Trump Reconsidered

 

It’s time for those of us holding our noses at Trump to reconsider our approach. He’s not our cup of tea, but he may be a cup we have to drink from. Barring a minor miracle in Iowa, or a major one in New Hampshire, Trump is going to be our nominee. He may even be the president. It’s time we tried to make that unwanted cup as palatable as possible.

What is at stake here is not our pride or our good taste, but the future of the country we love. After the depredations of Obama’s rule, we conservatives do not have the luxury of holding our breath until our preferred candidate materializes; we owe it to America to try to make the best of a potential Trump presidency.

The attitudes expressed by George Will, Jay Nordlinger, Mona Charen, and others whom I admire are wrong: rather than be embarrassed by Trump or worry that he will tarnish the conservative movement, conservatives should be taking a page from the Left and try to bring The Donald into the fold. In short, we need less public fulmination and more private persuasion.

I have nothing against Trump as a person. His bluster and crassness are unappealing to me, but my real reservation about him is that he does not grasp the wily ways of the Left and thus will be duped into policies that will work against his intended purpose. Remember the governorships of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jesse Ventura.

The testimony of Conrad Black and others has shown me a side of Donald Trump I did not think existed. They both attest to his kind support during their times of trouble. This speaks to magnanimity, something sorely lacking in our times. The norm of our days is that your conservative friends vanish when you are accused of anything, however unjustly. Trump stands by his friends.  I am not arguing that Trump is Mitt Romney — a person of exemplary moral character — but that he could be somebody we could do business with.

Conservative thought leaders should approach Trump quietly and respectfully in an attempt to alert him to the dangers that litter the ideological landscape. This may already be going on behind the scenes, but if it is not, it should happen, pronto. That delegation should be led by Conrad Black and Larry Kudlow, resplendent in their finery. It should also include George Will, Charles Krauthammer, Jay Nordlinger and Mona Charen all dressed as penitents, unshod and wrapped in sackcloth.

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  1. donald todd Inactive
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    Frank Soto:

    She: Isn’t this the single biggest reason to do everything possible to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House? If not, why not?

    There is no reason to suspect Trump’s nominees will be better. None.

    Is there a reason to think that they would be worse?

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  2. Fake John/Jane Galt Coolidge
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    I was talking to a older gentleman over the holiday.  He had a chuckle about Trump.  Said the last time he saw the GOP in such a twitter was back when the voters nominated a ex Democrat, union boss, washed up B level film actor.  It seemed to work out well then.

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  3. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    In the abstract, would you support a candidate who:

    • has no experience in government at any level
    • has no knowledge or experience of foreign policy
    • has never demonstrated any interest in or knowledge of the history of the US or the world
    • has shown disrespect to some with military service
    • is unlikely to know or to care about judicial activism or restraint
    • is not particularly concerned about the limits on presidential power, and doesn’t seem to know what a president can do on his own within the limits of the Constitution
    • has the boorish manners of a 6th grader, constantly leveling childish insults against his opponents or anyone who criticizes him
    • who brags constantly while saying that he doesn’t mean to brag

    Now, I’m not talking about any particular candidate. But if such a candidate were to somehow be nominated, I don’t see how I could vote for him.

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  4. donald todd Inactive
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    Man With the Axe:Now, I’m not talking about any particular candidate. But if such a candidate were to somehow be nominated, I don’t see how I could vote for him.

    You are not talking (writing) about any particular candidate.  What you wrote describes only one candidate.  You are avoiding the obvious.

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  5. Man With the Axe Inactive
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    donald todd:

    Man With the Axe:Now, I’m not talking about any particular candidate. But if such a candidate were to somehow be nominated, I don’t see how I could vote for him.

    You are not talking (writing) about any particular candidate. What you wrote describes only one candidate. You are avoiding the obvious.

    Whom would that be?

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  6. Percival Thatcher
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    Sal: Trump needs to be shown how consistent conservative policies are the only vehicle to his goals.

    The only thing Trump needs to be shown is the door.  Then he should go out through it.

    If we are in a charitable mood, maybe someone will open it first.

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  7. Jamie Lockett Member
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    donald todd:

    Frank Soto:

    She: Isn’t this the single biggest reason to do everything possible to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House? If not, why not?

    There is no reason to suspect Trump’s nominees will be better. None.

    Is there a reason to think that they would be worse?

    He once said he would nominate his sister if President.

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  8. Arizona Patriot Member
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    Oh, dear.  I’m far from a Trump supporter, but there are a lot of overzealous criticisms in this thread.

