CDC and FDA Blast DeSantis and Ladapo—Again

 

If anyone disagrees with the FDA or the CDC, those agencies will punish those who speak out and do their best to discredit them. Both of these agencies already condemned Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo and Governor DeSantis, and they are having to take their licks again, but given the increased pushback that the federal government is getting, Florida is even more adamant about its condemnations of the feds. This was the reaction, in spite of the even-handed comments  of SG Ladapo:

‘With the amount of immunity that’s in the community — with virtually every walking human being having some degree of immunity, and with the questions we have about safety and about effectiveness, especially about safety, my judgment is that it’s not a good decision for young people and for people who are not at high risk at this point in the pandemic,’ he said.

Two medical doctors have challenged Ladapo about his credibility:

Previous guidance by Ladapo about Covid-19 vaccine safety has been widely rejected by the medical community. Daniel Salmon, director of the Institute for Vaccine Safety at Johns Hopkins University, said Wednesday it appeared that Ladapo and the others at the roundtable were selectively highlighting data to show problems with the new boosters.

‘In general, they’re cherry-picking data and facts and science,’ Salmon said. “And I think that they’re there, because they don’t want to recommend this vaccine for Florida.’

Is Salmon confused about Dr. Ladapo’s criticism? Does he think that Ladapo is rejecting the new vaccine out of spite? And when people use the “cherry-picking” criticism, you can often be confident that the evidence referenced might actually be accurate.

The other absurd and irrational response to Ladapo came from Jason Salemi, an epidemiology professor at University of South Florida College of Public Health. He claims, for one, that people under 65 are still at risk of death from Covid-19. He neglects to say how high the risk is, because it would damage his credibility. He also said:

‘Equipping ourselves with and implementing mitigation measures can result in considerably less severe illness, less long Covid, and less mortality, all with little impact on our day-to-day lives,’ Salemi wrote in an email. ‘So, there is clearly a need.’

The facts are, unfortunately for Salemi, that we are already experiencing much less severe illness; I suspect he has no data on long Covid, and death rates have dropped significantly since the virus appeared. But when you create your own facts, you can say anything you wish.

Governor DeSantis also continues to be attacked by the CDC and FDA; for one, he refuses to recommend vaccines for children under five. He has also recommended that the Florida legislature prohibit mandatory school mask mandates, and that bars be prohibited from requiring that employees get the vaccine.

Another misleading comment came from Dr. William Schaffner at Vanderbilt University:

‘COVID continues to be one of the 10 leading causes of death,’ Schaffner said. ‘We can keep two thoughts in our mind at the same time. Yes, it is true that children are less seriously affected than, for example, senior citizens.’

He continued, ‘However, although they are less affected, it doesn’t mean they’re unaffected. Indeed, they are infected severely enough.’

Schaffner advised parents who are concerned to directly speak to their children’s pediatricians about the COVID-19 vaccines.

Unfortunately for Dr. Schaffner, Covid is not listed as one of the ten leading causes of death, even as a sub-category; it appears this article collected its data from the CDC, which also does not include Covid in that list. Regarding children’s infection with Covid, I wonder what is their being infected “severely enough?” The only wise suggestion he offered (if a parent trusts her pediatrician) is to check with that doctor regarding vaccination for children.

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Given the information put out by credible medical sources against the vaccine, the lack of large-scale Covid testing by Big Pharma, and the unwillingness of public health organizations to challenge the CDC and FDA, the Florida Department of Health pushed back on the federal agencies:

‘The response from the federal government is just another redundant display of the same apathetic talking point of ‘safe and effective,’ a spokesperson said in a statement. ‘Googling their fact sheets would have achieved the same result. While the Feds gaslight the American public, Florida pushes for the truth.’

The statement continued, ‘Three inquiries remain unanswered: 1. Access to raw patient-level data to allow for unbiased research. 2. Adequate attention surrounding the risks detected by numerous researchers around the world. 3. Public transparency from the CDC, FDA, and Big Pharma.’

Until Florida gets some answers, it will continue to fight back.

P.S. Watch the Feds push back even more with DeSantis running for President.

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  1. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Does anyone find this statement reassuring?–

    The Association of State and Territorial Health Officials “thinks the proper way forward now is that we’re not going to do government mandates, but institutions may choose to make some of those decisions, and that’s going to be on a case-by-case basis,” Plescia said.

    So it sounds like the governments, local, state and federal will let local organizations and businesses put out a trial balloon, say, on mask mandates. Those governments will be watching to see how the public responds; if there’s not a lot of pushback, watch for more and more mandates to appear, possibly by governments.

