Who Is Your Nightmare Opponent?

 

There has been a lot of speculation as to who Democrats are hoping to run against (and not run against) in the 2024 presidential election. Since this topic has been covered a bit already, I want to look at the 2024 race on the other side. Presumably nearly everyone reading this is a Republican, or at least an independent who doesn’t want another Democratic victory in 2024.

The majority expectation is that Joseph Robinette Biden will probably again be the Democratic nominee, providing he doesn’t have a fatal stroke or something. But that’s not locked in, so my question for you is: Who do you most fear as a Democratic nominee? Which Democrat do you think would have the best chance of winning, and who would make the worst president of any Democrat who could plausibly win?

My answer is Elizabeth Warren. Bernie Sanders is often regarded as the most left-wing Democrat who has run lately, but I think Warren is more threatening. For one thing, Bernie is and looks like an old man. A lot of people across the political spectrum are thinking maybe it’s time to elect someone at least a little bit younger than dirt. I speculate that quite a few people who didn’t even particularly like Hillary Clinton voted for her because they wanted to say they voted for the first female president, and Elizabeth Warren would likely benefit from some of that mentality. She has a burning, passionate hatred for capitalism, where Sanders has a little less charge in his battery and would not fight as hard to destroy the free enterprise system. Ten years ago, there would have been approximately zero support for Senator Warren from the right side of the aisle, but quite a few Republicans these days have grown hostile to capitalism and sneer at the very concept of free trade, so she might pick up more than a token smattering of votes from populist Republicans.

Gavin Newsom? Yeah, he’s a wacko, but a lot of people see that California is going downhill and don’t want to bring Newsom-style results to the whole nation. I think Warren is more electable than the other prominent Democrats and would likely be even worse at the job than the other prominent Democrats. Unless you do think that capitalism should be destroyed, then she’d be great.

But what do you all think? Which Democrat populates your nightmares?

Published in Elections
This post was promoted to the Main Feed by a Ricochet Editor at the recommendation of Ricochet members. Like this post? Want to comment? Join Ricochet’s community of conservatives and be part of the conversation. Join Ricochet for Free.

There are 138 comments.

Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.
  1. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
    DaveSchmidt
    @DaveSchmidt

    James Salerno (View Comment):

    Michele Obama would be almost invincible.

    She ticks off all of the affirmative action boxes. She has a name. Those that revere Barack Obama as a Christ-like figure can get another Obama presidency.

    I think all MO has to do is announce her candidacy and she’ll get the win.  She could hide out in Biden’s basement or pass the campaign season playing checkers with Fetterman and win the election running away.  The RINOs will flood the airways with ringing endorsements.  

    The only obstacle is her inability to let criticism roll of her back.  

    • #61
  2. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
    DaveSchmidt
    @DaveSchmidt

    Matt Balzer, Imperialist Claw (View Comment):

    James Salerno (View Comment):

    Michele Obama would be almost invincible.

    She ticks off all of the affirmative action boxes. She has a name. Those that revere Barack Obama as a Christ-like figure can get another Obama presidency.

    I’ve said it before but there’s no way Barack is going to take the chance that he’d be the second-best President Obama.

    Good point. 

    • #62
  3. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
    DaveSchmidt
    @DaveSchmidt

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Pete Buttgieg seems to be failing upwards quite nicely. Handsome and gay, but not the kind of “in your face gay” that turns off many moderate voters. A voter can feel good about voting for a man like that.

    Certainly worth keeping an eye on Mayor Pete.  He has been criss-crossing the country handing out federal funds.  His face has been all over mid-market media.  

    • #63
  4. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):
    Unless and until the corporate media is burned to the ground and the propagandists are publicly tarred and feathered, we will continue to deteriorate rapidly as a country.

    This is the most important part of your post.

    I think most people don’t realize it, but this has pretty much already occurred. Faith in the media is at an all-time low, even among democrats. Newspaper circulation is down something like 70% in the last 40 years. Less than 10% of people watch the evening news. The number of people who watch all cable news combined is around the 1% range. Only 32% of people overall even believe the news, with only 7% having a great deal of trust. Remember back when Walter Cronkite was considered the “most trusted man in America?

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx

    I don’t read the actual surveys and their questions, but I always feel “approval” questions are a big mistake. One can disapprove because they think it’s too much, or not enough. Dems and Repubs can both agree that the country is not on the “right track” but have completely opposite right tracks in mind.

