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   D.A. Venters

   @DAVenters

   8:25 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

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   Well, I can’t help but wonder how happy this makes Never Trump.

   Bar from office.

   Let’s see how Ronna and the RNC/GOPe respond.

   I think rhe response of any prominent Republican should be pretty simple, something like “The rule of law is one of the most basic foundations of our country and our civilization. No one is above it. If Donald Trump violated the law he should face whatever those consequences are. We defer to the judicial system to make that determination, as that system does every day for Americans all across the country. We expect the same for Biden and any other Democrat who may also be in violation of the law. We will watch closely for any political bias in the prosecution of prominent political figures and press for investigation of any apparent disparities.”

   That seems the mature and responsible way to go about it.

   I agree. Let’s see how this case holds up in an actual trial, with cross examination and the introduction of evidence.

   Because the process is in way the punishment.

   You guys are so cute!

   It seems like the prosecution will have to convince all 12 jurors that Trump is guilty of the charges.

   Can Trump and his attorneys create “reasonable doubt” in the mind of at least 1 of the 12 jurors? We will soon find out.

   Again, ignoring the fact that the process is the punishment.

    

   What can be said in response? I assume you believe people in power, or recently out of power, should be prosecuted if they’ve broken the law, even if that’s unpopular among their fans.  No one is above the law, right?  Goes for Trump, goes for Biden, Clinton etc.

   And so, the process should be followed. Much of the complexity and expense of it is  due to the many protections of the rights of the accused. You could design a cheap and easy process, but my guess is that most people would find the sacrifices in quality you would have to make unacceptable. 

2. Member
   MarciN

   @MarciN

   8:34 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

   Instugator (View Comment):

   These charges are ridiculous. These charges mean that the President of the US is not allowed to share intelligence with allied or partner nations, or that every time he does so he violates the law.

   The fact is that the President has plenary power with the documents that are produced by the executive branch and may dispose of them how he wishes.

   Every person who has Original Classification authority (the power to make items of information classified) is delegated that power by the President (with the consent of the Senate) through the appointments process.

   Want to know how I know this? Thanks to an idiot national guardsman flexing for his gamer buddies, everyone had to go through the “derivative classification training” again. As if once a year isn’t enough.

   This indictment is beyond ridiculous.

   This is where Republicans need to focus their attention. This is what matters.

   There is no crime here.

   And attached to that, a month after the FBI conducted the raid on Mar-a-Lago, including rifling through Melania’s underwear drawer, they said they didn’t find anything. So whatever it is they are using for the indictment wasn’t so egregiously and obviously dangerous to have left the White House with the Trumps that it put the country in any danger in any way.

   There is no crime here.

   I’m more concerned with the Three Felonies a Day problem than with the politics. Every single American, including the president of the United States, is threatened in this legal environment.

   We really need to push the reset button. There are too many laws on the books that can be used to hurt people. This isn’t justice. This isn’t freedom.

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   Western Chauvinist

   @WesternChauvinist

   

   9:03 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

   MarciN (View Comment):
   I’m more concerned with the Three Felonies a Day problem than with the politics. Every single American, including the president of the United States, is threatened in this legal environment.

   Not if you hold the “correct” political opinions/agenda. The “rule” of law is radically unequally applied, whatever some lawyers think. Take the J6 accused of “parading” rotting in prison for years while the “summer of love” murderers and arsonists walk away unscathed. 

   Saying the system is broken doesn’t quite cover it. It’s deeply corrupted. 

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   David C. Broussard

   @Dbroussa

   9:08 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

   HeavyWater (View Comment):
   If the process reveals that the prosecution doesn’t have a serious case, this would be a positive for Trump and a negative for Biden in the eyes of the voters.  

   You really don’t get it do you?  First off, these voters are informed by a media that works in concert with the govt to suppress views they disagree with. Even if the judge threw the case out immediately the media woukd spin it as corruption or similar. Secondly, you assume that the case would be resolved before the primaries and general election. The entire point is to damage Trump and the GOP. It’s like a picadore in a bull fight. Their job is to set barbs and slow the bull down, not to slay it. Trump doesn’t need to be found guilty of any of these charges, but he will have to go to court and soon we will hear the chorus of “the walls are closing in” once more. People will assume that where there is smoke there is fire. Meanwhile the GOP will fiddle away the next election. 

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   Western Chauvinist

   @WesternChauvinist

   

   9:12 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

   The headline for this post should be:

   Trump Indicted; Biden Not Indicted … Ever

   Just watch. 

