Elder Abuse

 

What does it say about this country that we would allow a demented senior citizen to be in charge of an entire nation? In any other situation, would we permit someone to endanger millions of people, even if he’s not capable of being in charge? Don’t we have a responsibility to remove this person from his position of power before he does serious damage?

People seem to think there are enough guard rails to make sure that he doesn’t “hurt” himself or others. The military, his staff, and other agencies seem unified in their determination to cover for him and make sure that the dangers are limited. They hold the reins tightly enough to keep him under control and make sure that he makes no decisions that could be catastrophic.

That’s what they think.

To allow politics to be the final arbiter in that decision is frightening and dangerous. To allow an empty suit to appear on the world stage, negotiate with world enemies and wield the power of the presidency is alarming.

Even his wife isn’t prepared to protect him.

Does anyone care about protecting this country?

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  1. Red Herring Coolidge
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    I don’t think a healthy marriage is about controlling the other spouse.

    And in Jill’s case, it wouldn’t be possible anyway. What Trump and Biden have in common is their domineering personality. In marriages in which one person has an extreme personality like that, authority is really lopsided. Melania and Jill can’t control these guys. That’s not an element in their relationship. They have a supportive role so when something bad happens, they are friend and consoler. Frankly, that’s as it should be. You don’t want the person who causes the harm in the first place to be the only person left in the room to give comfort.

    My grandparents had the opposite relationship. My grandmother was the dominant spouse. She would have been able to do what you want done.

    And why would we expect Jill to be able to control Joe when no one else can? That’s ridiculous to even suggest. She’s actually in a worse position than everyone else when it comes to controlling Joe. He’s been doing whatever the heck he pleases from day one. He’s not about to listen to her now.

    Good points, Marci. Looking back then, do you see anything that could have been done to advertise Biden’s dementia? Or would it have been impossible, given the complicity of the media?

    And is there anything that can be done, or are we left with the 25th?

    G-d help us all.

    I think we’re stuck, Susan. Given a divided Congress, don’t hold your breath waiting for the 25th being implemented. It won’t be. I think Biden’s age-related problems were known, but given the Democratic field, he was nominated as being the only one advertising himself as a return to normalcy to a country worn out by the never-ending Trump soap operas. The rest of the Democratic field was just too far out there on the Left, so they went with Biden. Biden turned out to be far out on the left himself – he just goes where the party is, and the Democratic party has shifted Left – but he was able to keep his Leftiness under wraps during the campaign to win.

    And the Democrat party is showing no desire to return to normally. Like a drug addict, they are addicted to their hatred and their power.

    Yeah, not like those on the Right…..sorry, but I have a friend who sends me videos of Steve Bannon’s show, and I see just as much love of power and hatred on display there.

    I am no fan of Steve Bannon. However, when there is hatred on both sides, then it is a good idea to look at who is being hated for what.

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    By the way, if Joe were out of the picture for some reason, Jill would be a problem. She’s got a lot of pent-up energy. It’s not something I want to see happen. 

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    She could be honest.

    That is the missing piece of the puzzle. She was willing to protest when she wasn’t called “Dr.” Did she have the courage to tell him the truth?

    I’m no fan of Jill Biden. But I simply don’t want to criticize anyone based on information that I don’t possess. I don’t know – and you don’t know – what Jill Biden has or has not done in regards to her husband. Maybe she thinks he’ll be fine. Maybe she thinks if anything can be done, it should be done by Congress. Maybe she’s in denial and unable to see what others do see. The point is, we don’t know.

    I am shocked, shocked to find out she didn’t realize he was hidden in his basement during the campaign and doesn’t know what medications he is on and what his health status is.

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    Biden has been wanting to be President for years, so the desire for him to occupy that position is hardly confined to Mrs. Biden and the Democrats. He’s had an overblown idea of his merits for the duration of his career. For his own health, and the health of the country, it would have been better if Mrs. Biden had been able to persuade her husband against running, but I doubt anyone could have dissuaded him. We don’t know if she tried or if she was on board, so it’s best not to question her motives and mindset when we simply can’t know them. And frankly, I don’t see anything different on the GOP side. Trump is pushing 80 – has Melania tried to stop him from running again? If she has, would he listen?

