduces is so There could be a fight with Poison Ivy.
And I celebrate this idea of the butt-kicking woman as my examples above demonstrate. The human species is remarkable in its diversity and adaptability and the extreme ends of the female spectrum provide for the larger or stronger or more psychologically fit women (and all combinations of those traits).
The reason for the title of this post is express my disdain for the progressive insistence that it’s possible for every woman to aspire to the more manly traits. They ignore a vast swathe (majority) of women who 1) don’t want to have these traits, 2) want to have children, 3) want to play a very fulfilling role in nurturing in our society (and we really need this) and 4) don’t want to be like men and never did.
Probably my favorite kick-butt movie heroine is Beatrix Kiddo (aka “The Bride”) in the two Kill Bill movies. Uma Thurman does such a great job in those flicks, I wish she’d take her sword and hunt down Harvey Weinstein the same way . . .
This is the very performance that caused me to write this post. Skinny, little (but cute), slight girl who’s a fierce fighter. One of the best examples of what I disdain. I couldn’t even finish the first in the series.
And even when you point that out, they still don’t get that their one data point or anecdote doesn’t automatically invalidate this kind of argument.
It’s not just gender either. I had a discussion with someone who would later be a PhD student that went roughly like this:
Joe: Healthcare in aggregate does not increase life expectancy.
PhD: But, what about vaccines?
Joe: Vaccines, yes, but in aggregate healtcare does not increase life expectancy.
PhD: What about pediatric chemotherapy for children with cancer?
Joe: Do you understand what “in aggregate” means?
PhD: [aggrivated, passive aggressive silence]
Hefty is the key. You need to go even more North than Russians and Vikings. Eventually in the most remote reaches of Siberia they start becoming more like Inuit, but even more Inuit than Inuit.
I said “munchkin” but I was really thinking of the thing from Dunkin Donuts rather people who are merely short. The sphere is the 3D object with the smallest surface area, so that’s what people in those parts of the world gradually start tending to look like.
It’s like that woman that was interviewing Jordon Peterson a few weeks ago didn’t understand what multi varible meant.
I once had a housekeeper who was physically abused by her live in boyfriend. When I found an abuse shelter for her and her three children, they insisted that she take an assertiveness training course as they contended that men were more apt to beat up on submissive women.
Good example. I had a similar one with a fully indoctrinated engineer (with a physics degree, too) and I told him: Generalizations are the beginning of wisdom.
Engineer: That is absurd — there are all kinds of generalizations that are completely false.
Me: Yes and those cases the end of the wisdom cycle shows that the generalization is wrong. However, these single cases don’t invalidate my generalization about generalizations.
And on and on. Many times brainwashed people are told by our elites in countering an argument: Well that’s just a generalization. As though that in itself is a sufficient reply. It might be a generalization but it might be correct — that’s why I said it was the beginning of wisdom. After following the generalization as a starting point one can arrive at the truth but the use of generalizations is what we all use to work in the world.
It’s hopeless to debate ill-educated people.
That seems reasonable. What did you think?
Actually, I was surprised thinking it was just the opposite, but they were professionals who came highly recommended. My housekeeper had a happy ending as staying at the shelter and the course gave her the confidence to make a final break with the jerk in her life. Subsequently, she met a very nice man (at the downtown Seattle library of all places), got married, and moved to Mukilteo.
Abusive men may want to abuse assertive women more, but submissive women are the ones who give them the opportunity.
This is from one of the final episodes of breaking bad… If you think back to season 2, I think its after he has his first encounter with Tuco in the junkyard. (where he lays a beat down on his minion) Jesse and Walter are in the car freaking out, and Walter starts calculating what he needs to make from this venture to set up his family. I think it was a relatively modest sum like $450 000 or $800 000. (modest in comparison to the pile that would later be in the storage locker) I cant find that scene on You Tube.
As I have said the path of Saint Walter to Sinner Walter is what makes the show. At the end is fall was complete, and he was the completely self actualized king pin/monster. Tuco without the muscles.
Thats why the ending has to go the way it did – his fall was complete and the story needed to end with redemption.
Skinny, little, and lithe can move quickly, and that is what she does in the movies (yes, I know it’s fake). Very few brute force moves are shown.
I stopped at two. Makes life simpler . . .
Yes, either implied weakness (submissiveness) or real weakness will open them up to more abuse than would otherwise be there but being submissive when your life or your childrens’ lives are on the line is extremely problematic.
The kind of society we want is one that all people can feel safe — real safety not the snowflake pretend variety of today.
Ah, I see.
I didn’t want to mention this in the original comment, but “PhD” was in fact a woman who did complete her PhD and now spends quite a bit of her time advocating for “equity” for those who provide “#BrownGirlMagic” in STEM fields. So there might be some similar motivated failure to reason happening.
It was either David Steinberg or David Steinbrenner (I get them confused – which one has the big nose?) who did a bit about stereotypes being stereotypes for a reason. Or as he put it “Some Jews *are* good with money!”
“submissive women” arent door mats, they dont cotton abuse more than any other woman would.
And the destructive policies such progressive nonsense produces such as denying the 120 lb woman a tool (firearm) to counter an attack by the 240 lb man.
No kidding.
Except that all fiction is about pretending things that aren’t true. Now you say that you don’t want me to mention Ronda Rousey because she is an exception to the general rule. But the women in these action films are supposed to be exceptions to the general rule. Just as Jason Statham and Vin Diesel are supposed to be exceptions to the general rule. Real people, male or female, aren’t like that. These are fantasies, not documentaries. And if your concern is that girls who see these films will walk away with the impression that they can smack down on men twice their size, then I don’t think you are giving girls enough credit.
Well, at least you are not talking about women characters with super powers. I have heard this same criticism made in that context, and in that context it is especially silly. I have no more problem with the idea that Buffy the Vampire Slayer has super strength than I do with the idea that Jor-El has even greater super strength and can fly to boot.
Your Ronda Rousey is tough and proven and would fit as one my real women as discussed in my post.
Also, I’m not talking about super powers.
Also, I’m not saying that movies are documentaries.
I’m talking about the incessant drumbeat from the feminists for girl power and its expression in movies. If these movies were filled with Ronda Rouseys and women with her muscle tone it might make sense but we don’t see that. We see 120 lb women beating up 240 lb men and it’s implied that these women are able to do this because they take assertiveness training and kickboxing. I’m concerned with the message that is underlying these stories — what is called the subtext.