    I don’t think that Trump will be the nominee, but he’s certainly appealing to an important part of the GOP base right now.  He has no track record in public service, which makes it harder to evaluate the honesty of his current positions.  He has taken a number of very anti-conservative positions in the past, but he may have come around.

    I mean, if we’re going to reject everybody with a left-wing past, then we’d have to disqualify Reagan and ignore Sowell and Krauthammer.

    So I’m going to keep an open mind.  It is a long time between now and the nomination, and things aren’t generally settled in Iowa and New Hampshire anyway.

    The field is going to narrow further.  If I had to venture a guess, I’d say:

    Bush will drop out after poor early results, together with Carson, Fiorina and either Kasich or Christie.  This will narrow the field to Trump, Cruz, Rubio, and either Kasich or Christie.

    Either Cruz or Rubio will gain momentum from these changes, and will be the nominee.  If it’s Cruz, he’ll pick Rubio as his running mate.  If it’s Rubio, his running mate will be Kasich, Christie, Walker, or Fiorina, for electoral reasons (to bring over a swing state or, for Fiorina, to counter Hillary’s appeal to women).

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  9. Xennady Member
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    The establishment alternatives to Trump:

    • Demonstrate that experience in government is often worse than useless.
    • Or don’t have much of it regardless.
    • Have no discernible political talent, or else they wouldn’t be losing badly to a reality TV star.
    • Seem to believe that foreign policy means advocating for foreigners against Americans.
    • Haven’t even noticed that the left has been ignoring the Constitution for years, let alone come up with a political response.
    • Will cheerfully let the left spit in their face without consequence, yet are enraged that the GOP base isn’t happy with that.
    • Hates the base of the party, a fact which certainly deserves its own bullet point.
    • Generally aren’t even competent enough to bring a knife to a gunfight. Instead, they’ll bring a spork to an airstrike, then boast about their failure later, because they think it means that they have principles.

    Now I’m not talking about any candidate in particular. I’m only talking about the ones I don’t like. I certainly won’t vote for a candidate I don’t like, so there.

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  10. Carey J. Inactive
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    donald todd:

    BrentB67:If it makes you feel better I don’t think Trump converts his poll numbers to victory in Iowa or New Hampshire.

    “If it makes you feel better..” Are we moving into feelings now? Have conservatives started to flutter? Do we need smelling salts?

    Establishment types apparently do.

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  11. BrentB67 Inactive
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    Jamie Lockett:

    donald todd:

    Frank Soto:

    She: Isn’t this the single biggest reason to do everything possible to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House? If not, why not?

    There is no reason to suspect Trump’s nominees will be better. None.

    Is there a reason to think that they would be worse?

    He once said he would nominate his sister if President.

    Does she understand the difference between a tax and an UnConstitutional mandate? If so she is at least as qualified as our present Chief Justice.

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  12. Carey J. Inactive
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    Frank Soto:Donald,

    Im old enough to remember when Mitt Romney using a similar tale of having his mind changed was not sufficient for many on this site.

    Trump gets passes in his flip flopping and all around incoherence that none of you would grant anyone but Trump.

    That’s because we know the establishment candidates stink to high heaven. Trump is the devil we don’t know, and that gets him some slack.

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  13. The Cloaked Gaijin Member
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    Bob W:He is extremely insecure and susceptible to flattery, most recently by Putin. That’s the side of him that I worry about the most.

    If we could only look into his eyes and see his soul…

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  14. Carey J. Inactive
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    Yudansha:@ Sal and Donald Todd,

    If Trump is the nominee Hillary will win regardless, so I’m perfectly justified in a masturbatory vote. Even in the unlikely event that he wins, we’re likely to see nothing more than a Republican version of Obama; and take one step closer to Caesarism. I deplore the man utterly, and will not be a party in any way to his political ambitions.

    If that causes Donald Todd to question my convictions… well, I’ll just have to learn to live with that.

    Then learn to live with Hillary, because the GOP is not nominating another Certified Pre-Owned Moderate™ this year. Or if they do, I’m done with the GOP at all levels of government.

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  15. Carey J. Inactive
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    Austin Murrey: A lot of Rubio supporters talk about how aspirational or young or handsome he is. I half expect that Peter draws hearts around “Mrs. Peter Rubio” on his podcasts notes he crushes on him so hard.

    Let’s don’t turn this into another SSM thread.

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  16. Vice-Potentate Inactive
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    The trouble with a peace commission to the Donald is that it involves negotiating with his intractable supporters. If it was just him I’d welcome him into conservatism with open arms and maybe a reading list.

    Probably wouldn’t vote for him though.

