Who Is Your Nightmare Opponent?

 

There has been a lot of speculation as to who Democrats are hoping to run against (and not run against) in the 2024 presidential election. Since this topic has been covered a bit already, I want to look at the 2024 race on the other side. Presumably nearly everyone reading this is a Republican, or at least an independent who doesn’t want another Democratic victory in 2024.

The majority expectation is that Joseph Robinette Biden will probably again be the Democratic nominee, providing he doesn’t have a fatal stroke or something. But that’s not locked in, so my question for you is: Who do you most fear as a Democratic nominee? Which Democrat do you think would have the best chance of winning, and who would make the worst president of any Democrat who could plausibly win?

My answer is Elizabeth Warren. Bernie Sanders is often regarded as the most left-wing Democrat who has run lately, but I think Warren is more threatening. For one thing, Bernie is and looks like an old man. A lot of people across the political spectrum are thinking maybe it’s time to elect someone at least a little bit younger than dirt. I speculate that quite a few people who didn’t even particularly like Hillary Clinton voted for her because they wanted to say they voted for the first female president, and Elizabeth Warren would likely benefit from some of that mentality. She has a burning, passionate hatred for capitalism, where Sanders has a little less charge in his battery and would not fight as hard to destroy the free enterprise system. Ten years ago, there would have been approximately zero support for Senator Warren from the right side of the aisle, but quite a few Republicans these days have grown hostile to capitalism and sneer at the very concept of free trade, so she might pick up more than a token smattering of votes from populist Republicans.

Gavin Newsom? Yeah, he’s a wacko, but a lot of people see that California is going downhill and don’t want to bring Newsom-style results to the whole nation. I think Warren is more electable than the other prominent Democrats and would likely be even worse at the job than the other prominent Democrats. Unless you do think that capitalism should be destroyed, then she’d be great.

But what do you all think? Which Democrat populates your nightmares?

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  1. kedavis Coolidge
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    The way things are going, they might dump Biden for the “tranny of the week.”

    And they’d love to push “The Butt Judge,” but he doesn’t appear too formidable.

    But think of all the Democrats who’ll get behind him . . .

    Seems like the only safe place to be…

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  2. db25db Inactive
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    I agree with both of your comments. But Newsom won’t sell nationwide, so I’m not that worried about his chances.

    They don’t have to sell him, really. All he needs is the D after his name, and he’s in.

    They couldn’t sell Biden either. They didn’t even try.

    they didn’t have to.  they could just run against Trump.  it worked.  that’s not going to defeat any Republican though.  they’ll try.

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  3. kedavis Coolidge
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    If its not Joe or Kamala, then Kamala got thrown under the bus. That is not going to work for a key Dem constituency.

    I could be wrong, but I don’t see a lot of defections if Kamala Harris doesn’t get the nomination.

    I’d like to think that even Democrats are silently thinking, “Boy, do I wish he’d gone with Tulsi”.

    Except they never go for someone as VP who’s clearly better than their presidential pick.

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  4. db25db Inactive
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    Gavin Newsom is a rock star whom even otherwise sane independents would vigorously support because of his hair, strong chin, gracious smile and his lean athletic build.

    Image is everything.

    (That’s also why Ramaswamy doesn’t stand a chance.)

    Ramaswamy is too may syllables. (ok Eisenhower is the same), but usually then are one or two.

    I know you’re kidding, but I think you’re right about the names. And fewer consonants. Goldwater never stood a chance. We’ve had three presidential administrations named Bush. Bush beats Clinton in both syllables and consonants. 0bama beats McCain and Romney. Reagan beats both Carter and Mondale. It’s science.

    But there’s also the important vowel/consonant ratio. That’s how Eisenhauer (6/4) won against Stevenson (3/6). Don’t know how Roosevelt (4/5) beat Hoover (3/3), but he clearly beats Landon (2/4), Willkie (3/4) and Dewey (2/3). It’s science.

    well, it’s pattern recognition.

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  5. kedavis Coolidge
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    I agree with both of your comments. But Newsom won’t sell nationwide, so I’m not that worried about his chances.

    They don’t have to sell him, really. All he needs is the D after his name, and he’s in.

    They couldn’t sell Biden either. They didn’t even try.

