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  1. RightAngles Member
    RightAngles
    @RightAngles

    Rubio is my guy!

    • #61
  2. Man With the Axe Inactive
    Man With the Axe
    @ManWiththeAxe

    Rubio’s statement about his faith was, in my opinion, excellent. As someone who does not share his particular faith, I nevertheless found his answer to be clear, on point, and fearless. He not only tried to put the questioner’s fears to rest, he also tried to explain why his faith is a feature, not a bug, for a president. He connected his views of faith to the Declaration’s statement of the source of our rights.

    Some have said it reminded them of compassionate conservatism. But the part that did was practically direct quotes from Jesus. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, take care of the sick and the prisoners. The next question has to be, of course, “What is the federal government’s role in all of that?” I’m willing to wait to hear his answer before condemning him for raising the issues.

    I thought it was just a great response: smart, sensitive, and profound.

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  3. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Casey:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Casey:Sip refers to booze. And I’m belittling the idea of a magic king who is so persuasive as to move a nation of 300 million people to suddenly do what thus far they don’t seem to want to do. Who is this super man?

    The majority of the people want the laws enforced. The majority wants people who are caught, deported.

    And, I am insulted you are saying I am drunk,.

    Sorry, perhaps if you got drunk this would be clearer.

    You really have moved from any sort of argument to just insulting me. Please stop. This is the 3rd or 4th in a row.

    You have yet to explain how the President cannot enforce the law and deport those illegals whom we do manage to catch.

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  4. Leigh Inactive
    Leigh
    @Leigh

    Man With the Axe: Some have said it reminded them of compassionate conservatism. But the part that did was practically direct quotes from Jesus. Feed the hungry, clothe the naked, take care of the sick and the prisoners. The next question has to be, of course, “What is the federal government’s role in all of that?” I’m willing to wait to hear his answer before condemning him for raising the issues.

    Exactly. Just because conservatives don’t think the federal government shouldn’t do something hardly means conservatives, shouldn’t talk about what believe we ourselves as individuals should do!

    I’m not sure how a politician would ever say this, but — to the extent that we can judge — I also prefer someone who believes he’s eventually accountable to an eternal judge, all else being equal. You can hoodwink the press, your political allies, your political opponents, and the voters — some of the time — but you will stand before God someday, and no political spin will work anymore.

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  5. Casey Inactive
    Casey
    @Casey

    I actually haven’t insulted you once, BG. Your just so serious about this issue that you can’t relax. The President can but no President will in real life. The political cost would be extraordinary. Furthermore, the President is not a magic king. He can’t will the machine to act in accordance with his will. Every link in the chain from the President’s desk to the border can mess up his plan if they don’t agree. And they don’t.

    Now let’s have a drink and watch Pitt come back against NC State.

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  6. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
    Midget Faded Rattlesnake
    @Midge

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Casey:

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Casey: Sip refers to booze. And I’m belittling the idea of a magic king who is so persuasive as to move a nation of 300 million people to suddenly do what thus far they don’t seem to want to do. Who is this super man?

    The majority of the people want the laws enforced. The majority wants people who are caught, deported.

    And, I am insulted you are saying I am drunk,.

    Sorry, perhaps if you got drunk this would be clearer.

    You really have moved from any sort of argument to just insulting me. Please stop. This is the 3rd or 4th in a row.

    Casey, I know you don’t mean to offend with your absurdist, paradoxical take on things. You said once your goal on Ricochet was to be a sort of class clown. I think you’ve been joking with Bryan, but the jokes have been hard to get, and I see why Bryan took them as insults rather than whimsy.

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  7. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    iWe:I worry about what sounded like “Compassionate Conservatism” here. I want the President to care – and to see the solutions through freedom, not redistribution.

    Beautiful.

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  8. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Casey:I actually haven’t insulted you once, BG. Your just so serious about this issue that you can’t relax. The President can but no President will in real life. The political cost would be extraordinary. Furthermore, the President is not a magic king. He can’t will the machine to act in accordance with his will. Every link in the chain from the President’s desk to the border can mess up his plan if they don’t agree. And they don’t.

    Now let’s have a drink and watch Pitt come back against NC State.

    Ah, the old, “I didn’t say anything bad” routine, as well as the “Just Relax” bit. In other words, what I think and feel don’t matter. Kind of like the elites treat us.

    I could make the argument that The People would be behind him. I could say the Majority of the nation wants the laws followed, again, not rounding people up, just deporting the ones we catch.

    But, hey, you are too busy insulting and not even owning it to have a discussion.

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  9. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    “If there’s no Creator, then where do the rights come from?”