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  17. Carey J. Inactive
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    TKC1101:

    Paul Dougherty: He doesn’t strike me as a man easily persuadable by argument, regardless of the content or messenger. He is untethered to the country’s concerns

    What part of preserve the value of citizenship, secure the borders and get less one sided trade deals are not ‘the country’s concerns”?

    If you’re a restaurateur, a hotelier, or a general contractor, “the country’s” only interest is having as much cheap labor as possible. And if that means letting ISIS thugs infiltrate a non-existent border with Mexico, life’s tough, and life’s tougher when you’re not the boss. It’s good to be the boss.

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  18. Carey J. Inactive
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    Paul Dougherty:

    TKC1101:

    Paul Dougherty: He doesn’t strike me as a man easily persuadable by argument, regardless of the content or messenger. He is untethered to the country’s concerns

    What part of preserve the value of citizenship, secure the borders and get less one sided trade deals are not ‘the country’s concerns”?

    I recognize his success at the lip service he pays to the issues.

    Which is more than anyone else is doing. Lip service is better than no service at all.

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  19. Carey J. Inactive
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    Frank Soto:

    She: Isn’t this the single biggest reason to do everything possible to keep Hillary Clinton out of the White House? If not, why not?

    There is no reason to suspect Trump’s nominees will be better. None.

    There is no possible way they could be worse. None.

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  20. Carey J. Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt:Is it not funny how those that once told everybody to toe the GOPe line, to suck it up hold their nose and just vote the GOP in during the last few elections are now ready to cut and run when the primary process does not go the way they like?

    If they can’t rule the party, they’re perfectly willing to ruin it. As a matter of fact they’ve done a pretty good job or ruining the party while they have ruled it.

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  21. Carey J. Inactive
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    Fake John/Jane Galt:I was talking to a older gentleman over the holiday. He had a chuckle about Trump. Said the last time he saw the GOP in such a twitter was back when the voters nominated a ex Democrat, union boss, washed up B level film actor. It seemed to work out well then.

    If I recall correctly (and I do) the GOP establishment absolutely hated Ronald Reagan’s guts. He wasn’t the right sort, at all.

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  22. Percival Thatcher
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    Just remember this – you gotta remember, in all fairness, to the best of my knowledge, not too many evangelicals come out of Cuba, okay? Just remember that…just remember.

    – Donald Trump, Council Bluffs, Iowa, December 29th

    The man is a cur. If he expects that to win over evangelicals, he’s a dimwitted cur.

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  23. EThompson Member
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    PHCheese:Trump is living proof that a snake can reproduce with a cockroach.

    I bet ivanka might beg to differ.

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  24. TKC1101 Member
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    Man With the Axe: Now, I’m not talking about any particular candidate. But if such a candidate were to somehow be nominated, I don’t see how I could vote for him.

    If such a candidate shows up, we will be sure to inform you.

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  25. TKC1101 Member
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    Xennady: Now I’m not talking about any candidate in particular. I’m only talking about the ones I don’t like. I certainly won’t vote for a candidate I don’t like, so there.

    I believe we have spotted several of those. Would you like them fried, sauted or raw?

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  26. TKC1101 Member
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    Carey J.: If you’re a restaurateur, a hotelier, or a general contractor, “the country’s” only interest is having as much cheap labor as possible. And if that means letting ISIS thugs infiltrate a non-existent border with Mexico, life’s tough, and life’s tougher when you’re not the boss. It’s good to be the boss.

    If you want to run a restaurant or hotel for more than a few years before you go under, the retention of skilled labor who know how to cook, serve and clean becomes critical for profitability. Contractors that rely on unskilled labor do not last the next slowdown in work. There is a reason people who run these businesses have a 96% failure rate after five years.

    We live in the era of Yelp and Angies List.  Good luck with lowest cost labor strategy.

    The companies you are looking for are poultry processing and other jobs with indirect consumer interface.

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  27. Herbert Member
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    Sal: Trump never lied to the parents of fallen heroes.

    Denigrated the POW’s …

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  28. Herbert Member
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    BrentB67: eading his policy papers on his website they aren’t terrible. I think the concern like KP highlights is that he doesn’t always adhere to his own plans.

    Would not surprise me if he hadn’t read them..

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  29. Lidens Cheng Member
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    At least he seems genuine in his love for this country. Can’t say that for the democrats.

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  30. Xennady Member
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    TKC1101:

    Xennady: Now I’m not talking about any candidate in particular. I’m only talking about the ones I don’t like. I certainly won’t vote for a candidate I don’t like, so there.

    I believe we have spotted several of those. Would you like them fried, sauted or raw?

    Tarred and feathered, preferably.

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