    There are a few points that I would take issue with, PJ. My criticism of Jill is that she might not have been able to stop him, but she should be active now in having him removed by law. What are her motives now? Regarding Trump, he’s nuts but he’s shown no signs of dementia. When he was in office, he passed the mental tests with flying colors. I don’t want him to run, partly because of his age, but mostly because I don’t think he will be good for the country.

    That does not seem like a fair criticism of Jill, Susan. How does Jill have the ability to remove him by law? That doesn’t rest with her, it rests with Congress implementing the 25th Amendment.

    As for Trump, he might be OK now (though I think a case could be made that he’s slipped a few cogs, based on his recent actions), but I simply don’t trust that an 80-something is going to stay OK. I’m done with having the elderly in an office that requires a great deal of mental sharpness and flexibility.

    As spouse, she could do what normal people do when dealing with aging family members.

    None of us who have had aging family members had Kamala Harris waiting to take over our affairs.

    Irrelevant to a decision to get a medical determination

    How do you know that has or hasn’t been done? If it was done, how do you know the results? Have you spoken with Biden’s doctors? I just don’t get this condemnation of Jill Biden that is based on no information at all. Again, I’m no fan, and if I were in her shoes I’d want my husband on the golf course and not in the Oval Office, but you simply don’t know what she has or hasn’t done. 

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    On the question of whether Jill could have stopped him, I wonder if she’d had the courage to tell him the truth about his mental state. Could she have insisted that he be tested, or she would refuse to be his first lady. Yes, I know that’s wishful thinking, but I know that I would do everything I could to stop my husband from taking on a dangerous task.

    I said early on that the catfight between Jill and Kamala was coming.

    Dr. Jill is more vainglorious than Joe.  She was always willing to push him dead or alive into the White House.   Now she gets to make out with Doug on national TV and go the Grammies and the Super Bowl.   She’s living the dream and like most of our elites, she is trying to extract as much personal wealth and power from America’s carcass as possible.

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    Biden has been wanting to be President for years, so the desire for him to occupy that position is hardly confined to Mrs. Biden and the Democrats. He’s had an overblown idea of his merits for the duration of his career. For his own health, and the health of the country, it would have been better if Mrs. Biden had been able to persuade her husband against running, but I doubt anyone could have dissuaded him. We don’t know if she tried or if she was on board, so it’s best not to question her motives and mindset when we simply can’t know them. And frankly, I don’t see anything different on the GOP side. Trump is pushing 80 – has Melania tried to stop him from running again? If she has, would he listen?

    There are a few points that I would take issue with, PJ. My criticism of Jill is that she might not have been able to stop him, but she should be active now in having him removed by law. What are her motives now? Regarding Trump, he’s nuts but he’s shown no signs of dementia. When he was in office, he passed the mental tests with flying colors. I don’t want him to run, partly because of his age, but mostly because I don’t think he will be good for the country.

    That does not seem like a fair criticism of Jill, Susan. How does Jill have the ability to remove him by law? That doesn’t rest with her, it rests with Congress implementing the 25th Amendment.

    As for Trump, he might be OK now (though I think a case could be made that he’s slipped a few cogs, based on his recent actions), but I simply don’t trust that an 80-something is going to stay OK. I’m done with having the elderly in an office that requires a great deal of mental sharpness and flexibility.

    As spouse, she could do what normal people do when dealing with aging family members.

    None of us who have had aging family members had Kamala Harris waiting to take over our affairs.

    Irrelevant to a decision to get a medical determination

    How do you know that has or hasn’t been done? If it was done, how do you know the results? Have you spoken with Biden’s doctors? I just don’t get this condemnation of Jill Biden that is based on no information at all. Again, I’m no fan, and if I were in her shoes I’d want my husband on the golf course and not in the Oval Office, but you simply don’t know what she has or hasn’t done.