    Good stuff.  Lockean.  Abrahamic.  Declaration of Independency.  A limitation on government.  This sole insight that rights come from somewhere that isn’t us might have prevented Obamacare.

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  10. Saint Augustine Member
    Saint Augustine
    @SaintAugustine

    Wait.  I’m watching this video, and he’s got less than a minute left.  Is he about to mention what the Left wants to do to religious freedom?  I suspect that atheist questioner has no idea what’s going on there.  The atheist questioner who hasn’t joined the Left needs to be told why he shouldn’t!

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  11. Leigh Inactive
    Leigh
    @Leigh

    Saint Augustine:Wait. I’m watching this video, and he’s got less than a minute left. Is he about to mention what the Left wants to do to religious freedom? I suspect that atheist questioner has no idea what’s going on there. The atheist questioner who hasn’t joined the Left needs to be told why he shouldn’t!

    I felt like Rubio was building the foundational case for religious liberty — in this particular instance — rather than listing all the bad things the Left is trying to do. I know Rubio’s done that before, so it doesn’t bother me, particularly, that he doesn’t do so here. I’d rather hear that foundational case, personally, because anybody can do the political point-scoring. This gives me more confidence that he means it, and that he can defend his case beyond the primary.

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  12. Casey Inactive
    Casey
    @Casey

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: Casey, I know you don’t mean to offend with your absurdist, paradoxical take on things. You said once your goal on Ricochet was to be a sort of class clown. I think you’ve been joking with Bryan, but the jokes have been hard to get, and I see why Bryan took them as insults rather than whimsy.

    Well, more like digs than insults or whimsy.

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  13. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Casey:

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: Casey, I know you don’t mean to offend with your absurdist, paradoxical take on things. You said once your goal on Ricochet was to be a sort of class clown. I think you’ve been joking with Bryan, but the jokes have been hard to get, and I see why Bryan took them as insults rather than whimsy.

    Well, more like digs than insults or whimsy.

    Wow, even when a Moderator calls you on it, you still refuse to just say, “sorry”.

    I don’t find you a class clown, in fact I find you a classless boor who jokes instead of argues.

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  14. Casey Inactive
    Casey
    @Casey

    Bryan G. Stephens: Ah, the old, “I didn’t say anything bad” routine, as well as the “Just Relax” bit. In other words, what I think and feel don’t matter.

    I must admit to being a kick out of people who get upset about politics. And I am laughing at your expense. I apologize if that’s mean. I don’t apologize for being right though.

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  15. Casey Inactive
    Casey
    @Casey

    Bryan G. Stephens:

    Casey:

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: Casey, I know you don’t mean to offend with your absurdist, paradoxical take on things. You said once your goal on Ricochet was to be a sort of class clown. I think you’ve been joking with Bryan, but the jokes have been hard to get, and I see why Bryan took them as insults rather than whimsy.

    Well, more like digs than insults or whimsy.

    Wow, even when a Moderator calls you on it, you still refuse to just say, “sorry”.

    I don’t find you a class clown, in fact I find you a classless boor who jokes instead of argues.

    See, this I find funny.

    [Editors’ Note: Not helping]

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  16. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens
    @BryanGStephens

    Casey:

    Bryan G. Stephens: Ah, the old, “I didn’t say anything bad” routine, as well as the “Just Relax” bit. In other words, what I think and feel don’t matter.

    I must admit to being a kick out of people who get upset about politics. And I am laughing at your expense. I apologize if that’s mean. I don’t apologize for being right though.

    “I apologize if that’s mean”? That is the classic non-apology apology.

    So you relish in others being unhappy. And this in a post where a man is talking about his Christian Faith.

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  17. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
    Midget Faded Rattlesnake
    @Midge

    Casey:

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: Casey, I know you don’t mean to offend with your absurdist, paradoxical take on things. You said once your goal on Ricochet was to be a sort of class clown. I think you’ve been joking with Bryan, but the jokes have been hard to get, and I see why Bryan took them as insults rather than whimsy.

    Well, more like digs than insults or whimsy.

    Well, could you knock off with the digs for now?

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  18. Benjamin Glaser Inactive
    Benjamin Glaser
    @BenjaminGlaser

    Why has Rubio not been able to make any real movement in the polls since October?

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  19. BrentB67 Inactive
    BrentB67
    @BrentB67

    iWe:I worry about what sounded like “Compassionate Conservatism” here. I want the President to care – and to see the solutions through freedom, not redistribution.

    I share  you concerns. I don’t want to elect a pope who see the apparatus of federal government to carry out their faith, no matter how well intentioned.

    I want to elect someone solely committed to restraining the federal government so individuals like you and me can worship and practice according to our commissions.

