Elder Abuse

 

What does it say about this country that we would allow a demented senior citizen to be in charge of an entire nation? In any other situation, would we permit someone to endanger millions of people, even if he’s not capable of being in charge? Don’t we have a responsibility to remove this person from his position of power before he does serious damage?

People seem to think there are enough guard rails to make sure that he doesn’t “hurt” himself or others. The military, his staff, and other agencies seem unified in their determination to cover for him and make sure that the dangers are limited. They hold the reins tightly enough to keep him under control and make sure that he makes no decisions that could be catastrophic.

That’s what they think.

To allow politics to be the final arbiter in that decision is frightening and dangerous. To allow an empty suit to appear on the world stage, negotiate with world enemies and wield the power of the presidency is alarming.

Even his wife isn’t prepared to protect him.

Does anyone care about protecting this country?

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  1. Ekosj Member
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    The lovely Mrs E makes this point frequently.   Taking advantage of him and trotting him out there for purposes not his own certainly seems abusive to him and dangerous to us.   She finds his wife especially troubling.   Does she crave being in the White House so much that she’s willing to allow/participate in the abuse of her husband?   Did she promise her son she’d do everything in her power to put Joe in the fancy chair … and she sees this as the only way?    It’s a mystery.

     

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  2. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Ekosj (View Comment):

    The lovely Mrs E makes this point frequently. Taking advantage of him and trotting him out there for purposes not his own certainly seems abusive to him and dangerous to us. She finds his wife especially troubling. Does she crave being in the White House so much that she’s willing to allow/participate in the abuse of her husband? Did she promise her son she’d do everything in her power to put Joe in the fancy chair … and she sees this as the only way? It’s a mystery.

     

    It is a mystery, but I suspect that Jill and the Democrats are power hungry. So sad. Thanks, ekosj.

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  3. Painter Jean Moderator
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    @PainterJean

    Biden has been wanting to be President for years, so the desire for him to occupy that position is hardly confined to Mrs. Biden and the Democrats. He’s had an overblown idea of his merits for the duration of his career. For his own health, and the health of the country, it would have been better if Mrs. Biden had been able to persuade her husband against running, but I doubt anyone could have dissuaded him. We don’t know if she tried or if she was on board, so it’s best not to question her motives and mindset when we simply can’t know them. And frankly, I don’t see anything different on the GOP side. Trump is pushing 80 – has Melania tried to stop him from running again?  If she has, would he listen?

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  4. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Biden has been wanting to be President for years, so the desire for him to occupy that position is hardly confined to Mrs. Biden and the Democrats. He’s had an overblown idea of his merits for the duration of his career. For his own health, and the health of the country, it would have been better if Mrs. Biden had been able to persuade her husband against running, but I doubt anyone could have dissuaded him. We don’t know if she tried or if she was on board, so it’s best not to question her motives and mindset when we simply can’t know them. And frankly, I don’t see anything different on the GOP side. Trump is pushing 80 – has Melania tried to stop him from running again? If she has, would he listen?

    There are a few points that I would take issue with, PJ. My criticism of Jill is that she might not have been able to stop him, but she should be active now in having him removed by law. What are her motives now? Regarding Trump, he’s nuts but he’s shown no signs of dementia. When he was in office, he passed the mental tests with flying colors. I don’t want him to run, partly because of his age, but mostly because I don’t think he will be good for the country.

    P.S.–I like the new avatar!

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  5. Scott Wilmot Member
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    @ScottWilmot

    They knew he was not up to the task from the beginning of his basement campaign. He was propped up like the puppet he is. He’s too far gone to understand this but not his family and puppet masters. It is indeed elder abuse but it serves their plan of destruction as they keep trotting out this old deranged man. We can always rely on the “oh that’s just Scranton Joe” memes while they deliberately destroy the country they hate. They have no plan at all to protect the country. They hate America.