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  2. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Does anyone find this statement reassuring?–

    The Association of State and Territorial Health Officials “thinks the proper way forward now is that we’re not going to do government mandates, but institutions may choose to make some of those decisions, and that’s going to be on a case-by-case basis,” Plescia said.

    So it sounds like the governments, local, state and federal will let local organizations and businesses put out a trial balloon, say, on mask mandates. Those governments will be watching to see how the public responds; if there’s not a lot of pushback, watch for more and more mandates to appear, possibly by governments.

    I fully expect our Blue City to try it. I can’t wait to rebel! I plan to be a reg’lar PITA!

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  3. MarciN Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    I thought I saw that too, but a couple of days ago, I went looking on the Internet to find that story, and everything I’ve read says they haven’t approved it.

    Do you have a link to that story? I’d love to see it again. It’s as if it disappeared.

    Here’s what I just found:

    The agency has not changed its guidance on the drug. A spokesperson told PolitiFact that the FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19.

    That’s what I saw too on the FDA and CDC websites. 

    It’s interesting. Thank you. 

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  4. MarciN Member
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    My guess is that Internet censorship is happening superfast now. 

    I am 90 percent sure I saw a story a couple of weeks ago saying clearly that the FDA had just approved the use of Ivermectin for covid. 

    But perhaps I am paranoid. :) :)

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  5. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    My guess is that Internet censorship is happening superfast now.

    I am 90 percent sure I saw a story a couple of weeks ago saying clearly that the FDA had just approved the use of Ivermectin for covid.

    But perhaps I am paranoid. :) :)

    One article said that when the CDC reiterated its position, people assumed that it was a reversal. You may have seen something that misunderstood what was being said. Nah, you’re not paranoid . . . . ;-)

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf Member
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I am 90 percent sure I saw a story a couple of weeks ago saying clearly that the FDA had just approved the use of Ivermectin for covid.

    Yeah, me, too. But it might merely have been “no longer bans the use of Ivermectin for COVID” or “will no longer send the FBI on a pre-dawn raid to the homes of any doctors who prescribe it.” Which you gotta admit is quite a reversal anyway.

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  7. She Member
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    Frankly, I am enjoying the sight of CNN, et al, fact-checking Donald Trump on his recent statements (see Megyn Kelly and other interviews) that DeSantis turned Florida into some sort of Covid prison, and showing them to be false (which they are).  On that particular note, I wish only that Trump could own up to reality, say that he was wrong about some things, and that–the next time such a thing happens–he’d act differently, rather than allowing folks such as Scott Atlas to be thrown under the bus as sacrificial victims. (Also, as an aside, his response on the man-woman trans issue in Kelly’s interview was disappointing.)

    Going forward, if DeSantis doesn’t capitalize and make hay with this, then he’s not the man I think he is.

    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    My mother has long term effects from Covid

    I’ve known a few people who suffered very long-term effects, so I am not willing to say “Long COVID doesn’t exist, it’s all in their heads.”

    I may still have an issue myself, which is annoying, since my bout with COVID was pratically asymptomatic.

    I hope you’re OK.  I had the first two Pfizer shots.  I’m not having any more.  I had Covid nine months later, in January of 2022, at the age of 67.  It was bad. Thank God for my friends who brought prepared food and groceries and placed it outside the driveway gates, sort of like the offerings outside the village walls during the medieval plagues.

    I’ve had an annual lung scan since 1990, because of diagnosed Sarcoidosis (one of Gregory House’s favorites, along with Lupus).  My own isn’t doing much, and is moving quite slowly.  I missed more than a year of scans because of Covid shutdowns, so I had the first one since February of 2021 in February of 2023.

    Guess what?  New–concerning–black spots.  Shock, horror.  And a recommendation that I have another scan in 3-6 months.

    “Oh,” I said. “Bet that has something to do with the Covid, and that it took me months to overcome the apparent lung damage, shortness of breath, and the pretty severe coughing.”   By the time they did the February 2023 scan, I was well on the mend, had resumed more-or-less normal life, and so I didn’t worry all that much.

    Five months later, in July of this year, they did another scan.  And all the “new” black spots in my lungs since my February 2021 scan had resolved and were gone.

    One step at a time.

    Prayers and best wishes.

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  8. kedavis Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    My guess is that Internet censorship is happening superfast now.

    I am 90 percent sure I saw a story a couple of weeks ago saying clearly that the FDA had just approved the use of Ivermectin for covid.

    But perhaps I am paranoid. :) :)

    One article said that when the CDC reiterated its position, people assumed that it was a reversal. You may have seen something that misunderstood what was being said. Nah, you’re not paranoid . . . . ;-)

    Except the story I saw was FDA, not CDC.