6. Coolidge
   Stad

   @Stad

   9:17 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

   HeavyWater (View Comment):
   Can Trump and his attorneys create “reasonable doubt” in the mind of at least 1 of the 12 jurors?  We will soon find out.

   Unlikely if the trial is in DC . . .

7. Thatcher
   Bryan G. Stephens

   @BryanGStephens

   

   9:21 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

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   Well, I can’t help but wonder how happy this makes Never Trump.

   Bar from office.

   Let’s see how Ronna and the RNC/GOPe respond.

   I think rhe response of any prominent Republican should be pretty simple, something like “The rule of law is one of the most basic foundations of our country and our civilization. No one is above it. If Donald Trump violated the law he should face whatever those consequences are. We defer to the judicial system to make that determination, as that system does every day for Americans all across the country. We expect the same for Biden and any other Democrat who may also be in violation of the law. We will watch closely for any political bias in the prosecution of prominent political figures and press for investigation of any apparent disparities.”

   That seems the mature and responsible way to go about it.

   I agree. Let’s see how this case holds up in an actual trial, with cross examination and the introduction of evidence.

   Because the process is in way the punishment.

   You guys are so cute!

   It seems like the prosecution will have to convince all 12 jurors that Trump is guilty of the charges.

   Can Trump and his attorneys create “reasonable doubt” in the mind of at least 1 of the 12 jurors? We will soon find out.

   Again, ignoring the fact that the process is the punishment.

    

   What can be said in response? I assume you believe people in power, or recently out of power, should be prosecuted if they’ve broken the law, even if that’s unpopular among their fans. No one is above the law, right? Goes for Trump, goes for Biden, Clinton etc.

   And so, the process should be followed. Much of the complexity and expense of it is due to the many protections of the rights of the accused. You could design a cheap and easy process, but my guess is that most people would find the sacrifices in quality you would have to make unacceptable.

   The law unevenly applied is not justice. 

   But, you seem to think that it is OK to ignore some lawbreakers while finding any little thing against others. 

8. Inactive
   HeavyWater

   @HeavyWater

   9:36 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

   “In my administration, I am going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information.  No one will be above the law.“

   Donald Trump – August 18, 2016 at a Charlotte, North Carolina Rally.  

   Does Trump regret making that campaign promise?  

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   genferei

   @genferei

   

   9:43 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

   D.A. Venters (View Comment):

   I think the response of any prominent Republican should be pretty simple, something like “The rule of law is one of the most basic foundations of our country and our civilization. No one is above it. If Donald Trump violated the law he should face whatever those consequences are. We defer to the judicial system to make that determination, as that system does every day for Americans all across the country. We expect the same for Biden and any other Democrat who may also be in violation of the law. We will watch closely for any political bias in the prosecution of prominent political figures and press for investigation of any apparent disparities.”

   That seems the mature and responsible way to go about it.

   This will indeed be the response of prominent Republicans who want to be regarded by the corrupt establishment as ‘mature’ and ‘responsible’ – which is to say ‘compliant’ and ‘controlled’.

   The rule of law SHOULD BE one of the foundations of the country. It MEANS no one is above it. In practice, whether Donald Trump violated the law is irrelevant to the system as it is currently and in actuality constituted. It has been repeatedly demonstrated that the ‘justice’ system, including a sufficient number of judges, is prepared to screw over Americans all across the country that might hold views inconvenient to the establishment. No one could, really, expect the same for Biden or his fellow-travelers; to do so would mean ignoring the evidence of recent history. To imply that political bias in the prosecution of prominent political figures is not glaringly evident today – and that this is not yet another prime example – is to be complicit in the perversion of justice.

   That a certain type of conservative can so easily have their class prejudices exploited by Democrats to cause them to fail to support their fellow conservatives is quite extraordinary. (Not aimed at D. A. Venters.)

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    genferei

    @genferei

    

    9:52 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    “In my administration, I am going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law.“

    Donald Trump – August 18, 2016 at a Charlotte, North Carolina Rally.

    Does Trump regret making that campaign promise?

    He probably regrets not backing it up, because – in context – it would have put Hillary in prison.

    I don’t know about Charlotte, but here’s a transcript from a Wisconsin rally.

    Lots of good stuff – I’d vote for someone that could get that done.

    I will fight to ensure that every American is treated equally, protected equally, and honored equally. We will reject bigotry and hatred and oppression in all of its forms, and seek a new future of security, prosperity and opportunity – a future built on our common culture and values as one American people.