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  6. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    @danok1

    Susan Quinn: People seem to think there are enough guard rails to make sure that he doesn’t “hurt” himself or others. The military, his staff and other agencies seem unified in their determination to cover for him and make sure that the dangers are limited. They hold the reins tightly enough to keep him under control and make sure that he makes no decisions that could be catastrophic.

    I agree that * needs to go, but I have a real issue with what you wrote here. If this is actually what’s going on (and I suspect it is, because we saw Gen. Milley undermine and commit insubordination under Trump), it’s a real problem. If someone in an Administration can no longer follow the orders and directives of the POTUS, that person either needs to resign and make clear why, or work with others in the Administration to remove the POTUS as law provides.

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  7. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    On the question of whether Jill could have stopped him, I wonder if she’d had the courage to tell him the truth about his mental state. Could she have insisted that he be tested, or she would refuse to be his first lady. Yes, I know that’s wishful thinking, but I know that I would do everything I could to stop my husband from taking on a dangerous task.

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  8. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: People seem to think there are enough guard rails to make sure that he doesn’t “hurt” himself or others. The military, his staff and other agencies seem unified in their determination to cover for him and make sure that the dangers are limited. They hold the reins tightly enough to keep him under control and make sure that he makes no decisions that could be catastrophic.

    I agree that * needs to go, but I have a real issue with what you wrote here. If this is actually what’s going on (and I suspect it is, because we saw Gen. Milley undermine and commit insubordination under Trump), it’s a real problem. If someone in an Administration can no longer follow the orders and directives of the POTUS, that person either needs to resign and make clear why, or work with others in the Administration to remove the POTUS as law provides.

    So what is your issue? Did I say something that contradicts your point? Clearly Milley was wrong under Trump and he’s wrong now. I agree he should resign or see that POTUS is removed under the law. I didn’t say insubordination was acceptable.

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  9. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    @SusanQuinn

    Also, the military got Biden to wait on taking down the balloon by his choice, and only took it down when he approved it.  This is one time when Biden might have gotten it right–he says he wanted to shoot down the balloon right away.

    On the other hand, if someone in govt. detected earlier balloons under Trump, they should have told Trump. To me, that is insurbordination.

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  10. Red Herring Coolidge
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    @EHerring

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    On the question of whether Jill could have stopped him, I wonder if she’d had the courage to tell him the truth about his mental state. Could she have insisted that he be tested, or she would refuse to be his first lady. Yes, I know that’s wishful thinking, but I know that I would do everything I could to stop my husband from taking on a dangerous task.

    I said early on that the catfight between Jill and Kamala was coming.

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  11. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    On the question of whether Jill could have stopped him, I wonder if she’d had the courage to tell him the truth about his mental state. Could she have insisted that he be tested, or she would refuse to be his first lady. Yes, I know that’s wishful thinking, but I know that I would do everything I could to stop my husband from taking on a dangerous task.

    I said early on that the catfight between Jill and Kamala was coming.

    What do you think they will fight about? Will Kamala want Jill to get him out any which way?

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  12. Painter Jean Moderator
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Biden has been wanting to be President for years, so the desire for him to occupy that position is hardly confined to Mrs. Biden and the Democrats. He’s had an overblown idea of his merits for the duration of his career. For his own health, and the health of the country, it would have been better if Mrs. Biden had been able to persuade her husband against running, but I doubt anyone could have dissuaded him. We don’t know if she tried or if she was on board, so it’s best not to question her motives and mindset when we simply can’t know them. And frankly, I don’t see anything different on the GOP side. Trump is pushing 80 – has Melania tried to stop him from running again? If she has, would he listen?

    There are a few points that I would take issue with, PJ. My criticism of Jill is that she might not have been able to stop him, but she should be active now in having him removed by law. What are her motives now? Regarding Trump, he’s nuts but he’s shown no signs of dementia. When he was in office, he passed the mental tests with flying colors. I don’t want him to run, partly because of his age, but mostly because I don’t think he will be good for the country.

