October’s Ricochet GOP Polling

 

Not much has changed since the beginning of October. Among Ricochet members, the field is coalescing around Rubio, Fiorina, Cruz, and Jindal. They remain the top vote-getters but Fiorina and Cruz have swapped rankings. Carson’s absence is worth noting, especially since he’s the current front-runner in the polls.

1st choice all

The second-choice results feature the same candidates, with the addition of Carson.

2nd choice all

I think this further shows that these top four candidates are substitutes, especially Rubio or Fiorina, which I’ll show in the following graphs. Below is the second-choice among those who preferred Rubio.

Rubio 2nd choice

This graph shows the second-choice of those who are primarily supporting Fiorina.

Fiorina 2nd choice

And finally, we see where Cruz supporters go for their second choice, which is split pretty evenly between Rubio and Fiorina.

Cruz 2nd choice

I’ve compiled the historical data on Rubio, Cruz, and Fiorina. You can see that Fiorina seems to have peaked.

Top 3 historical line chart

At Max’s suggestion I compared the Ricochet poll results with the Real Clear Politics average of nation-wide polls. I’ve sorted it in descending order by the RCP numbers. You can get an idea of how Ricochet members differ from (what one may reasonably assume to be) the average GOP primary voter.

Ricochet vs RCP avg

I don’t know how many members we have from Iowa and New Hampshire but if we could get at least 300 or so to take a poll I’d love to see what that looks like and compare it with the nation-wide Ricochet vote, as well as other polling.

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  1. No Caesar Thatcher
    No Caesar
    @NoCaesar

    Nice work.  I’m from NH.  My top two choices are Rubio and Fiorina.  My top 5 add to them: Carson, Cruz and Jindal.

    One key aspect of the RCP that you should keep in mind is that it is very backward looking.  Polls tend to be slow in catching new trends.  A rolling average of polls even moreso.  I suspect the Ricochetti are a better predictor of changes and the development of new trends.  Where there is a new trend developing  I predict you’ll see it here a good 1-2 months before RCP.

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  2. Misthiocracy Member
    Misthiocracy
    @Misthiocracy

    rect4345

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  3. Commodore BTC Inactive
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    @CommodoreBTC

    a debate between those top four would be incredible (and a great way to market the party)

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  4. Marion Evans Inactive
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    @MarionEvans

    Misthiocracy:rect4345

    Awesome! With Undecided as Veep. Do another with Undecided also shown, in smaller letters.

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  5. Misthiocracy Member
    Misthiocracy
    @Misthiocracy

    Marion Evans:

    Misthiocracy:rect4345

    Awesome! With Undecided as Veep. Do another with Undecided also shown, in smaller letters.

    I posted this one back in August.

    other_undecided_300

    But fine, here’s your new one, slavedriver!

    rect4346

    Suggested slogan: “Together we can make America a thing.”

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  6. Songwriter Inactive
    Songwriter
    @user_19450

    I have a hunch that the average Rico member is better informed (and less likely to be swayed by national news reports) than the typical poll respondent. That would explain some of the differences between us and the national polls.

    And btw – Bereket – Thanks again for pulling this info together!

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  7. Marion Evans Inactive
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    @MarionEvans

    Misthiocracy:

    Marion Evans:

    Misthiocracy:rect4345

    Awesome! With Undecided as Veep. Do another with Undecided also shown, in smaller letters.

    I posted this one back in August.

    other_undecided_300

    But fine, here’s your new one, slavedriver!

    rect4346

    Suggested slogan: “Together we can make America a thing.”

    Love it. Thanks.

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  8. Bob Thompson Member
    Bob Thompson
    @BobThompson

    Where is Trump? If Carson is leading the RCP, isn’t Trump second?

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  9. Severely Ltd. Inactive
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    @SeverelyLtd

    Other? Is that the Donald’s secret service name?

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  10. donald todd Inactive
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    @donaldtodd

    I wonder why Ricochetti are so different from the polls I hear on FNS and Rush Limbaugh?  I know that we are divided to some degree by conservatism and libertarianism but we at this website seem to be on a different plane of existence from our peers outside of Ricochet.

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  11. Severely Ltd. Inactive
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    @SeverelyLtd

    donald todd:I wonder why Ricochetti are so different from the polls I hear on FNS and Rush Limbaugh? I know that we are divided to some degree by conservatism and libertarianism but we at this website seem to be on a different plane of existence from our peers outside of Ricochet.

    It’d be great if Ricochet became the bellwether of Republican primaries? Even better if we were prescient for the general.

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  12. Albert Arthur Coolidge
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    @AlbertArthur

    Misthiocracy:rect4345

    Aren’t you Canadian?

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  13. Severely Ltd. Inactive
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    @SeverelyLtd

    Albert Arthur:

    Misthiocracy:rect4345

    Aren’t you Canadian?

    Aren’t Canucks as entitled as the dead to vote in U.S. elections? There are more similarities than you might imagine.

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  14. Bereket Kelile Member
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    @BereketKelile

    Bob Thompson:Where is Trump? If Carson is leading the RCP, isn’t Trump second?