    They didn’t have to. Trump sold Biden. Remember that first debate? All we needed was a chance to see Biden stumble, mumble, and ramble. But we didn’t get to see or hear that, because some damn fool kept shouting over him. That man had one job and he didn’t do it.

    Maybe, if the election process in several states hadn’t been corrupted.

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  6. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
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    I agree with both of your comments. But Newsom won’t sell nationwide, so I’m not that worried about his chances.

    They don’t have to sell him, really. All he needs is the D after his name, and he’s in.

    They couldn’t sell Biden either. They didn’t even try.

    They didn’t have to. Trump sold Biden. Remember that first debate? All we needed was a chance to see Biden stumble, mumble, and ramble. But we didn’t get to see or hear that, because some damn fool kept shouting over him. That man had one job and he didn’t do it.

    No, I don’t remember that first debate. But I think there’s more than a bit of confirmation bias at work.

     

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    This is the most important part of your post.

    I think most people don’t realize it, but this has pretty much already occurred. Faith in the media is at an all-time low, even among democrats. Newspaper circulation is down something like 70% in the last 40 years. Less than 10% of people watch the evening news. The number of people who watch all cable news combined is around the 1% range. Only 32% of people overall even believe the news, with only 7% having a great deal of trust. Remember back when Walter Cronkite was considered the “most trusted man in America?

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx

    I don’t read the actual surveys and their questions, but I always feel “approval” questions are a big mistake. One can disapprove because they think it’s too much, or not enough. Dems and Repubs can both agree that the country is not on the “right track” but have completely opposite right tracks in mind.

    It looks like the poll did not ask people if they “approved.” The wording of the question on the graph says:

    “In general, how much trust and confidence do you have in mass media — such as newspapers, TV, and radio — when it comes to reporting the news fully, accurately, and fairly — [answer choices] A great deal, a fair amount, not very much, or none at all.”

    Yes. But my point was that if 75% of people rust the media that means a lot. But if 25% trust the media, it doesn’t tell us whether the media is too fa to the left or too far to the right. If the 75% who don’t trust the media are evenly balance 37% Dem and 37% Repub, that’s reasonable and suggests polarization not skewing. But if 50% of that 75% that distrusts the the media are all either Democrats OR Republicans — meaning 50% of, say, Repubs distrust the media and 25% of Dems distrust the media, that skewing demonstrates an actual media bias.

    But they weren’t measuring nor asking about political bias. They were simply asking whether the media is reporting fully, accurately, and fairly. The bias does not even matter much when the overwhelming majority don’t believe what they are saying. When I was growing up, nearly everybody trusted our news sources. We are now closing in on a complete reversal of opinion. Here’s the broad trend for the last 50 years:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/1663/media-use-evaluation.aspx

    Well, I still think that if people think the media are fair, the means something specific. If they think it’s not fair, that’s enigmatic and doesn’t tell you much.

    now they trust random YouTube videos.  

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  8. Miffed White Male Member
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    He’d probably never get through a primary, but I think Gov Pollis on Colorado would be trouble. He has low name recognition now but the Democratic media machine could change it. I don’t actually think Democrats will nominate anyone slightly toward the center until they lose a couple elections in a row, like 80, 84 and 88. Until then, they have no reason to pivot.

    So kind of like Republicans after 2018/2020/2022?

    I hope we don’t have to wait for the 2020/2024/2028 cycle to complete before we wise up.

     

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  9. Miffed White Male Member
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    He’d probably never get through a primary, but I think Gov Pollis on Colorado would be trouble. He has low name recognition now but the Democratic media machine could change it. I don’t actually think Democrats will nominate anyone slightly toward the center until they lose a couple elections in a row, like 80, 84 and 88. Until then, they have no reason to pivot.

    So kind of like Republicans after 2018/2020/2022?

    I hope we don’t have to wait for the 2020/2024/2028 cycle to complete before we wise up.

     

    And for the Dems it’s actually 1972 -1988.   Carter 1976 doesn’t count –  it was very close as it was (50.1%-48%), and he never would have won without the aberration of Watergate.

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  10. Flicker Coolidge
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    Gavin Newsom is a rock star whom even otherwise sane independents would vigorously support because of his hair, strong chin, gracious smile and his lean athletic build.

