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  1. Wiley Inactive
    Wiley
    @Wiley

    I agree with most of the comments. But my main reaction to watching the video was how much I dislike Couric.

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  2. Dan Hanson Thatcher
    Dan Hanson
    @DanHanson

    jetstream:

    Reagan never pulled his punches, which is why he won two landslides.

    Reagan ‘pulled his punches’ all the time when it was strategically smart to do so.  When he finally decided he could work with Gorbachev and started softening relations with the Soviet Union,  he did so against the opposition of his own right wing in the House and Senate.   He was constantly cutting deals with Tip O’Neill, with whom he developed a warm and mutually respectful relationship.   He gave in on tax increases.   David Stockman lost faith in Reagan precisely because Reagan compromised so much on spending that the deficit ballooned.   But Reagan made those compromises to build support for his defense build-up and his Soviet strategy, which at the time was more important.

    Reagan’s strength was that he knew exactly where he could compromise and where he needed to stand firm.  And he used the former to gain more ground with the latter.  That’s how you get conservative policies through.  Not by yelling and stamping your feet and drawing lines in the sand.   One of Reagan’s key strengths is that everyone liked him – even his opponents.   He didn’t achieve that by being bombastic and refusing to compromise.

    The problem with the Republicans today isn’t that they compromise,  it’s that they do it so poorly that they constantly get steamrollered by the Democrats.   It’s also that they compromise on the wrong things.  They give up the farm on very big issues and then stamp their feet at irrelevancies.  They’re simply incompetent.  Boehner is a failure not because he’s squishy or a Rhino – he’s a failure because he doesn’t have the skills to go toe-to-toe with his opponents on both sides of the aisle.

    The solution to that problem is to elect smarter, more capable people who can do the dance.   If all you care about is ideology,  you’ll continue to elect committed conservatives who get slaughtered once they are actually inside the machine.

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  3. jetstream Inactive
    jetstream
    @jetstream

    Reagan never pulled his punches advocating his conservative philosophy and principles. Cutting the best deal possible with the Democrats in congress was not pulling punches – the Democrats held a majority in the House 8 of 8 years and a majority in the Senate for 6 of 8 years.

    Reagan never pulled his punches communicating with the American people or debating the MSM.

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  4. Dan Hanson Thatcher
    Dan Hanson
    @DanHanson

    That’s true.  But Reagan could pull that off because he had immense depth of knowledge when it came to the core principles he believed in.   If you pressed him on his conservative beliefs,  he could quote Locke and Bastiat and Hayek all day long.   He was immune to the ‘gotcha’ question because he almost always knew more about the question than did his interviewer.   And because his beliefs came from a very deep intellectual place,  he could speak extemporaneously and off-script and not contradict himself or get twisted into a corner by a clever interviewer.

    The problem I have with many Republican leaders today is that too many of them know how to say the words,  but they really aren’t sure why other than at a very superficial level.  That’s why they always seem to become deers in the headlights as soon as they are knocked slightly out of their comfort zones.   They’re cargo-cult Republicans.

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  5. Dan Hanson Thatcher
    Dan Hanson
    @DanHanson

    ctlaw said:

    From the point of view of global warming, there is no such thing as clean coal.

    I completely agree.  ‘Clean Coal’ is a chimera.  Some people don’t seem to understand that CO2 is not like Sulfer Dioxide or other pollutants that exist in much smaller percentages.   CO2 is the major component of fossil fuel combustion.  It can’t be ‘filtered’ out.

    Sequestration is incredibly expensive – a gallon of gas produces about 20lbs of CO2.  The output is greater in volume and mass than the input.  Now think about the massive infrastructure we have for moving oil and gas around and storing it, and you can get an idea of the scale that would be required.   It would make oil completely uneconomical – which is probably why the left supports it.

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  6. Judge Mental Member
    Judge Mental
    @JudgeMental

    Dan Hanson:ctlaw said:

    I completely agree. ‘Clean Coal’ is a chimera. Some people don’t seem to understand that CO2 is not like Sulfer Dioxide or other pollutants that exist in much smaller percentages. CO2 is the major component of fossil fuel combustion. It can’t be ‘filtered’ out.

