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Mapping the Vote
Alex Egoshin ran the presidential election returns through GIS software to create new relief maps comparing the United States of Doanld to the United Urban Centers of Hillary. Above, you have the Clinton Archipelago, and below, TrumpLand. Open each in a new tab for the full-size versions.
I didn’t say there was no fraud. I said massive fraud on the scale being hinted at leaves evidence.
But what you describe isn’t fraud per se. There’s know way to know from how you related the tale whether those people were casting fraudulent votes or not.
The Republicans had plenty of opportunity to pretend to care about limited government during the Obama administration. They blew it. Perhaps they were too busy trying to purge those of their own who actually did care about limited government. But now that Trump has been elected, the Democrats care about limited government out of one side of their mouths. We could consider that to be progress.
It wasn’t all bad. They forced Obama to sign onto budget caps. That at least slowed budget growth.
After making his trillion dollar stimulus a permanent thing and keeping quiet while he expanded the regulatory, administrative state. At least now they are talking about resisting some of Trump’s spending ideas. That is progress.
That’s only possible if the other side is open to critique. Instead what I’ve seen so far is that any and all criticism is dismissed as, “butthurt NeverTrump strawmen” and ignored.
Why does everyone jump straight from, “Voter fraud didn’t turn the election,” to, “There is no voter fraud?” Talk about strawmen…
That’s a touch hyperbolic, isn’t it?
Umbra, could you please point me to some longish form criticism of Trump cabinet appointments or policy directions from former Never Trumpers?
Problem is you spent six months making risible “Judge Judy appointment,” “Schumer Administration” and catastrophic GOP collapse jeremiads and really can’t, as yet, admit that Trump is forming a cabinet more conservative than Reagan’s and will soon announce a SCOTUS pick that makes O’Connor look like Kagan.
Goldberg’s NeverAlwaysTrump preening this weekend in NR is the poster piece for this butthurt NeverTrump nonsense. Still so painfully concerned with the opinion of his frenemies in the DC opinion jobbing market.
All I see is the weekly hissy fitting when, for example, Trump tweets in support of ill-judged legislation against flag burning which 90% of Congressional Republicans supported 10 years ago. Or when Trump takes advantage of a corporate tax program used aggressively by Mitch Daniels and Mike Pence for 12 years and the corporatist catcalls start.
Trump will either be as conservative as his cabinet and win over understandably cautious but fair critics or pursue a foolish Schwarzenegerism and lose conservatives.
NeverTrumpers become NeverAlwaysTrumpers are irrelevant posturers sadly.
Ahem.
I’m surprised with seeing: Mississippi Island, Alabama Island and, in Utah, Salt Lake. Can anyone explain those?
@quakevoter
Don’t hold your breath. You’ll see the apology for the “Judge Judy to the Supreme Court” jeremiads right after the mainstream conservatives apologize for losing the working-class Democrats that Ronald Reagan won for them in 1980 and 1984.
You know, the voters that they let become the Democrats’ “Blue Wall,” while they chased after the Hispanic and entrepreneur vote.
Salt Lake City may be in Utah, but it’s still a city, and it went for Rodham.
The Mississippi/Alabama swaths have a high African-American population.
And if that was good enough for you under the Obama regime, It’s hard to see why you’re so worked up about Trump.
Heck, Republicans had an even better opportunity to care about limited government during the Bush Administration.
So we’ve gone from Mr. Cole’s, “There is no evidence of voter fraud. It’s all a paranoid myth ginned up by alt-right nativists” to Umbra’s,”Sure voter fraud occurs, but it doesn’t influence the outcome of any election.”
Progress I guess.
When did Fred say this? As far as I can tell, he’s saying the same thing I am; If you want to claim that Trump would have won the popular vote if not for illegal voters, then you’d better be able to back it up with something more substantial than, “Everybody knows it happens.”
Here’s some more progress:
http://www.sfchronicle.com/opinion/openforum/article/SF-supports-immigrants-just-not-into-our-10791974.php
Even San Francisco is learning to love immigration restrictionism. (As if the opposite was ever more than a pose.)
Ben Carson – How about a lot of Section 8 housing and refugee centers in Martha’s Vineyard and East Hampton?
Because I don’t seem them having any restraint. There aren’t any checks any more. Congressmen are already lining up to lick Trump’s boots.
How terrifying it must be for you. My sympathies.
What is interesting to note Fred is that Trumpland has much that is yellow to red. The Clinton islands are mostly green. She has control of them but there are still substantial minorities of people who don’t want what the Progressive Left is selling.
Not at all. Ask Nakoula Bassely Nakoula. Ask Dinesh d’Souza. Ask the former bond-holders of GM.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/12/blamed-for-benghazi-filmmaker-jailed-after-attack-now-lives-in-poverty-fear.html
Which party? The one that doubled the national debt in 8 years and added more bureaucracy and government employees on the payroll and less in the private sector, added another giant, bloated, complicated non-working “benefit” called Obamacare – which Clinton promised to continue? It wasn’t the Russians, it was the last eight years that resulted in Trump. There are way too many things to list as to how our great country has been compromised by O and the Progressives. What specific benefits did you see with a Hillary win?
We had checks and it made no difference to the current president that did not respect the Constitution, the will of the people or the rule of law.
That one major party would at least pretend to care about limited government.
Instead we have a big government Republican president and a Congress ready to rubber stamp his asinine policies.
Mexico deeded California to the US in 1848. We could just deed it back…
Fred,
I wrote in SMOD on my ballot, so I understand a little where you are coming from. However, it seems to be that your disgust with Trump is blinding you. Except for a couple picks, Trump is appointing a very limited government cabinet. Pruitt at EPA, Pudzer at Labor, Perry at Energy, and Mulvaney for OMB alone might be worth the price of admission.
While I appreciate the pleasures of internecine bloodletting as much as anyone, I have a question that leads another direction.
Does anyone else remember “Country A” and “Country B” from Herman Kahn’s “On Thermonuclear War”? Countries A and B were distinct subsets of the United States. In the election maps shown (and the population map), Trump won Country B and Clinton won Country A. One of Kahn’s theses was that while Country B could rebuild Country A if A had been destroyed by war, the reverse was not true. Given that Country A was the most likely to be targeted in a thermonuclear war, he thought that meant that there was a chance of survival- at least I think that was what he inferred. It has been a long time since I read the book. Back when I lived and worked in a more rural environment, the ignorance of urban populations as to the degree of their dependence on factors entirely beyond their control shocked me whenever we visited urban areas, particularly the San Francisco Bay area. I didn’t think much of Trump as a candidate and I really don’t expect much of him as President- though he seems to be off to a splendid start- but maybe it is time to end the civil war in Country B and to to start sending reality based missionaries into Country A. Country A is far too precious a resource to be written off.
@secondbite
Fred, you throw up a silly ass map showing ‘where the real population’ lies and imply that is somehow an argument. I find it amusing when all I do is the same thing showing where the illegal population lies and you have your normal freakout about implication.
Your inconsistency is bordering on parody. Oh wait, we have no borders, so I think your inconsistency snuck across in the night.
I think we have the beginning of a plan here!