    Image is everything.

    (That’s also why Ramaswamy doesn’t stand a chance.)

    Ramaswamy is too may syllables. (ok Eisenhower is the same), but usually then are one or two.

    I know you’re kidding, but I think you’re right about the names. And fewer consonants. Goldwater never stood a chance. We’ve had three presidential administrations named Bush. Bush beats Clinton in both syllables and consonants. 0bama beats McCain and Romney. Reagan beats both Carter and Mondale. It’s science.

    But there’s also the important vowel/consonant ratio. That’s how Eisenhauer (6/4) won against Stevenson (3/6). Don’t know how Roosevelt (4/5) beat Hoover (3/3), but he clearly beats Landon (2/4), Willkie (3/4) and Dewey (2/3). It’s science.

    well, it’s pattern recognition.

    And the voter’s do it unconsciously.  Harris (2/4) doesn’t stand a chance.  Likewise Warren v/c is a dismal (2/4).  Newsome not bad at (3/4).  Biden poor at (2/3).  Buttigieg high in v/c score (4/5) but poor in Least-Consonants score.

    And Klobuchar is out with a v/c of only (3/5) and a less favorable Least-Consonant score of 5, and sounds too much like Abattoir.

    So I predict the Dem nomination will be between Newsome and Buttigieg, and Newsome will take the nomination.

    Buttigieg will lose despite having a high v/c of 4/5 and a poorer but comparable L-C score of 5, his name still has too many consonants and sounds like Booty-Gig.  Newsome’s has a good lower total syllable score of only 2 and sounds like Something New and fresh and like Someone in the News.

     

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  11. kedavis Coolidge
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    Gavin Newsom is a rock star whom even otherwise sane independents would vigorously support because of his hair, strong chin, gracious smile and his lean athletic build.

    Image is everything.

    (That’s also why Ramaswamy doesn’t stand a chance.)

    Ramaswamy is too may syllables. (ok Eisenhower is the same), but usually then are one or two.

    I know you’re kidding, but I think you’re right about the names. And fewer consonants. Goldwater never stood a chance. We’ve had three presidential administrations named Bush. Bush beats Clinton in both syllables and consonants. 0bama beats McCain and Romney. Reagan beats both Carter and Mondale. It’s science.

    But there’s also the important vowel/consonant ratio. That’s how Eisenhauer (6/4) won against Stevenson (3/6). Don’t know how Roosevelt (4/5) beat Hoover (3/3), but he clearly beats Landon (2/4), Willkie (3/4) and Dewey (2/3). It’s science.

    well, it’s pattern recognition.

    And the voter’s do it unconsciously. Harris (2/4) doesn’t stand a chance. Likewise Warren v/c is a dismal (2/4). Newsome not bad at (3/4). Biden poor at (2/3). Buttigieg high in v/c score (4/5) but poor in Least-Consonants score.

    And Klobuchar is out with a v/c of only (3/5) and a less favorable Least-Consonant score of 5, and sounds too much like Abattoir.

    So I predict the Dem nomination will be between Newsome and Buttigieg, and Newsome will take the nomination.

    Buttigieg will lose despite having a high v/c of 4/5 and a poorer but comparable L-C score of 5, his name still has too many consonants and sounds like Booty-Gig. Newsome’s has a good lower total syllable score of only 2 and sounds like Something New and fresh and like Someone in the News.

    Reminds me of the governor’s race in Arizona that I figured came down to people who like ice cream (Napolitano – yes, I know) better than fish (Salmon).

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  12. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. could be the dark horse candidate that could cause the Republican Party to totally collapse in Goldwater-like defeat. He has some positions that come up crossways of the most-lefty Democrats, such as his stance on vaccines. The combination of the Kennedy name and a Tip O’Neil vibe could make RINO hearts go pit-a-pat as well as put the more traditional elements of the Democrats at ease. The looney lefties would get a wink and a nod. Once in office, he would probably go straight party all the way.

    If that doesn’t work, he could change his name to Casey and run for office in Pennsylvania.

    Does the Kennedy name really mean anything anymore?

    Only people older than their late 60s have any memory of JFKs presidency.