    It looks like the poll did not ask people if they “approved.” The wording of the question on the graph says:

    “In general, how much trust and confidence do you have in mass media — such as newspapers, TV, and radio — when it comes to reporting the news fully, accurately, and fairly — [answer choices] A great deal, a fair amount, not very much, or none at all.”

    Yes. But my point was that if 75% of people rust the media that means a lot. But if 25% trust the media, it doesn’t tell us whether the media is too fa to the left or too far to the right. If the 75% who don’t trust the media are evenly balance 37% Dem and 37% Repub, that’s reasonable and suggests polarization not skewing. But if 50% of that 75% that distrusts the the media are all either Democrats OR Republicans — meaning 50% of, say, Repubs distrust the media and 25% of Dems distrust the media, that skewing demonstrates an actual media bias.

    But they weren’t measuring nor asking about political  bias.  They were simply asking whether the media is reporting fully, accurately, and fairly.  The bias does not even matter much when the overwhelming majority don’t believe what they are saying.  When I was growing up, nearly everybody trusted our news sources.  We are now closing in on a complete reversal of opinion.  Here’s the broad trend for the last 50 years:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/1663/media-use-evaluation.aspx

    • #64
  5. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    kedavis (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):
    Unless and until the corporate media is burned to the ground and the propagandists are publicly tarred and feathered, we will continue to deteriorate rapidly as a country.

    This is the most important part of your post.

    I think most people don’t realize it, but this has pretty much already occurred. Faith in the media is at an all-time low, even among democrats. Newspaper circulation is down something like 70% in the last 40 years. Less than 10% of people watch the evening news. The number of people who watch all cable news combined is around the 1% range. Only 32% of people overall even believe the news, with only 7% having a great deal of trust. Remember back when Walter Cronkite was considered the “most trusted man in America?

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx

    I don’t read the actual surveys and their questions, but I always feel “approval” questions are a big mistake. One can disapprove because they think it’s too much, or not enough. Dems and Repubs can both agree that the country is not on the “right track” but have completely opposite right tracks in mind.

    It looks like the poll did not ask people if they “approved.” The wording of the question on the graph says:

    “In general, how much trust and confidence do you have in mass media — such as newspapers, TV, and radio — when it comes to reporting the news fully, accurately, and fairly — [answer choices] A great deal, a fair amount, not very much, or none at all.”

    Yes. But my point was that if 75% of people rust the media that means a lot. But if 25% trust the media, it doesn’t tell us whether the media is too fa to the left or too far to the right. If the 75% who don’t trust the media are evenly balance 37% Dem and 37% Repub, that’s reasonable and suggests polarization not skewing. But if 50% of that 75% that distrusts the the media are all either Democrats OR Republicans — meaning 50% of, say, Repubs distrust the media and 25% of Dems distrust the media, that skewing demonstrates an actual media bias.

    Seems like a lot of the left believes the media is “too conservative” which is both concerning and laughable.

    Seems laughable to me, too, but considering how far left some people are, the liberal media is too conservative for them.

    • #65
  6. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    A party that would vote for Biden would vote for anyone.

    All Democrats are Yellow Dog Democrats.

    • #66
  7. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    I agree with both of your comments. But Newsom won’t sell nationwide, so I’m not that worried about his chances. 

    They don’t have to sell him, really. All he needs is the D after his name, and he’s in.

    They couldn’t sell Biden either. They didn’t even try.

    • #67
  8. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Franco (View Comment):
    Unless and until the corporate media is burned to the ground and the propagandists are publicly tarred and feathered, we will continue to deteriorate rapidly as a country.

    This is the most important part of your post.

    I think most people don’t realize it, but this has pretty much already occurred. Faith in the media is at an all-time low, even among democrats. Newspaper circulation is down something like 70% in the last 40 years. Less than 10% of people watch the evening news. The number of people who watch all cable news combined is around the 1% range. Only 32% of people overall even believe the news, with only 7% having a great deal of trust. Remember back when Walter Cronkite was considered the “most trusted man in America?

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx

    They might not trust “the media” but that same worldview is echoed from every vector of information in the country. There must be media reform, but there must also be reform in every other institution in the country.

    We’ve got to begin the long march.

    • #68
  9. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Pete Buttgieg seems to be failing upwards quite nicely. Handsome and gay, but not the kind of “in your face gay” that turns off many moderate voters. A voter can feel good about voting for a man like that.

    Certainly worth keeping an eye on Mayor Pete. He has been criss-crossing the country handing out federal funds. His face has been all over mid-market media.

    He’ll be the choice of the AWFLs. We gotta wipe them out, too.