    That does not seem like a fair criticism of Jill, Susan. How does Jill have the ability to remove him by law? That doesn’t rest with her, it rests with Congress implementing the 25th Amendment. 

    As for Trump, he might be OK now (though I think a case could be made that he’s slipped a few cogs, based on his recent actions), but I simply don’t trust that an 80-something is going to stay OK. I’m done with having the elderly in an office that requires a great deal of mental sharpness and flexibility. 

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  13. MarciN Member
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    I don’t think a healthy marriage is about controlling the other spouse.

    And in Jill’s case, it wouldn’t be possible anyway. What Trump and Biden have in common is their domineering personality. In marriages in which one person has an extreme personality like that, authority is really lopsided. Melania and Jill can’t control these guys. That’s not an element in their relationship. They have a supportive role so when something bad happens, they are friend and consoler. Frankly, that’s as it should be. You don’t want the person who causes the harm in the first place to be the only person left in the room to give comfort.

    My grandparents had the opposite relationship. My grandmother was the dominant spouse. She would have been able to do what you want done.

    And why would we expect Jill to be able to control Joe when no one else can? That’s ridiculous to even suggest. She’s actually in a worse position than everyone else when it comes to controlling Joe. He’s been doing whatever the heck he pleases from day one. He’s not about to listen to her now.

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  14. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    That does not seem like a fair criticism of Jill, Susan. How does Jill have the ability to remove him by law? That doesn’t rest with her, it rests with Congress implementing the 25th Amendment. 

    As for Trump, he might be OK now (though I think a case could be made that he’s slipped a few cogs, based on his recent actions), but I simply don’t trust that an 80-something is going to stay OK. I’m done with having the elderly in an office that requires a great deal of mental sharpness and flexibility. 

    She could pressure key people in Congress to implement the 25th. I doubt that she’s done that. Regarding Trump, I don’t know how you could tell he’s “slipped a few cogs” since he’s always been bizarre! ;-) Still, I’m with you on the age thing; too much can happen mentally after 80, and from this post, you know I’m very concerned about the mental agility of the President.

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  15. Painter Jean Moderator
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I don’t think a healthy marriage is about controlling the other spouse.

    And in Jill’s case, it wouldn’t be possible anyway. What Trump and Biden have in common is their domineering personality. In marriages in which one person has an extreme personality like that, authority is really lopsided. Melania and Jill can’t control these guys. That’s not an element in their relationship. They have a supportive role so when something bad happens, they are friend and consoler. Frankly, that’s as it should be. You don’t want the person who causes the harm in the first place to be the only person left in the room to give comfort.

    My grandparents had the opposite relationship. My grandmother was the dominant spouse. She would have been able to do what you want done.

    And why would we expect Jill to be able to control Joe when no one else can? That’s ridiculous to even suggest. She’s actually in a worse position than everyone else when it comes to controlling Joe. He’s been doing whatever the heck he pleases from day one. He’s not about to listen to her now.

    Thank you, Marci – you made good points, very succinctly. 

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  16. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    MarciN (View Comment):

    I don’t think a healthy marriage is about controlling the other spouse.

    And in Jill’s case, it wouldn’t be possible anyway. What Trump and Biden have in common is their domineering personality. In marriages in which one person has an extreme personality like that, authority is really lopsided. Melania and Jill can’t control these guys. That’s not an element in their relationship. They have a supportive role so when something bad happens, they are friend and consoler. Frankly, that’s as it should be. You don’t want the person who causes the harm in the first place to be the only person left in the room to give comfort.

    My grandparents had the opposite relationship. My grandmother was the dominant spouse. She would have been able to do what you want done.

    And why would we expect Jill to be able to control Joe when no one else can? That’s ridiculous to even suggest. She’s actually in a worse position than everyone else when it comes to controlling Joe. He’s been doing whatever the heck he pleases from day one. He’s not about to listen to her now.