    He was a friend of mine, he was a friend of mine
    His killing had no purpose, no reason or rhyme
    He was a friend of mine

    He was in Dallas town, he was in Dallas town
    From a sixth floor window a gunner shot him down
    He died in Dallas town

    He never knew my name, he never knew my name
    Though I never met him I knew him just the same
    Oh he was a friend of mine

    Leader of a nation for such a precious time
    He was a friend of mine

     

    I think I prefer Abraham, Martin and John.

     

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  13. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    Newsome not bad at (3/4).

    Since we’re doing the count I do have to point out there’s no “e” in “Newsom”. At least in this one’s.

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    I think Amy Klobuchar would have a better shot at being elected. She’s younger than Warren and could fake moderate better.


    Amy Klobuchar would be the least scary of the Democrats. She’s definitely the smartest. Valedictorian of her class at a public school west of Minneapolis that was excellent in its day. Then Yale for bachelor’s and U of Chicago for law.  She’s probably unelectable as her opponents have said she is partly responsible for the George Floyd death as she is accused of not cracking down on complaints about police when she was the D.A. for Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis.

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  15. kedavis Coolidge
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    Newsome not bad at (3/4).

    Since we’re doing the count I do have to point out there’s no “e” in “Newsom”. At least in this one’s.

    Actually, there’s just ONE “e”.

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  16. kedavis Coolidge
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    I think Amy Klobuchar would have a better shot at being elected. She’s younger than Warren and could fake moderate better.


    Amy Klobuchar would be the least scary of the Democrats. She’s definitely the smartest. Valedictorian of her class at a public school west of Minneapolis that was excellent in its day. Then Yale for bachelor’s and U of Chicago for law. She’s probably unelectable as her opponents have said she is partly responsible for the George Floyd death as she is accused of not cracking down on complaints about police when she was the D.A. for Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis.

    From her public appearances etc, she is, at best, only smart-stupid.  Or stupid-smart, whichever way it goes.

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  17. Franco Member
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    If its not Joe or Kamala, then Kamala got thrown under the bus. That is not going to work for a key Dem constituency.

    I could be wrong, but I don’t see a lot of defections if Kamala Harris doesn’t get the nomination.

    I’d like to think that even Democrats are silently thinking, “Boy, do I wish he’d gone with Tulsi”.

    I hadn’t even thought of her, but yes, if Tulsi were still a Democrat she could be very formidable.

    With all respect, I don’t think you understand the Democrat power insiders, and today’s Dem party in general, Gary.

    Tulsi is anathema to them, and for evidence, look to how they boxed her out completely.

    So, no one is regretting in any pivotal position she wasn’t chosen. 

    And Randy, what makes you think in such pure abstractions? Tulsi isn’t a Democrat because she disagrees with most of their fundamental positions. If the Republican brand wasn’t so completely toxic – because they never effectively addressed serial media calumny for decades – she’d be one.

    Now,  no one wants that label, and the one who are stuck with it are morphing into their own fringe cult that is much more like Democrats and less like MAGA.

    She is so much closer to Trumpism than anything else, and interestingly she has (perhaps) the opposite personality.

    She recently said she’d be open for a VP spot.

    At this point I’d vote for her as President over anyone else – as long as she wasn’t in the Democrat network or under their patronage. This country needs someone like her at this point. 

    But No Democrat would take her on as VP she’s their nightmare just like Trump. And the  Uniparty Republicans would also fight her desperately.

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  18. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    If its not Joe or Kamala, then Kamala got thrown under the bus. That is not going to work for a key Dem constituency.

    I could be wrong, but I don’t see a lot of defections if Kamala Harris doesn’t get the nomination.

    I’d like to think that even Democrats are silently thinking, “Boy, do I wish he’d gone with Tulsi”.

    I hadn’t even thought of her, but yes, if Tulsi were still a Democrat she could be very formidable.

    With all respect, I don’t think you understand the Democrat power insiders, and today’s Dem party in general, Gary.

    Tulsi is anathema to them, and for evidence, look to how they boxed her out completely.

    So, no one is regretting in any pivotal position she wasn’t chosen.