    • #69
  10. thelonious Member
    thelonious
    @thelonious

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Pete Buttgieg seems to be failing upwards quite nicely. Handsome and gay, but not the kind of “in your face gay” that turns off many moderate voters. A voter can feel good about voting for a man like that.

    Certainly worth keeping an eye on Mayor Pete. He has been criss-crossing the country handing out federal funds. His face has been all over mid-market media.

    He’ll be the choice of the AWFLs. We gotta wipe them out, too.

    Who are the AWFLs?

    • #70
  11. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    It doesn’t matter who they run. None would be acceptable or tolerable to us. We are two different countries, incompatible to the core. They will out-maneuver and out- fight our side. Their vision sucks. Their madness is spreading. I just returned from a vacation where the cruise ship served me a gelato and gave me a wooden spoon for eating it. That was horrible, the spoon was already splitting before I was done and felt rough. The next week a fast food place gave me a packet of wooden silverware. The wooden knife was worthless. Canned water tasted like the can. Going green is their religion. What now?

     

    • #71
  12. DrewInWisconsin, Oaf Member
    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf
    @DrewInWisconsin

    thelonious (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Pete Buttgieg seems to be failing upwards quite nicely. Handsome and gay, but not the kind of “in your face gay” that turns off many moderate voters. A voter can feel good about voting for a man like that.

    Certainly worth keeping an eye on Mayor Pete. He has been criss-crossing the country handing out federal funds. His face has been all over mid-market media.

    He’ll be the choice of the AWFLs. We gotta wipe them out, too.

    Who are the AWFLs?

    Affluent White Female Liberals.

    AWFLs. Awfuls.

    • #72
  13. Matthew Singer Inactive
    Matthew Singer
    @MatthewSinger

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Gavin Newsom is a rock star whom even otherwise sane independents would vigorously support because of his hair, strong chin, gracious smile and his lean athletic build.

    Image is everything.

    (That’s also why Ramaswamy doesn’t stand a chance.)

    Ramaswamy is too may syllables. (ok Eisenhower is the same), but usually then are one or two. 

    • #73
  14. Matthew Singer Inactive
    Matthew Singer
    @MatthewSinger

    Percival (View Comment):

    I’ll say this for her: Elizabeth Warren makes a mean Pow-Wow Chow.

     

    So they say the was until ’96 a Republican.  It so, she behaves like a reformed smoker ;-)

     

    • #74
  15. Matthew Singer Inactive
    Matthew Singer
    @MatthewSinger

    JoelB (View Comment):

    Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. could be the dark horse candidate that could cause the Republican Party to totally collapse in Goldwater-like defeat. He has some positions that come up crossways of the most-lefty Democrats, such as his stance on vaccines. The combination of the Kennedy name and a Tip O’Neil vibe could make RINO hearts go pit-a-pat as well as put the more traditional elements of the Democrats at ease. The looney lefties would get a wink and a nod. Once in office, he would probably go straight party all the way.

    If that doesn’t work, he could change his name to Casey and run for office in Pennsylvania.

    The vaccine mandate party is not electing RFK Jr.

    • #75
  16. Matthew Singer Inactive
    Matthew Singer
    @MatthewSinger

    thelonious (View Comment):

    Pete Buttgieg seems to be failing upwards quite nicely. Handsome and gay, but not the kind of “in your face gay” that turns off many moderate voters. A voter can feel good about voting for a man like that.

    And totally incompetent… So no different from current administration.

    • #76
  17. Matthew Singer Inactive
    Matthew Singer
    @MatthewSinger

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):

    Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. could be the dark horse candidate that could cause the Republican Party to totally collapse in Goldwater-like defeat. He has some positions that come up crossways of the most-lefty Democrats, such as his stance on vaccines. The combination of the Kennedy name and a Tip O’Neil vibe could make RINO hearts go pit-a-pat as well as put the more traditional elements of the Democrats at ease. The looney lefties would get a wink and a nod. Once in office, he would probably go straight party all the way.

    If that doesn’t work, he could change his name to Casey and run for office in Pennsylvania.

    Does the Kennedy name really mean anything anymore?

    Only people older than their late 60s have any memory of JFKs presidency.

     

    • #77
  18. Matthew Singer Inactive
    Matthew Singer
    @MatthewSinger

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):

    Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. could be the dark horse candidate that could cause the Republican Party to totally collapse in Goldwater-like defeat. He has some positions that come up crossways of the most-lefty Democrats, such as his stance on vaccines. The combination of the Kennedy name and a Tip O’Neil vibe could make RINO hearts go pit-a-pat as well as put the more traditional elements of the Democrats at ease. The looney lefties would get a wink and a nod. Once in office, he would probably go straight party all the way.