    Good points, Marci. Looking back then, do you see anything that could have been done to advertise Biden’s dementia? Or would it have been impossible, given the complicity of the media? 

    And is there anything that can be done, or are we left with the 25th?

    G-d help us all.

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  17. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    On the question of whether Jill could have stopped him, I wonder if she’d had the courage to tell him the truth about his mental state. Could she have insisted that he be tested, or she would refuse to be his first lady. Yes, I know that’s wishful thinking, but I know that I would do everything I could to stop my husband from taking on a dangerous task.

    I said early on that the catfight between Jill and Kamala was coming.

    What do you think they will fight about? Will Kamala want Jill to get him out any which way?

    Kamala wants to be president and Jill would become a powerless nobody once Biden is removed

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  18. Red Herring Coolidge
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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Biden has been wanting to be President for years, so the desire for him to occupy that position is hardly confined to Mrs. Biden and the Democrats. He’s had an overblown idea of his merits for the duration of his career. For his own health, and the health of the country, it would have been better if Mrs. Biden had been able to persuade her husband against running, but I doubt anyone could have dissuaded him. We don’t know if she tried or if she was on board, so it’s best not to question her motives and mindset when we simply can’t know them. And frankly, I don’t see anything different on the GOP side. Trump is pushing 80 – has Melania tried to stop him from running again? If she has, would he listen?

    There are a few points that I would take issue with, PJ. My criticism of Jill is that she might not have been able to stop him, but she should be active now in having him removed by law. What are her motives now? Regarding Trump, he’s nuts but he’s shown no signs of dementia. When he was in office, he passed the mental tests with flying colors. I don’t want him to run, partly because of his age, but mostly because I don’t think he will be good for the country.

    That does not seem like a fair criticism of Jill, Susan. How does Jill have the ability to remove him by law? That doesn’t rest with her, it rests with Congress implementing the 25th Amendment.

    As for Trump, he might be OK now (though I think a case could be made that he’s slipped a few cogs, based on his recent actions), but I simply don’t trust that an 80-something is going to stay OK. I’m done with having the elderly in an office that requires a great deal of mental sharpness and flexibility.

    As spouse, she could do what normal people do when dealing with aging family members.

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  19. Red Herring Coolidge
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    @EHerring

    MarciN (View Comment):

    I don’t think a healthy marriage is about controlling the other spouse.

    And in Jill’s case, it wouldn’t be possible anyway. What Trump and Biden have in common is their domineering personality. In marriages in which one person has an extreme personality like that, authority is really lopsided. Melania and Jill can’t control these guys. That’s not an element in their relationship. They have a supportive role so when something bad happens, they are friend and consoler. Frankly, that’s as it should be. You don’t want the person who causes the harm in the first place to be the only person left in the room to give comfort.

    My grandparents had the opposite relationship. My grandmother was the dominant spouse. She would have been able to do what you want done.

    And why would we expect Jill to be able to control Joe when no one else can? That’s ridiculous to even suggest. She’s actually in a worse position than everyone else when it comes to controlling Joe. He’s been doing whatever the heck he pleases from day one. He’s not about to listen to her now.

    She could be honest.

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  20. Susan Quinn Contributor
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    Red Herring (View Comment):
    She could be honest.

    That is the missing piece of the puzzle. She was willing to protest when she wasn’t called “Dr.” Did she have the courage to tell him the truth?

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  21. Painter Jean Moderator
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    I don’t think a healthy marriage is about controlling the other spouse.

    And in Jill’s case, it wouldn’t be possible anyway. What Trump and Biden have in common is their domineering personality. In marriages in which one person has an extreme personality like that, authority is really lopsided. Melania and Jill can’t control these guys. That’s not an element in their relationship. They have a supportive role so when something bad happens, they are friend and consoler. Frankly, that’s as it should be. You don’t want the person who causes the harm in the first place to be the only person left in the room to give comfort.