    And Randy, what makes you think in such pure abstractions? Tulsi isn’t a Democrat because she disagrees with most of their fundamental positions. If the Republican brand wasn’t so completely toxic – because they never effectively addressed serial media calumny for decades – she’d be one.

    Now, no one wants that label, and the one who are stuck with it are morphing into their own fringe cult that is much more like Democrats and less like MAGA.

    She is so much closer to Trumpism than anything else, and interestingly she has (perhaps) the opposite personality.

    She recently said she’d be open for a VP spot.

    At this point I’d vote for her as President over anyone else – as long as she wasn’t in the Democrat network or under their patronage. This country needs someone like her at this point.

    But No Democrat would take her on as VP she’s their nightmare just like Trump. And the Uniparty Republicans would also fight her desperately.

    I liked Tulsi as a Democrat. Unless she shifts more to the right, I’m not to keen on her as either a Republican or an Independent.  

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  19. kedavis Coolidge
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    This is all pretty much literally true, except the real FJB is even worse than their fake FJB, and yet they still elected… FJB!

     

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    If its not Joe or Kamala, then Kamala got thrown under the bus. That is not going to work for a key Dem constituency.

    I could be wrong, but I don’t see a lot of defections if Kamala Harris doesn’t get the nomination.

    I’d like to think that even Democrats are silently thinking, “Boy, do I wish he’d gone with Tulsi”.

    I hadn’t even thought of her, but yes, if Tulsi were still a Democrat she could be very formidable.

    With all respect, I don’t think you understand the Democrat power insiders, and today’s Dem party in general, Gary.

    Tulsi is anathema to them, and for evidence, look to how they boxed her out completely.

    So, no one is regretting in any pivotal position she wasn’t chosen.

    And Randy, what makes you think in such pure abstractions? Tulsi isn’t a Democrat because she disagrees with most of their fundamental positions. If the Republican brand wasn’t so completely toxic – because they never effectively addressed serial media calumny for decades – she’d be one.

    Now, no one wants that label, and the one who are stuck with it are morphing into their own fringe cult that is much more like Democrats and less like MAGA.

    She is so much closer to Trumpism than anything else, and interestingly she has (perhaps) the opposite personality.

    She recently said she’d be open for a VP spot.

    At this point I’d vote for her as President over anyone else – as long as she wasn’t in the Democrat network or under their patronage. This country needs someone like her at this point.

    But No Democrat would take her on as VP she’s their nightmare just like Trump. And the Uniparty Republicans would also fight her desperately.

    Tulsi is the the Democrat base, what Jeb! Bush or Larry Hogan are to the Republican base.  No chance.

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  21. Steven Seward Member
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    Gavin Newsom is a rock star whom even otherwise sane independents would vigorously support because of his hair, strong chin, gracious smile and his lean athletic build.

    Image is everything.

    (That’s also why Ramaswamy doesn’t stand a chance.)

    Ramaswamy is too may syllables. (ok Eisenhower is the same), but usually then are one or two.

    I know you’re kidding, but I think you’re right about the names. And fewer consonants. Goldwater never stood a chance. We’ve had three presidential administrations named Bush. Bush beats Clinton in both syllables and consonants. 0bama beats McCain and Romney. Reagan beats both Carter and Mondale. It’s science.

    But there’s also the important vowel/consonant ratio. That’s how Eisenhauer (6/4) won against Stevenson (3/6). Don’t know how Roosevelt (4/5) beat Hoover (3/3), but he clearly beats Landon (2/4), Willkie (3/4) and Dewey (2/3). It’s science.

    well, it’s pattern recognition.

    And the voter’s do it unconsciously. Harris (2/4) doesn’t stand a chance. Likewise Warren v/c is a dismal (2/4). Newsome not bad at (3/4). Biden poor at (2/3). Buttigieg high in v/c score (4/5) but poor in Least-Consonants score.

    And Klobuchar is out with a v/c of only (3/5) and a less favorable Least-Consonant score of 5, and sounds too much like Abattoir.

    So I predict the Dem nomination will be between Newsome and Buttigieg, and Newsome will take the nomination.

    Buttigieg will lose despite having a high v/c of 4/5 and a poorer but comparable L-C score of 5, his name still has too many consonants and sounds like Booty-Gig. Newsome’s has a good lower total syllable score of only 2 and sounds like Something New and fresh and like Someone in the News.