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    She (View Comment):
    Going forward, if DeSantis doesn’t capitalize and make hay with this, then he’s not the man I think he is.

    I’m all for DeSantis capitalizing on almost anything! What did you have in mind? He’s spent years going after the CDC and FDA…

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  10. TBA Coolidge
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    OP’s quote of Jason Salemi ‘Equipping ourselves with and implementing mitigation measures can result in considerably less severe illness, less long Covid, and less mortality, all with little impact on our day-to-day lives,’ Salemi wrote in an email. ‘So, there is clearly a need.’

    What a weak case for a ‘clear need’. 

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  11. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    She (View Comment):

    Five months later, in July of this year, they did another scan.  And all the “new” black spots in my lungs since my February 2021 scan had resolved and were gone.

    One step at a time.

    Boy, do I understand that attitude! I had no idea you had all that stuff going on! I’m waiting on some health news (nothing life-threatening) and I had another friend ask how I keep from going crazy with all that’s going on. I gave her @arahant’s advice: distract yourself!

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  12. QuietPI Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

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    Fercryinoutloud! Something just occurred to me, and I looked up ivermectin in “United States Pharmacopeia” (USP). Sure enough, here’s the listing of ivermectin as a drug for humans:

    https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=847a1dd7-d65b-4a0e-a67d-d90392059dac&type=display

    Sorry, CDC, FDA, you haven’t got a leg left to stand on.

    Where have you been? FDA reversed their position on Ivermectin just last month, I think it was. Although I’m sure they don’t admit to having been WRONG.

    Right.  I’ve been following the whole thing from the beginning.  Now it’s their refusal to change their “you’re not a horse” line.  It’s that, here it is, in one click, that buries every argument, every policy, every firing that has happened over these years.  In one keystroke, you can win any argument, and prove that CEC and FDA are liars.

    Correct, ivermectin has not been approved.  Macht nichts.  That argument never did carry water.  The issue of the government dictating who can or cannot receive a particular treatment is another issue, and at least as dangerous as all this.

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  13. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf Member
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    She (View Comment):

    Frankly, I am enjoying the sight of CNN, et al, fact-checking Donald Trump on his recent statements (see Megyn Kelly and other interviews) that DeSantis turned Florida into some sort of Covid prison, and showing them to be false (which they are). On that particular note, I wish only that Trump could own up to reality, say that he was wrong about some things, and that–the next time such a thing happens–he’d act differently, rather than allowing folks such as Scott Atlas to be thrown under the bus as sacrificial victims. (Also, as an aside, his response on the man-woman trans issue in Kelly’s interview was disappointing.)

    Going forward, if DeSantis doesn’t capitalize and make hay with this, then he’s not the man I think he is.

    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    My mother has long term effects from Covid

    I’ve known a few people who suffered very long-term effects, so I am not willing to say “Long COVID doesn’t exist, it’s all in their heads.”

    I may still have an issue myself, which is annoying, since my bout with COVID was pratically asymptomatic.

    I hope you’re OK. I had the first two Pfizer shots. I’m not having any more.

    I’m vax-free, thankfully. Got COVID in late 2020 just as they were rolling it out to seniors, and afterwards figured I was nice and immune. (And must be since I’ve never had it since. To my knowledge.) But a few weeks afterwards started having shortness of breath. Doctors never found anything and just chalked it up to COVID (although during COVID I never had anything of the sort). And it persisted for many months, slowly improving. Then for most of the past year I’d say it went away almost entirely, but seems to have come back over the last several weeks. Not as bad as it was, but . . . it’s annoying. 

    I’m trying to figure out what triggers it. Stress? Allergies? . . . Kids? Oddly, I don’t experience it when I’m out biking or doing other exercise. Exercise seems to help.

    Maybe it’s stress. That would track a bit.

     

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  14. Bunsen Coolidge
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    Dr. Bastiat (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    John Park (View Comment):

    The key is the absence of large scale testing that would occur for any other drug. We’re guinea pigs for Big Pharma.

    And I’ve heard nothing about large scale testing. Has anyone else?

    That would be a very bad idea for Moderna and Pfizer.

    They’ve already sold billions of dollars worth of these new vaccines to the US Government.

    What if they did a big study and it showed some type of problem? Further research can only hurt them at this point.

    One common problem with government run health care is misplaced incentives. They’re not being evil, they’re being practical. Once the government stops buying this stuff, then perhaps they’ll do more research. Because they’re being practical.

    Incentives matter.

