120 lb. Women Cannot Throw 240 lb. Men Around – in General*

 

It is a wrong to feed this false notion to young girls. This is basic science. This is politically motivated crap that pours into our daily lives through movies and other fantasies of the leftist variety. However, there are three recent examples of women in movies who have the true grit to physically and psychologically go up against many men and many manly men, too. Below are shown my three favorite women of these real types in the movies recently (but my heart belongs to Brienne of Tarth, middle … click to see why – UPDATED to higher res video).

Click to see my excerpt of Brienne as a woman in full. From Left to Right: Mary Agnes of “Godless,” Brienne of Tarth from “Game of Thrones” and Jane Cannary from “Deadwood.”

Interestingly, the movies above are all TV series and not single movies – also, they are my top three favorite series with the number 1 slot going to “Game of Thrones,” the number 2 to “Deadwood,” and “Godless” is third. I hadn’t considered this until just now, but it makes sense because the writers, actors and the directors all show some common sense and that helps these movies immensely and it’s almost not fair because common sense is in such short supply in Hollywood.

So, with that background to prove that I’m not a misogynist nor a reactionary, let me show you something to cogitate on. Here, I show the weight classes for boxers. You’ll notice in the lower weight classes that the differences considered significant are in the realm of three to five pounds! Now, these movies over the last couple decades foist the notion that with good training in jujitsu or karate that women can “use the other person’s weight and energy against him.” This is true, but there are practical limits and these limits are different for men than women — in general.*

For one thing, there is the weight distribution difference for men versus women. For the same weight, a man will have more weight in his upper body and the woman will have relatively more weight lower than the man – in general.* Second, muscle tone is better in men than women. If you don’t like this explanation, then at least you can agree that if you watch the women in these fantasy movies they are women who don’t sport great muscle tone (but they do look fabulous) – in general.* But, we are asked to believe that they are just well trained in the arts of taking people down and flipping people.

Next, and probably the most ridiculous, is the ability to take a punch. After that is the ability to give a punch. We are constantly expected to believe that a woman can take a punch from a man who outweighs her by 50 pounds or much more. (This is still true in spite of the fact that I know that this is also true for men fighting men in the movies – there should be many more broken noses and more teeth loosened or knocked out.) Just look at those weight class numbers and realize that they come from a lot of experience over the years and they reflect a very important issue – that of weight in fights. It’s considered unfair to have people outclassed in terms of weight and they know what they are talking about. Don’t forget that boxing classes are based on men who are in shape, very fit, and well-built and even then weight is the all-important parameter, more important than height or arm reach or leg length or weight distribution. Men dominate in all of these classes as compared to women.

Our society, our women teachers (teachers are 76 percent women nowadays!) are teaching about girl power all the time now – it’s everywhere you look. Implicitly, this is done at the expense of boys – else why is it being drummed in so much. If they really were as powerful as boys then they wouldn’t spend so much time on propaganda of this sort. Don’t forget that girls are smart, too. Implicit is the idea that they are smarter – than whom, you ask – well how many other categories are there in children in schools these days?

* In general means to convey the request: please don’t come up with anecdotal evidence to dispute a general proposition – instead, argue with the point being made. I have to add this footnote nowadays with all issues of this type.

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  1. Amy Schley Coolidge
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    I’m just going to point out that none of those women are 120 lbs. Gwendolyn Christie is 6’2″and at least 180, if not 200. It shouldn’t be a surprise that a woman who can realistically win a fight with a man is closer to the size of an average man than the standard Hollywood waif.

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  2. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Amy Schley (View Comment):
    I’m just going to point out that none of those women are 120 lbs. Gwendolyn Christie is 6’2″and at least 180, if not 200. It shouldn’t be a surprise that a woman who can realistically win a fight with a man is closer to the size of an average man than the standard Hollywood waif.

    Yes, these are the real women who are true exceptions to my general statement.

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  3. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Larry Koler (View Comment):

    Amy Schley (View Comment):
    I’m just going to point out that none of those women are 120 lbs. Gwendolyn Christie is 6’2″and at least 180, if not 200. It shouldn’t be a surprise that a woman who can realistically win a fight with a man is closer to the size of an average man than the standard Hollywood waif.

    Yes, these are the real women who are true exceptions to my general statement.