    I guess it may surprise you to learn that Trump isn’t very popular in these parts, which is a compliment to the Ricochet membership.

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  15. Misthiocracy Member
    Misthiocracy
    @Misthiocracy

    Albert Arthur:

    Misthiocracy:rect4345

    Aren’t you Canadian?

    Is there a law against foreigners posting silly memes?

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  16. Misthiocracy Member
    Misthiocracy
    @Misthiocracy

    Severely Ltd.:

    Albert Arthur:

    Misthiocracy:rect4345

    Aren’t you Canadian?

    Aren’t Canucks as entitled as the dead to vote in U.S. elections? There are more similarities than you might imagine.

    I am pretty clammy.

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  17. Leigh Inactive
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    @Leigh

    donald todd:I wonder why Ricochetti are so different from the polls I hear on FNS and Rush Limbaugh? I know that we are divided to some degree by conservatism and libertarianism but we at this website seem to be on a different plane of existence from our peers outside of Ricochet.

    Keep in mind, too, that back when Bush was leading the polls (that happened) he was at about 1% on Ricochet, too.

    Consider also that Walker led Ricochet pretty convincingly for a long time, with Rubio leading the second choice. And with Walker out, Rubio’s on top pretty convincingly. Fiorina had some movement, Cruz has moved around, but there’s some basic stability here. We’re obviously a self-selected group of unusually informed conservatives. That means it takes more to change our minds.

    And while you’ll hear every view represented, we evidently reflect the basic center of conservatism more than the full range of Republican opinion.

    Are those results at all meaningful? Don’t know. Ricochet arguably indicated a consensus conservative choice of Walker or Rubio months ago. As the race gets more serious all the smart people, wisely or foolishly, are starting to predict Rubio as the consensus conservative choice. Maybe we judged correctly early. Or maybe we live in a bubble.

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  18. Melissa O'Sullivan Member
    Melissa O'Sullivan
    @melissaosullivan

    Thanks for all your hard work on this, Bereket!  Very clear and detailed info in a readily digestible format and the trend lines are interesting!

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  19. Larry Koler Inactive
    Larry Koler
    @LarryKoler

    Misthiocracy:

    Marion Evans:

    Misthiocracy:rect4345

    Awesome! With Undecided as Veep. Do another with Undecided also shown, in smaller letters.

    I posted this one back in August.

    other_undecided_300

    But fine, here’s your new one, slavedriver!

    rect4346

    Suggested slogan: “Together we can make America a thing.”

    Mis: Genius stuff. Thanks for the laughs. I think I will print this up and put it on the office wall.

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  20. Bkelley14 Inactive
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    @Bkelley14

    Very interesting. Thank you! Gives me hope.

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  21. Arizona Patriot Member
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    @ArizonaPatriot

    donald todd:I wonder why Ricochetti are so different from the polls I hear on FNS and Rush Limbaugh? I know that we are divided to some degree by conservatism and libertarianism but we at this website seem to be on a different plane of existence from our peers outside of Ricochet.

    I think that the Ricochetti are far more politically aware than the typical “GOP voter.”  This is a self-selected group that: (1) thinks it’s really fun to read, and post, about politics; and (2) is willing to pay for access to the premier forum for such discussion.

    I suspect that a great many people who are polled as “GOP voters” haven’t really tuned in to the candidates, and that results are substantially driven by name recognition.

    I also suspect that a great many of such people are frustrated and fed up with politics and politicians in general, and therefore likely to tell a telephone pollster that they support a non-politician “outsider.”  This explains the high poll numbers for Trump and Carson.

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  22. Songwriter Inactive
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    @user_19450

    Arizona Patriot:

    donald todd:I wonder why Ricochetti are so different from the polls I hear on FNS and Rush Limbaugh? I know that we are divided to some degree by conservatism and libertarianism but we at this website seem to be on a different plane of existence from our peers outside of Ricochet.

    I think that the Ricochetti are far more politically aware than the typical “GOP voter.” This is a self-selected group that: (1) thinks it’s really fun to read, and post, about politics; and (2) is willing to pay for access to the premier forum for such discussion.

    I suspect that a great many people who are polled as “GOP voters” haven’t really tuned in to the candidates, and that results are substantially driven by name recognition.

    I also suspect that a great many of such people are frustrated and fed up with politics and politicians in general, and therefore likely to tell a telephone pollster that they support a non-politician “outsider.” This explains the high poll numbers for Trump and Carson.

    Bingo. This exactly.

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  23. Leigh Inactive
    Leigh
    @Leigh

    Arizona Patriot: I also suspect that a great many of such people are frustrated and fed up with politics and politicians in general, and therefore likely to tell a telephone pollster that they support a non-politician “outsider.”  This explains the high poll numbers for Trump and Carson.

    It’s also an open question how this actually translates into votes. “Fed up” may mean “cynical.” It may very well not mean “furious and I’m going to do something about it.”

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  24. BuckeyeSam Inactive
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    @BuckeyeSam

    It’s disheartening to see so many Rubio supporters. I had no idea so many favored amnesty over the rule of law and actually enforcing the law.

    Go along to get along. Enjoy the cocktail parties with your fabulously liberal friends.

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