    The results are obvious.

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    She could be honest.

    That is the missing piece of the puzzle. She was willing to protest when she wasn’t called “Dr.” Did she have the courage to tell him the truth?

    I’m no fan of Jill Biden. But I simply don’t want to criticize anyone based on information that I don’t possess. I don’t know – and you don’t know – what Jill Biden has or has not done in regards to her husband. Maybe she thinks he’ll be fine. Maybe she thinks if anything can be done, it should be done by Congress. Maybe she’s in denial and unable to see what others do see. The point is, we don’t know.

    I am shocked, shocked to find out she didn’t realize he was hidden in his basement during the campaign and doesn’t know what medications he is on and what his health status is.

    You don’t know what she does or doesn’t know, what she has done or has not done, or what she believes or doesn’t believe about what she does know. That’s all I’m saying. It just seems stupid to erect a strawman about Jill Biden based on our ideas of what we want to see. 

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    She could be honest.

    That is the missing piece of the puzzle. She was willing to protest when she wasn’t called “Dr.” Did she have the courage to tell him the truth?

    I’m no fan of Jill Biden. But I simply don’t want to criticize anyone based on information that I don’t possess. I don’t know – and you don’t know – what Jill Biden has or has not done in regards to her husband. Maybe she thinks he’ll be fine. Maybe she thinks if anything can be done, it should be done by Congress. Maybe she’s in denial and unable to see what others do see. The point is, we don’t know.

    I am shocked, shocked to find out she didn’t realize he was hidden in his basement during the campaign and doesn’t know what medications he is on and what his health status is.

    You don’t know what she does or doesn’t know, what she has done or has not done, or what she believes or doesn’t believe about what she does know. That’s all I’m saying. It just seems stupid to erect a strawman about Jill Biden based on our ideas of what we want to see.

    Compare and contrast her to Melanie and Hillary.

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    I don’t think a healthy marriage is about controlling the other spouse.

    And in Jill’s case, it wouldn’t be possible anyway. What Trump and Biden have in common is their domineering personality. In marriages in which one person has an extreme personality like that, authority is really lopsided. Melania and Jill can’t control these guys. That’s not an element in their relationship. They have a supportive role so when something bad happens, they are friend and consoler. Frankly, that’s as it should be. You don’t want the person who causes the harm in the first place to be the only person left in the room to give comfort.

    My grandparents had the opposite relationship. My grandmother was the dominant spouse. She would have been able to do what you want done.

    And why would we expect Jill to be able to control Joe when no one else can? That’s ridiculous to even suggest. She’s actually in a worse position than everyone else when it comes to controlling Joe. He’s been doing whatever the heck he pleases from day one. He’s not about to listen to her now.

    Good points, Marci. Looking back then, do you see anything that could have been done to advertise Biden’s dementia? Or would it have been impossible, given the complicity of the media?

    And is there anything that can be done, or are we left with the 25th?

    G-d help us all.

    I think we’re stuck, Susan. Given a divided Congress, don’t hold your breath waiting for the 25th being implemented. It won’t be. I think Biden’s age-related problems were known, but given the Democratic field, he was nominated as being the only one advertising himself as a return to normalcy to a country worn out by the never-ending Trump soap operas. The rest of the Democratic field was just too far out there on the Left, so they went with Biden. Biden turned out to be far out on the left himself – he just goes where the party is, and the Democratic party has shifted Left – but he was able to keep his Leftiness under wraps during the campaign to win.

    And the Democrat party is showing no desire to return to normally. Like a drug addict, they are addicted to their hatred and their power.

    Yeah, not like those on the Right…..sorry, but I have a friend who sends me videos of Steve Bannon’s show, and I see just as much love of power and hatred on display there.

    I am no fan of Steve Bannon. However, when there is hatred on both sides, then it is a good idea to look at who is being hated for what.

    True. I’m not making the case for moral equivalency, as I think the Left is anti-reason, anti-family, destructive, and a major cause of human misery. But I don’t think the Steve Bannons of the world, and those on the Right who use his methods, are much better. They strike me as being just as consumed with hatred and a love of power as the Left. 