    Sequestration is incredibly expensive – a gallon of gas produces about 20lbs of CO2. The output is greater in volume and mass than the input. Now think about the massive infrastructure we have for moving oil and gas around and storing it, and you can get an idea of the scale that would be required. It would make oil completely uneconomical – which is probably why the left supports it.

    The candidates should be pushing back on the whole “carbon pollution” thing.  CO2 is all natural and completely organic.  They should be selling it at Whole Foods.

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  7. philo Member
    philo
    @philo

    drlorentz: By agreeing that human action was required to address the problem, she also implicitly agreed that human action caused the problem. The mitigation strategies all involve reducing human-caused emissions of CO2 and CH4. Certainly, most viewers would interpret it that way.

    Yes, but intelligent viewers sensed that she really wasn’t “agreeing” so much as “not disagreeing” and then using the forum to minimize the importance of the issue to the point of total insult to Ms. Couric and her ilk.

    drlorentz: Sure sounds like government action to me.

    Yes, you win (technically). But you seem to read much into what she (and, possibly, he) meant by “government action”.  Until she gets more explicit, I’ll cut her some slack and enjoy performances such as this.

    Look, I suspect I’m with you on the science but where you are stuck on “Yet this tiptoeing around the media is what got us where we are today“, Mrs. Fiorina seems to think think that not giving them the sound bite / ammunition to completely marginalize her from now on is a better strategy.  I suspect that her plan of staying in the game on this…or at least showing others how to do it…and then spending four or eight years “minimizing” whatever government action and educating the public from the office is more effective than earning the “denier” stamp in six seconds of an interview of which the remaining 43:32 would never be seen by anyone.

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  8. Trink Coolidge
    Trink
    @Trink

    THANK YOU WESTERN CHAUVINIST!   WOOOOEEEEE!!

    Just played this for hubby.  We’re literally applauding it.

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  9. Son of Spengler Member
    Son of Spengler
    @SonofSpengler

    No one yet has mentioned Carly’s repetition of the phrase, “read the fine print.” I suspect she was prepared to address shortcomings in common presumptions of AGW, but not until Couric asked about specifics. Couric probably realized she was outmatched on preparation and declined to take Carly’s bait. There was no follow up on “the fine print”, despite repeated opportunities.

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  10. Dan Hanson Thatcher
    Dan Hanson
    @DanHanson

    Larry Koler said:

    Yes, learn to be very afraid of the media. Don’t take them on because they are too powerful.

    That’s the premise that I find troubling.

    I totally get that.  And I don’t disagree.  I also get the fear that ‘conceding’ the basic science moves the bar in the wrong direction.  But I look at it a different way:  Good debate tactics are good debate tactics.  You don’t have to be afraid of the mainstream media to want to crush them in a debate.

    Personally,  I find it very refreshing to watch a candidate who doesn’t make me quake in fear of a stupid answer every time they are interviewed.  I like watching a candidate who can twist Katie Couric or Chris Matthews into a pretzel  and make them squirm.  And I don’t think you have to concede the basic science to do this – you just have to deflect the question away from it and direct towards where the democrats are the weakest.   That’s giving up nothing.

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  11. iWe Coolidge
    iWe
    @iWe

    CO2 is plant food. It is true, and a great line. Say it loud and proud.

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  12. Tom Meyer, Ed. Member
    Tom Meyer, Ed.
    @tommeyer

    My regard for her continues its precipitous rise.

    If we don’t nominate Fioria for president, we need to find something important for her. I’m not sure what that is, but she has Grade-A political and communication skills, and we’d be fools not to employ then.

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  13. Pencilvania Inactive
    Pencilvania
    @Pencilvania

    Son of Spengler:

    No one yet has mentioned Carly’s repetition of the phrase, “read the fine print.”

    We have been stuck for too long with pols who don’t even read the bill, let alone the fine print.  I get the feeling if she were President we’d never hear her say at a press conference,” Well, I haven’t seen it yet, so I can’t comment.”

    Bumper sticker: Carly 2016: She even reads the fine print.