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    D.A. Venters

    @DAVenters

    9:53 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

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    Well, I can’t help but wonder how happy this makes Never Trump.

    Bar from office.

    Let’s see how Ronna and the RNC/GOPe respond.

    I think rhe response of any prominent Republican should be pretty simple, something like “The rule of law is one of the most basic foundations of our country and our civilization. No one is above it. If Donald Trump violated the law he should face whatever those consequences are. We defer to the judicial system to make that determination, as that system does every day for Americans all across the country. We expect the same for Biden and any other Democrat who may also be in violation of the law. We will watch closely for any political bias in the prosecution of prominent political figures and press for investigation of any apparent disparities.”

    That seems the mature and responsible way to go about it.

    I agree. Let’s see how this case holds up in an actual trial, with cross examination and the introduction of evidence.

    Because the process is in way the punishment.

    You guys are so cute!

     

    What can be said in response? I assume you believe people in power, or recently out of power, should be prosecuted if they’ve broken the law, even if that’s unpopular among their fans. No one is above the law, right? Goes for Trump, goes for Biden, Clinton etc.

    And so, the process should be followed. Much of the complexity and expense of it is due to the many protections of the rights of the accused. You could design a cheap and easy process, but my guess is that most people would find the sacrifices in quality you would have to make unacceptable.

    The law unevenly applied is not justice.

    But, you seem to think that it is OK to ignore some lawbreakers while finding any little thing against others.

    I don’t think that at all. In fact, my first comment on this thread makes it plain any disparity should be investigated. But you don’t, in the meantime, let people get away with crimes.

    Besides, how do you determine when there is uneven application without some fairly detailed analysis of each case? Should we instead insist that for every Republican indicted there must be a Democrat indicted, and vice versa? Surely you can see how absurd that would be. 

12. Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens

    @BryanGStephens

    

    9:58 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

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    Well, I can’t help but wonder how happy this makes Never Trump.

    Bar from office.

    Let’s see how Ronna and the RNC/GOPe respond.

    I think rhe response of any prominent Republican should be pretty simple, something like “The rule of law is one of the most basic foundations of our country and our civilization. No one is above it. If Donald Trump violated the law he should face whatever those consequences are. We defer to the judicial system to make that determination, as that system does every day for Americans all across the country. We expect the same for Biden and any other Democrat who may also be in violation of the law. We will watch closely for any political bias in the prosecution of prominent political figures and press for investigation of any apparent disparities.”

    That seems the mature and responsible way to go about it.

    I agree. Let’s see how this case holds up in an actual trial, with cross examination and the introduction of evidence.

    Because the process is in way the punishment.

    You guys are so cute!

     

    What can be said in response? I assume you believe people in power, or recently out of power, should be prosecuted if they’ve broken the law, even if that’s unpopular among their fans. No one is above the law, right? Goes for Trump, goes for Biden, Clinton etc.

    And so, the process should be followed. Much of the complexity and expense of it is due to the many protections of the rights of the accused. You could design a cheap and easy process, but my guess is that most people would find the sacrifices in quality you would have to make unacceptable.

    The law unevenly applied is not justice.

    But, you seem to think that it is OK to ignore some lawbreakers while finding any little thing against others.

    I don’t think that at all. In fact, my first comment on this thread makes it plain any disparity should be investigated. But you don’t, in the meantime, let people get away with crimes.

    Besides, how do you determine when there is uneven application without some fairly detailed analysis of each case? Should we instead insist that for every Republican indicted there must be a Democrat indicted, and vice versa? Surely you can see how absurd that would be.

    Straw man much?

13. Thatcher
    Bryan G. Stephens

    @BryanGStephens

    

    9:59 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/06/why-is-this-man-laughing.php

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    HeavyWater

    @HeavyWater

    10:00 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

    I don’t think that at all. In fact, my first comment on this thread makes it plain any disparity should be investigated. But you don’t, in the meantime, let people get away with crimes.

    Besides, how do you determine when there is uneven application without some fairly detailed analysis of each case? Should we instead insist that for every Republican indicted there must be a Democrat indicted, and vice versa? Surely you can see how absurd that would be.

    If Trump is as innocent as some of his defenders say he is, it would seem that these charges against Trump will fall apart once the details are revealed in court.  When Trump is found not guilty of all the charges, this will end damaging Biden.  

    However, if Trump is guilty of these charges, then Trump should be punished.  

    Let the jury decide.