    My grandparents had the opposite relationship. My grandmother was the dominant spouse. She would have been able to do what you want done.

    And why would we expect Jill to be able to control Joe when no one else can? That’s ridiculous to even suggest. She’s actually in a worse position than everyone else when it comes to controlling Joe. He’s been doing whatever the heck he pleases from day one. He’s not about to listen to her now.

    Good points, Marci. Looking back then, do you see anything that could have been done to advertise Biden’s dementia? Or would it have been impossible, given the complicity of the media?

    And is there anything that can be done, or are we left with the 25th?

    G-d help us all.

    I think we’re stuck, Susan. Given a divided Congress, don’t hold your breath waiting for the 25th being implemented. It won’t be. I think Biden’s age-related problems were known, but given the Democratic field, he was nominated as being the only one advertising himself as a return to normalcy to a country worn out by the never-ending Trump soap operas. The rest of the Democratic field was just too far out there on the Left, so they went with Biden. Biden turned out to be far out on the Left himself – he just goes where the party is, and the Democratic party has shifted Left – but he was able to keep his Leftiness under wraps during the campaign to win.

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  22. Red Herring Coolidge
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    @EHerring

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    I don’t think a healthy marriage is about controlling the other spouse.

    And in Jill’s case, it wouldn’t be possible anyway. What Trump and Biden have in common is their domineering personality. In marriages in which one person has an extreme personality like that, authority is really lopsided. Melania and Jill can’t control these guys. That’s not an element in their relationship. They have a supportive role so when something bad happens, they are friend and consoler. Frankly, that’s as it should be. You don’t want the person who causes the harm in the first place to be the only person left in the room to give comfort.

    My grandparents had the opposite relationship. My grandmother was the dominant spouse. She would have been able to do what you want done.

    And why would we expect Jill to be able to control Joe when no one else can? That’s ridiculous to even suggest. She’s actually in a worse position than everyone else when it comes to controlling Joe. He’s been doing whatever the heck he pleases from day one. He’s not about to listen to her now.

    Good points, Marci. Looking back then, do you see anything that could have been done to advertise Biden’s dementia? Or would it have been impossible, given the complicity of the media?

    And is there anything that can be done, or are we left with the 25th?

    G-d help us all.

    I think we’re stuck, Susan. Given a divided Congress, don’t hold your breath waiting for the 25th being implemented. It won’t be. I think Biden’s age-related problems were known, but given the Democratic field, he was nominated as being the only one advertising himself as a return to normalcy to a country worn out by the never-ending Trump soap operas. The rest of the Democratic field was just too far out there on the Left, so they went with Biden. Biden turned out to be far out on the left himself – he just goes where the party is, and the Democratic party has shifted Left – but he was able to keep his Leftiness under wraps during the campaign to win.

    And the Democrat party is showing no desire to return to normalcy. Like a drug addict, they are addicted to their hatred and their power.

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  23. Painter Jean Moderator
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    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Biden has been wanting to be President for years, so the desire for him to occupy that position is hardly confined to Mrs. Biden and the Democrats. He’s had an overblown idea of his merits for the duration of his career. For his own health, and the health of the country, it would have been better if Mrs. Biden had been able to persuade her husband against running, but I doubt anyone could have dissuaded him. We don’t know if she tried or if she was on board, so it’s best not to question her motives and mindset when we simply can’t know them. And frankly, I don’t see anything different on the GOP side. Trump is pushing 80 – has Melania tried to stop him from running again? If she has, would he listen?

    There are a few points that I would take issue with, PJ. My criticism of Jill is that she might not have been able to stop him, but she should be active now in having him removed by law. What are her motives now? Regarding Trump, he’s nuts but he’s shown no signs of dementia. When he was in office, he passed the mental tests with flying colors. I don’t want him to run, partly because of his age, but mostly because I don’t think he will be good for the country.