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  20. Casey Inactive
    Casey
    @Casey

    Benjamin Glaser:Why has Rubio not been able to make any real movement in the polls since October?

    I think because he’s nobody’s favorite. He’s incomplete. But he’s everybody’s second favorite. In other words, he’s not my guy but I’ll be comfortable with him.

    Right now big chunks of people are going to Carson, Kasich,etc. It seems to me that as those people drop out their voters will mostly go to Rubio. Then you’ll have the vote split evenly 3 ways and that will be very interesting.

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  21. Manny Coolidge
    Manny
    @Manny

    Of the the current top three, I would vote for Rubio.  But I do think he’s inexperienced.  But Cruz and Trump are just as inexperienced.

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  22. BuckeyeSam Inactive
    BuckeyeSam
    @BuckeyeSam

    Legalization for illegal immigrants followed soon after by naturalization. Game over.

    No, thanks.

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  23. Fricosis Guy Listener
    Fricosis Guy
    @FricosisGuy

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    Casey:

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: Casey, I know you don’t mean to offend with your absurdist, paradoxical take on things. You said once your goal on Ricochet was to be a sort of class clown. I think you’ve been joking with Bryan, but the jokes have been hard to get, and I see why Bryan took them as insults rather than whimsy.

    Well, more like digs than insults or whimsy.

    Well, could you knock off with the digs for now?

    Hey look! Ricochet’s become a safe space!

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  24. Songwriter Inactive
    Songwriter
    @user_19450

    iWe:I worry about what sounded like “Compassionate Conservatism” here. I want the President to care – and to see the solutions through freedom, not redistribution.

    Exactly. I also think churches (of every denomination and creed) should be wildly generous and the state should be wisely frugal. Too often, it is the exact opposite of that.

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  25. BrentB67 Inactive
    BrentB67
    @BrentB67

    Fricosis Guy:

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake:

    Casey:

    Midget Faded Rattlesnake: Casey, I know you don’t mean to offend with your absurdist, paradoxical take on things. You said once your goal on Ricochet was to be a sort of class clown. I think you’ve been joking with Bryan, but the jokes have been hard to get, and I see why Bryan took them as insults rather than whimsy.

    Well, more like digs than insults or whimsy.

    Well, could you knock off with the digs for now?

    Hey look! Ricochet’s become a safe space!

    I am just glad someone else is under the harry eye of authority for a change.

    First law of thermodynamics: If the heat is on someone else it isn’t on me.

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  26. BrentB67 Inactive
    BrentB67
    @BrentB67

    Casey:

    PHenry:Rubio has always known how to say the right thing. The problem is what he does after he wins the election does not match the rhetoric…

    Of course, we can probably say that about every one of them except Cruz. The question with Cruz, however, is can he lead others in his direction?

    It seems to me that Cruz inspires people to dig in against him. If that is in fact the case then he’s of no use at all.

    We can say that about Cruz. Ever since announcing for President.

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  27. BrentB67 Inactive
    BrentB67
    @BrentB67

    Majestyk:

    1967mustangman:I’m saying you should vote for him.

    I’m four-square in Rubio’s corner. He seems to want to leave people like me alone, and I’m cool with that.

    Unfortunately some of the people he wants to leave alone are here illegally and if he doesn’t win the nomination that will be why.

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  28. DrewInWisconsin Member
    DrewInWisconsin
    @DrewInWisconsin

    I watched this exchange yesterday, and I didn’t think Rubio’s response was pandering at all. The guy asking the question was pandering — to his fellow militant atheists. He was trying for a gotcha. And I think along with what Rubio said it’s worth noting how he replied: respectfully in the face of what was really a disrespectful question.

    I can only compare this to how Obama responds when someone gives him an opportunity to take potshots at the people he hates. Obama does not take the high road or reach for common ground. Instead he makes snide insults and smirks.

    More of Rubio’s style and less of Obama’s please.

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  29. BrentB67 Inactive
    BrentB67
    @BrentB67

    Casey:

    Bryan G. Stephens: THIS issue is more important to me than a whole bunch of other issues put together.

    Oh, I can see that. But you do understand that you are on the fringe, right? And that the best possible immigration candidate would accomplish absolutely nothing in this area, right?

    Why do you think the best possible candidate would accomplish nothing? The executive is charged with enforcing the laws. Obama is clearly changing the argument with his selective enforcement. Why can’t a President Rubio change it with vigorous enforcement?

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  30. Midget Faded Rattlesnake Member
    Midget Faded Rattlesnake
    @Midge

    Hey look! Ricochet’s become a safe space!

    Heavens, has our culture reached the point where any reasonable request to show more consideration to another person is indistinguishable from safe-spacery?

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