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  14. John Penfold Member
    John Penfold
    @IWalton

    She is in a league of her own in these situations, which means she is probably the most electable of our candidates, especially against Hillary.   Moreover, it’s hard to believe that she wouldn’t be an outstanding President because she could and probably would sell the  radical changes we must have.

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  15. Chris Member
    Chris
    @Chris

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:My regard for her continues its precipitous rise.

    If we don’t nominate Fioria for president, we need to find something important for her. I’m not sure what that is, but this she has Grade-A political and communication skills, and we’d be fools not to employ then.

    Is VP a viable choice?  Or would we need an old DC hand like Obama choosing Biden?

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  16. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Chris:

    Tom Meyer, Ed.:My regard for her continues its precipitous rise.

    If we don’t nominate Fioria for president, we need to find something important for her. I’m not sure what that is, but this she has Grade-A political and communication skills, and we’d be fools not to employ then.

    Is VP a viable choice? Or would we need an old DC hand like Obama choosing Biden?

    Obama chose Biden because he knew Old Joe would always make him look good — by contrast. It was the choice of a weak man. We don’t need that.

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  17. Manfred Arcane Inactive
    Manfred Arcane
    @ManfredArcane

    ctlaw:From the point of view of global warming, there is no such thing as clean coal.

    Also, what is this about solar power requiring local water?

    It seemsshe is good at regurgitating talking points without understanding the underlying science.

    This link runs through the solar power plant designs to show that some do use a fair amount of water (solar concentrators with steam cooldown).  Quote:

    Concentrating solar thermal projects can use a fair amount of water per megawatt-hour, especially if they’re so-called “wet-cooled” projects that use escaping water vapor to keep operating temperatures from getting too high. In California, state policy requires that solar thermal projects use “dry-cooling” technology, which uses air flow instead of water to cool things down.

    http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/rewire/solar/fact-check-how-much-water-does-solar-power-really-use.html

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  18. John Penfold Member
    John Penfold
    @IWalton

    If Carly is our nominee, Hillary will not get on the stage with her.  The Democrats will pick someone else, or there will be some outrage they will get the mob behind to avoid debating Carly.    Any bets?

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  19. Jules PA Inactive
    Jules PA
    @JulesPA

    Manfred Arcane:

    ctlaw:From the point of view of global warming, there is no such thing as clean coal.

    Also, what is this about solar power requiring local water?

    It seemsshe is good at regurgitating talking points without understanding the underlying science.

    This link runs through the solar power plant designs to show that some do use a fair amount of water (solar concentrators with steam cooldown). Quote:

    http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/rewire/solar/fact-check-how-much-water-does-solar-power-really-use.html

    Thanks for this. Ctlaw’s challenge to Carly’s statement is fair, and you providing supporting facts validates the statement she made.

    This is difficult work to vet 2 candidates, let alone 10 or 17. It’s a long, and winding road…

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  20. Jules PA Inactive
    Jules PA
    @JulesPA

    John Penfold: the mob

    No bets, but mob tactics will come into play, no matter who.

    Whether those tactics are successful will depend on our candidate.

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  21. Manfred Arcane Inactive
    Manfred Arcane
    @ManfredArcane

    Dan Hanson:ctlaw said:

    I completely agree. ‘Clean Coal’ is a chimera. Some people don’t seem to understand that CO2 is not like Sulfer Dioxide or other pollutants that exist in much smaller percentages. CO2 is the major component of fossil fuel combustion. It can’t be ‘filtered’ out.

    Sequestration is incredibly expensive – a gallon of gas produces about 20lbs of CO2. The output is greater in volume and mass than the input. Now think about the massive infrastructure we have for moving oil and gas around and storing it, and you can get an idea of the scale that would be required. It would make oil completely uneconomical – which is probably why the left supports it.

    ‘Clean’ coal could mean something different in her parlance – removing mercury emissions, for instance.  She probably was not referring to CO2 as the pollutant that was the cause for the ‘cleaning’.  Folks who dislike using coal-fired plants aren’t oftentimes, (and maybe not even usually) concerned as much about the CO2 as the other pollutants.