    If that doesn’t work, he could change his name to Casey and run for office in Pennsylvania.

    Does the Kennedy name really mean anything anymore?

    Only people older than their late 60s have any memory of JFKs presidency.

    He was a friend of mine, he was a friend of mine
    His killing had no purpose, no reason or rhyme
    He was a friend of mine

    He was in Dallas town, he was in Dallas town
    From a sixth floor window a gunner shot him down
    He died in Dallas town

    He never knew my name, he never knew my name
    Though I never met him I knew him just the same
    Oh he was a friend of mine

    Leader of a nation for such a precious time
    He was a friend of mine

     

    • #78
  19. Miffed White Male Member
    Miffed White Male
    @MiffedWhiteMale

    Matthew Singer (View Comment):

    Miffed White Male (View Comment):

    JoelB (View Comment):

    Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. could be the dark horse candidate that could cause the Republican Party to totally collapse in Goldwater-like defeat. He has some positions that come up crossways of the most-lefty Democrats, such as his stance on vaccines. The combination of the Kennedy name and a Tip O’Neil vibe could make RINO hearts go pit-a-pat as well as put the more traditional elements of the Democrats at ease. The looney lefties would get a wink and a nod. Once in office, he would probably go straight party all the way.

    If that doesn’t work, he could change his name to Casey and run for office in Pennsylvania.

    Does the Kennedy name really mean anything anymore?

    Only people older than their late 60s have any memory of JFKs presidency.

    He was a friend of mine, he was a friend of mine
    His killing had no purpose, no reason or rhyme
    He was a friend of mine

    He was in Dallas town, he was in Dallas town
    From a sixth floor window a gunner shot him down
    He died in Dallas town

    He never knew my name, he never knew my name
    Though I never met him I knew him just the same
    Oh he was a friend of mine

    Leader of a nation for such a precious time
    He was a friend of mine

     

    I think I prefer Abraham, Martin and John.

     

    • #79
  20. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    The way things are going, they might dump Biden for the “tranny of the week.”

    And they’d love to push “The Butt Judge,” but he doesn’t appear too formidable.

    But think of all the Democrats who’ll get behind him . . .

    • #80
  21. Stad Coolidge
    Stad
    @Stad

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Dotorimuk (View Comment):

    The way things are going, they might dump Biden for the “tranny of the week.”

    And they’d love to push “The Butt Judge,” but he doesn’t appear too formidable.

    I see an all-tranny administration in the future……….. “The Butt Judge” is a really crass and vulgar term. I prefer “Booty Juice.”

    I like “Buttgag” . . .

    • #81
  22. Steven Seward Member
    Steven Seward
    @StevenSeward

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    We’ve got to begin the long march.

    Is that a reference to Chairman Mao? 

     

    (just kidding)

    • #82
  23. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    Gary McVey (View Comment):
    I agree with both of your comments. But Newsom won’t sell nationwide, so I’m not that worried about his chances.

    They don’t have to sell him, really. All he needs is the D after his name, and he’s in.

    They couldn’t sell Biden either. They didn’t even try.

    They didn’t have to. Trump sold Biden. Remember that first debate? All we needed was a chance to see Biden stumble, mumble, and ramble. But we didn’t get to see or hear that, because some damn fool kept shouting over him. That man had one job and he didn’t do it. 

    • #83
  24. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Steven Seward (View Comment):

    DrewInWisconsin, Oaf (View Comment):

    This is the most important part of your post.

    I think most people don’t realize it, but this has pretty much already occurred. Faith in the media is at an all-time low, even among democrats. Newspaper circulation is down something like 70% in the last 40 years. Less than 10% of people watch the evening news. The number of people who watch all cable news combined is around the 1% range. Only 32% of people overall even believe the news, with only 7% having a great deal of trust. Remember back when Walter Cronkite was considered the “most trusted man in America?

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/355526/americans-trust-media-dips-second-lowest-record.aspx

    I don’t read the actual surveys and their questions, but I always feel “approval” questions are a big mistake. One can disapprove because they think it’s too much, or not enough. Dems and Repubs can both agree that the country is not on the “right track” but have completely opposite right tracks in mind.

    It looks like the poll did not ask people if they “approved.” The wording of the question on the graph says:

    “In general, how much trust and confidence do you have in mass media — such as newspapers, TV, and radio — when it comes to reporting the news fully, accurately, and fairly — [answer choices] A great deal, a fair amount, not very much, or none at all.”