    That does not seem like a fair criticism of Jill, Susan. How does Jill have the ability to remove him by law? That doesn’t rest with her, it rests with Congress implementing the 25th Amendment.

    As for Trump, he might be OK now (though I think a case could be made that he’s slipped a few cogs, based on his recent actions), but I simply don’t trust that an 80-something is going to stay OK. I’m done with having the elderly in an office that requires a great deal of mental sharpness and flexibility.

    As spouse, she could do what normal people do when dealing with aging family members.

    None of us who have had aging family members had Kamala Harris waiting to take over our affairs.

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  24. Painter Jean Moderator
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    @PainterJean

    Red Herring (View Comment):

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    I don’t think a healthy marriage is about controlling the other spouse.

    And in Jill’s case, it wouldn’t be possible anyway. What Trump and Biden have in common is their domineering personality. In marriages in which one person has an extreme personality like that, authority is really lopsided. Melania and Jill can’t control these guys. That’s not an element in their relationship. They have a supportive role so when something bad happens, they are friend and consoler. Frankly, that’s as it should be. You don’t want the person who causes the harm in the first place to be the only person left in the room to give comfort.

    My grandparents had the opposite relationship. My grandmother was the dominant spouse. She would have been able to do what you want done.

    And why would we expect Jill to be able to control Joe when no one else can? That’s ridiculous to even suggest. She’s actually in a worse position than everyone else when it comes to controlling Joe. He’s been doing whatever the heck he pleases from day one. He’s not about to listen to her now.

    Good points, Marci. Looking back then, do you see anything that could have been done to advertise Biden’s dementia? Or would it have been impossible, given the complicity of the media?

    And is there anything that can be done, or are we left with the 25th?

    G-d help us all.

    I think we’re stuck, Susan. Given a divided Congress, don’t hold your breath waiting for the 25th being implemented. It won’t be. I think Biden’s age-related problems were known, but given the Democratic field, he was nominated as being the only one advertising himself as a return to normalcy to a country worn out by the never-ending Trump soap operas. The rest of the Democratic field was just too far out there on the Left, so they went with Biden. Biden turned out to be far out on the left himself – he just goes where the party is, and the Democratic party has shifted Left – but he was able to keep his Leftiness under wraps during the campaign to win.

    And the Democrat party is showing no desire to return to normally. Like a drug addict, they are addicted to their hatred and their power.

    Yeah, not like those on the Right…..sorry, but I have a friend who sends me videos of Steve Bannon’s show, and I see just as much love of power and hatred on display there.

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  25. MWD B612 "Dawg" Member
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    @danok1

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MWD B612 "Dawg" (View Comment):

    Susan Quinn: People seem to think there are enough guard rails to make sure that he doesn’t “hurt” himself or others. The military, his staff and other agencies seem unified in their determination to cover for him and make sure that the dangers are limited. They hold the reins tightly enough to keep him under control and make sure that he makes no decisions that could be catastrophic.

    I agree that * needs to go, but I have a real issue with what you wrote here. If this is actually what’s going on (and I suspect it is, because we saw Gen. Milley undermine and commit insubordination under Trump), it’s a real problem. If someone in an Administration can no longer follow the orders and directives of the POTUS, that person either needs to resign and make clear why, or work with others in the Administration to remove the POTUS as law provides.

    So what is your issue? Did I say something that contradicts your point? Clearly Milley was wrong under Trump and he’s wrong now. I agree he should resign or see that POTUS is removed under the law. I didn’t say insubordination was acceptable.

    Sorry Susan, it sounded as if you approved. I apologize.

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  26. Painter Jean Moderator
    Painter Jean
    @PainterJean

    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    Red Herring (View Comment):
    She could be honest.

    That is the missing piece of the puzzle. She was willing to protest when she wasn’t called “Dr.” Did she have the courage to tell him the truth?