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    She could be honest.

    That is the missing piece of the puzzle. She was willing to protest when she wasn’t called “Dr.” Did she have the courage to tell him the truth?

    I’m no fan of Jill Biden. But I simply don’t want to criticize anyone based on information that I don’t possess. I don’t know – and you don’t know – what Jill Biden has or has not done in regards to her husband. Maybe she thinks he’ll be fine. Maybe she thinks if anything can be done, it should be done by Congress. Maybe she’s in denial and unable to see what others do see. The point is, we don’t know.

    I am shocked, shocked to find out she didn’t realize he was hidden in his basement during the campaign and doesn’t know what medications he is on and what his health status is.

    You don’t know what she does or doesn’t know, what she has done or has not done, or what she believes or doesn’t believe about what she does know. That’s all I’m saying. It just seems stupid to erect a strawman about Jill Biden based on our ideas of what we want to see.

    Compare and contrast her to Melanie and Hillary.

    I’ve never met Hillary or Melania. I know more about Hillary – enough to dislike her and everything she stands for – because she’s been a public figure for so long. But I won’t pretend to have knowledge of her relationship with Bill. I know much less about Melania, and have no basis whatever to know what degree of control she does or doesn’t have on Trump. Ditto with Jill. You seem quite ready to make pronouncements about people and intimate relationships that  you don’t know personally. I’m sure it feels very satisfying.

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    She could be honest.

    That is the missing piece of the puzzle. She was willing to protest when she wasn’t called “Dr.” Did she have the courage to tell him the truth?

    I’m no fan of Jill Biden. But I simply don’t want to criticize anyone based on information that I don’t possess. I don’t know – and you don’t know – what Jill Biden has or has not done in regards to her husband. Maybe she thinks he’ll be fine. Maybe she thinks if anything can be done, it should be done by Congress. Maybe she’s in denial and unable to see what others do see. The point is, we don’t know.

    I am shocked, shocked to find out she didn’t realize he was hidden in his basement during the campaign and doesn’t know what medications he is on and what his health status is.

    You don’t know what she does or doesn’t know, what she has done or has not done, or what she believes or doesn’t believe about what she does know. That’s all I’m saying. It just seems stupid to erect a strawman about Jill Biden based on our ideas of what we want to see.

    Compare and contrast her to Melanie and Hillary.

    I’ve never met Hillary or Melania. I know more about Hillary – enough to dislike her and everything she stands for – because she’s been a public figure for so long. But I won’t pretend to have knowledge of her relationship with Bill. I know much less about Melania, and have no basis whatever to know what degree of control she does or doesn’t have on Trump. Ditto with Jill. You seem quite ready to make pronouncements about people and intimate relationships that you don’t know personally. I’m sure it feels very satisfying.

    I was referring to their own behavior in the role of First Lady. As to what they know about their spouses, I have been married a very long time and I went through my father’s decline with dementia. I am a good judge of what a spouse knows and about recognizing and dealing with dementia. Biden was sold to the voters through various lies. I have nothing but contempt for all involved.

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    She could be honest.

    That is the missing piece of the puzzle. She was willing to protest when she wasn’t called “Dr.” Did she have the courage to tell him the truth?

    I’m no fan of Jill Biden. But I simply don’t want to criticize anyone based on information that I don’t possess. I don’t know – and you don’t know – what Jill Biden has or has not done in regards to her husband. Maybe she thinks he’ll be fine. Maybe she thinks if anything can be done, it should be done by Congress. Maybe she’s in denial and unable to see what others do see. The point is, we don’t know.

    I am shocked, shocked to find out she didn’t realize he was hidden in his basement during the campaign and doesn’t know what medications he is on and what his health status is.

    You don’t know what she does or doesn’t know, what she has done or has not done, or what she believes or doesn’t believe about what she does know. That’s all I’m saying. It just seems stupid to erect a strawman about Jill Biden based on our ideas of what we want to see.

    Compare and contrast her to Melanie and Hillary.