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    Bishop Wash

    @BishopWash

    10:02 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    Saw a comment elsewhere this morning that’s relevant. A big reason most Never Trump people gave for opposing the man was that their precious norms were being subverted. What’s going on with the DOJ should be giving them pause. The work done in New York to go after Trump on charges past the statute of limitation and changing the law on another statute of limitation so he could charged with rape, and the selective application of charges dealing with classified material are doing more to damage norms in the country than anything Trump did. This is where the anger should be focused, not on the Great Orange Whale. We will see which Republicans are serious and which are members of the uniparty once again in the coming days.

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    HeavyWater

    @HeavyWater

    10:08 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Saw a comment elsewhere this morning that’s relevant. A big reason most Never Trump people gave for opposing the man was that their precious norms were being subverted. What’s going on with the DOJ should be giving them pause. The work done in New York to go after Trump on charges past the statute of limitation and changing the law on another statute of limitation so he could charged with rape, and the selective application of charges dealing with classified material are doing more to damage norms in the country than anything Trump did. This is where the anger should be focused, not on the Great Orange Whale. We will see which Republicans are serious and which are members of the uniparty once again in the coming days.

    I do think that Trump did violate norms when he accused Ted Cruz’s father of being involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy, quoting the National Enquirer.  

    Trump did say that his supporters were so devoted to him that he could shoot someone on 5th avenue and retain their support.  

    But just because Trump has some people who are uncritically devoted to him doesn’t mean that the rest of us should excuse his violations of the law, if that is in fact what has happened.  That’s why I think it will be interesting to see how this case unfolds in court.  

    Maybe the case against Trump will fall apart once the prosecuting attorney starts explaining the evidence or lack thereof.  Or maybe the case will appear stronger than we currently realize. 

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    MarciN

    @MarciN

    10:27 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    rethinking this . . . :) :)

18. Coolidge
    AMD Texas

    @DarinJohnson

    10:45 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

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    Well, I can’t help but wonder how happy this makes Never Trump.

    Bar from office.

    Let’s see how Ronna and the RNC/GOPe respond.

    I think rhe response of any prominent Republican should be pretty simple, something like “The rule of law is one of the most basic foundations of our country and our civilization. No one is above it. If Donald Trump violated the law he should face whatever those consequences are. We defer to the judicial system to make that determination, as that system does every day for Americans all across the country. We expect the same for Biden and any other Democrat who may also be in violation of the law. We will watch closely for any political bias in the prosecution of prominent political figures and press for investigation of any apparent disparities.”

    That seems the mature and responsible way to go about it.

    While I agree in principle, we all know that standard will not hold because the other side shows time and time again that they have no standards. This is one of those moments that I find myself in sympathy with the Eisenhardt view.

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    Front Seat Cat

    @FrontSeatCat

    10:55 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    Bishop Wash (View Comment):

    Sounds as though Biden should be impeached, removed, and barred from holding office.

    The Biden administration is opening a can of worms that are spilling into his own mess which is far worse.  They think this will shake Trump’s presidential chances – it may, but it’s only pissing people off more.  

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    cdor

    @cdor

    

    11:04 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

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    Well, I can’t help but wonder how happy this makes Never Trump.

    Bar from office.

    Let’s see how Ronna and the RNC/GOPe respond.

    I think rhe response of any prominent Republican should be pretty simple, something like “The rule of law is one of the most basic foundations of our country and our civilization. No one is above it. If Donald Trump violated the law he should face whatever those consequences are. We defer to the judicial system to make that determination, as that system does every day for Americans all across the country. We expect the same for Biden and any other Democrat who may also be in violation of the law. We will watch closely for any political bias in the prosecution of prominent political figures and press for investigation of any apparent disparities.”

    That seems the mature and responsible way to go about it.

    The fact that the NARA people did not set up a facility near Mar-a-Lago to keep the records while allowing Trump to peruse them at his convenience for the requisite two years following his exit from office, LIKE THEY DID FOR CLINTON, GW BUSH, AND OBAMA, and, instead, told him to just store them at his home while they decided what was his personally and what needed to be kept by the National Archives, already shows the political bias in the prosecution of Trump.  I always thought that the National Archives act was not a criminally adjudicated law in the first place.

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    Django

    @Django

    11:08 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    D.A. Venters (View Comment):

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    Bryan G. Stephens (View Comment):

    Well, I can’t help but wonder how happy this makes Never Trump.

    Bar from office.

    Let’s see how Ronna and the RNC/GOPe respond.

