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Not Perfect. Not Complete. But Very, Very Good.
I’m not saying you should vote for him. And I can’t make you vote for him. But here’s why a lot of people will vote for him:
And I can’t say I mind.
Published in Elections, General, Religion & Philosophy
What lie has he told?
Rubio is part of the elites that think they know better than we do, as evidenced by the fact he has voted for, and advocates for a policy that the majority of the American people do not want.
So, clearly, he thinks his judgement is superior to the American People. There is no other explanation.
Further, he is a fellow traveler with the other elites who want this. Since he voted with Chuck Shumer, I think he at least owes the GOP a statement that while he is for Amnesty, he does not think those of us who are not for it are a bunch of racists.
He was opposed to amnesty, then jumped on to the gang of 8. Really, you didn’t know?
That’s not his plan. Disparaging people you disagree with using straw men is the thing here that is just like Obama.
Rubio’s position is that the border needs to be secured, the visa program needs to be reformed and that e-verify systems need to be all be successfully accomplished first. He does not plan to move to any effort to alter the status of illegals before that is done.
If that is accomplished and the voters regain trust in the government’s seriousness about stopping illegals from entering the country, he thinks we could develop a way to allow current illegals to stay. But there would be several penalties involved for breaking the law, and many requirements on top of those penalties would have to be met before any type of legal status was granted.
He knows you don’t trust him on the issue of legalization, which is why he is stressing the need to prove his and the government’s trustworthiness first by successfully securing the border and stopping illegals from entering.
He just came out for Amnesty again! He just said it. He is for letting the people here stay! That means, he is NOT for enforcing the laws on the books.
Changing the laws after the fact, going against the will of the People, that is not the actions of someone I want to vote for. That is what they guy in office right now is doing.
Rubio is not for securing the border. He was part of the Gang of 8 and that is not want they wanted. He has yet to fully repudiate that.
Oh, I can see that. But you do understand that you are on the fringe, right? And that the best possible immigration candidate would accomplish absolutely nothing in this area, right?
Nope, as the best possible one could enforce the laws on the books, without the consent of Congress.
Why is that not a question about Cruz?
I ask because it actually is my question about Cruz. I don’t exactly trust any of them, of course. But I am not sure but that I mistrust Cruz more than Rubio.
Can I have a sip?
Great point — it’s not complicated. Foot draggers always try and show how complicated everything is.
A sip? That is insulting.
I am stating a fact. The President, simply enforcing the laws already written, does not need the approval of Congress.
Do you not agree with that?
He doesn’t think as a practical matter we can round up and deport all of the people currently here illegally. If you cannot practically enforce a law you have no choice but to change the law.
He has repudiated the idea of comprehensive reform and has pledged repeatedly that he would first secure the border and visa programs to get illegal immigration in check. He would not move forward with any plans to deal with illegals until after the border was proven to be secure and the government had earned the trust of the American people on border security.
You can disagree with his position on handling the people here illegally now, but to say he has no intention of securing the border is patently a distortion of his position. He has owned that the G08 bill was a mistake and would secure the border first to prove he has learned that lesson. You are tilting at straw men and being tendentious and spreading falsehoods about Rubio’s position to say he does not support securing the border. It is a lie to say that.
Yes. If everyone simply did everything perfectly all the time then life would be beautiful.
I’m sorry I insulted your generosity.
It was said that nothing could be done without the Senate under control. Clearly, this is not the case, but for some reason, you belittle the idea. So now it seems you are agreeing I am right, but you still think it is unrealistic for the President to enforce laws on the books that most Americans want him to enforce.
Second, asking for a “sip” is a clear reference to drinking Kool-aid, which, in itself is a reference to a horrible cult incident. I take offence at that.
Can I just outright disagree with this for a moment?
I see this dichotomy repeatedly. But it implies, to be honest, that some of us either care less, or aren’t serious about the threat. That is not true, and at that point we simply start talking past one another.