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  22. Manfred Arcane Inactive
    Manfred Arcane
    @ManfredArcane

    Jules PA:

    Manfred Arcane:

    ctlaw:From the point of view of global warming, there is no such thing as clean coal.

    Also, what is this about solar power requiring local water?

    It seemsshe is good at regurgitating talking points without understanding the underlying science.

    This link runs through the solar power plant designs to show that some do use a fair amount of water (solar concentrators with steam cooldown). Quote:

    http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/rewire/solar/fact-check-how-much-water-does-solar-power-really-use.html

    Thanks for this. Ctlaw’s challenge to Carly’s statement is fair, and you providing supporting facts validates the statement she made.

    This is difficult work to vet 2 candidates, let alone 10 or 17. It’s a long, and winding road…

    Mr. Hansen provided better data earlier, I failed to see his comment before making mine.  My bad.

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  23. Manfred Arcane Inactive
    Manfred Arcane
    @ManfredArcane

    Jules PA: It’s a long, and winding road…

    Wow, what a nice, evocative phrase.  Makes me want to hum a tune to go along with it…

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  24. Manfred Arcane Inactive
    Manfred Arcane
    @ManfredArcane

    Manfred Arcane:

    Jules PA: It’s a long, and winding road…

    Wow, what a nice, evocative phrase. Makes me want to hum a tune to go along with it…


    Jules PA
    : It’s a long, and winding road…

    Wow, what a nice, evocative phrase.  Makes me want to hum a tune to go along with it…

    And then there is this phrase too: “just a small town girl, living in a crazy world”,  equally evocative.  :)

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  25. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Larry Koler: This is the nub of the problem. But, Carly is trying to be careful and smart. Since she is a second tier candidate she has to show that she isn’t scary and can be trusted. She’s not in a position to take the MSM on yet. I LOVE how she talks about Hillary and Obama — bracing stuff.

    I disagree that Carly looks like she’s trying to be careful. She definitely is being smart, but she throws bombs like “destroys lives and livelihoods” and “self-defeating” and “we don’t tell people the whole truth” and “frankly, ridiculous for the Obama administration…”

    Heh, that last one made blood squirt from Couric’s eyes… am I allowed to say that?

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  26. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Manfred Arcane:

    ctlaw:From the point of view of global warming, there is no such thing as clean coal.

    Also, what is this about solar power requiring local water?

    It seemsshe is good at regurgitating talking points without understanding the underlying science.

    This link runs through the solar power plant designs to show that some do use a fair amount of water (solar concentrators with steam cooldown). Quote:

    http://www.kcet.org/news/redefine/rewire/solar/fact-check-how-much-water-does-solar-power-really-use.html

    That may be true about the electricity production, but don’t those huge solar arrays require quarterly cleaning to keep them running efficiently?

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  27. Owen Findy Inactive
    Owen Findy
    @OwenFindy

    She said some good things, but I wanted her to declare, succinctly, that GLOBAL WARMING (not “climate change”) is not a dire threat, that the science has not given us reason enough to think it’s a problem.

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  28. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Manfred Arcane: Folks who dislike using coal-fired plants aren’t oftentimes, (and maybe not even usually) concerned as much about the CO2 as the other pollutants.

    That would be true for everyone but the climate hysterics who’ve managed to have CO2 declared a pollutant. In context, Carly’s point isn’t strictly accurate, even if in reality it is.

    But, I’m glad she didn’t try to debate “the science” with the likes of Katie Couric and her audience.

    Finally! Someone on our side who understands political gamesmanship.

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  29. kmtanner Inactive
    kmtanner
    @kmtanner

    Destroy is overrated and overused word.

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  30. Western Chauvinist Member
    Western Chauvinist
    @WesternChauvinist

    Owen Findy:She said some good things, but I wanted her to declare, succinctly, that GLOBAL WARMING (not “climate change”) is not a dire threat, that the science has not given us reason enough to think it’s a problem.

    Disagree. Read Dan Hanson’s comments up-thread.

    We do need to adapt to “climate change” — whatever that may be, whenever it’s happening. When we use the Left’s language against their argument, we seize territory on their game board.

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