    I think rhe response of any prominent Republican should be pretty simple, something like “The rule of law is one of the most basic foundations of our country and our civilization. No one is above it. If Donald Trump violated the law he should face whatever those consequences are. We defer to the judicial system to make that determination, as that system does every day for Americans all across the country. We expect the same for Biden and any other Democrat who may also be in violation of the law. We will watch closely for any political bias in the prosecution of prominent political figures and press for investigation of any apparent disparities.”

    That seems the mature and responsible way to go about it.

    OFFS! That’s exactly the limp-wristed response I’d expect. “Watch closely”, and “defer” to a corrupt judicial system. Even his major opponent mentioned the weaponization of the DoJ.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/desantis-responds-to-2nd-trump-indictment-by-promising-to-end-weaponization-of-doj-if-elected-president/ar-AA1cjHpg

     

     

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    Django

    @Django

    11:12 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    Western Chauvinist (View Comment):

    I’m not sure what it would take to convince some people that we don’t live under the rule of law anymore. A Secretary of State who walks away from knowingly exposing state secrets to our enemies via an unsecure private server (and a president who knows about it and does nothing)? A former Vice President (now President) with classified documents in his garage while lacking the authority to declassify them, unlike Trump? A Congressman who sleeps with a Chinese spy and retains his seat in Congress? A state security apparatus that targets pro-life activists and parents who attend school board meetings while “mostly peaceful,” summer of love, death and destruction protestors go unpunished? A ruling class which goes to Washington to get rich off insider trade deals and, oh, btw, pay for play schemes? I repeat, no one was paying Hunter Biden for his energy expertise.

    The Left lives by the rule of the jungle — in which there are no rules, at least until they make them up (“preferred” pronoun diktats and vaccine mandates are some of the latest). Their utopian ends justify whatever means are necessary (to destroy Donald Trump, for example). Another name for “banana republic” is tyranny. The lack of consequences for Democrats ranging from Obama (“most scandal-free administration in history!”) to the Clintons to the Bidens to Fauci has emboldened them. They can do anything to us. They know it. We know it. And they know we know it.

    Quoting this because I can’t “like” it more than once. The child-like naivete of those who aren’t convinced would be cute in a three-year-old. In an adult, less so, to put it politely. 

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    Django

    @Django

    11:15 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    HeavyWater (View Comment):

    “In my administration, I am going to enforce all laws concerning the protection of classified information. No one will be above the law.“

    Donald Trump – August 18, 2016 at a Charlotte, North Carolina Rally.

    Does Trump regret making that campaign promise?

    Donnie was wrong. The Biden’s are obviously above the law, as are the Clintons. 

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    Django

    @Django

    11:49 AM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

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    Vance Richards

    @VanceRichards

    12:08 PM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    I am pretty sure that, “No one is above the law,” and “Of course it’s politically motivated, but I never liked the guy so I don’t have a problem with it” are just two different ways to say the exact same thing.

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    Django

    @Django

    1:51 PM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    Vance Richards (View Comment):

    I am pretty sure that, “No one is above the law,” and “Of course it’s politically motivated, but I never liked the guy so I don’t have a problem with it” are just two different ways to say the exact same thing.

    There was one NT who claimed that Biden never lied the way Trump did. He just mis-spoke the way Reagan sometimes did. I’m sure he fits the pattern you describe. 

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    Joker

    @Joker

    1:57 PM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    I think Biden just elected Trump. Will Trump then pardon Biden?

    Biden is behaving like a mob boss, and it’s going  to be up to the oversight committee to prove it.

28. Member
    Django

    @Django

    2:06 PM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    Joker (View Comment):

    I think Biden just elected Trump. Will Trump then pardon Biden?

    Biden is behaving like a mob boss, and it’s going to be up to the oversight committee to prove it.

    The last fool I heard using the term “whataboutism“ was Jonah Goldberg and that was quite a while ago, but I expect the term to be used a lot in the coming days. It is the only response a lot of people can muster when we point out the dual standard of justice at work in America today.

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    Joker

    @Joker

    2:09 PM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    I don’t think it’s exactly whataboutism, it’s that there is no law. I think even Dems will take this seriously.

30. Member
    Django

    @Django

    2:14 PM EDT ⋅ Jun 9, 2023

    Joker (View Comment):

    I don’t think it’s exactly whataboutism, it’s that there is no law. I think even Dems will take this seriously.

    The Dems today are really what Mark Levin calls progressives/Marxists. The only one today that I believe would stand up is Kyrsten Sinema and that is a really sad comment.
    The comment mentioning whataboutism was in reference to the people who babble constantly about “the rule of law“. I agree with you that today there is no law.