    Although, the actress who plays Calamity Jane (Robin Weigert) is probably smaller. I include her because of her grit and strength of will. Of course, Al Swearengen (Ian McShane — who’s outstanding) does give her pause but that can be true for men, too. Still, Jane knows her limits and knows how to use guns and bandages, too. She’s a real force of nature and is believable in her role.

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  4. Larry Koler Inactive
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    This is part of series I am doing — this is number 2 in the series. Number 1 is about peeing in movies. and I guess I’m not being very regular in creating this series because the first one was in 2013 but I may get several more given enough time.

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  5. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    To be fair, the decades-old Hollywood trope of knocking a guy out in one punch isn’t terribly realistic either. But I doubt that fantasy taught young men anything.

    The fantasy that a fist fight only ends in bruises and a bloody nose, on the other hand…

    Men like to look at pretty women. So I don’t think most men would complain about female action stars so long as the heroines are using weapons more than fists.

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  6. Aaron Miller Inactive
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    Or how about the classic bar brawl in which someone breaks a bottle over another’s head? I bet that gets mirrored in real life sometimes.

    Was there a time when bottle glass was that flimsy?

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  7. JoelB Member
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    Can’t wait for the next post in this series in 2023.

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  8. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Larry Koler: (but my heart belongs to Brienne of Tarth, middle – click to see why).

    Ah, but remember Larry that Brienne was originally saved by Jaime when they were captured. She was about to be raped and maybe killed, but he convinced the bad guys that her father was a wealthy lord in Tarth who would pay dearly if they didn’t defile her. In another episode he saved her from a bear.

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  9. TheRightNurse Member
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    Aaron Miller (View Comment):
    Or how about the classic bar brawl in which someone breaks a bottle over another’s head? I bet that gets mirrored in real life sometimes.

    Was there a time when bottle glass was that flimsy?

    True.  Very true.  We get a number of subdural hematomas and intracerebral hemorrhages that way during bar season.  Peoples’ heads aren’t as tough as the movies sometimes make them out to be.

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  10. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Larry Koler: (but my heart belongs to Brienne of Tarth, middle – click to see why).

    Ah, but remember Larry that Brienne was originally saved by Jaime when they were captured. She was about to be raped and maybe killed, but he convinced the bad guys that her father was a wealthy lord in Tarth who would pay dearly if they didn’t defile her. In another episode he saved her from a bear.

    Yes, but they got caught (by a truly evil villain) while having a fight that surprised the heck out of Jaime.

    Here’s the thing: I love the notion that women can compete with men because it’s true in real life — but it’s rare and the movies try to show us that it’s a regular occurrence and especially so if women just take assertiveness training.

    Brienne becomes a knight because she wins the free-for-all fight against men who don’t know she’s a woman (she’s masked).

    But, the sensitivity thing is there, too: she truly is smitten with King Renly — not that she thinks she can marry him but because he was kind and considerate to her and he was a big deal, the brother to the king and yet he had a wonderful character in her eyes. She learned to revere such men of character.

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  11. Mrs. Ink Inactive
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    God made some people big and some people small. Sam Colt came along, and he evened them all.

    This is why I spend every available day at the range. I’m as mean and ornery as I can be at my advanced age, but I am no match for a man, unless I have a gun.

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  12. Guruforhire Inactive
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    Its gonna get someone killed

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  13. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Mrs. Ink (View Comment):
    God made some people big and some people small. Sam Colt came along, and he evened them all.

    This is why I spend every available day at the range. I’m as mean and ornery as I can be at my advanced age, but I am no match for a man, unless I have a gun.

    Oh, that’s beautiful — and so true. Thank God for people who carry because they make the world safer.

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  14. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Guruforhire (View Comment):
    Its gonna get someone killed

    Yes, it’s dangerous to pretend things that aren’t true. It will get people killed.

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  15. Hypatia Member
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Larry Koler: (but my heart belongs to Brienne of Tarth, middle – click to see why).

    Ah, but remember Larry that Brienne was originally saved by Jaime when they were captured. She was about to be raped and maybe killed, but he convinced the bad guys that her father was a wealthy lord in Tarth who would pay dearly if they didn’t defile her. In another episode he saved her from a bear.

    Is it just me, or is there more chemistry between Jaime and Brienne than  between him and Circe (sp? Cersey? It’s been awhile since I read the last book…) ?