    This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere.  Explain to me again how sheep’s bladder’s may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

     

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  22. Steven Seward Member
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    Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. could be the dark horse candidate that could cause the Republican Party to totally collapse in Goldwater-like defeat. He has some positions that come up crossways of the most-lefty Democrats, such as his stance on vaccines. The combination of the Kennedy name and a Tip O’Neil vibe could make RINO hearts go pit-a-pat as well as put the more traditional elements of the Democrats at ease. The looney lefties would get a wink and a nod. Once in office, he would probably go straight party all the way.

    If that doesn’t work, he could change his name to Casey and run for office in Pennsylvania.

    Does the Kennedy name really mean anything anymore?

    Only people older than their late 60s have any memory of JFKs presidency.

    He was a friend of mine, he was a friend of mine
    His killing had no purpose, no reason or rhyme
    He was a friend of mine

    He was in Dallas town, he was in Dallas town
    From a sixth floor window a gunner shot him down
    He died in Dallas town

    He never knew my name, he never knew my name
    Though I never met him I knew him just the same
    Oh he was a friend of mine

    Leader of a nation for such a precious time
    He was a friend of mine

     

    I think I prefer Abraham, Martin and John.

     

    I can’t believe I’m actually familiar with that song!  My brother used to give me cassette tapes of oddities.

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    Unless and until the corporate media is burned to the ground and the propagandists are publicly tarred and feathered, we will continue to deteriorate rapidly as a country.

    This is the most important part of your post.

    I think most people don’t realize it, but this has pretty much already occurred. Faith in the media is at an all-time low, even among democrats. Newspaper circulation is down something like 70% in the last 40 years. Less than 10% of people watch the evening news. The number of people who watch all cable news combined is around the 1% range. Only 32% of people overall even believe the news, with only 7% having a great deal of trust. Remember back when Walter Cronkite was considered the “most trusted man in America?

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx

    I don’t read the actual surveys and their questions, but I always feel “approval” questions are a big mistake. One can disapprove because they think it’s too much, or not enough. Dems and Repubs can both agree that the country is not on the “right track” but have completely opposite right tracks in mind.

    It looks like the poll did not ask people if they “approved.” The wording of the question on the graph says:

    “In general, how much trust and confidence do you have in mass media — such as newspapers, TV, and radio — when it comes to reporting the news fully, accurately, and fairly — [answer choices] A great deal, a fair amount, not very much, or none at all.”

    Yes. But my point was that if 75% of people rust the media that means a lot. But if 25% trust the media, it doesn’t tell us whether the media is too fa to the left or too far to the right. If the 75% who don’t trust the media are evenly balance 37% Dem and 37% Repub, that’s reasonable and suggests polarization not skewing. But if 50% of that 75% that distrusts the the media are all either Democrats OR Republicans — meaning 50% of, say, Repubs distrust the media and 25% of Dems distrust the media, that skewing demonstrates an actual media bias.

    Seems like a lot of the left believes the media is “too conservative” which is both concerning and laughable.

    My Liberal friend swears the media is too conservative.  I was shocked but he really believes it.  It is laughable and told him so.

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  24. OmegaPaladin Moderator
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    My nightmare candidate is Barack Obama.   If you will not vote for him right now you are a racist and need to die.    Any document claiming the Obamessiah is not entitled to rule as God-president is racist.  

    That’s why it’s a nightmare – if the democrats actually think they could just install a dictator, America is toast.

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    Newsome not bad at (3/4).

    Since we’re doing the count I do have to point out there’s no “e” in “Newsom”. At least in this one’s.

    Then maybe he can’t win after all.  Hm.

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  26. Flicker Coolidge
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    Gavin Newsom is a rock star whom even otherwise sane independents would vigorously support because of his hair, strong chin, gracious smile and his lean athletic build.

    Image is everything.

    (That’s also why Ramaswamy doesn’t stand a chance.)

    Ramaswamy is too may syllables. (ok Eisenhower is the same), but usually then are one or two.