    I’ve never met Hillary or Melania. I know more about Hillary – enough to dislike her and everything she stands for – because she’s been a public figure for so long. But I won’t pretend to have knowledge of her relationship with Bill. I know much less about Melania, and have no basis whatever to know what degree of control she does or doesn’t have on Trump. Ditto with Jill. You seem quite ready to make pronouncements about people and intimate relationships that you don’t know personally. I’m sure it feels very satisfying.

    I was referring to their own behavior in the role of First Lady. As to what they know about their spouses, I have been married a very long time and I went through my father’s decline with dementia. I am a good judge of what a spouse knows and about recognizing and dealing with dementia. Biden was sold to the voters through various lies. I have nothing but contempt for all involved.

    I share your contempt with all involved, and I too was married for a long time. But I simply don’t think that you can judge a person and that person’s actions when you don’t possess enough information. You don’t know what Biden’s doctors have said to Jill, or what she has said to them. You don’t know enough about her to know if she is in denial about his state, thinks he’s got problems but can muddle through, or that she thinks he shouldn’t be in office but is being overruled by other Democrats. Maybe there are other considerations she has that I don’t know  of because I’m not her. I simply don’t know, and you don’t either. Now, if you gain access to real information that sheds light on any of these possibilities, I’m happy to hear it, but otherwise you’re just projecting onto her the motives that you want to believe she has.

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    On the question of whether Jill could have stopped him, I wonder if she’d had the courage to tell him the truth about his mental state. Could she have insisted that he be tested, or she would refuse to be his first lady. Yes, I know that’s wishful thinking, but I know that I would do everything I could to stop my husband from taking on a dangerous task.

    I said early on that the catfight between Jill and Kamala was coming.

    What do you think they will fight about? Will Kamala want Jill to get him out any which way?

    Kamala wants to be president and Jill would become a powerless nobody once Biden is removed

    I’m sure she loves being the first lady. Why would she give that up? Dr Jill is probably like every other grifter in Joe’s life.  These people view relationships as transactional . She and thousands of others are gonna ride this demented donkey until it drops dead. Just look at the corroption and grift in his own family. I doubt anybody cares about his well being. Just keep the status and money train going. It’s sad and pathetic but I also think this A-hole is reaping what he has sown.

    Perhaps I’m a tad cynical.

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    The lovely Mrs E makes this point frequently. Taking advantage of him and trotting him out there for purposes not his own certainly seems abusive to him and dangerous to us. She finds his wife especially troubling. Does she crave being in the White House so much that she’s willing to allow/participate in the abuse of her husband? Did she promise her son she’d do everything in her power to put Joe in the fancy chair … and she sees this as the only way? It’s a mystery.

     

    My wife says much of the same things and she gets mad about it.

    I remember Nancy Reagan always seemed a little odd to me, but to her credit, she was fierce when it came to protecting her husband. 

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    This is not abuse.  This is living the dream.  And everyone around Biden is helping him live out his life-long dream.   This was the biggest bulk of his bucket list.  Let him enjoy it.

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    I don’t think it would matter which leader took the reins. All of the Democratic Party leaders think and work in lockstep. It wouldn’t matter who was in there: the debt is going to continue to grow, the climate change activists are going to ruin our lives, and everyone will live in fear of the woke Reign of Terror Committee of Public Safety.

    But Biden can do things the Party can’t.

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    On the question of whether Jill could have stopped him, I wonder if she’d had the courage to tell him the truth about his mental state. Could she have insisted that he be tested, or she would refuse to be his first lady. Yes, I know that’s wishful thinking, but I know that I would do everything I could to stop my husband from taking on a dangerous task.

    I said early on that the catfight between Jill and Kamala was coming.

    What do you think they will fight about? Will Kamala want Jill to get him out any which way?

    Kamala wants to be president and Jill would become a powerless nobody once Biden is removed

    Not true – Jill would still be a Doctor.

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    She could be honest.

     

     

    I am shocked, shocked to find out she didn’t realize he was hidden in his basement during the campaign and doesn’t know what medications he is on and what his health status is.