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  16. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Hypatia (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Larry Koler: (but my heart belongs to Brienne of Tarth, middle – click to see why).

    Ah, but remember Larry that Brienne was originally saved by Jaime when they were captured. She was about to be raped and maybe killed, but he convinced the bad guys that her father was a wealthy lord in Tarth who would pay dearly if they didn’t defile her. In another episode he saved her from a bear.

    Is it just me, or is there more chemistry between Jaime and Brienne than between him and Circe (sp? Cersey? It’s been awhile since I read the last book…) ?

    Agreed. There is at least more respect. And the time they (Jaime and Cersei) tried to kill Bran kinda seemed to put a damper on their passion for each other.

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  17. OccupantCDN Coolidge
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    I think Yvonne Strahovski can directly illustrate your point.

    One thing that I noticed over the past 10 years or so, is far more inter-gender fist fights. In the TV/Movies of the 70s – 90s girls would get out of the way and let the boys fight it out or have a bad girl to fight as well. While it might be cool on tv to imagine a wonderful little lady like Yvonne is able to fight of a big man like Adam Baldwin. In reality it would be a very short and for Yvonne brutal fight.

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  18. Hypatia Member
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    I agree with your general proposition.  In fact this comparative lack of strength of women was one of the two reasons marriage made sense.  They needed  protection from physical harm.  And men needed to “protect” women’s sexuality in the sense of keeping it for themselves, so they could be sure of the paternity of their heirs.

    But now, here at least, women have rights at law.  And they have guns, the great equalizer.  And there’s no mystery about who’s-your-daddy.

    S’why heterosexuals are remaining unmarried in droves. And also why same-sex “marriage”  makes NO sense.

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  19. Henry Castaigne Member
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    As important as the physical differences are the psychological differences. Since males were three years old, they dream of beating up people. Calamity Jane would kick like a mule and scratch like a panther against a man even if she couldn’t win a fight against him. I think the default mode of woman isn’t to fight that hard because it risks further injury.

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  20. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Henry Castaigne (View Comment):
    As important as the physical differences are the psychological differences. Since males were three years old, they dream of beating up people. Calamity Jane would kick like a mule and scratch like a panther against a man even if she couldn’t win a fight against him. I think the default mode of woman isn’t to fight that hard because it risks further injury.

    Yes, so true – the psychological part, the mental part of being able to go up against men is very important. It’s very important for other men, too, and doubly so for women. The three women I show above have that kind of grit. It does exist in women but it’s not common and they don’t have it running through their brains as young children.

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  21. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Hypatia (View Comment):
    I agree with your general proposition. In fact this comparative lack of strength of women was one of the two reasons marriage made sense. They needed protection from physical harm. And men needed to “protect” women’s sexuality in the sense of keeping it for themselves, so they could be sure of the paternity of their heirs.

    But now, here at least, women have rights at law. And they have guns, the great equalizer. And there’s no mystery about who’s-your-daddy.

    S’why heterosexuals are remaining unmarried in droves. And also why same-sex “marriage” makes NO sense.

    Yes, women in the western countries really do see a more level playing field — that’s all because our societies esteem women but also esteem safe areas for children and women to move about in.

    Remember, though, how a few decades ago there was much recognition that American women can get groped in France and Italy and Spain, Greece, Portugal, etc.

    We are living in an interlude of relative safety for women and children. We need to get grounded in reality though if we want to keep it that way.

    Sharia compliant Muslims can still have a rape culture and it can still be practiced in Rotherham (for example).

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  22. The Reticulator Member
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    120 lb. Women Cannot Throw 240 lb. Men Around – in General*

    Maybe not in general, but in Russian movies they can do it. 120 lb. men can do it, too. They know special, secret holds and stuff.

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  23. Goldwaterwoman Thatcher
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    Larry Koler (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Larry Koler: (but my heart belongs to Brienne of Tarth, middle – click to see why).

    Ah, but remember Larry that Brienne was originally saved by Jaime when they were captured. She was about to be raped and maybe killed, but he convinced the bad guys that her father was a wealthy lord in Tarth who would pay dearly if they didn’t defile her. In another episode he saved her from a bear.

    Is it just me, or is there more chemistry between Jaime and Brienne than between him and Circe (sp? Cersey? It’s been awhile since I read the last book…) ?