    I’m no fan of Jill Biden. But I simply don’t want to criticize anyone based on information that I don’t possess. I don’t know – and you don’t know – what Jill Biden has or has not done in regards to her husband. Maybe she thinks he’ll be fine. Maybe she thinks if anything can be done, it should be done by Congress. Maybe she’s in denial and unable to see what others do see. The point is, we don’t know. 

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  27. MarciN Member
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    Susan Quinn (View Comment):

    MarciN (View Comment):

    I don’t think a healthy marriage is about controlling the other spouse.

    And in Jill’s case, it wouldn’t be possible anyway. What Trump and Biden have in common is their domineering personality. In marriages in which one person has an extreme personality like that, authority is really lopsided. Melania and Jill can’t control these guys. That’s not an element in their relationship. They have a supportive role so when something bad happens, they are friend and consoler. Frankly, that’s as it should be. You don’t want the person who causes the harm in the first place to be the only person left in the room to give comfort.

    My grandparents had the opposite relationship. My grandmother was the dominant spouse. She would have been able to do what you want done.

    And why would we expect Jill to be able to control Joe when no one else can? That’s ridiculous to even suggest. She’s actually in a worse position than everyone else when it comes to controlling Joe. He’s been doing whatever the heck he pleases from day one. He’s not about to listen to her now.

    Good points, Marci. Looking back then, do you see anything that could have been done to advertise Biden’s dementia? Or would it have been impossible, given the complicity of the media?

    And is there anything that can be done, or are we left with the 25th?

    G-d help us all.

    Joe’s future is in the hands of his doctors at this point. As it should be, I think. 

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  28. Red Herring Coolidge
    Red Herring
    @EHerring

    Painter Jean (View Comment):

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    Painter Jean (View Comment):

    Biden has been wanting to be President for years, so the desire for him to occupy that position is hardly confined to Mrs. Biden and the Democrats. He’s had an overblown idea of his merits for the duration of his career. For his own health, and the health of the country, it would have been better if Mrs. Biden had been able to persuade her husband against running, but I doubt anyone could have dissuaded him. We don’t know if she tried or if she was on board, so it’s best not to question her motives and mindset when we simply can’t know them. And frankly, I don’t see anything different on the GOP side. Trump is pushing 80 – has Melania tried to stop him from running again? If she has, would he listen?

    There are a few points that I would take issue with, PJ. My criticism of Jill is that she might not have been able to stop him, but she should be active now in having him removed by law. What are her motives now? Regarding Trump, he’s nuts but he’s shown no signs of dementia. When he was in office, he passed the mental tests with flying colors. I don’t want him to run, partly because of his age, but mostly because I don’t think he will be good for the country.

    That does not seem like a fair criticism of Jill, Susan. How does Jill have the ability to remove him by law? That doesn’t rest with her, it rests with Congress implementing the 25th Amendment.

    As for Trump, he might be OK now (though I think a case could be made that he’s slipped a few cogs, based on his recent actions), but I simply don’t trust that an 80-something is going to stay OK. I’m done with having the elderly in an office that requires a great deal of mental sharpness and flexibility.

    As spouse, she could do what normal people do when dealing with aging family members.

    None of us who have had aging family members had Kamala Harris waiting to take over our affairs.

    Irrelevant to a decision to get a medical determination

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  29. MarciN Member
    MarciN
    @MarciN

    I don’t think it would matter which leader took the reins. All of the Democratic Party leaders think and work in lockstep. It wouldn’t matter who was in there: the debt is going to continue to grow, the climate change activists are going to ruin our lives, and everyone will live in fear of the woke Reign of Terror Committee of Public Safety.

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  30. namlliT noD Member
    namlliT noD
    @DonTillman

    Susan Quinn: What does it say about this country that we would allow a demented senior citizen to be in charge of an entire nation?

    Obviously, he’s not in charge.

    And the nation is being run by a select group of unelected Democrat party insiders.  Likely Susan Rice or others from the Obama administration.

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