    Question – I heard they (Pfizer and Moderna) are selling current vax direct and not to government.  Does that change the equation?   

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  15. MarciN Member
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    kedavis (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    My guess is that Internet censorship is happening superfast now.

    I am 90 percent sure I saw a story a couple of weeks ago saying clearly that the FDA had just approved the use of Ivermectin for covid.

    But perhaps I am paranoid. :) :)

    One article said that when the CDC reiterated its position, people assumed that it was a reversal. You may have seen something that misunderstood what was being said. Nah, you’re not paranoid . . . . ;-)

    Except the story I saw was FDA, not CDC.

    I saw it too. It was the FDA.

     

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  16. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    My guess is that Internet censorship is happening superfast now.

    I am 90 percent sure I saw a story a couple of weeks ago saying clearly that the FDA had just approved the use of Ivermectin for covid.

    But perhaps I am paranoid. :) :)

    One article said that when the CDC reiterated its position, people assumed that it was a reversal. You may have seen something that misunderstood what was being said. Nah, you’re not paranoid . . . . ;-)

    Except the story I saw was FDA, not CDC.

    I saw it too. It was the FDA.

     

    I was just guessing which agency was referenced. I probably guessed wrong.

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  17. Bryan G. Stephens Thatcher
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    My mother has long term effects from Covid

    What I know about chronic lung infections in general would support that possibility. It shouldn’t be discounted.

    Extended respiration therapy would help patients who are having that problem, I would think.

    She was on O2 for 18 months. 

    But still has brain fog

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  18. MarciN Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    My guess is that Internet censorship is happening superfast now.

    I am 90 percent sure I saw a story a couple of weeks ago saying clearly that the FDA had just approved the use of Ivermectin for covid.

    But perhaps I am paranoid. :) :)

    One article said that when the CDC reiterated its position, people assumed that it was a reversal. You may have seen something that misunderstood what was being said. Nah, you’re not paranoid . . . . ;-)

    Except the story I saw was FDA, not CDC.

    I saw it too. It was the FDA.

     

    I was just guessing which agency was referenced. I probably guessed wrong.

    Right. I was just saying that my recollection of the story I cannot now find was that it was specifically the FDA. :) :) 

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  19. Fritz Coolidge
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    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    I am 90 percent sure I saw a story a couple of weeks ago saying clearly that the FDA had just approved the use of Ivermectin for covid.

    Yeah, me, too. But it might merely have been “no longer bans the use of Ivermectin for COVID” or “will no longer send the FBI on a pre-dawn raid to the homes of any doctors who prescribe it.” Which you gotta admit is quite a reversal anyway.

    That is my impression as well: instead of trying to blackball and cancel every physician who recommends Ivermectin to treat Covid, the FDA is now backing off and so, as Ivermectin has long been approved for other uses in humans, it is back to being allowed to be prescribed “off label” in the doctor’s professional judgment and discretion.  I think.

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  20. db25db Inactive
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    I had the much more prevalent yet much less discussed ‘short covid’.  It lasted a couple days and then I got over it.  

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  21. TBA Coolidge
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    db25db (View Comment):

    I had the much more prevalent yet much less discussed ‘short covid’. It lasted a couple days and then I got over it.

    Much like my misgendering PTSD. 

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  22. WI Con Member
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    Scott Wilmot (View Comment):

    I think “long Covid” is a pseudonym for “Covid Derangement Syndrome”. This has become a mental illness. Does the CDC ever put out information on how to eat healthy, boost one’s immune system, or stay sane? Or do they just push drugs with their Big Pharma buddies. The CDC and FDA are a joke.

    Congrats to DeSantis and Ladapo.

    Not sure how many of you saw the series on Oxycodon, “Dopesick”. Was a good show. The pharma salespeople cooked up a term called “Breakthrough Pain” in order to justify continued prescriptions. 

    The term “Long Covid” sure reminds me of that.

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  23. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    DrewInWisconsin, Œuf (View Comment):

    QuietPI (View Comment):

    Fercryinoutloud! Something just occurred to me, and I looked up ivermectin in “United States Pharmacopeia” (USP). Sure enough, here’s the listing of ivermectin as a drug for humans:

    https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=847a1dd7-d65b-4a0e-a67d-d90392059dac&type=display

    Sorry, CDC, FDA, you haven’t got a leg left to stand on.

    The FDA is being sued for their “You’re not a horse!” Tweet.

    Which is lovely.

    Ironically, the Carter Center (that’s Democrat President Jimmy Carter’s thing) has been distributing millions of doses of Ivermectin around the world since the 90s. I imagine it came as some surprise to them to learn that they were giving people horse medicine. Did the FDA know they were standing in opposition to Jimmy Carter!?