    Agreed. There is at least more respect. And the time they tried to kill Bran kinda seemed to put a damper on their passion for each other.

    Oh how I love fellow Game of Thrones enthusiasts!!  I just spent the last four weeks bingeing (sp?) on all seven seasons. I miss it but agree with Hypatia that there’s more chemistry between Jaime and Brienne than Cersei (I hate Cersei).  Also, I don’t see the attraction between Jon Snow and Daenerys at all. Sorry for getting off subject on your thread Larry. I’ll slink quietly away.

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  24. Larry Koler Inactive
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    120 lb. Women Cannot Throw 240 lb. Men Around – in General*

    Maybe not in general, but in Russian movies they can do it. 120 lb. men can do it, too. They know special, secret holds and stuff.

    Yes, I saw that movie “Crouching Tiger, Hidden Tiger,” and magic is the real solution.

    In the west we believe in that other Chinese magic: gunpowder. It really is magic.

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  25. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Larry Koler (View Comment):

    Hypatia (View Comment):

    Goldwaterwoman (View Comment):

    Larry Koler: (but my heart belongs to Brienne of Tarth, middle – click to see why).

    Ah, but remember Larry that Brienne was originally saved by Jaime when they were captured. She was about to be raped and maybe killed, but he convinced the bad guys that her father was a wealthy lord in Tarth who would pay dearly if they didn’t defile her. In another episode he saved her from a bear.

    Is it just me, or is there more chemistry between Jaime and Brienne than between him and Circe (sp? Cersey? It’s been awhile since I read the last book…) ?

    Agreed. There is at least more respect. And the time they tried to kill Bran kinda seemed to put a damper on their passion for each other.

    Oh how I love fellow Game of Thrones enthusiasts!! I just spent the last four weeks bingeing (sp?) on all seven seasons. I miss it but agree with Hypatia that there’s more chemistry between Jaime and Brienne than Cersei (I hate Cersei). Also, I don’t see the attraction between Jon Snow and Daenerys at all. Sorry for getting off subject on your thread Larry. I’ll slink quietly away.

    Me, too. I love GOT. The only person you learn to hate more than Cersei is that holier than thou High Sparrow guy. Man, did we want to see him get his comeuppance!

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  26. Quake Voter Inactive
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    Thought I would give Britannia one episode, suspecting preposterous Druid superpowers would turn me off.  Never got that far.  Roman legionnaires from Gaul by way of Numidia by way of Nigeria, or the Bama linebacker squad, dispatched by willowy Celtic lasses.  Sheer nonsense.

     

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  27. Larry Koler Inactive
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    BTW, “Homeland” has just started up on Showtime. Just sayin’.

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  28. Larry Koler Inactive
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    Quake Voter (View Comment):
    Thought I would give Britannia one episode, suspecting preposterous Druid superpowers would turn me off. Never got that far. Roman legionnaires from Gaul by way of Numidia by way of Nigeria, or the Bama linebacker squad, dispatched by willowy Celtic lasses. Sheer nonsense.

    Thanks for saving me the time.

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  29. cirby Inactive
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    I saw a bar fight between two guys once. The first guy grabbed a pool cue, walked up behind the other guy (who was seated), and broke the pool cue over his head.

    The other guy stood up. It took a while, because he had a long way to stand. Seven feet, maybe? Weight 350-400 pounds. Muscular, too. He reached out, grabbed the other guy, and broke his upper arm. Barehanded. Then he did the other arm. It went south from there.

    I’m certain that there isn’t a woman on the planet who could even slow that big guy down without a firearm. Or artillery support.

    Size most definitely does matter.

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  30. Larry Koler Inactive
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    cirby (View Comment):
    I saw a bar fight between two guys once. The first guy grabbed a pool cue, walked up behind the other guy (who was seated), and broke the pool cue over his head.

    The other guy stood up. It took a while, because he had a long way to stand. Seven feet, maybe? Weight 350-400 pounds. Muscular, too. He reached out, grabbed the other guy, and broke his upper arm. Barehanded. Then he did the other arm. It went south from there.

    I’m certain that there isn’t a woman on the planet who could even slow that big guy down without a firearm. Or artillery support.

    Size most definitely does matter.

    Yes, and isn’t that interesting about how few pounds there are between classes? When I went looking for that data I was really surprised.

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