     

    Compare and contrast her to Melanie and Hillary.

    I’ve never met Hillary or Melania. I know more about Hillary – enough to dislike her and everything she stands for – because she’s been a public figure for so long. But I won’t pretend to have knowledge of her relationship with Bill. I know much less about Melania, and have no basis whatever to know what degree of control she does or doesn’t have on Trump. Ditto with Jill. You seem quite ready to make pronouncements about people and intimate relationships that you don’t know personally. I’m sure it feels very satisfying.

    I was referring to their own behavior in the role of First Lady. As to what they know about their spouses, I have been married a very long time and I went through my father’s decline with dementia. I am a good judge of what a spouse knows and about recognizing and dealing with dementia. Biden was sold to the voters through various lies. I have nothing but contempt for all involved.

    I share your contempt with all involved, and I too was married for a long time. But I simply don’t think that you can judge a person and that person’s actions when you don’t possess enough information. You don’t know what Biden’s doctors have said to Jill, or what she has said to them. You don’t know enough about her to know if she is in denial about his state, thinks he’s got problems but can muddle through, or that she thinks he shouldn’t be in office but is being overruled by other Democrats. Maybe there are other considerations she has that I don’t know of because I’m not her. I simply don’t know, and you don’t either. Now, if you gain access to real information that sheds light on any of these possibilities, I’m happy to hear it, but otherwise you’re just projecting onto her the motives that you want to believe she has.

    Now you are projecting  what you want to believe about me. Biden was installed by lies. He is retained by lies. I have already received in my emails the lie that his speech was a great success, that he intends to run again (true), and that there will be no opposition rising up from inside his party. Cheers. 

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    On the question of whether Jill could have stopped him, I wonder if she’d had the courage to tell him the truth about his mental state. Could she have insisted that he be tested, or she would refuse to be his first lady. Yes, I know that’s wishful thinking, but I know that I would do everything I could to stop my husband from taking on a dangerous task.

    I said early on that the catfight between Jill and Kamala was coming.

    What do you think they will fight about? Will Kamala want Jill to get him out any which way?

    Kamala wants to be president and Jill would become a powerless nobody once Biden is removed

    Not true – Jill would still be a Doctor.

    Would she still stay on as Surgeon General?

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  20. Painter Jean Moderator
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

     

    Now you are projecting what you want to believe about me. Biden was installed by lies. He is retained by lies. I have already received in my emails the lie that his speech was a great success, that he intends to run again (true), and that there will be no opposition rising up from inside his party. Cheers.

    What does any of that have to do with the assertion being made here that Jill Biden is in control of what Biden is doing? 

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  21. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    Good points, Marci. Looking back then, do you see anything that could have been done to advertise Biden’s dementia? Or would it have been impossible, given the complicity of the media?

    And is there anything that can be done, or are we left with the 25th?

    G-d help us all.

    I think we’re stuck, Susan. Given a divided Congress, don’t hold your breath waiting for the 25th being implemented. It won’t be. I think Biden’s age-related problems were known, but given the Democratic field, he was nominated as being the only one advertising himself as a return to normalcy to a country worn out by the never-ending Trump soap operas. The rest of the Democratic field was just too far out there on the Left, so they went with Biden. Biden turned out to be far out on the left himself – he just goes where the party is, and the Democratic party has shifted Left – but he was able to keep his Leftiness under wraps during the campaign to win.

    And the Democrat party is showing no desire to return to normally. Like a drug addict, they are addicted to their hatred and their power.

    Yeah, not like those on the Right…..sorry, but I have a friend who sends me videos of Steve Bannon’s show, and I see just as much love of power and hatred on display there.

    I am no fan of Steve Bannon. However, when there is hatred on both sides, then it is a good idea to look at who is being hated for what.

    True. I’m not making the case for moral equivalency, as I think the Left is anti-reason, anti-family, destructive, and a major cause of human misery. But I don’t think the Steve Bannons of the world, and those on the Right who use his methods, are much better. They strike me as being just as consumed with hatred and a love of power as the Left.