    I know you’re kidding, but I think you’re right about the names. And fewer consonants. Goldwater never stood a chance. We’ve had three presidential administrations named Bush. Bush beats Clinton in both syllables and consonants. 0bama beats McCain and Romney. Reagan beats both Carter and Mondale. It’s science.

    But there’s also the important vowel/consonant ratio. That’s how Eisenhauer (6/4) won against Stevenson (3/6). Don’t know how Roosevelt (4/5) beat Hoover (3/3), but he clearly beats Landon (2/4), Willkie (3/4) and Dewey (2/3). It’s science.

    well, it’s pattern recognition.

    And the voter’s do it unconsciously. Harris (2/4) doesn’t stand a chance. Likewise Warren v/c is a dismal (2/4). Newsome not bad at (3/4). Biden poor at (2/3). Buttigieg high in v/c score (4/5) but poor in Least-Consonants score.

    And Klobuchar is out with a v/c of only (3/5) and a less favorable Least-Consonant score of 5, and sounds too much like Abattoir.

    So I predict the Dem nomination will be between Newsome and Buttigieg, and Newsome will take the nomination.

    Buttigieg will lose despite having a high v/c of 4/5 and a poorer but comparable L-C score of 5, his name still has too many consonants and sounds like Booty-Gig. Newsome’s has a good lower total syllable score of only 2 and sounds like Something New and fresh and like Someone in the News.

    This new learning amazes me, Sir Bedevere. Explain to me again how sheep’s bladder’s may be employed to prevent earthquakes.

    You simply wear it like a hat.

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    I’m going to agree with your choice of Warren just because I find her most repellent. And I believe whichever awful person heads the Democratic ticket in 2024 will win. So I’m not in a happy mood.

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    I think Amy Klobuchar would have a better shot at being elected. She’s younger than Warren and could fake moderate better.


    Amy Klobuchar would be the least scary of the Democrats. She’s definitely the smartest. Valedictorian of her class at a public school west of Minneapolis that was excellent in its day. Then Yale for bachelor’s and U of Chicago for law. She’s probably unelectable as her opponents have said she is partly responsible for the George Floyd death as she is accused of not cracking down on complaints about police when she was the D.A. for Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis.

    From her public appearances etc, she is, at best, only smart-stupid. Or stupid-smart, whichever way it goes.

    She’s a Minnesota lefty, which implies a certain amount of stupid. I didn’t say she wasn’t scary, but least scary. I would still bet she has a very high IQ, which seems to be a rarity among big-name Dems.

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  29. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    I think Amy Klobuchar would have a better shot at being elected. She’s younger than Warren and could fake moderate better.


    Amy Klobuchar would be the least scary of the Democrats. She’s definitely the smartest. Valedictorian of her class at a public school west of Minneapolis that was excellent in its day. Then Yale for bachelor’s and U of Chicago for law. She’s probably unelectable as her opponents have said she is partly responsible for the George Floyd death as she is accused of not cracking down on complaints about police when she was the D.A. for Hennepin County, which includes Minneapolis.

    Any Minnesota Democrat is pretty scary to me. 

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  30. Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw Member
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    Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. could be the dark horse candidate that could cause the Republican Party to totally collapse in Goldwater-like defeat. He has some positions that come up crossways of the most-lefty Democrats, such as his stance on vaccines. The combination of the Kennedy name and a Tip O’Neil vibe could make RINO hearts go pit-a-pat as well as put the more traditional elements of the Democrats at ease. The looney lefties would get a wink and a nod. Once in office, he would probably go straight party all the way.

    If that doesn’t work, he could change his name to Casey and run for office in Pennsylvania.

    Does the Kennedy name really mean anything anymore?

    Only people older than their late 60s have any memory of JFKs presidency.

    He was a friend of mine, he was a friend of mine
    His killing had no purpose, no reason or rhyme
    He was a friend of mine

    He was in Dallas town, he was in Dallas town
    From a sixth floor window a gunner shot him down
    He died in Dallas town

    He never knew my name, he never knew my name
    Though I never met him I knew him just the same
    Oh he was a friend of mine

    Leader of a nation for such a precious time
    He was a friend of mine

     

    I think I prefer Abraham, Martin and John.

     

    I can’t believe I’m actually familiar with that song! My brother used to give me cassette tapes of oddities.

    I’m guessing older brother?

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