Since I am disagreeing…
If leaders are never to disagree with the will of the majority, we could just as well abolish the Republic and run everything by opinion polls.
Leaders should do what they believe to be right, regardless of the polls — isn’t that what conservatives believe anyway? And most things conservatives want done would require persuasion, or require a president to risk doing something unpopular.
For that matter, do any of us — do you agree with the American People on everything?
He changed his position, yes. To say he lied precludes the possibility that after diving into the details of how to deal with the current illegals he came to the conclusion that making them all leave the country was not realistic. He has not gone back on that position after changing it in 2013. Every candidate running for president has changed his or her position on some policy issue, including very important ones pertaining to national security and the economy. Somehow those “evolutions” are forgiven, but Rubio’s change gets him anathematized, despite vowing not to take up the issue of legalizing anyone until the border is successfully secured.
The bottom line is this. If there are not enough people elected to congress to pass laws securing the border first, it will not get secured. And by the same token, if enough people are put in congress to secure the border before dealing with the illegals, then Rubio won’t be able to oppose that.
What congresspeople want to do about immigration is what is most important on this issue. They determine what options the president has.
I don’t trust him, and I do not believe him. That is not a lie.
The Go8 bill is a near mortal sin. He has not even come close to over coming it, and admitting he is going to let them all stay just proves it.
He will not enforce the laws as written while he tries to get the laws changed to let all these people stay, have a path to vote, and then vote for the other side.
On this subject, there is a real split between the elites and the People. There is in Europe as well. This is an example where the People have been against it for some time, and those who rule are for it.
Sip refers to booze. And I’m belittling the idea of a magic king who is so persuasive as to move a nation of 300 million people to suddenly do what thus far they don’t seem to want to do. Who is this super man?
If you don’t want to be accused of taking on straw men and distorting the truth, you need to acknowledge what Rubio’s stated position actually is rather than characterizing it as something it is not.
It’s fine if you don’t want to forgive his past and don’t trust him to stick to his current position. But all you are doing then is speculating on motives. That’s your right, but at least be honest upfront that is what you are doing.
Also, if you are going to disqualify people based on your speculation of their inner motives, I would hope you would apply that standard consistently to whomever you do support. Who is that again?
The majority of the people want the laws enforced. The majority wants people who are caught, deported.
And, I am insulted you are saying I am drunk,.
Again, this is the one big issue that is the symbol of “We the People” vs. “They the Rulers”.
I really don’t care that much about flip flops on farm subsidies.
Yes, simple stuff.
It’s always from the left with this: “So, we have to round up with jack boots every single illegal? Is that what you want? That’s not ever gonna happen.”
Just pick them up when they are detained or come onto the radar. Get rid of sanctuary cities using the bully pulpit if not laws. Relentlessly — but without the liberals’ jack boots — enforce the laws on the books.
Using those terms does not decide the rightness or wrongness of the issue. The fact that Members of Congress are somewhat more likely to agree with him than the broader public is irrelevant.
Sorry, perhaps if you got drunk this would be clearer.
I see, good to know you can tell the difference between flip-flops that matter flip-flops that don’t and whether someone you know has flip-flopped before will do it again. You should be proud of such powers.
But, back to the matter of immigration what Cruz’s flip on birthright citizenship? Are anchor babies “We the People” vs. “They the Rulers”?
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And what were you saying about enforcing the laws about people who came here illegally again? No exceptions? Deal breaker?
Go Marco!! I can live with and would probably embrace Cruz. But Marco seems like the full package to me.
Thank you, because you just convinced me I cannot vote for Ted Cruz.
Because I am a grubby populist, silly enough to think my own opinions about short documents written in the language I kan reed, I will not agree with Cruz’s opinions, and I will not support someone holding those opinions, as long as I have an option.
In terms of the fluffy “elect-ability” nonsense, Rubio is a master of the game. Even though I disagree with him on a few things, I bounce back and forth between Cruz and Rubio quite often.