    Yes. But my point was that if 75% of people rust the media that means a lot. But if 25% trust the media, it doesn’t tell us whether the media is too fa to the left or too far to the right. If the 75% who don’t trust the media are evenly balance 37% Dem and 37% Repub, that’s reasonable and suggests polarization not skewing. But if 50% of that 75% that distrusts the the media are all either Democrats OR Republicans — meaning 50% of, say, Repubs distrust the media and 25% of Dems distrust the media, that skewing demonstrates an actual media bias.

    But they weren’t measuring nor asking about political bias. They were simply asking whether the media is reporting fully, accurately, and fairly. The bias does not even matter much when the overwhelming majority don’t believe what they are saying. When I was growing up, nearly everybody trusted our news sources. We are now closing in on a complete reversal of opinion. Here’s the broad trend for the last 50 years:

    https://news.gallup.com/poll/1663/media-use-evaluation.aspx

    Well, I still think that if people think the media are fair, the means something specific.  If they think it’s not fair, that’s enigmatic and doesn’t tell you much.

    • #84
  25. Randy Weivoda Moderator
    Randy Weivoda
    @RandyWeivoda

    Joker (View Comment):
    If its not Joe or Kamala, then Kamala got thrown under the bus. That is not going to work for a key Dem constituency.

    I could be wrong, but I don’t see a lot of defections if Kamala Harris doesn’t get the nomination. 

    • #85
  26. Gary McVey Contributor
    Gary McVey
    @GaryMcVey

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Joker (View Comment):
    If its not Joe or Kamala, then Kamala got thrown under the bus. That is not going to work for a key Dem constituency.

    I could be wrong, but I don’t see a lot of defections if Kamala Harris doesn’t get the nomination.

    I’d like to think that even Democrats are silently thinking, “Boy, do I wish he’d gone with Tulsi”. 

    • #86
  27. Randy Weivoda Moderator
    Randy Weivoda
    @RandyWeivoda

    Gary McVey (View Comment):

    Randy Weivoda (View Comment):

    Joker (View Comment):
    If its not Joe or Kamala, then Kamala got thrown under the bus. That is not going to work for a key Dem constituency.

    I could be wrong, but I don’t see a lot of defections if Kamala Harris doesn’t get the nomination.

    I’d like to think that even Democrats are silently thinking, “Boy, do I wish he’d gone with Tulsi”.

    I hadn’t even thought of her, but yes, if Tulsi were still a Democrat she could be very formidable.

    • #87
  28. Flicker Coolidge
    Flicker
    @Flicker

    Matthew Singer (View Comment):

    Flicker (View Comment):

    Gavin Newsom is a rock star whom even otherwise sane independents would vigorously support because of his hair, strong chin, gracious smile and his lean athletic build.

    Image is everything.

    (That’s also why Ramaswamy doesn’t stand a chance.)

    Ramaswamy is too may syllables. (ok Eisenhower is the same), but usually then are one or two.

    I know you’re kidding, but I think you’re right about the names.  And fewer consonants.  Goldwater never stood a chance.  We’ve had three presidential administrations named Bush.  Bush beats Clinton in both syllables and consonants.  0bama beats McCain and Romney.  Reagan beats both Carter and Mondale.  It’s science.

    But there’s also the important vowel/consonant ratio.  That’s how Eisenhauer (6/4) won against Stevenson (3/6).  Don’t know how Roosevelt (4/5) beat Hoover (3/3), but he clearly beats Landon (2/4), Willkie (3/4) and Dewey (2/3).  It’s science.

    • #88
  29. Tex929rr Coolidge
    Tex929rr
    @Tex929rr

    Gary McVey (View Comment):They didn’t have to. Trump sold Biden. Remember that first debate? All we needed was a chance to see Biden stumble, mumble, and ramble. But we didn’t get to see or hear that, because some damn fool kept shouting over him. That man had one job and he didn’t do it.

    Sad.

    Truth.

    • #89
  30. db25db Inactive
    db25db
    @db25db

    He’d probably never get through a primary, but I think Gov Pollis on Colorado would be trouble.  He has low name recognition now but the Democratic media machine could change it.  I don’t actually think Democrats will nominate anyone slightly toward the center until they lose a couple elections in a row, like 80, 84 and 88.  Until then, they have no reason to pivot.

    • #90
Become a member to join the conversation. Or sign in if you're already a member.