    Who do you place in the same category as Bannon?

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  22. OldPhil Coolidge
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    On the question of whether Jill could have stopped him, I wonder if she’d had the courage to tell him the truth about his mental state. Could she have insisted that he be tested, or she would refuse to be his first lady. Yes, I know that’s wishful thinking, but I know that I would do everything I could to stop my husband from taking on a dangerous task.

    I said early on that the catfight between Jill and Kamala was coming.

    After Jill and Mr. Kamala’s mouth-on-mouth smooch last night, maybe it’s getting close.

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  23. Stad Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn: What does it say about this country that we would allow a demented senior citizen to be in charge of an entire nation?

    Put another way, what does it say about the poeple who voted for him?

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  24. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: What does it say about this country that we would allow a demented senior citizen to be in charge of an entire nation?

    Put another way, what does it say about the poeple who voted for him?

    You are correct, Stad. And the mainstream media is to blame, too.

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  25. Vance Richards Inactive
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    Stad (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: What does it say about this country that we would allow a demented senior citizen to be in charge of an entire nation?

    Put another way, what does it say about the poeple who voted for him?

    Or at least the ones that harvested ballots for him

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  26. HeavyWater Inactive
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    Biden has been wanting to be President for years, so the desire for him to occupy that position is hardly confined to Mrs. Biden and the Democrats. He’s had an overblown idea of his merits for the duration of his career. For his own health, and the health of the country, it would have been better if Mrs. Biden had been able to persuade her husband against running, but I doubt anyone could have dissuaded him. We don’t know if she tried or if she was on board, so it’s best not to question her motives and mindset when we simply can’t know them. And frankly, I don’t see anything different on the GOP side. Trump is pushing 80 – has Melania tried to stop him from running again? If she has, would he listen?

    There are a few points that I would take issue with, PJ. My criticism of Jill is that she might not have been able to stop him, but she should be active now in having him removed by law. What are her motives now? Regarding Trump, he’s nuts but he’s shown no signs of dementia. When he was in office, he passed the mental tests with flying colors. I don’t want him to run, partly because of his age, but mostly because I don’t think he will be good for the country.

    That does not seem like a fair criticism of Jill, Susan. How does Jill have the ability to remove him by law? That doesn’t rest with her, it rests with Congress implementing the 25th Amendment.

    As for Trump, he might be OK now (though I think a case could be made that he’s slipped a few cogs, based on his recent actions), but I simply don’t trust that an 80-something is going to stay OK. I’m done with having the elderly in an office that requires a great deal of mental sharpness and flexibility.

    Yes.  Electing someone who is over the age of 75 to the presidency is essentially playing a game of Russian Roulette with the United States of America.  Neither Joe Biden nor Donald Trump should run for president in 2024.  

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  27. DaveSchmidt Coolidge
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    In any rational country Joe Biden would not be permitted to drive a bus let alone lead a nation. 

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  28. Steve Fast Member
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    OldPhil (View Comment):

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    On the question of whether Jill could have stopped him, I wonder if she’d had the courage to tell him the truth about his mental state. Could she have insisted that he be tested, or she would refuse to be his first lady. Yes, I know that’s wishful thinking, but I know that I would do everything I could to stop my husband from taking on a dangerous task.

    I said early on that the catfight between Jill and Kamala was coming.

    After Jill and Mr. Kamala’s mouth-on-mouth smooch last night, maybe it’s getting close.

    If Joe can sniff hair and sexually assault staffers, surely Dr. Jill can smooch Mr. Kamala. It’s only fair.

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  29. DonG (CAGW is a Scam) Coolidge
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    DaveSchmidt (View Comment):

    In any rational country Joe Biden would not be permitted to drive a bus let alone lead a nation.

    Rapey Joe Biden should not be allowed within 1000 feet of children.

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  30. EB Thatcher
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):
    has Melania tried to stop him from running again?  If she has, would he listen?

    “Maybe” to your first question, “No” to your second.  @painterjean

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