    The discoverer of the avermectin family of drugs (which includes ivermectin) received a Nobel Prize.  It’s a life changing anti-parasite medication.  I’m not sure it is great for COVID, but I am sure the government should not crack down on doctors using it off label.  It’s side effect profile is far better known than the vaccine, to be frank, and the FDA torched its own reputation with that statement.

    Also, we hear nothing about Vitamin D, despite strong evidence linking deficiency and severity of COVID.   They locked on to Mask/Vax/Distance and refused to consider other options.

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  24. The Reticulator Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    John Park (View Comment):

    The key is the absence of large scale testing that would occur for any other drug. We’re guinea pigs for Big Pharma.

    And I’ve heard nothing about large scale testing. Has anyone else?

    Sure. The initial emergency approvals were based on large scale testing. Testing of recent boosters does not require the same level of testing, but just the same it has been somewhat lacking.

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  25. Headedwest Coolidge
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    John Park (View Comment):

    The key is the absence of large scale testing that would occur for any other drug. We’re guinea pigs for Big Pharma.

    And I’ve heard nothing about large scale testing. Has anyone else?

    Sure. The initial emergency approvals were based on large scale testing. Testing of recent boosters does not require the same level of testing, but just the same it has been somewhat lacking. scant to nonexistent.

     

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  26. Unsk 🚫 Banned
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    The approvals of  the VAX were based upon large scale testing that was fraudulent and ignored  many problems. The Epoch Times has had too many articles on this to count.

    Reticulator to the rescue of government tyranny again! Some things never change.

    Ivermectin was found in early  March 2020 in studies by the researchers that discovered the benefits of ivermectin to cure COVID within 48 hours in ninety plus percent of the cases. But that study was quickly buried because if there was a cure for COVID then the Emergency Use Authorizations  for the VAX could not be granted by law.

    So the million plus people who died from either COVID or the Vax were essentially murdered.

    But the people who rush to defend the COVID tyranny like you know who have no shame or compassion for those who died.

    As for the new booster tyranny what do you expect from a Banana Republic that enforces a gag order based upon a fake trial on it’s leading Presidential candidate.

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  27. DrewInWisconsin, Œuf Member
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    This is an important piece:

    The Real Data Behind the new COVID Vaccines the White House is Pushing

    What if I told you one in 50 people who took a new medication had a “medically attended adverse event” and the manufacturer refused to disclose what exactly the complication was — would you take it?

    And what if the theoretical benefit was only transient, lasting about three months, after which your susceptibility goes back to baseline?

    And what if we told you the Food and Drug Administration cleared it without any human-outcomes data and European regulators are not universally recommending it as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is?

    That’s what we know about the new COVID vaccine the Biden administration is firmly recommending for every American 6 months old and up.

    The push is so hard that former White House COVID coordinator Dr. Ashish Jha and CDC head Mandy Cohen are making unsupported claims the new vaccine reduces hospitalizations. long COVID and the likelihood you will spread COVID.

    None of those claims has a shred of scientific support.

    In fact, if the manufacturers said that, they could be fined for making false marketing claims beyond an FDA-approved indication.

    . . .

     

     

     

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  28. The Reticulator Member
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    Unsk (View Comment):
    The approvals of  the VAX were based upon large scale testing that was fraudulent and ignored  many problems. The Epoch Times has had too many articles on this to count.

    Ah, the Epoch Times has articles on the subject.  Well, that settles it for sure, even if nobody has read those articles. 

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  29. Bob Thompson Member
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    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):
    The approvals of the VAX were based upon large scale testing that was fraudulent and ignored many problems. The Epoch Times has had too many articles on this to count.

    Ah, the Epoch Times has articles on the subject. Well, that settles it for sure, even if nobody has read those articles.

    What does reading those articles have to do with whether large scale testing was effective as reported by the big Pharma companies? We do know there are facts going unreported because of government/media censorship.

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  30. The Reticulator Member
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    Bob Thompson (View Comment):

    The Reticulator (View Comment):

    Unsk (View Comment):
    The approvals of the VAX were based upon large scale testing that was fraudulent and ignored many problems. The Epoch Times has had too many articles on this to count.

    Ah, the Epoch Times has articles on the subject. Well, that settles it for sure, even if nobody has read those articles.

    What does reading those articles have to do with whether large scale testing was effective as reported by the big Pharma companies? We do know there are facts going unreported because of government/media censorship.

    Got me. Maybe if someone read them they’d share the information with us.

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